Linda S.: Thanks for that information. I was under the same understanding, that the graveyard was very small. Yes, the one near Adamstown is the one I was talking about! Thanks for sharing what you know! Carol -----Original Message----- From: Linda Sewright <mybrigid272@gmail.com> To: irl-carlow <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 21, 2013 10:09 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Templeshelin query Templeshelin is in County Wexford, near Adamstown, if we're talking about the same one. I visited there last Fall and there are precious few headstones. I'm sure I also looked at this graveyard in Cantwell's "Memorials of the Dead" at the library in Wexford and don't recall an extensive listing. That said, your people might be there, but just wanted you to know the cemetery is not very populated with headstones. ~Linda S. Sent from my iPod Touch On Aug 21, 2013, at 11:26 AM, irl-carlow-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Before you send an email to this List you must first of all subscribe to the List. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Memories of the Dead CD (Roger Nowlan) > 2. Re: Memories of the Dead CD (Tanya Whitaker) > 3. Re: Parish Projects- Books (norwoodcj@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:30:24 -0400 > From: "Roger Nowlan" <RNowlan@primus.ca> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Memories of the Dead CD > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <F1AF71EC8CA147ECABB57E8691A19AF1@Laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Tanya, > > I did a search online and found that B.J. Cantwell's son, Ian, seems to have switched publisher for his dad's collected memorial transcriptions. It is no longer available from Eneclann. Gould Genealogy & History of Australia list it but when you want to order it it says ?not carried?. See http://www.gould.com.au/B-J-Cantwell-s-Memorials-of-the-Dead-p/ene006.htm . > > At $99.50 in Australian dollars the purchase price is significantly higher than what I paid for it some 5-10 years ago. It does, however, contain a lot of information which would not otherwise be available especially on the older tombstones which contain a lot of family relationship information. > > It is a shame that this resource is not currently available and, if you would like to evaluate if this resource might be worth researching further, I could do a limited search for you on a few selected family names to give you an idea of what is there. > > Bye for now, > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tanya Whitaker > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 12:38 PM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Memories of the Dead CD > > Roger, > > Thank you for checking in your CD. > > I went in circles trying to find this CD on Google and would like to > purchase it, however I get nowhere with my searches. I see a book entitled > the same and it is supposed to be available on both Abe Books and Amazon, > however the search leads to incorrect books. > > Do you or anyone on the list know how I can obtain a CD? > > Thanks, > > Tanya > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Nowlan > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:51 AM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Parish Projects- Books > > Tanya, > > For Wicklow and Wexford and a few other miscellaneous gravesites there > exists a document (PDF file on CD) entitled "MEMORIALS OF THE DEAD" > compiled by B. J. Cantwell which should be available from Eneclann (that's > where I obtained the CD). The document was indexed by Eneclann and is > searcheable using an Eneclann-developped "Plug-In" for the PDF reader. > > I did a search for "Fitzpatrick" in the Old Kilmyshal cemetery and found the > following: > > "Here lies the body of > /James Fitzpatrick who > /died Aug 22 1786 agd > /46 also his wife Mar > /Gare(y?) Redmond aged 45 > /yrs." > > Old Templeshanbo is also covered but I could not find mention of any > Fitzpatricks buried there. > > Hope this helps! > > With best regards, > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tanya Whitaker > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:24 PM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Parish Projects- Books > > Wow. I wish there were books of the tombstones of Old Kilmyshal, > Templeshanbo-old, Barragh and Kildavin- old. Kildavin old was plowed under > recently. What a shame. Barragh is difficult to access, Templeshanbo-old > is weedcovered, Old Kilmyshal had difficult to read gravestones. > > A local historian did not indicate to me that there were any books when I > went for a 2 week holiday recently. I visited all of these cemeteries except > for Old Kildavin since it is plowed under and Barragh since no one seemed to > know how to access it and we had limited time. > > I would love to get a hold of books for these cemeteries if someone can > advise please. > > Tanya > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ron medulison > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:54 PM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > Most of the parishes throughout Ireland have carried out projects recording > tombstones , with many of them photographed and the results published in > books with index, pictures, maps and details transcribed from the stones > etc. > >> From: nolanme@verizon.net >> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:42:15 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? >> >> It is all a sticky business...who's to say who the official next of >> kin > is, or if someone is who they sat they are....enough of that. >> >> Would the NLI have any information on this? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Whitaker >> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:43 AM >> To: 'Alice Rumana'; irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? >> >> One more thought,.... this relative that wants the headstone removed >> is > being selfish since with high probability the memorial is for a relative(s) > that is connected to others and not only that person. When this person that > wants the headstone removed dies the headstone will wear away at some point > and not anyone else down the line say one hundred years from now will have > the opportunity to see this memorial as it is now when you took the photo. > I have this scenario occurring now with the photos I took recently in the > local cemeteries in Kildavin, Co Carlow and Bunclody, Co Wexford where some > of the family headstones are difficult to read. Fortunately, I checked our > photo collection and some of these same worn headstones are readable from > the photos my mother took 35 years ago. >> >> Tanya >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alice Rumana >> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:09 AM >> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? >> >> Tombstones are memorials for viewing......Families can spend fortunes >> for that purpose to honor their loved ones. I never would have had the >> opportunity to see my family grave site if it wasn't for efforts like >> yours....Thank you >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Roger Nowlan <RNowlan@primus.ca> >> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:33 AM >> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? >> >> >> Greetings to all Listers! >> >> As some of you may know I have several pictures of Co. Carlow >> tombstones at my website (see > http://www.nolanfamilies.org/gallery/index.php?cat=16 for Memorials > section), predominantly for deceased Nolans. >> >> I have now recently received a request from a relative to remove a > particular tombstone picture. >> The question therefore arises as to the legality and practice of >> posting > pictures of tombstones to the Internet. >> >> I did a Google search in the hope of finding some guidance as to what >> the > current practice/law might be for Co. Carlow but I could only find someting > for Canada and the United States (see text at end of this note). In > essence, the guidance offered states that ?there is no legal requirement > that a family consent? but that one should ?pull a photo, if requested?. >> >> Of the tombstones photographed, many were weathered and hard to decipher. > It would be a shame to limit the dissemination of such information , let > alone the memory of those deceased, to only those able to visit the cemetery > in person. >> >> I would appreciate any comments as regards accepted practice or legal >> requirements >> *** in Co. CARLOW *** >> for photographing tombstones and posting pictures of them to the Internet. >> >> Thank You all, >> >> Roger >> >> http://nolanfamilies.org >> >> >> ************************************************************** >> Reference: LEGAL OPINION for Canada and the United States >> ************************************************************** >> Excerpt from Blog posting at >> http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/10/22/cemetery-photos-permis >> sion-required/ >> >> Judy G. Russell says: >> October 22, 2012 at 10:41 am >> Russ, there?s no legal requirement that a family consent to having its > loved one?s tombstone photo placed online. It?s not an invasion of privacy, > though people often think it is. However, if the family truly objects, I > can?t imagine why you wouldn?t agree to take the image down as a matter of > courtesy. You can still supply the image to any family member who wants it > while not offending those who are deeply troubled by having such information > online. >> >> This whole business of having so much information available online is >> new > to us all, and while the law is pretty clear, the protocols and courtesies > involved are still developing, and I think we all need to be mindful that > many people are truly unhappy with what they perceive as a loss of privacy > in this online world and as a discourtesy to living and dead alike. >> >> Reply >> -------- >> Russ Worthington says: >> October 22, 2012 at 7:17 pm >> Judy, >> >> Thank you very much. >> >> I was hoping that was your answer. >> >> I certainly would pull a photo, if requested and I have even sent my > photos to family when requested. >> >> I have also found some relationship?s in Find-A-Grave that may not be > clear in other online repositories. A couple of Obituaries as well, they > point to the actual newspaper for that obituary. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Russ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:52:38 -0400 > From: "Tanya Whitaker" <tmmw025@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Memories of the Dead CD > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <004501ce9e97$3a2de660$ae89b320$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Hi Brian, > > Is this not the correct CD on Eineclann on the link below? My cousin was > going to purchase it, however I don't want to have him order the wrong one. > > http://www.eneclann.ie/acatalog/Brian_J._Cantwell_s_Memorials_of_the_Dead.ht > ml > > Tanya > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Nowlan > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:30 PM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Memories of the Dead CD > > Tanya, > > I did a search online and found that B.J. Cantwell's son, Ian, seems to have > switched publisher for his dad's collected memorial transcriptions. It is no > longer available from Eneclann. Gould Genealogy & History of Australia list > it but when you want to order it it says ?not carried?. See > http://www.gould.com.au/B-J-Cantwell-s-Memorials-of-the-Dead-p/ene006.htm . > > At $99.50 in Australian dollars the purchase price is significantly higher > than what I paid for it some 5-10 years ago. It does, however, contain a lot > of information which would not otherwise be available especially on the > older tombstones which contain a lot of family relationship information. > > It is a shame that this resource is not currently available and, if you > would like to evaluate if this resource might be worth researching further, > I could do a limited search for you on a few selected family names to give > you an idea of what is there. > > Bye for now, > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tanya Whitaker > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 12:38 PM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Memories of the Dead CD > > Roger, > > Thank you for checking in your CD. > > I went in circles trying to find this CD on Google and would like to > purchase it, however I get nowhere with my searches. I see a book entitled > the same and it is supposed to be available on both Abe Books and Amazon, > however the search leads to incorrect books. > > Do you or anyone on the list know how I can obtain a CD? > > Thanks, > > Tanya > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Nowlan > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:51 AM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Parish Projects- Books > > Tanya, > > For Wicklow and Wexford and a few other miscellaneous gravesites there > exists a document (PDF file on CD) entitled "MEMORIALS OF THE DEAD" > compiled by B. J. Cantwell which should be available from Eneclann (that's > where I obtained the CD). The document was indexed by Eneclann and is > searcheable using an Eneclann-developped "Plug-In" for the PDF reader. > > I did a search for "Fitzpatrick" in the Old Kilmyshal cemetery and found the > following: > > "Here lies the body of > /James Fitzpatrick who > /died Aug 22 1786 agd > /46 also his wife Mar > /Gare(y?) Redmond aged 45 > /yrs." > > Old Templeshanbo is also covered but I could not find mention of any > Fitzpatricks buried there. > > Hope this helps! > > With best regards, > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tanya Whitaker > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:24 PM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Parish Projects- Books > > Wow. I wish there were books of the tombstones of Old Kilmyshal, > Templeshanbo-old, Barragh and Kildavin- old. Kildavin old was plowed under > recently. What a shame. Barragh is difficult to access, Templeshanbo-old > is weedcovered, Old Kilmyshal had difficult to read gravestones. > > A local historian did not indicate to me that there were any books when I > went for a 2 week holiday recently. I visited all of these cemeteries except > for Old Kildavin since it is plowed under and Barragh since no one seemed to > know how to access it and we had limited time. > > I would love to get a hold of books for these cemeteries if someone can > advise please. > > Tanya > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ron medulison > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:54 PM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > Most of the parishes throughout Ireland have carried out projects recording > tombstones , with many of them photographed and the results published in > books with index, pictures, maps and details transcribed from the stones > etc. > >> From: nolanme@verizon.net >> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:42:15 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? >> >> It is all a sticky business...who's to say who the official next of >> kin > is, or if someone is who they sat they are....enough of that. >> >> Would the NLI have any information on this? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Whitaker >> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:43 AM >> To: 'Alice Rumana'; irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? >> >> One more thought,.... this relative that wants the headstone removed >> is > being selfish since with high probability the memorial is for a relative(s) > that is connected to others and not only that person. When this person that > wants the headstone removed dies the headstone will wear away at some point > and not anyone else down the line say one hundred years from now will have > the opportunity to see this memorial as it is now when you took the photo. > I have this scenario occurring now with the photos I took recently in the > local cemeteries in Kildavin, Co Carlow and Bunclody, Co Wexford where some > of the family headstones are difficult to read. Fortunately, I checked our > photo collection and some of these same worn headstones are readable from > the photos my mother took 35 years ago. >> >> Tanya >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alice Rumana >> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:09 AM >> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? >> >> Tombstones are memorials for viewing......Families can spend fortunes >> for that purpose to honor their loved ones. I never would have had the >> opportunity to see my family grave site if it wasn't for efforts like >> yours....Thank you >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Roger Nowlan <RNowlan@primus.ca> >> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:33 AM >> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? >> >> >> Greetings to all Listers! >> >> As some of you may know I have several pictures of Co. Carlow >> tombstones at my website (see > http://www.nolanfamilies.org/gallery/index.php?cat=16 for Memorials > section), predominantly for deceased Nolans. >> >> I have now recently received a request from a relative to remove a > particular tombstone picture. >> The question therefore arises as to the legality and practice of >> posting > pictures of tombstones to the Internet. >> >> I did a Google search in the hope of finding some guidance as to what >> the > current practice/law might be for Co. Carlow but I could only find someting > for Canada and the United States (see text at end of this note). In > essence, the guidance offered states that ?there is no legal requirement > that a family consent? but that one should ?pull a photo, if requested?. >> >> Of the tombstones photographed, many were weathered and hard to decipher. > It would be a shame to limit the dissemination of such information , let > alone the memory of those deceased, to only those able to visit the cemetery > in person. >> >> I would appreciate any comments as regards accepted practice or legal >> requirements >> *** in Co. CARLOW *** >> for photographing tombstones and posting pictures of them to the Internet. >> >> Thank You all, >> >> Roger >> >> http://nolanfamilies.org >> >> >> ************************************************************** >> Reference: LEGAL OPINION for Canada and the United States >> ************************************************************** >> Excerpt from Blog posting at >> http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/10/22/cemetery-photos-permis >> sion-required/ >> >> Judy G. Russell says: >> October 22, 2012 at 10:41 am >> Russ, there?s no legal requirement that a family consent to having its > loved one?s tombstone photo placed online. It?s not an invasion of privacy, > though people often think it is. However, if the family truly objects, I > can?t imagine why you wouldn?t agree to take the image down as a matter of > courtesy. You can still supply the image to any family member who wants it > while not offending those who are deeply troubled by having such information > online. >> >> This whole business of having so much information available online is >> new > to us all, and while the law is pretty clear, the protocols and courtesies > involved are still developing, and I think we all need to be mindful that > many people are truly unhappy with what they perceive as a loss of privacy > in this online world and as a discourtesy to living and dead alike. >> >> Reply >> -------- >> Russ Worthington says: >> October 22, 2012 at 7:17 pm >> Judy, >> >> Thank you very much. >> >> I was hoping that was your answer. >> >> I certainly would pull a photo, if requested and I have even sent my > photos to family when requested. >> >> I have also found some relationship?s in Find-A-Grave that may not be > clear in other online repositories. A couple of Obituaries as well, they > point to the actual newspaper for that obituary. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Russ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 14:26:47 -0400 (EDT) > From: norwoodcj@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Parish Projects- Books > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8D06CB320A3A6F8-E08-5EBE6@webmail-d156.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Is there anything listed for Robert PARSLOW in the Templeshelin Graveyard in County Wicklow? > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-CARLOW list administrator, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 271 > ****************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message