ok then, I'll do it. Does it hurt? Hope it doesn't turn up any family scandals! John. > From: irl-carlow-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 218 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 01:00:35 -0600 > > > > Before you send an email to this List you must first of all subscribe to the List. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. DNA Testing - Some proof! (Susan Warren) > 2. Re: DNA Testing-23andMe and FTDNA Databases (Trevor Clowry) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:20:34 +1000 > From: "Susan Warren" <ousie@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing - Some proof! > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002901ce6b01$3fbbba90$bf332fb0$@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi John > > I made this suggestion [for people who might be interested] based on my own > personal experience. > I have nothing to gain financially by promoting DNA testing only looking to > expand my own research. > I thought as a group it might prove worthwhile to our list as we all have > one thing in common - CARLOW. > We share all our information on Carlow and this would be taking it one step > further! > > It will only be useful if the results are all available in one data base - > that is why I suggested we use > Family Tree DNA which are running a special at the moment and as I have used > it myself for a number of test for myself and my husband. > I believe that you can upload your results to some of the other data bases > for a fee but I haven't done this myself as yet. > > To prove it works and to isolate the Warren cousins specifically - one of > Rob's females cousins from Canada undertook a Family Finder test. > Family Tree did not know they were connected in anyway as she has a totally > different surname and lives in another country. > She came up in his data base as a 2nd cousin, and he in hers, which she is; > as their grandfathers were brothers from Tullow, Co Carlow. > So I proved it works which was a concern to me also and I think this should > cover your query as to decent proof! > > So a male cousin was linked to a female cousin with a totally different > surname which I think is a marvelous DNA test > and the most useful one for females as well as males. > > I don't believe DNA testing is flawed and I say this because of our own > personal experience. > > Many years ago, my husband got a call from a girl friend from his distant > past - saying he was the father of her child which she had given up for > adoption. > A huge shock for us ALL - especially as it was over thirty years since he > had seen her and never knew of her terrible dilemma! > Our family had a wonderful relationship with his new found son although he > lived on the other side of the world! > After six years, we decided to do a paternal DNA test when they became > available for legalities with wills etc. > > They undertook a paternal DNA test which said they were not father and son!! > It was a terrible shock and we were all devastated and couldn't believe it. > The happy ending to this saga is that we all still have a very close > relationship and he is still a part of our family although not related by > DNA! > > We had the tests done at least three times at different labs in the UK and > Australia - his birth mother contributed DNA for testing as well. > The results from all the tests showed that the results were absolutely > identical - not just YES or NO - but each marker that was tested gave > identical readings- some 16 different markers from memory. > You get half of the DNA from the mother and half from the father. So you > eliminate those identical with the mother and the remaining have to be an > exact match with the father. > All very interesting from a scientific point of view but can be devastating > from a personal one. > As a result I have absolutely no doubts about the accuracy of DNA testing. > > That's it from me on this subject as I am going away for a month. > For those interest in this exercise I suggest we all use the one company to > keep things simple. > > Susie Warren > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Shepperd > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:57 PM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 214 > > Probably a good deal of flawed science in this, as well as heavy marketing. > It is a nice idea, but has enormous potential for duping the innocent of > Carlow! > > We need decent proof that this system is valid. > > John > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 06:46:28 +0100 > From: "Trevor Clowry" <trevor.clowry@roomthree.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing-23andMe and FTDNA Databases > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <48E93B4BED8D354181BE63C5BEE6BC140136A365@server.Roomthree.dub> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Tanya, > I have a profile on 23andme and it has connected me to numerous > relations. > The $99 dollars does not include delivery costs which if I remember is > quite high. > It does give you some great insights into potential medical issues. If > anyone wants to see my account, let me know and I can let you log in > under my account. > Trevor > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Whitaker > Sent: 15 June 2013 19:23 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing-23andMe and FTDNA Databases > > Thought I would share the following, which is a better deal than the > sale > price offered by FTDNA. > > There is another company 23andme that offers the same test for $99. > They > also give you information on medical tendencies. Because of this, your > matches are kept anonymous at first and you have to send them an > invitation > to share, so you don't get as many replies as with FTDNA. In addition, > there is an advantage. Once you test with 23andme you can download your > raw > data. You can upload the raw data to FTDNA (they take out any > medical-related information) for another $99. So if you do it this way, > you > can find matches at both companies for the same price FTDNA charges to > test > directly. And although you have fewer people sharing genomes with you > at > 23andme, their database is about 5 to 6 times larger. > > Also, I looked on the website and if one orders more than one kit there > is a > 20% discount for each additional kit. > > https://www.23andme.com/ > > Tanya > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Brennan > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:00 AM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > > As Thomas Reed mentions below he has not found any Carlow cousins > through > DNA Testing. > > Is this because only a small number of people have contributed their > DNA? > > I cant find any figures for Irish DNA. > > It would be interesting to see what counties have submitted their DNA. > > There are lots of DNA services and there is even an British Isle DNA > Project > http://www.britishislesdna.com/ but obviously there is a cost and I > suppose > not every one can afford this cost today. > > Regards > Michael Brennan > County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ > My Laois Page: > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) > From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <32815203.110991371254737224.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp14> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Michael: > > My Y DNA is not helpful for any Carlow ancestors, because my ancestors > are > on my maternal line. I have a mitrocondrial DNA sampling as well, but > all > that does is identify very distant relatives, so far none from Carlow > (but > one from Longford, also on my mother's side). > > As you might have guessed, my Reeds were from Ulster (possibly near > Londonderry) and emigrated to Pennsylvania Province at the beginning of > the > 18th century. Prior to 1600 or so, my Reeds were border reivers living > in > the Middle March on the English side. > > Tom Reed > New Castle, Delaware, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3199/6413 - Release Date: > 06/15/13 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-CARLOW list administrator, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 218 > ******************************************