Maribeth, In doing some family research this morning, as often happens, something catches my eye and I think that I may have found the grandparents of your Thomas Nolan born in 1846. In earlier notes you mentioned that the parents of your ancestor Thomas Nolan were a Michael Nolan and a "Julia Hayes". There also seemed to be some uncertainty about Thomas' mother being named Julia or Judith. However, for any of the following to make sense I must relate some of my own experience in researching my family In Canada, my ancestor "Peter Nowland", when he married gave his parents' names as "James Nowland" and "Mary Glory" (sic Clowry) of "Karlow". Through a search done by a genealogist in Ireland (before my time) it was determined that the pair in question were "James Nowlan" and "Mary Clory" (sic Clowry) of Ballon-Rathoe parish who had married there in 1793. From the written marriage record it was further established that Mary had been a Clowry widow, born a Shortall. A further search revealed that she had married a James Clowry in 1784. The key point here is that the last name for Mary in 1793, when she married my ancestor James, was that of her first husband. This too could have been the case for your ancestor Judith. It could be that when your ancestor Thomas was born in 1846 the family name for the mother was recorded as that of her first husband, let's say a John Hayes who lived in the Kiltegan area of Co. Wicklow. Her maiden name may actually have been Whelan as will soon become evident. Regarding the uncertainty about the first name of Thomas' mother, I believe that this may relate to the fact that there were two Michael's in the family, one the father and the other the son, but both with similar first names for their spouses i.e. Judith and Julia. Following this line of thinking we see that the Michael and Judith recorded in the following Rathvilly parish baptismal record may actually have been your Thomas' grandparents. (1)Record#1 Baptism of Michael 11/12.1804 , son of Michael and Judith Nolan --Tynock. [RN: This establishes the presence of a Michael & Judith Nolan in the Kiltegan area, across the border in Co. Carlow, but still close to Kiltegan] Now for my new insights/discoveries : (2) Record#2 given below establishes a link between a Judith Whelan and the Nowlan family (3) Record#3 given below establishes that a "Michael Nowlan" and "Judith Whalen" had a daughter Catherine who married in Quebec, near Quebec city, in 1847. [RN: I believe that this is the same couple Michael & Judith as in record#1] (4) Record#4 given below establishes that, in 1847, a "Judith Whalen" from the Kiltegan area went to America, after which she did not communicate with her brothers and sisters. A cousin, William Codey of Albany (Wild Bill??), was looking for her in 1861. [RN: This may have been the the same Judith Whalen as in record#1] (5) Record#5 (earlier from Maribeth) 1851/52 Griffiths Valuation: Parish of Killeshin: Town of Graigue *A Judith Nolan was leasing a house(s) at 30/31 Springhill. There was also an Anne Nolan living at 33b Springhill [RN: Anne is presumed to have been a sister-in-law of Judith. Judith is presumed to have shared the tenement with her son Michael, his wife Julia and their son Thomas; the in-laws may have had a hard time distinguishing between Judith and Julia and falsely recorded her name on her tombstone. I believe that the "Julia", wife of a Michael, who died in 186? was actually "Judith".] A strawman family tree which emerges is as follows: Michael Nolan (c1800-1878) + Judith Whelan (c1800-186?) > Thomas Nolan of Graigue > Michael Nolan + Julia Hayes >> Thomas Nolan (1846) + Agnes King >>> John James > Ann > Matthew [Maribeth: Note the two "Michael >Thomas" father-son relationships; this may have been the source of your confusion. You may have previously skipped a generation, thinking in terms of only one Michael not two!] I will leave you to crosscheck my theories with any other information you may have about your Nolan family and comment on any apparent inconsistences. You are also free to follow up on any leads suggested by the new records (#2 to #4 given below). Bye for now, Roger Nowlan http://nolanfamilies.org ******************************* P.S. As if that wasn't enough, here is yet another insight but this one requires further research. It relates to the Broughan family which appears in the Canadian marriage record for Catherine, a presumed daughter of Judith Nolan of Graigue in 1851/52 (record#4 mentioned earlier & given below). The Broughan family married into the Nowlan/Nolan family in the Ballon area as attested by the following tombstone inscription found in the Templepeter cemetery and for which I have more information: " Erected by Edward Broughan Snr in memory of his uncle Edward Nowlan Ballybromill who departed this life 5th of Dec 1887 aged 85 years Also his wife Elizabeth née Rafter who predeceased him. " The possible link to Ballon Village area brings up the possibility that Michael and Judith may have had a family link in the area. In fact they have been the same couple that was living (pre-1798) on the Ballinvalley townland just south of Ballon Village who had a son named Hugh baptized in 1795: 1795/03/00 Hugh Nowlan parents: Michael & Judith Nowlan godparents: Bryan & Ann O'Brien [RN: In the Nolan book, Ann Nowlan married to Bryan O'Brien is identified as the daughter of John "The Poet" of Ballinvalley] ************************************************************ RECORDS for further analysis (2) 1847-January-3, Arles: "Judith Whelan" as baptismal sponsor Baptism in Arles - Arl 273 1847 Jan 3 Mary Patt Shortal Cathr Nowlan Michael Mahon Judith Whelan B. linan (RN: ?? Ballylinan, Co. Carlow, near Co. Laois) (3) 1847-49: "Judith Whelan" of Kiltegan, Co. Wicklow, goes to America Missing Person's Advertisement [RN: Ad placed in Boston Pilot in 1861] MISSING PERSON'S INFORMATION Name: Judith Whelan Gender: Female Description: Brothers=Edw,Pat,James,Edw; Sisters=El,Br Home County: Wicklow Parish: Kiltegan Townland: Rathdangan,Kilamote Barony: Talbotstown Upper Poor-Law: Baltinglass Departure date: Arrival date: 47/49 SEEKING PERSON'S INFORMATION Name: William Codey Relation to missing: Cousin Residence: NY, Albany,34 Vanwoerth St. Date of advertisement:11-16-1861 Contact name: Tallon,Michael=Co Contact address: NY, Albany,34 Vanwoerth (4) 1847-March-2, near Quebec city: Daughter of "Judith Whalen" marries Marriage St-Gilles (St-Gilles-de-Beaurivage; across river from Quebec city) Catholique 2 mar-1847 William Broyan [RN: sic Broughan] adult s/o Thomas Broyan & Catherine also of [St. Ferdinand de] Halifax m. Catherine Nowlan adult d/o Michael Nowlan & Judith Whalen of [St. Ferdinand de] Halifax witnesses: James Clarik?, Basile Roy, Patrick McGerry & Thomas Sheridan

Wow...I don't know where to begin! This is all fascinating and will take me a while to figure out. Roger, I appreciate so much your taking the time to help me with your insights and information. Thank you, thank you...I will keep in touch offline on facts I uncover so you can update the Nolan family pages! ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Nowlan To: IRL-CARLOW-L@rootsweb. com Cc: Maribeth Nolan Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Maribeth's family-NOWLAN/NOLAN-HAYES-WHELAN-SHORTALL-BROUGHAN-CODEY Maribeth, In doing some family research this morning, as often happens, something catches my eye and I think that I may have found the grandparents of your Thomas Nolan born in 1846. In earlier notes you mentioned that the parents of your ancestor Thomas Nolan were a Michael Nolan and a "Julia Hayes". There also seemed to be some uncertainty about Thomas' mother being named Julia or Judith. However, for any of the following to make sense I must relate some of my own experience in researching my family In Canada, my ancestor "Peter Nowland", when he married gave his parents' names as "James Nowland" and "Mary Glory" (sic Clowry) of "Karlow". Through a search done by a genealogist in Ireland (before my time) it was determined that the pair in question were "James Nowlan" and "Mary Clory" (sic Clowry) of Ballon-Rathoe parish who had married there in 1793. From the written marriage record it was further established that Mary had been a Clowry widow, born a Shortall. A further search revealed that she had married a James Clowry in 1784. The key point here is that the last name for Mary in 1793, when she married my ancestor James, was that of her first husband. This too could have been the case for your ancestor Judith. It could be that when your ancestor Thomas was born in 1846 the family name for the mother was recorded as that of her first husband, let's say a John Hayes who lived in the Kiltegan area of Co. Wicklow. Her maiden name may actually have been Whelan as will soon become evident. Regarding the uncertainty about the first name of Thomas' mother, I believe that this may relate to the fact that there were two Michael's in the family, one the father and the other the son, but both with similar first names for their spouses i.e. Judith and Julia. Following this line of thinking we see that the Michael and Judith recorded in the following Rathvilly parish baptismal record may actually have been your Thomas' grandparents. (1)Record#1 Baptism of Michael 11/12.1804 , son of Michael and Judith Nolan --Tynock. [RN: This establishes the presence of a Michael & Judith Nolan in the Kiltegan area, across the border in Co. Carlow, but still close to Kiltegan] Now for my new insights/discoveries : (2) Record#2 given below establishes a link between a Judith Whelan and the Nowlan family (3) Record#3 given below establishes that a "Michael Nowlan" and "Judith Whalen" had a daughter Catherine who married in Quebec, near Quebec city, in 1847. [RN: I believe that this is the same couple Michael & Judith as in record#1] (4) Record#4 given below establishes that, in 1847, a "Judith Whalen" from the Kiltegan area went to America, after which she did not communicate with her brothers and sisters. A cousin, William Codey of Albany (Wild Bill??), was looking for her in 1861. [RN: This may have been the the same Judith Whalen as in record#1] (5) Record#5 (earlier from Maribeth) 1851/52 Griffiths Valuation: Parish of Killeshin: Town of Graigue *A Judith Nolan was leasing a house(s) at 30/31 Springhill. There was also an Anne Nolan living at 33b Springhill [RN: Anne is presumed to have been a sister-in-law of Judith. Judith is presumed to have shared the tenement with her son Michael, his wife Julia and their son Thomas; the in-laws may have had a hard time distinguishing between Judith and Julia and falsely recorded her name on her tombstone. I believe that the "Julia", wife of a Michael, who died in 186? was actually "Judith".] A strawman family tree which emerges is as follows: Michael Nolan (c1800-1878) + Judith Whelan (c1800-186?) > Thomas Nolan of Graigue > Michael Nolan + Julia Hayes >> Thomas Nolan (1846) + Agnes King >>> John James > Ann > Matthew [Maribeth: Note the two "Michael >Thomas" father-son relationships; this may have been the source of your confusion. You may have previously skipped a generation, thinking in terms of only one Michael not two!] I will leave you to crosscheck my theories with any other information you may have about your Nolan family and comment on any apparent inconsistences. You are also free to follow up on any leads suggested by the new records (#2 to #4 given below). Bye for now, Roger Nowlan http://nolanfamilies.org ******************************* P.S. As if that wasn't enough, here is yet another insight but this one requires further research. It relates to the Broughan family which appears in the Canadian marriage record for Catherine, a presumed daughter of Judith Nolan of Graigue in 1851/52 (record#4 mentioned earlier & given below). The Broughan family married into the Nowlan/Nolan family in the Ballon area as attested by the following tombstone inscription found in the Templepeter cemetery and for which I have more information: " Erected by Edward Broughan Snr in memory of his uncle Edward Nowlan Ballybromill who departed this life 5th of Dec 1887 aged 85 years Also his wife Elizabeth née Rafter who predeceased him. " The possible link to Ballon Village area brings up the possibility that Michael and Judith may have had a family link in the area. In fact they have been the same couple that was living (pre-1798) on the Ballinvalley townland just south of Ballon Village who had a son named Hugh baptized in 1795: 1795/03/00 Hugh Nowlan parents: Michael & Judith Nowlan godparents: Bryan & Ann O'Brien [RN: In the Nolan book, Ann Nowlan married to Bryan O'Brien is identified as the daughter of John "The Poet" of Ballinvalley] ************************************************************ RECORDS for further analysis (2) 1847-January-3, Arles: "Judith Whelan" as baptismal sponsor Baptism in Arles - Arl 273 1847 Jan 3 Mary Patt Shortal Cathr Nowlan Michael Mahon Judith Whelan B. linan (RN: ?? Ballylinan, Co. Carlow, near Co. Laois) (3) 1847-49: "Judith Whelan" of Kiltegan, Co. Wicklow, goes to America Missing Person's Advertisement [RN: Ad placed in Boston Pilot in 1861] MISSING PERSON'S INFORMATION Name: Judith Whelan Gender: Female Description: Brothers=Edw,Pat,James,Edw; Sisters=El,Br Home County: Wicklow Parish: Kiltegan Townland: Rathdangan,Kilamote Barony: Talbotstown Upper Poor-Law: Baltinglass Departure date: Arrival date: 47/49 SEEKING PERSON'S INFORMATION Name: William Codey Relation to missing: Cousin Residence: NY, Albany,34 Vanwoerth St. Date of advertisement:11-16-1861 Contact name: Tallon,Michael=Co Contact address: NY, Albany,34 Vanwoerth (4) 1847-March-2, near Quebec city: Daughter of "Judith Whalen" marries Marriage St-Gilles (St-Gilles-de-Beaurivage; across river from Quebec city) Catholique 2 mar-1847 William Broyan [RN: sic Broughan] adult s/o Thomas Broyan & Catherine also of [St. Ferdinand de] Halifax m. Catherine Nowlan adult d/o Michael Nowlan & Judith Whalen of [St. Ferdinand de] Halifax witnesses: James Clarik?, Basile Roy, Patrick McGerry & Thomas Sheridan