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    1. [IRL-CARLOW] 1911 Census - Irish speakers in Monaghan
    2. Turtle Bunbury
    3. Hi all, Someone lately pointed out an anomaly in the 1911 Census for Monaghan. He found that while there were some 17,395 persons listed on forms completed in Gaelic, 4,473 of these apparently lived in Co. Monaghan. As my source puts it, "I cannot imagine that the Gaelic League would be more effective there than the adjacent counties (Armagh 19, Cavan 151, Fermanagh 74 and Donegal, where there would have been native Irish speakers only 1331). I imagine that Monaghan was playing some sort of joke on the authorities but what was the cause ?" The Clogher Historical Society then explained that the figures for Monaghan were somewhat "skewed by the activities of a priest in Magheracloone who encouraged locals to complete their forms in Irish. Henry Morris, the folklorist, had been promoting the language in Farney and taught classes in Lisdoonan c. 1895-1900." The result is that people looking for their relatives in Farney, Co Monaghan, have been "experiencing some difficulty in finding them on the online census as the names haven't been given an Anglicised version for indexing." Best for now, Turtle Turtle Bunbury www.turtlebunbury.com Old Fort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland Mob: + 353 - (0) 87 - 6453 486 Skype: turtle1847 Turtle Bunbury is a best-selling author and travel writer based in Ireland. He has lately launched www.HistoryinaBook.com which offers an innovative way to transform your family history into a compelling read. Turtle's seventh book, Vanishing Ireland - Further Chronicles of a Disappearing World, with photographer James Fennell, was the top- selling Picture Book in Ireland over Christmas 2009.

    03/15/2010 10:27:32
    1. Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1911 Census - Irish speakers in Monaghan
    2. michael purcell
    3. not only on County Monaghan but in many other areas some people made the Census returns in Gaelic, might explain why researchers are unable to locate people on the Census ?. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Turtle Bunbury <turtle@turtlebunbury.com>wrote: > Hi all, > Someone lately pointed out an anomaly in the 1911 Census for Monaghan. > He found that while there were some 17,395 persons listed on forms > completed in Gaelic, 4,473 of these apparently lived in Co. > Monaghan. As my source puts it, "I cannot imagine that the Gaelic > League would be more effective there than the adjacent counties > (Armagh 19, Cavan 151, Fermanagh 74 and Donegal, where there would > have been native Irish speakers only 1331). I imagine that Monaghan > was playing some sort of joke on the authorities but what was the > cause ?" The Clogher Historical Society then explained that the > figures for Monaghan were somewhat "skewed by the activities of a > priest in Magheracloone who encouraged locals to complete their forms > in Irish. Henry Morris, the folklorist, had been promoting the > language in Farney and taught classes in Lisdoonan c. 1895-1900." The > result is that people looking for their relatives in Farney, Co > Monaghan, have been "experiencing some difficulty in finding them on > the online census as the names haven't been given an Anglicised > version for indexing." > Best for now, > Turtle > > > Turtle Bunbury > www.turtlebunbury.com > Old Fort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland > Mob: + 353 - (0) 87 - 6453 486 > Skype: turtle1847 > > Turtle Bunbury is a best-selling author and travel writer based in > Ireland. He has lately launched www.HistoryinaBook.com<http://www.historyinabook.com/>which offers an > innovative way to transform your family history into a compelling > read. Turtle's seventh book, Vanishing Ireland - Further Chronicles of > a Disappearing World, with photographer James Fennell, was the top- > selling Picture Book in Ireland over Christmas 2009. > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    03/15/2010 10:40:21