After 1922 and the Crown Land redistribution if the castle was Crown land wouldn't it have been assigned by the Irish Free State to the local authority? > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 21:03:02 +0100 > From: carlowmike@gmail.com > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Ownership of Carlow Castle > > Who are the present-day owners of Carlow Castle ?, > is it possible that the Crown retains ownership ? > > > > According to a Lease from King James dated 1604 Donough O' Brien 4th Earl > Thomond was to hold - > > * estate in fee-simple for ever of the Manor of Catherlogh, at the yearly > rent of £23. Reserving and excepting out of the said grant the Castle of > Catherlogh. The said Donough and his son and the longer liver of them to > have the Constableship of the said Castle of Catherlogh, with all the > entertainments as Robert and William Hartpole lately enjoyed*. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Tom , good observation but in the 1979 a group of us approached the then Carlow County Manager regarding maintenance of and accessibility to the Castle, we were informed that the Office of Public Works were the custodians of the Castle and grounds but ownership was in doubt as it had not been considered Crown lands as it had been since 1306 vested in the King's name and leased to others by his Royal successors thereafter. This explanation may have been a ploy by the local authority or the Board of Works to avoid confrontation with Corcoran's Mineral Works who at the time controlled access and had in the past erected a greenhouse and planted vegetables on the grounds and possibly also to avoid responsibility. Regardless of this Carlow County Heritage Society undertook a major clean-up of the grounds in 1990, during which we removed 7 large skip loads of rubbish from the castle grounds. I am at present trying to track down deeds etc. The following is extract from my work in progress on Carlow Castle - *Shortly before his death in December 1306, the 58 year old Roger le Bigodhad appointed King Edward 1 as sole heir to all his * * “honours, titles, estates, castles, manors, boroughs, lands, goods and chattels” * *which included, * *“The Manor, Castle and borough of Catherlach, with all their appurtenances; * *and the Body of the County with assizes and perquisites”. * *This proved to be a fortunate turn of events for future historians because as soon as the King acquired the Manor and Castle all the Rolls, Court Records, Writs, Accounts and other material compiled by the Seneschal, Treasurer, Constable, sheriffs, bailiffs, reeves, receivers and lesser clerks were transferred to the Tower of London where the originals were preserved. I believe the archives were transferred to the National Archives at Kew. * *We know that in 1604 King James handed over the remainder of his Carlow property to Donough O'Brien but the King reserved ownership of the Castle for himself and his "successors" ?.* On 26 September 2013 04:30, Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mymts.net> wrote: > After 1922 and the Crown Land redistribution if the castle was Crown land > wouldn't it have been assigned by the Irish Free State to the local > authority? > > > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 21:03:02 +0100 > > From: carlowmike@gmail.com > > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Ownership of Carlow Castle > > > > Who are the present-day owners of Carlow Castle ?, > > is it possible that the Crown retains ownership ? > > > > > > > > According to a Lease from King James dated 1604 Donough O' Brien 4th > Earl > > Thomond was to hold - > > > > * estate in fee-simple for ever of the Manor of Catherlogh, at the > yearly > > rent of £23. Reserving and excepting out of the said grant the Castle of > > Catherlogh. The said Donough and his son and the longer liver of them to > > have the Constableship of the said Castle of Catherlogh, with all the > > entertainments as Robert and William Hartpole lately enjoyed*. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >