Ha! It wouldn't surprise me a bit to find that my great-grandfather changed his name because of a dispute with someone else in the family. I've taken a quick look at the website, but haven't really studied it yet. Thanks. Maurice -----Original Message----- From: Cummings, Michael <Michael.Cummings@albanycounty.com> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:34 am Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Comen / Comyn / Cumming / Cummins.... As it is I've a lot of branches to this tree without any leaves and a few that re broken.... but what the hell... a few more won't make it any prettier!! ost of my Cummins never seem to get out of the Northeast but there is the outine reference in Cummins folklore to the dispute which usually sends someone ff to God knows where never to be heard from again. Mick...not Purcell ichael J. Cummings, Director lbany County Civil Service 12 State Street lbany, New York 12207 18-447-4802 _______________________________________ rom: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On ehalf Of sneirish@comcast.net [sneirish@comcast.net] ent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:48 PM o: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Comen / Comyn / Cumming / Cummins.... By all means, Mick, you can refer him to the Carlow Cummins website, and to me irectly. You know I always love a new Cummins challenge! In the meantime, I'll tart digging around my notes. ue http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cummins/ ---- Original Message ----- rom: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> o: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com ent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:03:11 AM ubject: [IRL-CARLOW] Comen / Comyn / Cumming / Cummins.... By airmail today from Maurice Bursey, of Chapel Hill, North Carolina -sharing this enquiy with you all, I believe the surname may be Comyn or umming..(even Cummins ?), explained to Maurice that there is no charge for any assistance we can ive. I have asked Michael to subscribe Maurice to the List, ======================================= efore you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to he List. Its FREE! -------------------------------------- o subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to RL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) n the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message Confidentiality Notice: This fax/e-mail transmission, with accompanying ecords, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain onfidential and/or privileged information belonging to the sender, including individually dentifiable health information subject to the privacy and security provisions of HIPAA. This information may e protected by pertinent privilege(s), e.g., attorney-client, doctor-patient, HIPAA etc., hich will be enforced to the fullest extent of the law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are ereby notified that any examination, analysis, disclosure, copying, dissemination, distribution, haring, or use of the information in this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received his message and associated documents in error, please notify the sender immediately for nstructions. If this message was received by e-mail, please delete the original message. ======================================= efore you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to he List. Its FREE! -------------------------------------- o subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to RL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) n the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hi Maurice, I have been going through my files and notes and database of Carlow Cummins, Comen, etc. There are seemingly hundreds of Patricks who match the approximate birth date. We would need to have a bit more info to perhaps narrow it down. I looked at the census records where I could find him in Baltimore, and they indicate that he came to the US in 1862 and was naturalized in 1866. You have a copy of the naturalization papers - Was the only witness his father-in-law; usually there were two. Did he have any close associates or friends in Baltimore? It would not be unlikely that he went to live where previous relatives or neighbors had already immigrated and formed something of a community. In viewing the census records, I noted that his oldest son was named John. Irish tradition has it that generally the eldest son is named for the paternal grandfather. Do you know why the other researcher believes the father's name to be Patrick? In my own personal experience, most children baptized pre-famine in Ireland did not have a double forename, such as Patrick James. So I don't think it would help to look specifically and exclusively for that. I can tell you for sure that the CUMMINS who lived in Carlow Town did not ALL move away to Tipperary. They were still there well into the 1900s, and I believe there are still some living in the area. If the name was specifically restricted to Comen, then I cannot say for sure, as I don't think I have seen that specific name in Carlow town. At least one family of Cummins of Carlow town moved there from Tinryland, just to the north. But there are Cummins, Commins, Cowman, and an endless number of variations in every Catholic parish in Co. Carlow. If you have any information that might help to narrow the search, let me know. Since he was probably Catholic, I would leave the more obviously English spellings of Cummings and Cuming out of your search. Again from my own experience, it was unlikely that Patrick changed his surname on the ship. There are lots of misconceptions about that. It was generally done on arrival, and was much more common among non-English language immigrants. Although, granted some brogues were difficult to understand, Carlovians mostly spoke English, and the education level of the average Irish Catholic was quite good and most could read and write. If he did change his name it was more likely to escape or avoid some criminal charge, whether founded or not. Well, enough for now. Let me know if you can offer any other clarification. Sue Clement http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cummins/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mauricebursey@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:21 PM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Comen / Comyn / Cumming / Cummins.... Ha! It wouldn't surprise me a bit to find that my great-grandfather changed his name because of a dispute with someone else in the family. I've taken a quick look at the website, but haven't really studied it yet. Thanks. Maurice -----Original Message----- From: Cummings, Michael <Michael.Cummings@albanycounty.com> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 9:34 am Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Comen / Comyn / Cumming / Cummins.... As it is I've a lot of branches to this tree without any leaves and a few that re broken.... but what the hell... a few more won't make it any prettier!! ost of my Cummins never seem to get out of the Northeast but there is the outine reference in Cummins folklore to the dispute which usually sends someone ff to God knows where never to be heard from again. Mick...not Purcell ichael J. Cummings, Director lbany County Civil Service 12 State Street lbany, New York 12207 18-447-4802 _______________________________________ rom: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On ehalf Of sneirish@comcast.net [sneirish@comcast.net] ent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:48 PM o: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Comen / Comyn / Cumming / Cummins.... By all means, Mick, you can refer him to the Carlow Cummins website, and to me irectly. You know I always love a new Cummins challenge! In the meantime, I'll tart digging around my notes. ue http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cummins/ ---- Original Message ----- rom: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> o: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com ent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:03:11 AM ubject: [IRL-CARLOW] Comen / Comyn / Cumming / Cummins.... By airmail today from Maurice Bursey, of Chapel Hill, North Carolina -sharing this enquiy with you all, I believe the surname may be Comyn or umming..(even Cummins ?), explained to Maurice that there is no charge for any assistance we can ive. I have asked Michael to subscribe Maurice to the List, ======================================= efore you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to he List. Its FREE! -------------------------------------- o subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to RL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) n the Subject box. 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If you have received his message and associated documents in error, please notify the sender immediately for nstructions. If this message was received by e-mail, please delete the original message. ======================================= efore you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to he List. Its FREE! -------------------------------------- o subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to RL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) n the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. 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