Interogative; I'm not sure what is being asked in the emails where they are asking for "Protection". Are they trying to escape some charges account of owning the pikes? I missed something some where and I'm not sure of the context. Thanks, Denny Carroll ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:27:18 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan (my mistake , there were "Nolans" recorded. J.C.) here is James Nolan seeking a Protection recorded in Journal of Dudley Hill, James gives very little information !. Seeking Protection: James Nolan, of Ballon, Labourer, had a pike. ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Denny I'm assuming that these were all men who were applying for protection from prosecution following the events of May 24, 1798 when the United Irishmen gathered in areas around Carlow and then attacked the town with a great loss of life as the army had been made aware that the rebels were coming and led them into a hidden trap where many were killed. These men in this list seem to have been seen with pikes in their possession that day or the pikes were found later in their possession and now they are providing their own affidavits or are providing affidavits from other upstanding citizens in support of their request for protection from prosecution. Close enough Mick? Tom -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of guscarroll@comcast.net Sent: 28 January 2010 18:55 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan Interogative; I'm not sure what is being asked in the emails where they are asking for "Protection". Are they trying to escape some charges account of owning the pikes? I missed something some where and I'm not sure of the context. Thanks, Denny Carroll ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:27:18 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan (my mistake , there were "Nolans" recorded. J.C.) here is James Nolan seeking a Protection recorded in Journal of Dudley Hill, James gives very little information !. Seeking Protection: James Nolan, of Ballon, Labourer, had a pike. ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Denny, Being Canadian, I am no expert on Irish history but, for those like Denny who may be wondering about "protection" and "pikes" here is my take on the historical context. In 1798, buoyed by the recent success of Independence movements in America (1776) and in France, there was also a Rebellion of sorts in Ireland, commonly referred to as the "Rebellion of 1798". County carlow was particularly hard hit although most of the military action seems to have been concentrated in Co. Wexford (Battle of Vinegar Hill, etc.). The French even made a landing in northwestern Ireland. To make a long story short the Rebellion failed and most of the United Irishmen were only equipped with "pikes" (a lance of sort carried by people on foot). The bearing of arms in Ireland had been strictly controlled in Ireland and very few of the common folk had firearms, hence the appearance of "pikes" on the scene, usually made by local blacksmiths. In Carlow, on an appointed day, all the "United Irishmen" (members of a secret Irish society, Catholics AND Protestants) and their leaders, many of them former yoeman (a sort of military policeman), converged on Carlow town to take the town from the military (there was also attack on Borris if my memory serves me right). The attack was to be a surprise but somehow the military were alerted beforehand and, again, to make a long story short, many of the United Irishmen were killed or trapped in burning buildings. Those who survived were offered "protection" from prosecution if they provided information, if my understanding is correct, usually the names of other United Irishmen e.g. who their captain was. In the end, I believe that many of the survivors were granted an amnesty. However, for the first few years following 1798, there seems to have been reprisals from both sides, a sort of settling of scores "outside the law". Those who took part in such actions (beatings, house burnings, etc.) were also called rebels. In my own family research I have identified I believe someone who died during this period. He is generally known to history as "Farmer Clowry" who was shot while working in his field. His tombstone in the Kellistown cemetery gives his year of death as 1800. His first name was Darby (Jeremiah) and his widow, Anne, applied for and received a Government pension around 1804 (source: Early Parliamentary papers of Ireland). My Canadian ancestor's mother was previously married to a James Clowry who lived in the same area as Farmer Clowry. I wanted to keep it short but there you have it. If anyone wants to add clarifications or make corrections jump in. However, I think that most people want to turn the page on this sad period in Irish history. Bye for now, Roger Nowlan ****************** http://nolanfamilies.org ****************** ----- Original Message ----- From: <guscarroll@comcast.net> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan > > > Interogative; I'm not sure what is being asked in the emails where they > are asking for "Protection". Are they trying to escape some charges > account of owning the pikes? I missed something some where and I'm not > sure of the context. > > Thanks, > > Denny Carroll > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:27:18 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan > > (my mistake > , there were "Nolans" recorded. J.C.) > here is James Nolan seeking a Protection recorded in Journal of Dudley > Hill, > James gives very little information !. > Seeking Protection: > James Nolan, of Ballon, Labourer, had a pike. > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Just a slight difference in my understanding, I believe a 'yoeman' or more accurately a 'yeoman' was not necessarily a type of military policeman although many in the military would have been yeomen. I'm pretty sure the term could be applied to almost anyone of the class of employed labourers and also farmers who worked their own small land holdings. >From answers.com Yeomanry: The name comes from the Middle English yeoman, meaning, loosely, a countryman of respectable standing. -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Nowlan Sent: 28 January 2010 20:37 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan - PIKES & PROTECTION explained - I hope! Denny, Being Canadian, I am no expert on Irish history but, for those like Denny who may be wondering about "protection" and "pikes" here is my take on the historical context. In 1798, buoyed by the recent success of Independence movements in America (1776) and in France, there was also a Rebellion of sorts in Ireland, commonly referred to as the "Rebellion of 1798". County carlow was particularly hard hit although most of the military action seems to have been concentrated in Co. Wexford (Battle of Vinegar Hill, etc.). The French even made a landing in northwestern Ireland. To make a long story short the Rebellion failed and most of the United Irishmen were only equipped with "pikes" (a lance of sort carried by people on foot). The bearing of arms in Ireland had been strictly controlled in Ireland and very few of the common folk had firearms, hence the appearance of "pikes" on the scene, usually made by local blacksmiths. In Carlow, on an appointed day, all the "United Irishmen" (members of a secret Irish society, Catholics AND Protestants) and their leaders, many of them former yoeman (a sort of military policeman), converged on Carlow town to take the town from the military (there was also attack on Borris if my memory serves me right). The attack was to be a surprise but somehow the military were alerted beforehand and, again, to make a long story short, many of the United Irishmen were killed or trapped in burning buildings. Those who survived were offered "protection" from prosecution if they provided information, if my understanding is correct, usually the names of other United Irishmen e.g. who their captain was. In the end, I believe that many of the survivors were granted an amnesty. However, for the first few years following 1798, there seems to have been reprisals from both sides, a sort of settling of scores "outside the law". Those who took part in such actions (beatings, house burnings, etc.) were also called rebels. In my own family research I have identified I believe someone who died during this period. He is generally known to history as "Farmer Clowry" who was shot while working in his field. His tombstone in the Kellistown cemetery gives his year of death as 1800. His first name was Darby (Jeremiah) and his widow, Anne, applied for and received a Government pension around 1804 (source: Early Parliamentary papers of Ireland). My Canadian ancestor's mother was previously married to a James Clowry who lived in the same area as Farmer Clowry. I wanted to keep it short but there you have it. If anyone wants to add clarifications or make corrections jump in. However, I think that most people want to turn the page on this sad period in Irish history. Bye for now, Roger Nowlan
Tom, Thank you for the clarification. It does help in my understanding of the events. Bye for now, Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom LaPorte" <tlaporte@mts.net> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan - PIKES & PROTECTION explained - I hope! > Just a slight difference in my understanding, I believe a 'yoeman' or more > accurately a 'yeoman' was not necessarily a type of military policeman > although many in the military would have been yeomen. I'm pretty sure the > term could be applied to almost anyone of the class of employed labourers > and also farmers who worked their own small land holdings. > >>From answers.com > Yeomanry: The name comes from the Middle English yeoman, meaning, loosely, > a > countryman of respectable standing. > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Nowlan > Sent: 28 January 2010 20:37 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan - PIKES & PROTECTION explained - I hope! > > Denny, > > Being Canadian, I am no expert on Irish history but, for those like Denny > who may be wondering about "protection" and "pikes" here is my take on the > historical context. > > In 1798, buoyed by the recent success of Independence movements in America > (1776) and in France, there was also a Rebellion of sorts in Ireland, > commonly referred to as the "Rebellion of 1798". County carlow was > particularly hard hit although most of the military action seems to have > been concentrated in Co. Wexford (Battle of Vinegar Hill, etc.). The > French > even made a landing in northwestern Ireland. > > To make a long story short the Rebellion failed and most of the United > Irishmen were only equipped with "pikes" (a lance of sort carried by > people > on foot). The bearing of arms in Ireland had been strictly controlled in > Ireland and very few of the common folk had firearms, hence the appearance > of "pikes" on the scene, usually made by local blacksmiths. > > In Carlow, on an appointed day, all the "United Irishmen" (members of a > secret Irish society, Catholics AND Protestants) and their leaders, many > of > them former yoeman (a sort of military policeman), converged on Carlow > town > to take the town from the military (there was also attack on Borris if my > memory serves me right). The attack was to be a surprise but somehow the > military were alerted beforehand and, again, to make a long story short, > many of the United Irishmen were killed or trapped in burning buildings. > Those who survived were offered "protection" from prosecution if they > provided information, if my understanding is correct, usually the names of > other United Irishmen e.g. who their captain was. > > In the end, I believe that many of the survivors were granted an amnesty. > > However, for the first few years following 1798, there seems to have been > reprisals from both sides, a sort of settling of scores "outside the law". > Those who took part in such actions (beatings, house burnings, etc.) were > also called rebels. In my own family research I have identified I believe > someone who died during this period. He is generally known to history as > "Farmer Clowry" who was shot while working in his field. His tombstone in > the Kellistown cemetery gives his year of death as 1800. His first name > was > Darby (Jeremiah) and his widow, Anne, applied for and received a > Government > pension around 1804 (source: Early Parliamentary papers of Ireland). My > Canadian ancestor's mother was previously married to a James Clowry who > lived in the same area as Farmer Clowry. > > I wanted to keep it short but there you have it. If anyone wants to add > clarifications or make corrections jump in. > However, I think that most people want to turn the page on this sad period > in Irish history. > > Bye for now, > > Roger Nowlan > > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >