Probably a good deal of flawed science in this, as well as heavy marketing. It is a nice idea, but has enormous potential for duping the innocent of Carlow! We need decent proof that this system is valid. John > From: irl-carlow-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 214 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:19:50 -0600 > > > > Before you send an email to this List you must first of all subscribe to the List. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Family Finder DNA test (Susan Warren) > 2. Re: Family Finder DNA test (Tanya Whitaker) > 3. DNA Testing (Michael Brennan) > 4. Re: DNA Testing (Tom LaPorte) > 5. Re: DNA Testing (Thomas Reed) > 6. 1835, Grand Jury, Bunbury, Clowry, Cummins, Anderson, Crowe, > Haughton, etc.etc. (Friend of Carlow) > 7. Re: 1835, Grand Jury, Bunbury, Clowry, Cummins, Anderson, > Crowe, Haughton, etc.etc. (Friend of Carlow) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:59:12 +1000 > From: "Susan Warren" <ousie@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000601ce69a6$9bdb9630$d392c290$@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Brian > There are various DNA tests. > The one I am talking about is called the FAMILY FINDER test. > http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx > > The Y-DNA test which you most probably took only connects you to other males > who descend directly from your own male line. > This test is not for females. > I imagine this is the test which you took Brian. > > FAMILY FINDER. > Match with five generations of family - Family Finder & Genealogy > With our autosomal Family Finder test you may extend the power of genetic > genealogy to all of your ancestors. > Using a test of your own DNA, you can discover connections to descendants of > all SIXTEEN of your great-great-grandparents! > The Family Finder test will not only open avenues for traditional research > but will help you discover the hidden connections that could explain your > family's migrations. > We place you in control. > When you take the Family Finder test, your results are compared against our > Family Finder database. > Your list of matches is designed to be quickly sorted to allow you to focus > on your near or distant cousins. > Because email addresses are provided for easy communication with your near > or distant cousins you will be able to share research easily. > We notify you by email when you have new matches. > > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:26:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: Brian Walsh <sm082987@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: "irl-carlow@rootsweb.com" <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1371259607.13529.YahooMailNeo@web181504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > You know, I took the test and they told me we migrated from Africa to > Ireland. I know I am missing something here, maybe you can help. Brian > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:48:42 -0400 > From: "Tanya Whitaker" <tmmw025@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <007401ce69c6$ab1711e0$014535a0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > This is a wonderful savings compared to the price quoted on the Allison DNA > project website on rootsweb of $289. From being in another genealogy group: > Fitzpatrick Clan, the forensic genealogist in the group explained to me in a > "DNA 101" email that FTDNA is the better organization versus ancestry.com, > even though FTDNA has had its issues of slow service and missing project DNA > results. Emails by group members to the owner of FTDNA has helped speed up > their service and resolve missing result issues. > > Tanya > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Warren > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:59 AM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test > > Hi Brian > There are various DNA tests. > The one I am talking about is called the FAMILY FINDER test. > http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx > > The Y-DNA test which you most probably took only connects you to other males > who descend directly from your own male line. > This test is not for females. > I imagine this is the test which you took Brian. > > FAMILY FINDER. > Match with five generations of family - Family Finder & Genealogy With our > autosomal Family Finder test you may extend the power of genetic genealogy > to all of your ancestors. > Using a test of your own DNA, you can discover connections to descendants of > all SIXTEEN of your great-great-grandparents! > The Family Finder test will not only open avenues for traditional research > but will help you discover the hidden connections that could explain your > family's migrations. > We place you in control. > When you take the Family Finder test, your results are compared against our > Family Finder database. > Your list of matches is designed to be quickly sorted to allow you to focus > on your near or distant cousins. > Because email addresses are provided for easy communication with your near > or distant cousins you will be able to share research easily. > We notify you by email when you have new matches. > > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:26:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: Brian Walsh <sm082987@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: "irl-carlow@rootsweb.com" <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1371259607.13529.YahooMailNeo@web181504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > You know, I took the test and they told me we migrated from Africa to > Ireland. I know I am missing something here, maybe you can help. Brian > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 13:59:43 +0100 > From: "Michael Brennan" <mb006r9209@blueyonder.co.uk> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <17554709C92542ED8AE92B72786BBB1F@HomePC2> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > As Thomas Reed mentions below he has not found any Carlow cousins through > DNA Testing. > > Is this because only a small number of people have contributed their DNA? > > I cant find any figures for Irish DNA. > > It would be interesting to see what counties have submitted their DNA. > > There are lots of DNA services and there is even an British Isle DNA Project > http://www.britishislesdna.com/ but obviously there is a cost and I suppose > not every one can afford this cost today. > > Regards > Michael Brennan > County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ > My Laois Page: > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) > From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <32815203.110991371254737224.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp14> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Michael: > > My Y DNA is not helpful for any Carlow ancestors, because my ancestors are > on my maternal line. I have a mitrocondrial DNA sampling as well, but all > that does is identify very distant relatives, so far none from Carlow (but > one from Longford, also on my mother's side). > > As you might have guessed, my Reeds were from Ulster (possibly near > Londonderry) and emigrated to Pennsylvania Province at the beginning of the > 18th century. Prior to 1600 or so, my Reeds were border reivers living in > the Middle March on the English side. > > Tom Reed > New Castle, Delaware, USA > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:31:29 -0500 > From: Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mymts.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: "irl-carlow@rootsweb.com" <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY156-W718E0A4A94632EABBE121D0810@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > I'm a big supporter of DNA testing but the results totally depend on other people out there having their DNA results on file. > I was lucky I suppose. I'm researching my maternal side, Bowles, so my DNA would not have been useful for maternal matchups but I obtained a male cousin's DNA to submit for the Y DNA test. There was no immediate match but over the next 3 years I had 100% matches on the 25 marker test with Bowles in another part of Canada and one in California. We were able to connect up our trees four generations back and each filled in huge holes in the other's family trees. > I'm eagerly waiting for the next family member to decide to get their DNA tested so I can 'meet' them. > Tom > > > From: mb006r9209@blueyonder.co.uk > > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:53:08 +0100 > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > > > > Family Finder have a $199 special going at the moment for a Family Finder DNA test. > > > > I have undertaken this test myself and have advised some others to do so as it reunites cousins. > > > > Females as well as males can undertake the test and it finds cousins on both sides up to 5th cousins. > > > > It is just a mouth swab and so easy to do. > > > > > > > > I have nothing to gain by promoting this test but thought if members from our Carlow list undertook > > > > this test it could bring some amazing connections I believe. People who had no idea they connected > > > > and it may really help some of them or us to make some good progress. > > > > > > > > Anyway last time I sent a link to this site it didn?t get posted so I thought I would write to you > > > > directly to see what you thought. > > > > > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx > > > > > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/default.aspx > > > > > > From > > Susan Warren<ousie@optusnet.com.au>; > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 13:08:06 -0400 (EDT) > From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <16011135.117901371316086580.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp31> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Michael: > > As you know Y DNA traces male ancestors only. You can rely on Y DNA results when the results show a relatively identical match between men of the same surname. In my case, my Reed YDNA has 12/12 matches with several men named "Gillespie"--a Scottish family. The usual explanation for a match between people with a different surname is that you both had a common ancestor before surnames became common in the 14th-15th century. So I have concluded that people surnamed "Reed" and surnamed "Gillespie" have a common male ancestor about 16 generations back. > > Re Carlow surnames--I have male "Darcy" (in USA "Dorsey") relatives whom I've begged to get a Y DNA test done. So far, none have done so. I can trace my Carlow roots on my mother's side to Murtagh Darcy b. ca. 1818 in Carlow, probably in Myshall Parish in one of three townlands surrounding the chapel at Drumfea, emigrated to the USA via Canada in April-June 1842, settled in Washington County, New York ca. 1845. I have not been able to identify Murt Darcy's father and mother or any of his brothers or sisters, although I have suspects for his father and grand father. > > Tom Reed > New Castle, DE USA > > --------------------------------------- > Original E-mail > >From : Michael Brennan [mb006r9209@blueyonder.co.uk] > Date : 06/15/2013 08:59 AM > To : irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject : [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > > As Thomas Reed mentions below he has not found any Carlow cousins through > DNA Testing. > > Is this because only a small number of people have contributed their DNA? > > I cant find any figures for Irish DNA. > > It would be interesting to see what counties have submitted their DNA. > > There are lots of DNA services and there is even an British Isle DNA Project > http://www.britishislesdna.com/ but obviously there is a cost and I suppose > not every one can afford this cost today. > > Regards > Michael Brennan > County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ > My Laois Page: > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) > From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <32815203.110991371254737224.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp14> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Michael: > > My Y DNA is not helpful for any Carlow ancestors, because my ancestors are > on my maternal line. I have a mitrocondrial DNA sampling as well, but all > that does is identify very distant relatives, so far none from Carlow (but > one from Longford, also on my mother's side). > > As you might have guessed, my Reeds were from Ulster (possibly near > Londonderry) and emigrated to Pennsylvania Province at the beginning of the > 18th century. Prior to 1600 or so, my Reeds were border reivers living in > the Middle March on the English side. > > Tom Reed > New Castle, Delaware, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:46:33 +0100 > From: Friend of Carlow <friendsofcarlowtempe@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1835, Grand Jury, Bunbury, Clowry, Cummins, > Anderson, Crowe, Haughton, etc.etc. > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CACXOvdRSc27ikeZmZ0V1+dKsQpAuhUFWHitakP6LKmJ+ivyUmg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >From P.P.P. > Document from T.C. Crawford legal papers. > Grand Jury sworn in at Carlow Sessions held on Saturday 4th April 1835 to > enquire, before The Carlow Borough Registry, with rigid impartiality into > eligibility of persons to hold a franchise to vote at Elections in and for > the County of Carlow. > Chairman - Samuel Robinson, Esquire, Gentleman. Lawyer. > Assistant Barrister - James Bessonett, Esquire, Gentleman. > Recorder - Thomas Crawford Butler, Esquire, Attorney. > Barristers - Mr. Hayes, Esquire, Barrister ; Mr Berwick, Esquire, Barrister. > Henry Carey, Foreman ; Benjamin Bunbury, Thomas Elliot, Samuel Haughton, > William Galbraith, George Anderson, James Kehoe, Thomas Donoghoe, Patrick > Finn, William O' Neill, James Smith, Thomas Maher, James Lalor, William > Bernard, John Curran, Patrick Kehoe. > Witnesses - Sir Thomas Butler, Bart., Major Cornwall, Colonel Bruen, > Captain Vignoles, Mr. Alexander, Guilelmus Earl, George Faircloth, George > Crofton, Henry Faulkiner, George W. Colcough, James Hardy Eustace, Thomas > Watson, Samuel Watson, Robert Browne, Thomas C. Bunbury, Thomas Nolan, > Peter Nowlan, Simon Hennesy, James Ruddick, James Clowry, John Clowry, John > Crowe, James Butler, Archibold Sly, Michael Nolan, Joseph Malone, Michael > Hennessy, Patrick Byrne, Thomas Murphy, John McDaniel, George Rigney, Owen > Cummins, Patrick Kinsella, Hugh Cummins, John Kinsella, John Byrne. George > Colcough, John Leonard, Timothy Murphy, Thomas Wynne. > Popish priests- T.Tyrrell, J.Cummins, J.Gahon, J.Walsh. J.Maher. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:19:13 +0100 > From: Friend of Carlow <friendsofcarlowtempe@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1835, Grand Jury, Bunbury, Clowry, Cummins, > Anderson, Crowe, Haughton, etc.etc. > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CACXOvdTxkkAFvt5dN=K51qanY8OzkjeDOiNFBGqX19bzwDJWGA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Sorry folks, correction to previous email - > should read :- > >>>>>>>>From P.P.P. > Document from T.C. Butler, legal papers. > T.Kehoe should be added to Popish priests - T.Tyrrell, J.Cummins, J.Gahon, > J.Walsh. J.Maher. T. Kehoe. > Add to list of Witnesses :- John Alexander, the elder, John Alexander, the > younger, William Galbraith, Patrick Hickey, Patrick Neill, <<<<<<<<< > > > > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Friend of Carlow < > friendsofcarlowtempe@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From P.P.P. > > Document from T.C. Crawford legal papers. > > Grand Jury sworn in at Carlow Sessions held on Saturday 4th April 1835 to > > enquire, before The Carlow Borough Registry, with rigid impartiality into > > eligibility of persons to hold a franchise to vote at Elections in and for > > the County of Carlow. > > Chairman - Samuel Robinson, Esquire, Gentleman. Lawyer. > > Assistant Barrister - James Bessonett, Esquire, Gentleman. > > Recorder - Thomas Crawford Butler, Esquire, Attorney. > > Barristers - Mr. Hayes, Esquire, Barrister ; Mr Berwick, Esquire, > > Barrister. > > Henry Carey, Foreman ; Benjamin Bunbury, Thomas Elliot, Samuel Haughton, > > William Galbraith, George Anderson, James Kehoe, Thomas Donoghoe, Patrick > > Finn, William O' Neill, James Smith, Thomas Maher, James Lalor, William > > Bernard, John Curran, Patrick Kehoe. > > Witnesses - Sir Thomas Butler, Bart., Major Cornwall, Colonel Bruen, > > Captain Vignoles, Mr. Alexander, Guilelmus Earl, George Faircloth, George > > Crofton, Henry Faulkiner, George W. Colcough, James Hardy Eustace, Thomas > > Watson, Samuel Watson, Robert Browne, Thomas C. Bunbury, Thomas Nolan, > > Peter Nowlan, Simon Hennesy, James Ruddick, James Clowry, John Clowry, John > > Crowe, James Butler, Archibold Sly, Michael Nolan, Joseph Malone, Michael > > Hennessy, Patrick Byrne, Thomas Murphy, John McDaniel, George Rigney, Owen > > Cummins, Patrick Kinsella, Hugh Cummins, John Kinsella, John Byrne. George > > Colcough, John Leonard, Timothy Murphy, Thomas Wynne. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-CARLOW list administrator, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 214 > ******************************************