Kristian is lucky as "Deere" is unusual surname in Carlow area and is traceable to the same family lineage from about 1790s, and possibly in Killeshin area prior to that. members of the family continue to live in Carlow to the present day. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:52 PM, frances heidel <fradel@comcast.net> wrote: > Kristian, Sounds like a lot of interesting information to me. Can't > get over the fact that you traced back to 1700's. I'm pedalling as > fast as I can and not getting back before 1800's.....especially in > Tyrone, my father's side. Much better results on my mother's side > in Carlow. > Kristian, where are you living now? Is that a Dutch name? > On Jun 8, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Kristian Märkus wrote: > > > Good evening all, > > > > With thanks to Mick Purcell I have managed to trace a line in my > > family tree > > to the late 1700's to two brothers; John Dear and Thomas Dear, the > > latter > > from which I descend and who married a Judith Dunne. I imagine the > > brothers > > were born c1775 or earlier. > > > > Information I have to date (Source: Carlow Heritage Society/Clayton- > > Browne > > Papers/Mick Purcell): > > > > There is a Judith Dunne listed at Raheenwood, Old Leighlin, in > > Griffith's > > Valuations 1852 as renting 'Houses, and Land' from Anne Vigors and > > Sisters. > > Land area listed as follows: A=2 R=1 r=29. Cost of land rent IR£1. > > House > > rent is 5 shillings making total, IR£1 and 5 shillings. This may be > > the same > > Judith Dunne who married Thomas. If so, he may have passed away by > > this > > point, if this was the home that he and his wife settled in. > > > > Extract from Browne-Clayton Papers: > > 'Kallender of Prisoners in Custody Newton, Esquire, High Sheriff of > > Carlow, > > 6th day of October 1796. > > Edward Byrne fined two marks and to give Security to be of the > > Peace for > > seven years. > > John Rourke guilty of assault, fined one mark (13 shillings and 4 > > pence) and > > then discharged. > > Thomas Deer found guilty of two assaults and to be imprisoned for a > > fortnight, fined six pence.' > > This also tells us Thomas was a blacksmith. > > > > Following the 1798 rebellion men in the area made the statements > > such as the > > following made by Thomas (records found in UK by, and held by, Mick > > Purcell): > > 'Thomas Deer of Bridewell Lane, Dealer, Sworn by his brother John > > Deer of > > Cockpit lane, had a pike and gave to Mr. Nowland the priest and > > requires a > > protection.' > > > > Thomas's son James raised his own family on Pollerton Road, but I > > would like > > to find out where his father Thomas and uncle James were born. I > > have a > > feeling it may be Killeshin. I may be wrong. I am at a dead end at > > this > > point and so far have been unable to find out who the parents of > > Thomas and > > John are. > > > > Can anyone point me in the right direction, offer some suggestions? > > > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Kristian > > ======================================= > > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > > --------------------------------------- > > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- > > CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I missed that....thanks to you, Kristian says. On Jun 8, 2010, at 5:10 PM, michael purcell wrote: > Kristian is lucky as "Deere" is unusual surname in Carlow area > and is traceable to the same family lineage from about 1790s, > and possibly in Killeshin area prior to that. > members of the family continue to live in Carlow to the present day. > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:52 PM, frances heidel <fradel@comcast.net> > wrote: > >> Kristian, Sounds like a lot of interesting information to me. Can't >> get over the fact that you traced back to 1700's. I'm pedalling as >> fast as I can and not getting back before 1800's.....especially in >> Tyrone, my father's side. Much better results on my mother's side >> in Carlow. >> Kristian, where are you living now? Is that a Dutch name? >> On Jun 8, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Kristian Märkus wrote: >> >>> Good evening all, >>> >>> With thanks to Mick Purcell I have managed to trace a line in my >>> family tree >>> to the late 1700's to two brothers; John Dear and Thomas Dear, the >>> latter >>> from which I descend and who married a Judith Dunne. I imagine the >>> brothers >>> were born c1775 or earlier. >>> >>> Information I have to date (Source: Carlow Heritage Society/Clayton- >>> Browne >>> Papers/Mick Purcell): >>> >>> There is a Judith Dunne listed at Raheenwood, Old Leighlin, in >>> Griffith's >>> Valuations 1852 as renting 'Houses, and Land' from Anne Vigors and >>> Sisters. >>> Land area listed as follows: A=2 R=1 r=29. Cost of land rent IR£1. >>> House >>> rent is 5 shillings making total, IR£1 and 5 shillings. This may be >>> the same >>> Judith Dunne who married Thomas. If so, he may have passed away by >>> this >>> point, if this was the home that he and his wife settled in. >>> >>> Extract from Browne-Clayton Papers: >>> 'Kallender of Prisoners in Custody Newton, Esquire, High Sheriff of >>> Carlow, >>> 6th day of October 1796. >>> Edward Byrne fined two marks and to give Security to be of the >>> Peace for >>> seven years. >>> John Rourke guilty of assault, fined one mark (13 shillings and 4 >>> pence) and >>> then discharged. >>> Thomas Deer found guilty of two assaults and to be imprisoned for a >>> fortnight, fined six pence.' >>> This also tells us Thomas was a blacksmith. >>> >>> Following the 1798 rebellion men in the area made the statements >>> such as the >>> following made by Thomas (records found in UK by, and held by, Mick >>> Purcell): >>> 'Thomas Deer of Bridewell Lane, Dealer, Sworn by his brother John >>> Deer of >>> Cockpit lane, had a pike and gave to Mr. Nowland the priest and >>> requires a >>> protection.' >>> >>> Thomas's son James raised his own family on Pollerton Road, but I >>> would like >>> to find out where his father Thomas and uncle James were born. I >>> have a >>> feeling it may be Killeshin. I may be wrong. I am at a dead end at >>> this >>> point and so far have been unable to find out who the parents of >>> Thomas and >>> John are. >>> >>> Can anyone point me in the right direction, offer some suggestions? >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Kristian >>> ======================================= >>> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >>> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >>> --------------------------------------- >>> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- >>> CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the >>> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe >> to the List. Its FREE! >> --------------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> "subscribe" (without the >> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- > CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message