Greetings to all Listers! As some of you may know I have several pictures of Co. Carlow tombstones at my website (see http://www.nolanfamilies.org/gallery/index.php?cat=16 for Memorials section), predominantly for deceased Nolans. I have now recently received a request from a relative to remove a particular tombstone picture. The question therefore arises as to the legality and practice of posting pictures of tombstones to the Internet. I did a Google search in the hope of finding some guidance as to what the current practice/law might be for Co. Carlow but I could only find someting for Canada and the United States (see text at end of this note). In essence, the guidance offered states that “there is no legal requirement that a family consent” but that one should “pull a photo, if requested”. Of the tombstones photographed, many were weathered and hard to decipher. It would be a shame to limit the dissemination of such information , let alone the memory of those deceased, to only those able to visit the cemetery in person. I would appreciate any comments as regards accepted practice or legal requirements *** in Co. CARLOW *** for photographing tombstones and posting pictures of them to the Internet. Thank You all, Roger http://nolanfamilies.org ************************************************************** Reference: LEGAL OPINION for Canada and the United States ************************************************************** Excerpt from Blog posting at http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/10/22/cemetery-photos-permission-required/ Judy G. Russell says: October 22, 2012 at 10:41 am Russ, there’s no legal requirement that a family consent to having its loved one’s tombstone photo placed online. It’s not an invasion of privacy, though people often think it is. However, if the family truly objects, I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t agree to take the image down as a matter of courtesy. You can still supply the image to any family member who wants it while not offending those who are deeply troubled by having such information online. This whole business of having so much information available online is new to us all, and while the law is pretty clear, the protocols and courtesies involved are still developing, and I think we all need to be mindful that many people are truly unhappy with what they perceive as a loss of privacy in this online world and as a discourtesy to living and dead alike. Reply -------- Russ Worthington says: October 22, 2012 at 7:17 pm Judy, Thank you very much. I was hoping that was your answer. I certainly would pull a photo, if requested and I have even sent my photos to family when requested. I have also found some relationship’s in Find-A-Grave that may not be clear in other online repositories. A couple of Obituaries as well, they point to the actual newspaper for that obituary. Thank you, Russ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tombstones are memorials for viewing......Families can spend fortunes for that purpose to honor their loved ones. I never would have had the opportunity to see my family grave site if it wasn't for efforts like yours....Thank you ________________________________ From: Roger Nowlan <RNowlan@primus.ca> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:33 AM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? Greetings to all Listers! As some of you may know I have several pictures of Co. Carlow tombstones at my website (see http://www.nolanfamilies.org/gallery/index.php?cat=16 for Memorials section), predominantly for deceased Nolans. I have now recently received a request from a relative to remove a particular tombstone picture. The question therefore arises as to the legality and practice of posting pictures of tombstones to the Internet.  I did a Google search in the hope of finding some guidance as to what the current practice/law might be for Co. Carlow but I could only find someting for Canada and the United States (see text at end of this note).  In essence, the guidance offered states that “there is no legal requirement that a family consent” but that one should “pull a photo, if requested”. Of the tombstones photographed, many were weathered and hard to decipher.  It would be a shame to limit the dissemination of such information , let alone the memory of those deceased, to only those able to visit the cemetery in person. I would appreciate any comments as regards accepted practice or legal requirements *** in Co. CARLOW *** for photographing tombstones and posting pictures of them to the Internet. Thank You all, Roger http://nolanfamilies.org ************************************************************** Reference: LEGAL OPINION for Canada and the United States ************************************************************** Excerpt from Blog posting at http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/10/22/cemetery-photos-permission-required/ Judy G. Russell says: October 22, 2012 at 10:41 am Russ, there’s no legal requirement that a family consent to having its loved one’s tombstone photo placed online. It’s not an invasion of privacy, though people often think it is. However, if the family truly objects, I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t agree to take the image down as a matter of courtesy. You can still supply the image to any family member who wants it while not offending those who are deeply troubled by having such information online. This whole business of having so much information available online is new to us all, and while the law is pretty clear, the protocols and courtesies involved are still developing, and I think we all need to be mindful that many people are truly unhappy with what they perceive as a loss of privacy in this online world and as a discourtesy to living and dead alike. Reply -------- Russ Worthington says: October 22, 2012 at 7:17 pm Judy, Thank you very much. I was hoping that was your answer. I certainly would pull a photo, if requested and I have even sent my photos to family when requested. I have also found some relationship’s in Find-A-Grave that may not be clear in other online repositories. A couple of Obituaries as well, they point to the actual newspaper for that obituary. Thank you, Russ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roger,     I just received some photos from Ireland of my ancestor's tombstone and I'm thrilled. I'm very grateful to persons like yourself, what you do is so kind. I might never get to see these tombstones otherwise.  I would say keep the pictures online.          However, you don't say if the stone is marking the grave of a recently deceased person.  Is this a grieving relative who made the request? If so I'd consider removing it temporarily.   Regards,  Ellen >________________________________ > From: Roger Nowlan <RNowlan@primus.ca> >To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:33 AM >Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > >Greetings to all Listers! > >As some of you may know I have several pictures of Co. Carlow tombstones at my website >(see http://www.nolanfamilies.org/gallery/index.php?cat=16 for Memorials section), predominantly for deceased Nolans. > >I have now recently received a request from a relative to remove a particular tombstone picture. >The question therefore arises as to the legality and practice of posting pictures of tombstones to the Internet.  > >I did a Google search in the hope of finding some guidance as to what the current practice/law might be for Co. Carlow but I could only find someting for Canada and the United States (see text at end of this note).  In essence, the guidance offered states that “there is no legal requirement that a family consent” but that one should “pull a photo, if requested”. > >Of the tombstones photographed, many were weathered and hard to decipher.  It would be a shame to limit the dissemination of such information , let alone the memory of those deceased, to only those able to visit the cemetery in person. > >I would appreciate any comments as regards accepted practice or legal requirements >*** in Co. CARLOW *** >for photographing tombstones and posting pictures of them to the Internet. > >Thank You all, > >Roger > >http://nolanfamilies.org > > >************************************************************** >Reference: LEGAL OPINION for Canada and the United States >************************************************************** >Excerpt from Blog posting at >http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/10/22/cemetery-photos-permission-required/ > >Judy G. Russell says: >October 22, 2012 at 10:41 am >Russ, there’s no legal requirement that a family consent to having its loved one’s tombstone photo placed online. It’s not an invasion of privacy, though people often think it is. However, if the family truly objects, I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t agree to take the image down as a matter of courtesy. You can still supply the image to any family member who wants it while not offending those who are deeply troubled by having such information online. > >This whole business of having so much information available online is new to us all, and while the law is pretty clear, the protocols and courtesies involved are still developing, and I think we all need to be mindful that many people are truly unhappy with what they perceive as a loss of privacy in this online world and as a discourtesy to living and dead alike. > >Reply >-------- >Russ Worthington says: >October 22, 2012 at 7:17 pm >Judy, > >Thank you very much. > >I was hoping that was your answer. > >I certainly would pull a photo, if requested and I have even sent my photos to family when requested. > >I have also found some relationship’s in Find-A-Grave that may not be clear in other online repositories. A couple of Obituaries as well, they point to the actual newspaper for that obituary. > >Thank you, > >Russ > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Just my own opinion, however I think the person requesting the photo being removed is carrying things a bit too far. The headstone can be seen if anyone wishes to go to the cemetery in person and take a photo of it, so I don't understand the need to remove it. For family members now and in the future that do not have the option of seeing it in person, if they live remotely, they will not have the opportunity to discover more about their ancestor. Having a note left on your site with the information when there is a photo of their family member's headstone to go with it would be disappointing to the researcher. I would think of a likeable persuasive, firm response against removing the headstone. Tanya -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Nowlan Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:33 AM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? Greetings to all Listers! As some of you may know I have several pictures of Co. Carlow tombstones at my website (see http://www.nolanfamilies.org/gallery/index.php?cat=16 for Memorials section), predominantly for deceased Nolans. I have now recently received a request from a relative to remove a particular tombstone picture. The question therefore arises as to the legality and practice of posting pictures of tombstones to the Internet. I did a Google search in the hope of finding some guidance as to what the current practice/law might be for Co. Carlow but I could only find someting for Canada and the United States (see text at end of this note). In essence, the guidance offered states that “there is no legal requirement that a family consent” but that one should “pull a photo, if requested”. Of the tombstones photographed, many were weathered and hard to decipher. It would be a shame to limit the dissemination of such information , let alone the memory of those deceased, to only those able to visit the cemetery in person. I would appreciate any comments as regards accepted practice or legal requirements *** in Co. CARLOW *** for photographing tombstones and posting pictures of them to the Internet. Thank You all, Roger http://nolanfamilies.org ************************************************************** Reference: LEGAL OPINION for Canada and the United States ************************************************************** Excerpt from Blog posting at http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/10/22/cemetery-photos-permission-required/ Judy G. Russell says: October 22, 2012 at 10:41 am Russ, there’s no legal requirement that a family consent to having its loved one’s tombstone photo placed online. It’s not an invasion of privacy, though people often think it is. However, if the family truly objects, I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t agree to take the image down as a matter of courtesy. You can still supply the image to any family member who wants it while not offending those who are deeply troubled by having such information online. This whole business of having so much information available online is new to us all, and while the law is pretty clear, the protocols and courtesies involved are still developing, and I think we all need to be mindful that many people are truly unhappy with what they perceive as a loss of privacy in this online world and as a discourtesy to living and dead alike. Reply -------- Russ Worthington says: October 22, 2012 at 7:17 pm Judy, Thank you very much. I was hoping that was your answer. I certainly would pull a photo, if requested and I have even sent my photos to family when requested. I have also found some relationship’s in Find-A-Grave that may not be clear in other online repositories. A couple of Obituaries as well, they point to the actual newspaper for that obituary. Thank you, Russ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message