The naturalization paper was a true copy made in 1902 or thereabouts of the original 1866 document. It wasn't in the place I expected to find it, so I've taken very quick skims through other boxes, and I'm going to have to take slow, methodical perusings. I did, however, come up with the findings of the Carlow Genealogy Project in Carlow with a cover letter dated 15 October 2001. [It begins, "I wish to sympathise with you over the terrible tragedies which occurred in your country last month."] There are printouts covering baptismal records of Michael Coleman, 9 Oct 1805, Rathvilly; Edward Coleman, 13 July 1810, Rathvilly; Mary Coleman, 13 Apr 1835, Hacketstown; Henry Coleman, 27 Aug 1837, Hacketstown; Henry Coleman, 22 Apr 1839, Hacketstown; William Coleman, 13 Mar 1842, Hacketstown; Michael Coleman, 8 June 1845, Hacketstown; Patrick Coleman, 1 Jul 1848, Hacketstown; Tracy Cowman, 23 Apr 1837, Tullow; Margaret Coleman, 22 Sept 1839, Tullow; Bridget Coman, 6 Jan 1846, Tullow; Anne Cowman, 7 Jul 1844; Patrick Cowman, 5 Apr 1846, Tullow; Nicholas Cowman, 16 Apr 1848, Tullow; Michael Cowman, 29 Apr 1850, Tullow; James Cowman, 11 Jul 1852. There is also an apology for not finding an exact match. Patrick Coleman of Hacketstown's father was named Edward; his mother's maiden name was Elizabeth Mulhall. That reminds me that my third cousin who supplied me in 2005 with my mother's family's information gave Patrick's mother's last name as Mullnoure. I suppose he looked at the death certificate in Baltimore, and that is what he read off it. Some months ago I asked the researchers at the Irish Genealogical Society International what they found in their records, and they had never heard of Mullnoure as an Irish surname, but Mullanour was a Townland in Co. Wexford. I have 4 Apr 1848 in the old family Bible, unidentified; my third cousin, probably examining the death certificate, lists 27 Apr 1848 as Patrick's birth date. I don't believe it was the custom among Irish Catholics to wait more than two months to baptize a newborn child, but of course we don't know the circumstances. Here is another straw I'm grasping at that seems to fit: my late aunt said that Patrick told her that he came over with his brother Michael. Michael went to Philadelphia, and Patrick to Baltimore. They didn't keep in touch. I notice that this list includes a Michael Coleman, baptized 8 Jun 1845. I have never found anyone on ships' passenger lists named Patrick or Michael Comen/Coman between 1850 and 1870. Maybe I should have tried Coleman. What do you think? Is it possible that I've been sitting on this information more than nine years and not recognized what I had? Comments welcome from anyone and everyone. Maurice ----Original Message----- From: Sue Clement <sneirish@comcast.net> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2010 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Comen / Comyn / Cumming / Cummins.... Hi Maurice, have been going through my files and notes and database of Carlow Cummins, omen, etc. There are seemingly hundreds of Patricks who match the pproximate birth date. We would need to have a bit more info to perhaps arrow it down. I looked at the census records where I could find him in altimore, and they indicate that he came to the US in 1862 and was aturalized in 1866. You have a copy of the naturalization papers - Was the nly witness his father-in-law; usually there were two. Did he have any lose associates or friends in Baltimore? It would not be unlikely that he ent to live where previous relatives or neighbors had already immigrated nd formed something of a community. In viewing the census records, I noted that his oldest son was named John. rish tradition has it that generally the eldest son is named for the aternal grandfather. Do you know why the other researcher believes the ather's name to be Patrick? In my own personal experience, most children baptized pre-famine in Ireland id not have a double forename, such as Patrick James. So I don't think it ould help to look specifically and exclusively for that. I can tell you for sure that the CUMMINS who lived in Carlow Town did not LL move away to Tipperary. They were still there well into the 1900s, and I elieve there are still some living in the area. If the name was pecifically restricted to Comen, then I cannot say for sure, as I don't hink I have seen that specific name in Carlow town. At least one family of ummins of Carlow town moved there from Tinryland, just to the north. But here are Cummins, Commins, Cowman, and an endless number of variations in very Catholic parish in Co. Carlow. If you have any information that might elp to narrow the search, let me know. Since he was probably Catholic, I ould leave the more obviously English spellings of Cummings and Cuming out f your search. Again from my own experience, it was unlikely that Patrick hanged his surname on the ship. There are lots of misconceptions about hat. It was generally done on arrival, and was much more common among on-English language immigrants. Although, granted some brogues were ifficult to understand, Carlovians mostly spoke English, and the education evel of the average Irish Catholic was quite good and most could read and rite. If he did change his name it was more likely to escape or avoid some riminal charge, whether founded or not. Well, enough for now. Let me know if you can offer any other clarification. Sue Clement ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cummins/index.htm