I accept what I related was "hearsay", he did say it and I did hear it. When did the Auxiliaries arrive in Carlow? Were the tans ever there? Were the RIC armed or were only the Auxiliaries ? If all were armed during this period were the RIC armed prior to the troubles ? One last question, is there any record of a civilian shot near the railway bridge on staplestown road? PD On 27 April 2012 09:14, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > there are no reports in the Nationalist or other sources of a raid on > Fitzpatrick's Pub during this period, certainly the premises was not > ever destroyed by fire. > The second incident, shooting and burying Black and Tans, never happened. > The only British constable / soldier / auxiliary man shot in the vicinity > of the Mall was James Duffy. > I

This is on the Carlow site and Turtle Bunbury site, 30th April: Died Owen Rice, aged 26 years, Factory Hand, Staplestown Road, Carlow. Shot by Crown Forces. (Transcribed by Mary Corcoran - unusual entries in Carlow Cathedral Death Register). An employee of the Carlow Boot Factory and 'practically the only support of his mother', he was shot about 20 or 30 yards from his own front door on Staplestown Road. His death occurred on a Saturday evening when 'a large number of young men were as usual engaged in a game of pitch and toss in a place known as the Sandpit, in a rather populous district. Naturally when the shooting began the crowds ran in all directions and the wonder is more tragedies did not happen. Naturally when the shooting began the crowds ran in all directions and the wonder is more tragedies did not happen.' 'Michael Byrne , ex-soldier, who said he had fought in France, Salouika, Macedonia, Palestine, Sudan, etc., deposed that he was a relation of the deceased. He came home on the night in question about 20 minutes to ten, as he had been at the Comrades of the Great War Club. He asked the officer to let him do something for Rice who was lying on the ground. The officer refused.' Owen Rice's funeral was marked by the closure of all business establishments and factories in the town from 8:30 until 4pm. 'Included in the thousands that marched in the procession were more than twelve hundred members of the Carlow Sacred Heart Sodality of which Owen was an exemplary and devoted member. The Banners of the Sodality formed an imposing feature of the cortege, and many people in the procession could not conceal their emotion as the coffin was borne past his mother's lonely door.' (PPP)  As a side note the death of Owen cause rife between Curran's of Granby Row the Rice's of Stapletowns Road. The Curran's of Granby Row are related to me via my Granfather,. The Curran's disowned one of theirs (a William Curran)  due to him been in the Army and at the Comrades of the Great War Club on the night of Owens death.To make matters worse William Curran's Sister was married to Owen's Cousin and closed ranks with her Rice in-laws.  ________________________________ From: CARLOMAN2 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2012, 5:47 Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] James Duffy 1891- 1921. I accept what I related was "hearsay", he did say it and I did hear it. When did the Auxiliaries arrive in Carlow? Were the tans ever there? Were the RIC armed or were only the Auxiliaries ? If all were armed during this period were the RIC armed prior to the troubles ? One last question, is there any record of a civilian shot near the railway bridge on staplestown road? PD On 27 April 2012 09:14, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > there are no reports in the Nationalist or other sources of a raid on > Fitzpatrick's Pub during this period, certainly the premises was not > ever destroyed by fire. >  The second incident, shooting and burying Black and Tans,  never happened. > The only British constable / soldier / auxiliary man shot in the vicinity > of the Mall was James Duffy. > I ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message