Can anyone suggest how I might learn which of my g.g. grandparents received a dispensation for a marriage? I am presuming that one of the two was Protestant. Owen Cleary was from the Graigue. If he had been the Catholic I would think that they would have been married there. Since they were married in the Carlow Cathedral, should I assume that Marianne Rowe was the Catholic? Record Reads: Cleary Owen to Rowe Mary Anne Ad: Husband - Graigue.; By dispensation Yr. 1842. Thanks. Peace, Regina

In an 1806 book by Francis Plowden on the history of Ireland to the Act of Union, there is an appendix giving "a Correct List of Anti-Unionists and Unionists". Included in the list of Unionists are Sir J. Cotter R. Cotter together with a few names familiar to the list here, on both sides. Does anyone know who these Cotters were? Thanks, Bill.

Hi Bill I found a Sir James Cotter plus descendents on the net The Cotter Baronetcy, of Rockforest in the County of Cork, is a title in the Baronetage of Ireland. It was created on 11 August 1763 for James Cotter, Member of the Irish House of Commons for Askeaton. He was the son of James Cotter, of Anngrove County Cork, who was the victim of a celebrated case of judicial murder and was executed in Cork City in 1720 and the grandson of Sir James Cotter, of Anngrove, Member of the Irish Parliament for Cork and Commander-in-Chief of James II's forces in County Cork, County Limerick and County Kerry. The Cotters of Anngrove, who exhibited overt Jacobite sympathies, had been considered as the natural leaders of the Catholic community of Cork City and County Cork generally. The authorities intervened in the education of the first baronet, who was raised as a Protestant.[1] This act eliminated one of the families who formed the hereditary leadership of the Catholic community in Ireland. The first baronet's grandson, the third baronet (who succeeded his father), represented Mallow in the British House of Commons. The latter's great-grandson (the title having descended from father to son except for the fourth baronet who was succeeded by his grandson), the sixth baronet, was a Lieutenant-Colonel in the 13th/18th Regiment of the Royal Hussars and fought in the Second World War, where he was awarded the Distinguished Service Order. As of 2008 the title is held by the sixth baronet's nephew, the seventh baronet, who succeeded his uncle in 2001. He is the son of Laurence Stopford Llewellyn Cotter, younger son of the fifth baronet.   Sir James Cotter, 1st Baronet (c. 1714-1770) Sir James Laurence Cotter, 2nd Baronet (c. 1748-1829) Sir James Laurence Cotter, 3rd Baronet (c. 1787-1834) Sir James Laurence Cotter, 4th Baronet (1828-1902) Sir James Laurence Cotter, 5th Baronet (1887-1924) Sir Delaval James Alfred Cotter, 6th Baronet (1911-2001) Sir Patrick Laurence Delaval Cotter, 7th Baronet (b. 1941) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotter_Baronets --- El dom, 21/3/10, Bill Webster <wbwebster@internode.on.net> escribió: De: Bill Webster <wbwebster@internode.on.net> Asunto: [IRL-CARLOW] Cotter - Unionists 1800 Para: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Fecha: domingo, 21 de marzo, 2010 04:56 In an 1806 book by Francis Plowden on the history of Ireland to the Act of Union, there is an appendix giving "a Correct List of Anti-Unionists and Unionists". Included in the list of Unionists are Sir J. Cotter R. Cotter together with a few names familiar to the list here, on both sides.  Does anyone know who these Cotters were? Thanks, Bill. ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com  with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Regina, Just a thought, the dispensation may have been because they were related to each other and within the degrees of consanguinity which required such dispensation. For example, first cousins required such a dispensation. Regards, J. J. On 21 March 2010 02:41, <looneybrds@aol.com> wrote: > > > Can anyone suggest how I might learn which of my g.g. grandparents > received a dispensation for a marriage? I am presuming that one of the > two was Protestant. Owen Cleary was from the Graigue. If he had been the > Catholic I would think that they would have been married there. Since they > were married in the Carlow Cathedral, should I assume that Marianne Rowe was > the Catholic? Record Reads: Cleary Owen to Rowe Mary Anne Ad: Husband - > Graigue.; By dispensation Yr. 1842. Thanks. > > Peace, > Regina > > > > > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In those days, a dispensation was needed to marry a non-catholic if you were a catholic. I don't know the rule anymore but it was necessary to be "dispensed" when I was growing up in the 1940's and '50's. They were no permitted to be married inside the Church, either. You had to be married in the rectory. Thank God things have changed....I hope. Fran Devine Heidel