Most of the parishes throughout Ireland have carried out projects recording tombstones , with many of them photographed and the results published in books with index, pictures, maps and details transcribed from the stones etc. > From: nolanme@verizon.net > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:42:15 -0400 > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > It is all a sticky business...who's to say who the official next of kin is, or if someone is who they sat they are....enough of that. > > Would the NLI have any information on this? > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Whitaker > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:43 AM > To: 'Alice Rumana'; irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > One more thought,.... this relative that wants the headstone removed is being selfish since with high probability the memorial is for a relative(s) that is connected to others and not only that person. When this person that wants the headstone removed dies the headstone will wear away at some point and not anyone else down the line say one hundred years from now will have the opportunity to see this memorial as it is now when you took the photo. I have this scenario occurring now with the photos I took recently in the local cemeteries in Kildavin, Co Carlow and Bunclody, Co Wexford where some of the family headstones are difficult to read. Fortunately, I checked our photo collection and some of these same worn headstones are readable from the photos my mother took 35 years ago. > > Tanya > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alice Rumana > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:09 AM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > Tombstones are memorials for viewing......Families can spend fortunes for that purpose to honor their loved ones. I never would have had the opportunity to see my family grave site if it wasn't for efforts like yours....Thank you > > > ________________________________ > From: Roger Nowlan <RNowlan@primus.ca> > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:33 AM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > > Greetings to all Listers! > > As some of you may know I have several pictures of Co. Carlow tombstones at my website > (see http://www.nolanfamilies.org/gallery/index.php?cat=16 for Memorials section), predominantly for deceased Nolans. > > I have now recently received a request from a relative to remove a particular tombstone picture. > The question therefore arises as to the legality and practice of posting pictures of tombstones to the Internet. > > I did a Google search in the hope of finding some guidance as to what the current practice/law might be for Co. Carlow but I could only find someting for Canada and the United States (see text at end of this note). In essence, the guidance offered states that “there is no legal requirement that a family consent” but that one should “pull a photo, if requested”. > > Of the tombstones photographed, many were weathered and hard to decipher. It would be a shame to limit the dissemination of such information , let alone the memory of those deceased, to only those able to visit the cemetery in person. > > I would appreciate any comments as regards accepted practice or legal requirements > *** in Co. CARLOW *** > for photographing tombstones and posting pictures of them to the Internet. > > Thank You all, > > Roger > > http://nolanfamilies.org > > > ************************************************************** > Reference: LEGAL OPINION for Canada and the United States > ************************************************************** > Excerpt from Blog posting at > http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/10/22/cemetery-photos-permission-required/ > > Judy G. Russell says: > October 22, 2012 at 10:41 am > Russ, there’s no legal requirement that a family consent to having its loved one’s tombstone photo placed online. It’s not an invasion of privacy, though people often think it is. However, if the family truly objects, I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t agree to take the image down as a matter of courtesy. You can still supply the image to any family member who wants it while not offending those who are deeply troubled by having such information online. > > This whole business of having so much information available online is new to us all, and while the law is pretty clear, the protocols and courtesies involved are still developing, and I think we all need to be mindful that many people are truly unhappy with what they perceive as a loss of privacy in this online world and as a discourtesy to living and dead alike. > > Reply > -------- > Russ Worthington says: > October 22, 2012 at 7:17 pm > Judy, > > Thank you very much. > > I was hoping that was your answer. > > I certainly would pull a photo, if requested and I have even sent my photos to family when requested. > > I have also found some relationship’s in Find-A-Grave that may not be clear in other online repositories. A couple of Obituaries as well, they point to the actual newspaper for that obituary. > > Thank you, > > Russ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank You Ron, I think that we have exhausted this topic and am going with the legal opinion expressed in my original Email, that is: * “There is no legal requirement that a family consent” but one should “pull a photo, if requested”. Based upon my current experience I believe that this is the least disruptive and, in the end, the best long-term strategy i.e. gaining the confidence of people as opposed to creating enemies. The person requesting the removal was only concerned about one picture and hence the impact is minimal. Besides, for the tombstone in question, I am quite certain that the information was also published in an obituary. Bye for now, Roger -----Original Message----- From: ron medulison Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:53 PM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? Most of the parishes throughout Ireland have carried out projects recording tombstones , with many of them photographed and the results published in books with index, pictures, maps and details transcribed from the stones etc. > From: nolanme@verizon.net > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:42:15 -0400 > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > It is all a sticky business...who's to say who the official next of kin > is, or if someone is who they sat they are....enough of that. > > Would the NLI have any information on this? > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Whitaker > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:43 AM > To: 'Alice Rumana'; irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > One more thought,.... this relative that wants the headstone removed is > being selfish since with high probability the memorial is for a > relative(s) that is connected to others and not only that person. When > this person that wants the headstone removed dies the headstone will wear > away at some point and not anyone else down the line say one hundred years > from now will have the opportunity to see this memorial as it is now when > you took the photo. I have this scenario occurring now with the photos I > took recently in the local cemeteries in Kildavin, Co Carlow and Bunclody, > Co Wexford where some of the family headstones are difficult to read. > Fortunately, I checked our photo collection and some of these same worn > headstones are readable from the photos my mother took 35 years ago. > > Tanya > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alice Rumana > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:09 AM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > Tombstones are memorials for viewing......Families can spend fortunes for > that purpose to honor their loved ones. I never would have had the > opportunity to see my family grave site if it wasn't for efforts like > yours....Thank you > > > ________________________________ > From: Roger Nowlan <RNowlan@primus.ca> > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:33 AM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > > Greetings to all Listers! > > As some of you may know I have several pictures of Co. Carlow tombstones > at my website > (see http://www.nolanfamilies.org/gallery/index.php?cat=16 for Memorials > section), predominantly for deceased Nolans. > > I have now recently received a request from a relative to remove a > particular tombstone picture. > The question therefore arises as to the legality and practice of posting > pictures of tombstones to the Internet. > > I did a Google search in the hope of finding some guidance as to what the > current practice/law might be for Co. Carlow but I could only find > someting for Canada and the United States (see text at end of this note). > In essence, the guidance offered states that “there is no legal > requirement that a family consent” but that one should “pull a photo, if > requested”. > > Of the tombstones photographed, many were weathered and hard to decipher. > It would be a shame to limit the dissemination of such information , let > alone the memory of those deceased, to only those able to visit the > cemetery in person. > > I would appreciate any comments as regards accepted practice or legal > requirements > *** in Co. CARLOW *** > for photographing tombstones and posting pictures of them to the Internet. > > Thank You all, > > Roger > > http://nolanfamilies.org > > > ************************************************************** > Reference: LEGAL OPINION for Canada and the United States > ************************************************************** > Excerpt from Blog posting at > http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/10/22/cemetery-photos-permission-required/ > > Judy G. Russell says: > October 22, 2012 at 10:41 am > Russ, there’s no legal requirement that a family consent to having its > loved one’s tombstone photo placed online. It’s not an invasion of > privacy, though people often think it is. However, if the family truly > objects, I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t agree to take the image down as > a matter of courtesy. You can still supply the image to any family member > who wants it while not offending those who are deeply troubled by having > such information online. > > This whole business of having so much information available online is new > to us all, and while the law is pretty clear, the protocols and courtesies > involved are still developing, and I think we all need to be mindful that > many people are truly unhappy with what they perceive as a loss of privacy > in this online world and as a discourtesy to living and dead alike. > > Reply > -------- > Russ Worthington says: > October 22, 2012 at 7:17 pm > Judy, > > Thank you very much. > > I was hoping that was your answer. > > I certainly would pull a photo, if requested and I have even sent my > photos to family when requested. > > I have also found some relationship’s in Find-A-Grave that may not be > clear in other online repositories. A couple of Obituaries as well, they > point to the actual newspaper for that obituary. > > Thank you, > > Russ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Roger, Just one question: Are there details on the headstone of a very recent death? J. J. On 20 August 2013 22:13, Roger Nowlan <RNowlan@primus.ca> wrote: > Thank You Ron, > > I think that we have exhausted this topic and am going with the legal > opinion expressed in my original Email, that is: > > * “There is no legal requirement that a family consent” > but one should “pull a photo, if requested”. > > Based upon my current experience I believe that this is the least > disruptive > and, in the end, the best long-term strategy i.e. gaining the confidence of > people as opposed to creating enemies. The person requesting the removal > was only concerned about one picture and hence the impact is minimal. > Besides, for the tombstone in question, I am quite certain that the > information was also published in an obituary. > > Bye for now, > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: ron medulison > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:53 PM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > Most of the parishes throughout Ireland have carried out projects recording > tombstones , with many of them photographed and the results published in > books with index, pictures, maps and details transcribed from the stones > etc. > > > From: nolanme@verizon.net > > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:42:15 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > > > It is all a sticky business...who's to say who the official next of kin > > is, or if someone is who they sat they are....enough of that. > > > > Would the NLI have any information on this? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Whitaker > > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:43 AM > > To: 'Alice Rumana'; irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > > > One more thought,.... this relative that wants the headstone removed is > > being selfish since with high probability the memorial is for a > > relative(s) that is connected to others and not only that person. When > > this person that wants the headstone removed dies the headstone will wear > > away at some point and not anyone else down the line say one hundred > years > > from now will have the opportunity to see this memorial as it is now when > > you took the photo. I have this scenario occurring now with the photos I > > took recently in the local cemeteries in Kildavin, Co Carlow and > Bunclody, > > Co Wexford where some of the family headstones are difficult to read. > > Fortunately, I checked our photo collection and some of these same worn > > headstones are readable from the photos my mother took 35 years ago. > > > > Tanya > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alice Rumana > > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:09 AM > > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > > > Tombstones are memorials for viewing......Families can spend fortunes for > > that purpose to honor their loved ones. I never would have had the > > opportunity to see my family grave site if it wasn't for efforts like > > yours....Thank you > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Roger Nowlan <RNowlan@primus.ca> > > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:33 AM > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > > > > > Greetings to all Listers! > > > > As some of you may know I have several pictures of Co. Carlow tombstones > > at my website > > (see http://www.nolanfamilies.org/gallery/index.php?cat=16 for Memorials > > section), predominantly for deceased Nolans. > > > > I have now recently received a request from a relative to remove a > > particular tombstone picture. > > The question therefore arises as to the legality and practice of posting > > pictures of tombstones to the Internet. > > > > I did a Google search in the hope of finding some guidance as to what the > > current practice/law might be for Co. Carlow but I could only find > > someting for Canada and the United States (see text at end of this note). > > In essence, the guidance offered states that “there is no legal > > requirement that a family consent” but that one should “pull a photo, if > > requested”. > > > > Of the tombstones photographed, many were weathered and hard to decipher. > > It would be a shame to limit the dissemination of such information , let > > alone the memory of those deceased, to only those able to visit the > > cemetery in person. > > > > I would appreciate any comments as regards accepted practice or legal > > requirements > > *** in Co. CARLOW *** > > for photographing tombstones and posting pictures of them to the > Internet. > > > > Thank You all, > > > > Roger > > > > http://nolanfamilies.org > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > Reference: LEGAL OPINION for Canada and the United States > > ************************************************************** > > Excerpt from Blog posting at > > > http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/10/22/cemetery-photos-permission-required/ > > > > Judy G. Russell says: > > October 22, 2012 at 10:41 am > > Russ, there’s no legal requirement that a family consent to having its > > loved one’s tombstone photo placed online. It’s not an invasion of > > privacy, though people often think it is. However, if the family truly > > objects, I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t agree to take the image down as > > a matter of courtesy. You can still supply the image to any family member > > who wants it while not offending those who are deeply troubled by having > > such information online. > > > > This whole business of having so much information available online is new > > to us all, and while the law is pretty clear, the protocols and > courtesies > > involved are still developing, and I think we all need to be mindful that > > many people are truly unhappy with what they perceive as a loss of > privacy > > in this online world and as a discourtesy to living and dead alike. > > > > Reply > > -------- > > Russ Worthington says: > > October 22, 2012 at 7:17 pm > > Judy, > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > I was hoping that was your answer. > > > > I certainly would pull a photo, if requested and I have even sent my > > photos to family when requested. > > > > I have also found some relationship’s in Find-A-Grave that may not be > > clear in other online repositories. A couple of Obituaries as well, they > > point to the actual newspaper for that obituary. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Russ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wow. I wish there were books of the tombstones of Old Kilmyshal, Templeshanbo-old, Barragh and Kildavin- old. Kildavin old was plowed under recently. What a shame. Barragh is difficult to access, Templeshanbo-old is weedcovered, Old Kilmyshal had difficult to read gravestones. A local historian did not indicate to me that there were any books when I went for a 2 week holiday recently. I visited all of these cemeteries except for Old Kildavin since it is plowed under and Barragh since no one seemed to know how to access it and we had limited time. I would love to get a hold of books for these cemeteries if someone can advise please. Tanya -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ron medulison Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:54 PM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? Most of the parishes throughout Ireland have carried out projects recording tombstones , with many of them photographed and the results published in books with index, pictures, maps and details transcribed from the stones etc. > From: nolanme@verizon.net > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:42:15 -0400 > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > It is all a sticky business...who's to say who the official next of kin is, or if someone is who they sat they are....enough of that. > > Would the NLI have any information on this? > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Whitaker > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:43 AM > To: 'Alice Rumana'; irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > One more thought,.... this relative that wants the headstone removed is being selfish since with high probability the memorial is for a relative(s) that is connected to others and not only that person. When this person that wants the headstone removed dies the headstone will wear away at some point and not anyone else down the line say one hundred years from now will have the opportunity to see this memorial as it is now when you took the photo. I have this scenario occurring now with the photos I took recently in the local cemeteries in Kildavin, Co Carlow and Bunclody, Co Wexford where some of the family headstones are difficult to read. Fortunately, I checked our photo collection and some of these same worn headstones are readable from the photos my mother took 35 years ago. > > Tanya > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alice Rumana > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:09 AM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > Tombstones are memorials for viewing......Families can spend fortunes > for that purpose to honor their loved ones. I never would have had the > opportunity to see my family grave site if it wasn't for efforts like > yours....Thank you > > > ________________________________ > From: Roger Nowlan <RNowlan@primus.ca> > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:33 AM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > > Greetings to all Listers! > > As some of you may know I have several pictures of Co. Carlow > tombstones at my website (see http://www.nolanfamilies.org/gallery/index.php?cat=16 for Memorials section), predominantly for deceased Nolans. > > I have now recently received a request from a relative to remove a particular tombstone picture. > The question therefore arises as to the legality and practice of posting pictures of tombstones to the Internet. > > I did a Google search in the hope of finding some guidance as to what the current practice/law might be for Co. Carlow but I could only find someting for Canada and the United States (see text at end of this note). In essence, the guidance offered states that “there is no legal requirement that a family consent” but that one should “pull a photo, if requested”. > > Of the tombstones photographed, many were weathered and hard to decipher. It would be a shame to limit the dissemination of such information , let alone the memory of those deceased, to only those able to visit the cemetery in person. > > I would appreciate any comments as regards accepted practice or legal > requirements > *** in Co. CARLOW *** > for photographing tombstones and posting pictures of them to the Internet. > > Thank You all, > > Roger > > http://nolanfamilies.org > > > ************************************************************** > Reference: LEGAL OPINION for Canada and the United States > ************************************************************** > Excerpt from Blog posting at > http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/10/22/cemetery-photos-permis > sion-required/ > > Judy G. Russell says: > October 22, 2012 at 10:41 am > Russ, there’s no legal requirement that a family consent to having its loved one’s tombstone photo placed online. It’s not an invasion of privacy, though people often think it is. However, if the family truly objects, I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t agree to take the image down as a matter of courtesy. You can still supply the image to any family member who wants it while not offending those who are deeply troubled by having such information online. > > This whole business of having so much information available online is new to us all, and while the law is pretty clear, the protocols and courtesies involved are still developing, and I think we all need to be mindful that many people are truly unhappy with what they perceive as a loss of privacy in this online world and as a discourtesy to living and dead alike. > > Reply > -------- > Russ Worthington says: > October 22, 2012 at 7:17 pm > Judy, > > Thank you very much. > > I was hoping that was your answer. > > I certainly would pull a photo, if requested and I have even sent my photos to family when requested. > > I have also found some relationship’s in Find-A-Grave that may not be clear in other online repositories. A couple of Obituaries as well, they point to the actual newspaper for that obituary. > > Thank you, > > Russ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tanya, For Wicklow and Wexford and a few other miscellaneous gravesites there exists a document (PDF file on CD) entitled "MEMORIALS OF THE DEAD" compiled by B. J. Cantwell which should be available from Eneclann (that's where I obtained the CD). The document was indexed by Eneclann and is searcheable using an Eneclann-developped "Plug-In" for the PDF reader. I did a search for "Fitzpatrick" in the Old Kilmyshal cemetery and found the following: "Here lies the body of /James Fitzpatrick who /died Aug 22 1786 agd /46 also his wife Mar /Gare(y?) Redmond aged 45 /yrs." Old Templeshanbo is also covered but I could not find mention of any Fitzpatricks buried there. Hope this helps! With best regards, Roger -----Original Message----- From: Tanya Whitaker Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:24 PM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Parish Projects- Books Wow. I wish there were books of the tombstones of Old Kilmyshal, Templeshanbo-old, Barragh and Kildavin- old. Kildavin old was plowed under recently. What a shame. Barragh is difficult to access, Templeshanbo-old is weedcovered, Old Kilmyshal had difficult to read gravestones. A local historian did not indicate to me that there were any books when I went for a 2 week holiday recently. I visited all of these cemeteries except for Old Kildavin since it is plowed under and Barragh since no one seemed to know how to access it and we had limited time. I would love to get a hold of books for these cemeteries if someone can advise please. Tanya -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ron medulison Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:54 PM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? Most of the parishes throughout Ireland have carried out projects recording tombstones , with many of them photographed and the results published in books with index, pictures, maps and details transcribed from the stones etc. > From: nolanme@verizon.net > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:42:15 -0400 > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > It is all a sticky business...who's to say who the official next of kin is, or if someone is who they sat they are....enough of that. > > Would the NLI have any information on this? > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Whitaker > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:43 AM > To: 'Alice Rumana'; irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > One more thought,.... this relative that wants the headstone removed is being selfish since with high probability the memorial is for a relative(s) that is connected to others and not only that person. When this person that wants the headstone removed dies the headstone will wear away at some point and not anyone else down the line say one hundred years from now will have the opportunity to see this memorial as it is now when you took the photo. I have this scenario occurring now with the photos I took recently in the local cemeteries in Kildavin, Co Carlow and Bunclody, Co Wexford where some of the family headstones are difficult to read. Fortunately, I checked our photo collection and some of these same worn headstones are readable from the photos my mother took 35 years ago. > > Tanya > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alice Rumana > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:09 AM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > Tombstones are memorials for viewing......Families can spend fortunes > for that purpose to honor their loved ones. I never would have had the > opportunity to see my family grave site if it wasn't for efforts like > yours....Thank you > > > ________________________________ > From: Roger Nowlan <RNowlan@primus.ca> > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:33 AM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Cemetery photos: permission required? > > > Greetings to all Listers! > > As some of you may know I have several pictures of Co. Carlow > tombstones at my website (see http://www.nolanfamilies.org/gallery/index.php?cat=16 for Memorials section), predominantly for deceased Nolans. > > I have now recently received a request from a relative to remove a particular tombstone picture. > The question therefore arises as to the legality and practice of posting pictures of tombstones to the Internet. > > I did a Google search in the hope of finding some guidance as to what the current practice/law might be for Co. Carlow but I could only find someting for Canada and the United States (see text at end of this note). In essence, the guidance offered states that “there is no legal requirement that a family consent” but that one should “pull a photo, if requested”. > > Of the tombstones photographed, many were weathered and hard to decipher. It would be a shame to limit the dissemination of such information , let alone the memory of those deceased, to only those able to visit the cemetery in person. > > I would appreciate any comments as regards accepted practice or legal > requirements > *** in Co. CARLOW *** > for photographing tombstones and posting pictures of them to the Internet. > > Thank You all, > > Roger > > http://nolanfamilies.org > > > ************************************************************** > Reference: LEGAL OPINION for Canada and the United States > ************************************************************** > Excerpt from Blog posting at > http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/10/22/cemetery-photos-permis > sion-required/ > > Judy G. Russell says: > October 22, 2012 at 10:41 am > Russ, there’s no legal requirement that a family consent to having its loved one’s tombstone photo placed online. It’s not an invasion of privacy, though people often think it is. However, if the family truly objects, I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t agree to take the image down as a matter of courtesy. You can still supply the image to any family member who wants it while not offending those who are deeply troubled by having such information online. > > This whole business of having so much information available online is new to us all, and while the law is pretty clear, the protocols and courtesies involved are still developing, and I think we all need to be mindful that many people are truly unhappy with what they perceive as a loss of privacy in this online world and as a discourtesy to living and dead alike. > > Reply > -------- > Russ Worthington says: > October 22, 2012 at 7:17 pm > Judy, > > Thank you very much. > > I was hoping that was your answer. > > I certainly would pull a photo, if requested and I have even sent my photos to family when requested. > > I have also found some relationship’s in Find-A-Grave that may not be clear in other online repositories. A couple of Obituaries as well, they point to the actual newspaper for that obituary. > > Thank you, > > Russ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message