Turtle Bunbury has a particular interest in Philip Germaine but Turtle is busy for the next week or two as participant in the Carlow Arts Festival and with his role as curator of the History Festival of Ireland, I expect we will hear from him when things quieten down. Kaye, I sent email to James Shannon at the email address you provided but have had no reply, was that the correct address ?. On 8 June 2013 09:32, Kaye Cole <kayecole@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Thank you Mike for the bit about Philip Germaine and the tithe wars in > 1832. > It's interesting to see how three different reports of the same incident > vary. (Maybe history IS bunk!) The Carlow Sentinel reports it as virtually > a > non-event involving some 5000 people. However a letter from Edward Dwyer to > Daniel O'Connell dated May 27 1832 describes how between 40 to 50 thousand > people had assembled for the auction in an orderly and sober manner under > the leadership of their clergy, but not one bid for the cattle was > received, > which were then returned home to Mr Germaine. The third version is from > Philip Germaine himself, recorded in an interview in the Freeman's Journal, > January 18, 1886. He says there were at least 500 military and police under > arms guarding the cattle. "Immense crowds congregated at the seizure and > the > sale" which was to pay the tithe charge of £1100 per year, and which "I > could not admit was a just debt". Afterwards "Fully three thousand people > assembled on my farm and cheered and blew horns, and the mountains were > covered with bonfires to give me encouragement". > > Cheers > Kaye Cole > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 11:58:31 +0100 > > From: Michael Purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Philip Germaine 1832 > > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: > > <CAKqwSs5ah3D=kHR4XN_HJGGE2rCeVFhTUZV=vcTSXQeCH8ZUzg@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Carlow Sentinel. > > May, 1832. > > TITHES --- Mr Philip Germaine's Cattle. > > It having been ascertained that Mr Butler, the sub-Sheriff of Carlow, > > intended to seize upon cattle of Philip Germaine of Rathvilly for > > non-payment of tithes, upwards of five thousand persons assembled from > > counties of Wicklow, Kildare and Carlow, to witness the auction. > > All business at this busy season was suspended ; numbers poured into > > Baltinglass and Rathvilly to accompany the cattle to Carlow. > > Fortunately, however, probably for the public peace, the Sheriff > > relinquished his intention of seizing the cattle during the present > > excited > > state of the public mind. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >