Thanks Noel, good question, not sure what to do regarding the Pat Purcell Papers, we have about 500 Informations + Statements etc. typed up but have now to reconsider publication. In future we might just publish extract or summary of the content of such documents. Our concern has come about following the discovery that extracts ( in particular a 1809 Statement sworn by Ann Fowler ) from carlowigp were used with no acknowledgment whatever to carlowigp, Michael Brennan or the Pat Purcell Papers this despite the fact that at the end of the piece several other sources were thanked and acknowledged. That is the main reason we have stopped posting extracts from the PPP. To make matters worse when I contacted the "author" he replied "of course the PPP is credited as the source" strongly suggesting that I was too stupid to be able to detect his acknowledgement of the carlowigp, Michael Brennan or the PPP. That is all I can say for the moment as we are in discussion with a legal advisor concerning this. On 24 August 2013 15:02, noel walsh <carlowpast@gmail.com> wrote: > Mick, will the presentation of material to the library include the Pat > Purcell Papers, the papers have proved to be a fantastic resource for > genealogy and history research and much appreciated by all > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Michael Purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > This is the last time that I will be able to check our genealogical > records > > as I am giving most of the records to Carlow County Library next week. > > The entries recorded below might not relate to Declan's family, I can > find > > no refs to Pat and Mary O'Neill-Reddy having children baptised in Carlow > > Cathedral . > > There is a record for death of Pat Reddy, aged 19, Baker's son, Barrack > > Street, April, 1896. > > Pat Reddy, Staplestown Road was baptised 1876, son of Mary Neill and > James > > Reddy. > > Michael Reddy, died, aged 16 in Jan 1897, Baker's son, Barrack Street. > > James Reddy, Bap. 1881, Staplestown Road, son of above couple. > > Anne Reddy died aged 15, Baker's daughter 1890, Barrack Street. > > James Reddy, Baker, died 1893, aged 46 years, Barrack Street. > > > > The papers of the Browne-Clayton-Browne estate/family of Browne's Hill > are > > in Carlow County Library, some details on this link. > > The Browne-Clayton The Illuminated Address > > 1867<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/PP_papers_03.htm> > > www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/PP_*papers*_03.htm > > <https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en-GB&tab=mw#> > > > > - Cached< > > > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:evi9EhJGvxIJ:www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/PP_papers_03.htm+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk > > > > > - Share > > View shared post <https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en-GB&tab=mw#> > > > > All the work has been done by *hand* in vivid calligraphy *on* Vellum of > > which 6 *...* Clayton *Browne*-*Clayton* of Browne's Hill from the > > Inhabitants of *Carlow on* the *...* > > > > > > On 19 August 2013 17:28, James D Reddy <reddy.jd88@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi Michael, I traced the marriage of my great-grandfather, Patrick > Reddy > > to > > > Mary O"Neill or Neill in Carlow Cathedral in 1870/80s. (Don't have cert > > to > > > hand at moment). He was a baker in Carlow town & died of "baker's lung" > > > about 1889/90. Before taking up the bakery trade, I understand he was a > > > tenant farmer on the Brownes Hill estate & was evicted. Do you know if > > any > > > Brownes Hill estate records re tenants are available? And where? Or any > > > newspaper or other records of evictions? > > > I searched the Cathedral microfilm baptismal records in the National > > > Library without success. If he was born on the B. Hill estate, what > > > Catholic parish was that at the time? Prob the cathedral parish? I know > > B. > > > Hill was in the civil parish of Clonmelsh/Clonmelch & part of > Chapelstown > > > DED. He was prob born before 1863 or 64 when Civil Registration came > in. > > > Any advice/info you can give me how to trace his DOB and which bakery > > shop > > > he worked in, greatly appreciated. Also his date of death c. late > 1880s, > > as > > > I don't have that. I have DOBs for his children. > > > Declan Reddy, Killiney, Co. Dublin, 19-8-2013 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am afraid Mick & helpers you may accept that in the present day IT environment plagiarism is rampant, comments, pictures and indeed whole articles are reproduced without credit or acknowledgment as to the source of the material unless you can prove that such work, research and labor has been plagiarised for a thesis, dissertation or financial gain you are restrained in any legal procedures and can only depend on common courtesy and decency of the user to credit their source. Of course if the protagonist is a disciplined student or academically trained researcher publishing the work as their own then that is a different matter and should be brought to the attention of the relevant authority. It is a pity that this practice might inhibit further publication of extracts from the PPP as such extracts are of considerable assistance to genealogy researchers and a remarkable source for students of history, Noel. On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Michael Purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com>wrote: > Thanks Noel, good question, not sure what to do regarding the Pat Purcell > Papers, we have about 500 Informations + Statements etc. typed up but have > now to reconsider publication. > In future we might just publish extract or summary of the content of such > documents. > Our concern has come about following the discovery that extracts ( in > particular a 1809 Statement sworn by Ann Fowler ) from carlowigp were used > with no acknowledgment whatever to carlowigp, Michael Brennan or the Pat > Purcell Papers this despite the fact that at the end of the piece several > other sources were thanked and acknowledged. > That is the main reason we have stopped posting extracts from the PPP. > To make matters worse when I contacted the "author" he replied "of course > the PPP is credited as the source" strongly suggesting that I was too > stupid to be able to detect his acknowledgement of the carlowigp, Michael > Brennan or the PPP. > That is all I can say for the moment as we are in discussion with a legal > advisor concerning this. > > > On 24 August 2013 15:02, noel walsh <carlowpast@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Mick, will the presentation of material to the library include the Pat > > Purcell Papers, the papers have proved to be a fantastic resource for > > genealogy and history research and much appreciated by all > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Michael Purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > This is the last time that I will be able to check our genealogical > > records > > > as I am giving most of the records to Carlow County Library next week. > > > The entries recorded below might not relate to Declan's family, I can > > find > > > no refs to Pat and Mary O'Neill-Reddy having children baptised in > Carlow > > > Cathedral . > > > There is a record for death of Pat Reddy, aged 19, Baker's son, Barrack > > > Street, April, 1896. > > > Pat Reddy, Staplestown Road was baptised 1876, son of Mary Neill and > > James > > > Reddy. > > > Michael Reddy, died, aged 16 in Jan 1897, Baker's son, Barrack Street. > > > James Reddy, Bap. 1881, Staplestown Road, son of above couple. > > > Anne Reddy died aged 15, Baker's daughter 1890, Barrack Street. > > > James Reddy, Baker, died 1893, aged 46 years, Barrack Street. > > > > > > The papers of the Browne-Clayton-Browne estate/family of Browne's Hill > > are > > > in Carlow County Library, some details on this link. > > > The Browne-Clayton The Illuminated Address > > > 1867<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/PP_papers_03.htm> > > > www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/PP_*papers*_03.htm > > > <https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en-GB&tab=mw#> > > > > > > - Cached< > > > > > > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:evi9EhJGvxIJ:www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/PP_papers_03.htm+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk > > > > > > > - Share > > > View shared post <https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en-GB&tab=mw#> > > > > > > All the work has been done by *hand* in vivid calligraphy *on* Vellum > of > > > which 6 *...* Clayton *Browne*-*Clayton* of Browne's Hill from the > > > Inhabitants of *Carlow on* the *...* > > > > > > > > > On 19 August 2013 17:28, James D Reddy <reddy.jd88@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Michael, I traced the marriage of my great-grandfather, Patrick > > Reddy > > > to > > > > Mary O"Neill or Neill in Carlow Cathedral in 1870/80s. (Don't have > cert > > > to > > > > hand at moment). He was a baker in Carlow town & died of "baker's > lung" > > > > about 1889/90. Before taking up the bakery trade, I understand he > was a > > > > tenant farmer on the Brownes Hill estate & was evicted. Do you know > if > > > any > > > > Brownes Hill estate records re tenants are available? And where? Or > any > > > > newspaper or other records of evictions? > > > > I searched the Cathedral microfilm baptismal records in the National > > > > Library without success. If he was born on the B. Hill estate, what > > > > Catholic parish was that at the time? Prob the cathedral parish? I > know > > > B. > > > > Hill was in the civil parish of Clonmelsh/Clonmelch & part of > > Chapelstown > > > > DED. He was prob born before 1863 or 64 when Civil Registration came > > in. > > > > Any advice/info you can give me how to trace his DOB and which bakery > > > shop > > > > he worked in, greatly appreciated. Also his date of death c. late > > 1880s, > > > as > > > > I don't have that. I have DOBs for his children. > > > > Declan Reddy, Killiney, Co. Dublin, 19-8-2013 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >