Hi Roger, It would be interesting. I know all this recent info is just possibilities, but its the closest I have ever come to at finding anything on James in Ireland. It was so long ago. Thank you I truly appreciate it. Barb Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network. Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell. -----Original Message----- From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> Sender: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 15:42:59 To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] LAWLOR/LAWLER in Leighlinbridge & limestoneconnection Thank you Anna for confirming the existence of a lime kiln in the Leighlinbrige area. >From a "Nolan Family" research perspective the "lime" connection has not escaped me butI still haven't figured it out. Roughly I think that a Felix Nowland of Co. Carlow may have resettled to the Mallow then the Cork area of Co. Cork in the early 1700s and seems to have been involved in lime export. If anyone on the list has come across anything related to this Felix/Philip Nowland I would be interested. Bye for now, Roger P.S: Here is a link to the company information for Clogrenane Lime headquartered in the Carlow town area http://www.irishlime.com/about.html . They produce lime under the brand name "White Rhino". I also note from the company webpage that it was founded in 1816 which would be just a few years before your Barb's ancestor James Lawlor emigrated to St. John, NB. It would be interesting to query the company about where its first lime kilns were. ----- Original Message ----- From: <annagolan@eircom.net> To: <bpattman@nbnet.nb.ca>; <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] LAWLOR/LAWLER in Leighlinbridge & limestoneconnection > the limes kilns are still very much there in a place called ballinabranagh > near leighlinbridge but on the killeshin hills side. look up WHITE RHINO > which is the trade name of the company! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bpattman@nbnet.nb.ca > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, 9 July, 2010 03:02:43 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, > Portugal > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] LAWLOR/LAWLER in Leighlinbridge & > limestoneconnection > > Wow, very interesting! James son William owned the Brookville Quarry in > East Saint John in the late eighteen hundreds. > Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network. > Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell. > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> > Sender: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 21:50:54 > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Reply-To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] LAWLOR/LAWLER in Leighlinbridge & limestone > connection > > Barb, > > In my last posting I relayed that I had found a > James Lawler, land surveyor, in Leighlinbridge in 1775. > > Seeing that your ancestor James Lawlor was a "cooper" and "lime burner" in > St. John, NB, in the early 1800s, other than the obvious fact that there > was > a James Lawlor (of age to have been father to your James) in > Leighlinbridge, > I can see further circumstancial evidence pointing to a possible > Leighlinbridge connection in the fact that there was and may still be a > lime > kiln (used to process limestone into lime) in the Leighlinbridge area in > the > early 1800s. Your ancestor James may have had previous experience with > lime > kilns before emigrating. > > Perhaps some of the Carlow locals on the list can comment on known lime > kiln > locations in Co. Carlow, past and present. > > Related to my own family research I am also interested in knowing where in > Co. Carlow limestone was "quarried" in the early 1800s. > > Bye for now, > Roger > > http://nolanfamilies.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barb Pattman" <bpattman@nbnet.nb.ca> > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Roll call LAWLOR > > >> >> Hi Roger, >> >> I did see the posting on the Carlow website. I keep going back >> to it to see if I have missed something. >> >> James was a cooper by trade here in Saint John, then a limeburner. >> I have the baptism records of all his children, born in Saint John and >> not >> one Lawlor is a >> sponsor so that is why I am assuming that he arrived here alone. >> >> I would love to know if his obituary ever made it to Carlow but that is >> another needle >> in a hay stack. James is on my Dad's side of the family. >> >> I also have Lawlor's on my Mom's side. They are not related that I can >> find. Mom's side didn't arrive >> until around 1830 supposedly from Queens Co., this is another brick wall. >> >> I'll keep reading all the emails people send and maybe someday there just >> might be a connection with >> someone. Thank you for your response, appreciate it. >> >> Barb >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Nowlan >> Sent: July-07-10 11:24 PM >> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Roll call LAWLOR >> >> Barb, >> >> I assume that you have picked up on the following >> early Lawlor baptisms from the RC Cathedral in Carlow town. >> These were recently posted to the Carlow website. >> They may be of interest: >> >> 1778 7 16 >> Charles of John and Rose Lawlor >> Micheal Lalor and Judy Hughes >> Tullow Street >> (RN: Tullow St. is in Carlow town and would be consistent with your >> family's >> >> oral tradition >> that "James was from Carlow town". >> Note also the alternate spelling "Lalor" which you may want to explore >> further.) >> >> 1779 7 11 >> Margaret of Michael and Elizabeth Lalor >> Mr Nowlan and ? >> >> With best regards, >> Roger Nowlan >> >> http://nolanfamilies.org >> >> P.S. My Canadian roots are also in New Brunswick >> - Buctouche area, NB, circa 1818. >> In 1784, the name "New Ireland" was almost adopted for New Brunswick (NB) >> and it was a very popular destination for many early Irish emigrants up >> until around 1830. >> Many moved on from NB to other destinations in Canada and the US. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barb Pattman" <bpattman@nbnet.nb.ca> >> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:23 PM >> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Roll call LAWLOR >> >> >>> Still looking for James Lawlor supposedly from Carlow town. Born about >>> 1788/89 >>> >>> Parents unknown, siblings unknown, parish unknown. Came to Saint John >>> NB >>> Canada about 1819. >>> >>> Was Roman Catholic . There is no evidence he arrived with any family >>> members that I can find. >>> >>> >>> >>> I found this info a number of years ago on the LDS website and just >>> tucked >>> it away. >>> >>> There was a James Lawlor baptized on May 31, 1789, Roman Catholic, >>> Killarney, Kerry, I >>> >>> know this isn't close to Carlow but who knows. >>> >>> Parents listed as Hugh Lawlor and Eliz Mahony. The date fits the era >>> of >>> my >>> James. Although >>> >>> none of Jame's male children born here in Saint John were named Hugh, if >>> following >>> >>> naming patterns. >>> >>> There was another son, Hugh baptized on Sept 20, 1787, same place, same >>> parents. >>> >>> I was just wondering if maybe this family went to Carlow when the >>> children >>> were >>> >>> very young and this is where being from Carlow came from. Also >>> wondering >>> if >>> someone >>> >>> else has claimed this family as their ancestor. 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