Hola Mick, Does Thomas Bunbury provide an address also? I am unsure which Thomas he is - I don't think he is the guy who was boss of Lisnavagh at that time (who later became MP for Carlow) because (a) he lived in London and (b) I don't believe he had a middle initial of C, but I may be wrong ... Sorry for radio silence on other matters - it is indeed all very much hotting up for this weekend's History Festival. I attended the Borris House festival of Writing & Ideas on Saturday and it was a huge success. All best for now, Turtle Turtle Bunbury

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 Mob: + 353 (0) 87 6453 486 Office: +353 (0) 5991 80559 Skype: turtle1847 www.facebook.com/turtle.bunbury On 10 Jun 2013, at 14:04, Michael Purcell wrote: > [ note added 2013 by Michael Purcell -- I am not sure what axe Thomas > Bunbury is grinding by having this letter published but you can be sure it > has to do with the "Tithe War" that was taking place at this time plus he > refers to "the Rev. T. Tyrell" ( sic ) who was Parish Priest of Tinryland > at this time and who was a very active "political priest" and stirrer upper. > The "oath" was not published nor was anymore heard from Mr Bunbury on the > topic. > At the end of this letter I attach a piece on Father Thomas Tyrrell. ] > > Carlow Sentinel. > 12th May 1832. > To the Editor of The Carlow Sentinel. > Mr Editor - - A meeting of the parishioners of the union of Grangeford, and > Killerig, took place on the 2nd May to form associations for the protection > of persons and property. > The form of an oath was submitted for the inspection of the Rev. T.Tyrell, > and assented to, on Mr William Duckett's promise, that no person swearing > should be employed to recover tithes. -- > Now, if not subject by the oath, why was this promise asked ? > What avails any man's promise ? > A committee being named, I requested to see the oath, to me it appeared > embracing too much. If the meeting was solely for the object " to form > associations for the protection of persons and property" , why swear more > than " that we will to the best of our power save and protect the persons > and property of each of our parishioners ." > If the oath contains more, but not intelligible to him who swears it, I say > I had cause to object. > The objectionable parts were pointed out to Mr William Duckett, assented > to, and included within parenthesis to be omitted. > The committee having perfected the resolutions, my objections were spoken > of in a very uncourteous manner ; I attempted a reply, but persons > possessing more weight in body than mind, prevented me, by exclaiming ," no > ! no ! a loss of time &." > Through your impartial journal I require a publication of the oath. > By one gentleman it was argued that the preamble was the oath and not the > oath itself. > Another said, to amend was to destroy ; would to God his commission of > justice for the peace was amended. He thinks he is a lawyer ; had I the law > not known to him , I would forego his knowledge. > I am satisfied of this deficiency, by poor S --- n's imprisonment for > seeing a hare. > Again I think I am justified in requesting said oath to be published, and > as yet, am no convert, Thomas C. Bunbury. > [ added 2013 - > > *Rev Thomas Tyrrell, P. P. Tinryland* > > *“A Political Priest” by John Scott* > > “Fr. Thomas Tyrrell was a native of Ballyroan, Co. Laois. He was PP of > Doonane from 1815 to 1823 when he was transferred to Tinryland where he > remained until his death on 24 August 1842.Many of his parishioners at this > time were tenants of the landlords Bruen and Beresford and this probably > began his interest in politics. At this time in Carlow the Borough of > Carlow sent one representative to Parliament and the County sent two. The > bill giving Catholic Emancipation was made law on 13 April 1829. A separate > bill was passed at the same time, which raised the county franchise from > forty shillings to £ 10. This had the effect of reducing the number of > people who could vote in the County constituency from about 4000 to 530. > This was an attempt to limit the effect of the emancipation bill and it > deprived many forty-shilling freeholders of the vote. The very people who > had forced the question of emancipation were to be deprived of the fruits > of it. This just added to the feelings of bitterness, which had built up > over the previous decade.” > > “However a Reform Bill was passed in August 1832 and it increased the > electorate in the County to about 1246. Also, the borough franchise was > extended to £ I 0 householders, the same as in England. Special sessions > for the registration of new voters were set up and the number of people > entitled to vote in the next borough election would be considerably greater > than the thirteen who had the vote in the last one. In the 1832 election > 278 people had the right to vote in the Borough. It must be remembered that > at this time voting was not secret and sometimes the local papers published > a list of the voters and how they cast their votes. The landlords expected > that their tenants would vote as directed by them.” > > “The previous elections in the County from the Act of Union in 1801 were > just contests between various landlords. Now with the coming of Catholic > Emancipation and the passing of the Reform Act the power of the landlords > could be challenged. This was the situation into which Fr. Tyrrell threw > his energies. In May 1830 he addressed a Poor Law meeting in Maryborough > and he also proposed a motion at a Reform meeting in Carlow on 24th May, > 1832. He seconded Wallace, the Liberal candidate, at the election in > December 1832. Wallace and the other Liberal candidate, Walter Blackney > were elected. The Conservatives tried to have the result overturned and a > Parliamentary Committee investigated the election. Fr. Tyrrell travelled > from Tinryland to London and gave evidence before this committee in May > 1833.” > > Transcribed by Michael Purcell ]. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I doubt if he is your Thomas of Lisnavagh, he might be related, if he is related you should be able to track him. There is a Thomas C. Bunbury registered as living in Russellstown in the 1830s. He should be him ?. I would like to have attended the Sommerville-Large talk at the Borris House event , he is one of my favourite writers, but I could not make it. On 10 June 2013 17:53, Turtle Bunbury (History) <turtlehistory@gmail.com>wrote: > Hola Mick, > Does Thomas Bunbury provide an address also? I am unsure which Thomas he > is - I don't think he is the guy who was boss of Lisnavagh at that time > (who later became MP for Carlow) because (a) he lived in London and (b) I > don't believe he had a middle initial of C, but I may be wrong ... > Sorry for radio silence on other matters - it is indeed all very much > hotting up for this weekend's History Festival. I attended the Borris House > festival of Writing & Ideas on Saturday and it was a huge success. > All best for now, > Turtle > > > Turtle Bunbury > > Turtle will curate the 2nd annual History Festival of Ireland at Duckett's > Grove, Co. Carlow, on 15-16 June 2013. For the History Festival programme, > visit http://www.thehistoryfestivalofireland.com/ > To book your tickets, click on > http://www.visualcarlow.ie/events/category/the-history-festival-of-ireland-eigse-carlow-arts-festival-2013or phone 059 9172400. > > www.turtlebunbury.com > > Oldfort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland > Mob: + 353 (0) 87 6453 486 Office: +353 (0) 5991 80559 Skype: > turtle1847 www.facebook.com/turtle.bunbury > > > > > > > On 10 Jun 2013, at 14:04, Michael Purcell wrote: > > > [ note added 2013 by Michael Purcell -- I am not sure what axe Thomas > > Bunbury is grinding by having this letter published but you can be sure > it > > has to do with the "Tithe War" that was taking place at this time plus he > > refers to "the Rev. T. Tyrell" ( sic ) who was Parish Priest of Tinryland > > at this time and who was a very active "political priest" and stirrer > upper. > > The "oath" was not published nor was anymore heard from Mr Bunbury on the > > topic. > > At the end of this letter I attach a piece on Father Thomas Tyrrell. ] > > > > Carlow Sentinel. > > 12th May 1832. > > To the Editor of The Carlow Sentinel. > > Mr Editor - - A meeting of the parishioners of the union of Grangeford, > and > > Killerig, took place on the 2nd May to form associations for the > protection > > of persons and property. > > The form of an oath was submitted for the inspection of the Rev. > T.Tyrell, > > and assented to, on Mr William Duckett's promise, that no person swearing > > should be employed to recover tithes. -- > > Now, if not subject by the oath, why was this promise asked ? > > What avails any man's promise ? > > A committee being named, I requested to see the oath, to me it appeared > > embracing too much. If the meeting was solely for the object " to form > > associations for the protection of persons and property" , why swear more > > than " that we will to the best of our power save and protect the persons > > and property of each of our parishioners ." > > If the oath contains more, but not intelligible to him who swears it, I > say > > I had cause to object. > > The objectionable parts were pointed out to Mr William Duckett, assented > > to, and included within parenthesis to be omitted. > > The committee having perfected the resolutions, my objections were spoken > > of in a very uncourteous manner ; I attempted a reply, but persons > > possessing more weight in body than mind, prevented me, by exclaiming ," > no > > ! no ! a loss of time &." > > Through your impartial journal I require a publication of the oath. > > By one gentleman it was argued that the preamble was the oath and not the > > oath itself. > > Another said, to amend was to destroy ; would to God his commission of > > justice for the peace was amended. He thinks he is a lawyer ; had I the > law > > not known to him , I would forego his knowledge. > > I am satisfied of this deficiency, by poor S --- n's imprisonment for > > seeing a hare. > > Again I think I am justified in requesting said oath to be published, and > > as yet, am no convert, Thomas C. Bunbury. > > [ added 2013 - > > > > *Rev Thomas Tyrrell, P. P. Tinryland* > > > > *“A Political Priest” by John Scott* > > > > “Fr. Thomas Tyrrell was a native of Ballyroan, Co. Laois. He was PP of > > Doonane from 1815 to 1823 when he was transferred to Tinryland where he > > remained until his death on 24 August 1842.Many of his parishioners at > this > > time were tenants of the landlords Bruen and Beresford and this probably > > began his interest in politics. At this time in Carlow the Borough of > > Carlow sent one representative to Parliament and the County sent two. The > > bill giving Catholic Emancipation was made law on 13 April 1829. A > separate > > bill was passed at the same time, which raised the county franchise from > > forty shillings to £ 10. This had the effect of reducing the number of > > people who could vote in the County constituency from about 4000 to 530. > > This was an attempt to limit the effect of the emancipation bill and it > > deprived many forty-shilling freeholders of the vote. The very people who > > had forced the question of emancipation were to be deprived of the fruits > > of it. This just added to the feelings of bitterness, which had built up > > over the previous decade.” > > > > “However a Reform Bill was passed in August 1832 and it increased the > > electorate in the County to about 1246. Also, the borough franchise was > > extended to £ I 0 householders, the same as in England. Special sessions > > for the registration of new voters were set up and the number of people > > entitled to vote in the next borough election would be considerably > greater > > than the thirteen who had the vote in the last one. In the 1832 election > > 278 people had the right to vote in the Borough. It must be remembered > that > > at this time voting was not secret and sometimes the local papers > published > > a list of the voters and how they cast their votes. The landlords > expected > > that their tenants would vote as directed by them.” > > > > “The previous elections in the County from the Act of Union in 1801 were > > just contests between various landlords. Now with the coming of Catholic > > Emancipation and the passing of the Reform Act the power of the landlords > > could be challenged. This was the situation into which Fr. Tyrrell threw > > his energies. In May 1830 he addressed a Poor Law meeting in Maryborough > > and he also proposed a motion at a Reform meeting in Carlow on 24th May, > > 1832. He seconded Wallace, the Liberal candidate, at the election in > > December 1832. Wallace and the other Liberal candidate, Walter Blackney > > were elected. The Conservatives tried to have the result overturned and a > > Parliamentary Committee investigated the election. Fr. Tyrrell travelled > > from Tinryland to London and gave evidence before this committee in May > > 1833.” > > > > Transcribed by Michael Purcell ]. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message