Tom, Oopsies, lost the last one.  I remember as a child being told to abstain on Good Friday and Ash Wednesday, and we did as a family and a school. My wife and I still observe the rules, but we are not saints. >From what I have learned, Carlow was not touched by the potato famine as other counties because they grew beets instead of potatoes. I could be wrong about this. I am sure that most priests were pious, and observed the Lenten way. I doubt the workhouse chaplain was a fraud, but he could have been. Brian  Mon, 3/1/10, Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> wrote: From: Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Fast and Abstinence !. To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 6:28 PM I usually don't like to comment on political or religious matters online but .... Okay, first of all I'm Catholic so this isn't prejudice but the notion that a semi-starved person in a workhouse during the height of the potato famine would have to abstain from milk for Good Friday by request of his faith's authority .... damn that's upsetting.  Church Law?  I'll bet the chaplain sat down to a nice meal that evening. Tom -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael purcell Sent: 01 March 2010 03:21 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Fast and Abstinence !. Minutes of Carlow Workhouse 1857. Resolved : That the Roman Catholic chaplain applied to the Board to give the Roman Catholic paupers a substitute for milk with their breakfast tomorrow "being Good Friday"  as they are required to observe Fast and Abstinence by church law...The Board acceded to his wishes and ordered the Master of the Workhouse to provide water as a substitute instead of milk. ======================================= ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com  with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As a child in Philadelphia during the Depression, my mother used to go over to the parish rectory where her grandmother cooked - she would give my Mom bits of extra food and table scraps from the priests so that the family could eat. Feast or famine...the priests didn't go without food or liquor. So much for a vow of poverty... Brian Walsh wrote: > Tom, > Oopsies, lost the last one. > I remember as a child being told to abstain on Good Friday and Ash Wednesday, and we did as a family and a school. > My wife and I still observe the rules, but we are not saints. > >From what I have learned, Carlow was not touched by the potato famine as other counties because they grew beets instead of potatoes. I could be wrong about this. > I am sure that most priests were pious, and observed the Lenten way. I doubt the workhouse chaplain was a fraud, but he could have been. > Brian > > > > > > Mon, 3/1/10, Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> wrote: > > From: Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Fast and Abstinence !. > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 6:28 PM > > I usually don't like to comment on political or religious matters online but > .... Okay, first of all I'm Catholic so this isn't prejudice but the notion > that a > semi-starved person in a workhouse during the height of the potato famine > would have to abstain from milk for Good Friday by request of his faith's > authority .... > damn that's upsetting. Church Law? I'll bet the chaplain sat down to a > nice meal that evening. > > Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael purcell > Sent: 01 March 2010 03:21 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Fast and Abstinence !. > > Minutes of Carlow Workhouse 1857. > Resolved : That the Roman Catholic chaplain applied to the Board to give the > Roman Catholic paupers > a substitute for milk with their breakfast tomorrow "being Good Friday" as > they are required to observe Fast and Abstinence by church law...The Board > acceded to his wishes and ordered the Master of the Workhouse to provide > water as a substitute instead of milk. > > ======================================= > > > > > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Diocesan priests don't take a vow of poverty....only order priests....right or wrong? Frances Heidel On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Joann Taylor wrote: > As a child in Philadelphia during the Depression, my mother used to go > over to the parish rectory where her grandmother cooked - she would > give > my Mom bits of extra food and table scraps from the priests so that > the > family could eat. Feast or famine...the priests didn't go without > food > or liquor. So much for a vow of poverty... > > Brian Walsh wrote: >> Tom, >> Oopsies, lost the last one. >> I remember as a child being told to abstain on Good Friday and >> Ash Wednesday, and we did as a family and a school. >> My wife and I still observe the rules, but we are not saints. >>> From what I have learned, Carlow was not touched by the potato >>> famine as other counties because they grew beets instead of >>> potatoes. I could be wrong about this. >> I am sure that most priests were pious, and observed the Lenten >> way. I doubt the workhouse chaplain was a fraud, but he could have >> been. >> Brian >> >> >> >> >> >> Mon, 3/1/10, Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> wrote: >> >> From: Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Fast and Abstinence !. >> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 6:28 PM >> >> I usually don't like to comment on political or religious matters >> online but >> .... Okay, first of all I'm Catholic so this isn't prejudice but >> the notion >> that a >> semi-starved person in a workhouse during the height of the potato >> famine >> would have to abstain from milk for Good Friday by request of his >> faith's >> authority .... >> damn that's upsetting. Church Law? I'll bet the chaplain sat >> down to a >> nice meal that evening. >> >> Tom >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael purcell >> Sent: 01 March 2010 03:21 >> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Fast and Abstinence !. >> >> Minutes of Carlow Workhouse 1857. >> Resolved : That the Roman Catholic chaplain applied to the Board >> to give the >> Roman Catholic paupers >> a substitute for milk with their breakfast tomorrow "being Good >> Friday" as >> they are required to observe Fast and Abstinence by church >> law...The Board >> acceded to his wishes and ordered the Master of the Workhouse to >> provide >> water as a substitute instead of milk. >> >> ======================================= >> >> >> >> >> >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >> --------------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- >> CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without >> the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >> --------------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- >> CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without >> the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- > CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message frances heidel 皮 fradel@comcast.net Consultant - Arbonne International Wellnessnskincare.myarbonne.com 610-631-2585

1.Diocesan priests - Diocesan priests commit their lives to serving the people of a diocese, which is a church administrative region, and typically work in parishes, schools, or other Catholic institutions as assigned by the bishop of their diocese. Diocesan priests take a vow of celibacy and obedience. 2.Religious priests - Religious priests belong to a religious order such as the Dominicans, Franciscans, and Jesuits. Religious priests get their direction from their superiors within their religious order. Religious orders typically specialize in teaching or performing missionary work. In addition to taking a vow of celibacy and obedience, religious priests take a vow of poverty. Cheers Cara

I definitely don't want to be the start of any anti-religious tirade on any faith. That's not the purpose of this forum but I think that what we can learn from records like this is that neither religion had any monopoly on power grasping, evil intentions or saintly behaviour. It doesn't seem to me very likely that the workhouse chaplain was on the saintly side. That's all. This is a new notion to me that Carlow did not suffer greatly from the potato famine. Does anyone have any Carlow-specific information about that? >From what I understood the workhouse in Carlow was packed full for some reason. Tom -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Walsh Sent: 01 March 2010 18:03 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Fast and Abstinence !. Tom, Oopsies, lost the last one.  I remember as a child being told to abstain on Good Friday and Ash Wednesday, and we did as a family and a school. My wife and I still observe the rules, but we are not saints. >From what I have learned, Carlow was not touched by the potato famine as other counties because they grew beets instead of potatoes. I could be wrong about this. I am sure that most priests were pious, and observed the Lenten way. I doubt the workhouse chaplain was a fraud, but he could have been. Brian d the body of the message