Mick, This is a great transcription. Would this have been essentially a citizen's arrest? I wonder what happened to Ann. Did she get the evidence/backup she wanted or was there fowl play involved. Many thanks again. Trevor -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Purcell Sent: 06 June 2013 18:38 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Clowry+Holmes 1854. Carlow Sentinel. March 1854. Fowl Stealing. Anne Holmes was brought to court charged by Martin Clowry with having fowl in her possession which he suspected her to have stolen. He met her coming from Church Lane at Staplestown with four hens under her cloak, he thought they might be stolen and took her to McQuaides, where there was a great number of hens, the girl at McQuaides counted the hens and found that five had been taken away but those in the possession of Ann Holmes did not belong to McQuaide. On being asked by the judge where she got the four hens, she replied they were now hers and she had detailed the facts to Mr Tuckey, she knew he would tell the judges but that she was ashamed to tell the circumstances under which she got them as she could not bring herself to speak out while so many people were in court, some of them peasantry who knew nothing, and others of another class whose heads were full of knowledge ( the court fell into laughter ). She was remanded in custody for a week until the person from whom she said she received the fowl should be written to. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3199/6396 - Release Date: 06/09/13

Hi Mick, Thanks for this transcription. I believe that the Maher mentioned here was a Patrick Maher who married Anne Clowry. Seen in this photo: http://url.ie/hkhm I'm not entirely sure who the John Clowry is. I don't believe it is a brother of Anne Clowry. Perhaps Ronnie Shorten might be able to shed some light on it. Thanks, Trevor -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Purcell Sent: 06 June 2013 18:53 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Clowry+Crawford on suspicion 1854. [ noted added 2013, recently met some people in Carlow Library researching Constable George Crawford, I hope they spot this ]. Carlow Sentinel . Feb 1854. Sub-Constable George Crawford arrested John Clowry on suspicion of robbery of a gun, a powder horn and shot pouch, together with several articles of wearing apparel from a farmer named Nicholas Blanchfield who resides at Coonogue, in the Barony of Lower St Mullins, Carlow. Clowry was brought to a farmer named Smith at Grangeford where a portion of the clothes were recovered, on the following day at a place called Crush, in the Parish of Myshall the gun was recovered at the house of a man named Maher and since then the horn and pouch was recovered. Much credit is due to Sub-Constable George Crawford for the zeal and activity displayed not only on this, but several other occasions. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3199/6396 - Release Date: 06/09/13

Great find Mick, Here is a similar advert from an English Newspaper for the same company. http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/9/93/Im1910Pa-RDJBF.jpg The company R.D. & J. B. Fraser became a furniture emporium which burned down in 1912. http://ipswich-lettering.org/princesst.html Furniture and dentistry? - Maybe they had a suite tooth! Trevor -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Purcell Sent: 27 May 2013 18:37 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Teeth wanted 1901. Carlow Sentinel. 1901. OLD FALSE TEETH BOUGHT -- Many people have old or disused false teeth. Send your teeth to R.D. & J. B. Fraser, Ltd. Princes St. Ipswich ( Established. 1833 ) , and they will remit the upmost value by return post, or make you best offer. Largest and oldest buyers of old false teeth in the world. [ note added 2013 - they may have gone out of business. ] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6362 - Release Date: 05/27/13

emails of a personal nature intended for Michael Purcell should not be sent to carlowmike@gmail.com. Two or three of us have the password to this account from which we post transcriptions etc. We do our best but sometimes emails addressed to Mick can get lost. Due to hand injury Mike does not type at present. On 22 May 2013 08:39, jean casey <kildaregenealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > Fantastic Mike big thanks to you. What is the lecture in Trinity about ? I > will be in National Archives this morning maybe we could meet, Jean > > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Michael Purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Jean, we have good tickets and your in the pot, we have also negotiated a > > good deal with the Gibson Hotel,............. > > Leonard and co are staying in their usual place but the Gibson is > > a plastic-cup throw from the 02 entrance. > > He will be performing at least three concerts and possibly a 4th added > on > > Sunday night. > > > > On 17 May 2013 19:57, jean casey <kildaregenealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi Mike, have you received ticket allocations for Leonard Cohen > September > > > concerts in the 02, if you have remember to hold two good ones for me > > > again, thanks, Jean > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Carlow Sentinel 1835 Robbery by a soldier. Charles Halford, a soldier was charged with stealing a gold ring, the property of Mr Woods, of Tullow Street, Jeweller. Mrs Sarah Woods stated :- I reside in Tullow Street ; the prisoner came into the shop to buy a gold ring and after he examined it he exchanged it for a brass ring and left the shop. Captain Chambers, 46th Regiment, produced the ring and it was identified by Sarah Woods. It had been found by a sergeant and corporal of the 46th on the prisoner's person. The prisoner, Charles Halford pleaded intoxication for his conduct. The Chief Justice considered intoxication no justification whatever. The prisoner was found guilty , and sentenced to six months imprisonment and hard labour.

Thank you Mike for the bit about Philip Germaine and the tithe wars in 1832. It's interesting to see how three different reports of the same incident vary. (Maybe history IS bunk!) The Carlow Sentinel reports it as virtually a non-event involving some 5000 people. However a letter from Edward Dwyer to Daniel O'Connell dated May 27 1832 describes how between 40 to 50 thousand people had assembled for the auction in an orderly and sober manner under the leadership of their clergy, but not one bid for the cattle was received, which were then returned home to Mr Germaine. The third version is from Philip Germaine himself, recorded in an interview in the Freeman's Journal, January 18, 1886. He says there were at least 500 military and police under arms guarding the cattle. "Immense crowds congregated at the seizure and the sale" which was to pay the tithe charge of £1100 per year, and which "I could not admit was a just debt". Afterwards "Fully three thousand people assembled on my farm and cheered and blew horns, and the mountains were covered with bonfires to give me encouragement". Cheers Kaye Cole > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 11:58:31 +0100 > From: Michael Purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Philip Germaine 1832 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAKqwSs5ah3D=kHR4XN_HJGGE2rCeVFhTUZV=vcTSXQeCH8ZUzg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Carlow Sentinel. > May, 1832. > TITHES --- Mr Philip Germaine's Cattle. > It having been ascertained that Mr Butler, the sub-Sheriff of Carlow, > intended to seize upon cattle of Philip Germaine of Rathvilly for > non-payment of tithes, upwards of five thousand persons assembled from > counties of Wicklow, Kildare and Carlow, to witness the auction. > All business at this busy season was suspended ; numbers poured into > Baltinglass and Rathvilly to accompany the cattle to Carlow. > Fortunately, however, probably for the public peace, the Sheriff > relinquished his intention of seizing the cattle during the present > excited > state of the public mind. >

Pat Purcell Papers. 1797. The Examination of Margaret McDaniel of the Town of Carlow taken before Samuel Carpenter, Esquire, one of his Majestys Justices of the Peace for Carlow. Margaret McDaniel being duly sworn on the Holy Evangelists and Examined saith that on the Evening of Saturday the 11th November 1797 she went to the Hall of the Gentlemen's Assembly Room in Burrin Street in Carlow on her lawful occasions~~~~~~~ and that she was then and there Violently Assaulted, Beaten, Battered and several times so Maliciously Knocked down by Thomas Church of Burrin Street that she was put in danger of her life by him ~~~~ and that Thomas Church did after so Abusing her return to his House and did the second time assault, beat and batter Margaret McDaniel with a Scabbard of a Sword, [ ? ] and Trampled her in the Channel and that were it not for the Interference of Mr Bernard Rudkin he certainly would have proceeded further in the assault. ( signed ) Margaret, her X mark, McDaniel, being first truly read to her before signing. Sworn before me the 17th November 1797 (signed) Samuel Carpenter.

Turtle Bunbury has a particular interest in Philip Germaine but Turtle is busy for the next week or two as participant in the Carlow Arts Festival and with his role as curator of the History Festival of Ireland, I expect we will hear from him when things quieten down. Kaye, I sent email to James Shannon at the email address you provided but have had no reply, was that the correct address ?. On 8 June 2013 09:32, Kaye Cole <kayecole@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Thank you Mike for the bit about Philip Germaine and the tithe wars in > 1832. > It's interesting to see how three different reports of the same incident > vary. (Maybe history IS bunk!) The Carlow Sentinel reports it as virtually > a > non-event involving some 5000 people. However a letter from Edward Dwyer to > Daniel O'Connell dated May 27 1832 describes how between 40 to 50 thousand > people had assembled for the auction in an orderly and sober manner under > the leadership of their clergy, but not one bid for the cattle was > received, > which were then returned home to Mr Germaine. The third version is from > Philip Germaine himself, recorded in an interview in the Freeman's Journal, > January 18, 1886. He says there were at least 500 military and police under > arms guarding the cattle. "Immense crowds congregated at the seizure and > the > sale" which was to pay the tithe charge of £1100 per year, and which "I > could not admit was a just debt". Afterwards "Fully three thousand people > assembled on my farm and cheered and blew horns, and the mountains were > covered with bonfires to give me encouragement". > > Cheers > Kaye Cole > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 11:58:31 +0100 > > From: Michael Purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Philip Germaine 1832 > > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: > > <CAKqwSs5ah3D=kHR4XN_HJGGE2rCeVFhTUZV=vcTSXQeCH8ZUzg@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Carlow Sentinel. > > May, 1832. > > TITHES --- Mr Philip Germaine's Cattle. > > It having been ascertained that Mr Butler, the sub-Sheriff of Carlow, > > intended to seize upon cattle of Philip Germaine of Rathvilly for > > non-payment of tithes, upwards of five thousand persons assembled from > > counties of Wicklow, Kildare and Carlow, to witness the auction. > > All business at this busy season was suspended ; numbers poured into > > Baltinglass and Rathvilly to accompany the cattle to Carlow. > > Fortunately, however, probably for the public peace, the Sheriff > > relinquished his intention of seizing the cattle during the present > > excited > > state of the public mind. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Carlow Sentinel. May, 1832. TITHES --- Mr Philip Germaine's Cattle. It having been ascertained that Mr Butler, the sub-Sheriff of Carlow, intended to seize upon cattle of Philip Germaine of Rathvilly for non-payment of tithes, upwards of five thousand persons assembled from counties of Wicklow, Kildare and Carlow, to witness the auction. All business at this busy season was suspended ; numbers poured into Baltinglass and Rathvilly to accompany the cattle to Carlow. Fortunately, however, probably for the public peace, the Sheriff relinquished his intention of seizing the cattle during the present excited state of the public mind.

Carlow Sentinel. May 1832, Thomas Nolan. Died on 6th May 1832 at his residence in Ballon, aged 66 years. He was a gentleman universally beloved for his benevolence and amiable disposition, as affectionate parent, and in all his commercial intercourse, which was most extensive during half a century, a man of high credit and strict integrity. He is deservedly regretted by the poor and industrious classes of that neighbourhood.

Nationalist and Leinster Times. January 1906. Mr Patrick Mangan. It is with much regret we record the death after a brief illness, of Mr Patrick Mangan, Coal Market House, Carlow, which sad event occurred at Coal Market House in the early morning of the first day of the New Year. Deceased was the second surviving son of the late Mr Martin Mangan, who built up an extensive and prosperous business as corn buyer and maltster, and whose enterprise and probity during a long and active life, reflected credit on the town. The subject of our obituary inherited the commercial instincts which made his father's name so well known throughout the province. He was a genial and well-informed citizen, an affectionate husband and father, and a good friend. Nine priests celebrated High Mass and Office in the Cathedral. The chief mourners were -- James Mangan ( brother ), Masters Martin and Patrick Mangan, ( sons ), Misses Josephine, Bride, Bess, Cathleen ( daughters ), Bride Kearney, ( niece ). Wreaths were sent by the following :- "In loving remembrance of dearest papa" from "Joe". " In fond remembrance from his sorrowing family". "With Ciss Scully's deepest sympathy" " With heartfelt sympathy from T.J. Schummacher" [ note added 2013 - Josephine was engaged to T. J. Schummacher, he was manager of Boake's Drapery shop in Burrin Street, ( he was held responsible for Boakes fire 1st October 1906 ) Josephine later married Dr. Blakney from Roscommon. ]

Thank You Mick, As added information regarding this "Tom Nolan", here is a summary of his will made in 1827 and posted earlier on this list. ****************************** 1827 - Will of Thomas Nolan senior of Ballon (deceased 1832) In the will dated April 20, 1827, Thomas Nolan of Ballon names Rev. Peter Nowlan of Carlow as executor and, after his death on June 12, 1832, according to his will, his worldly possessions were distributed to 5 sons, Richard, Thomas, Patrick, Michael and John, as follows: [RN: Rev. Peter Nowlan was a Nolan from the Kilkey townland and was buried in the old Ballon cemetery.] 1)Richard received: * his leasehold on lands of Ballinadrum owned by James Leckey *bulloc cows & two horses *the shell of a house to be built on the named lands out of testor's [monies?] 2)Thomas received: *his leasehold on lands in Myshall owned by Mr? Baggott *300 Irish pounds being held by Mr? Baggott, but which need not be released for another 3 years 3)Patrick received: *his leasehold on lands in "Kiletheen" (?) owned by James Leckey *10 cows, 2 horses *100 Irish pounds now on loan to another son, Michael, (who has up to 4 years to repay the loan) 4)Michael received: *his lands (not a leasehold!), dwelling house and out offices in Ballon *his stock and merchandise in said house & offices NOTE:Receipt of the above was subject to an annuity of 10 Irish pounds to be paid for life to his wife [RN: Could this have been “Leiney” mentioned in an 1820s Tithe Applotment record for the Killane townland? “Thomas & Leiney Nowlan”.] 5)John received: *his leasehold on lands and premises managed by "the Representatives of the late Rev. James Couran" [RN: Conran?] *his leasehold on lands of "Garryonouge" (?) owned by James O'Brien *his leasehold on lands of "Coneberry" (sic Cunaberry) owned by the late Robert Marshall *14 cows, 2 horses *100 Irish pounds to be paid in 4 years by his son Michael ************************* Bye for now and thanks again for your efforts, Roger http://nolanfamilies.org -----Original Message----- From: Michael Purcell Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:46 AM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1832 Tom Nolan Carlow Sentinel. May 1832, Thomas Nolan. Died on 6th May 1832 at his residence in Ballon, aged 66 years. He was a gentleman universally beloved for his benevolence and amiable disposition, as affectionate parent, and in all his commercial intercourse, which was most extensive during half a century, a man of high credit and strict integrity. He is deservedly regretted by the poor and industrious classes of that neighbourhood. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, thanks Trevor. That was the transcribed place but there was a dot as if an i might be involved, the writing was not the best and I was not previously aware of a Shirley family around there. Clowater it is. Thanks for your help. Bill -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Trevor Clowry Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2013 7:35 PM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1883 Lorum marriage Brown to Shirley Hi Bill, I presume it's this person here: http://bit.ly/12ubTCS It looks like the place of residence is Clowater. The distance from Lorum to Clowater is 3.8km... See: http://goo.gl/maps/IXLXz Thanks, Trevor -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: 06 June 2013 06:46 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1883 Lorum marriage Brown to Shirley At the irishgenealogy address below is recorded the marriage at Lorum in 1883 of James Thomas Brown of what appears to be Woodlands Parish of Castledermot Co Kildare, son of John George Brown, Farmer, to Mary Shirley, dau of Francis Shirley, Farmer. Witnesses appear to be William Ashmore and Jane Shirley. I cannot be sure of Mary's place of residence and would appreciate the help of locals. Is it near Lorum? Anyone know this family? Thank you. Bill http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/94664300242 26 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

if you have any senior citizens there from Graigue..............please visit our facebook page...........Graiguecullen Carlow (Laois for those who prefer it) and enjoy all the photographs on there............Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlow Senior Citizens" <carlowsc@gmail.com> To: "irl-carlow" <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 6 June, 2013 8:28:24 PM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Thank you all. This is a Marvelous site, so much information, so little time !. Thanks to the two Michaels and to all who continue to subscribe to this website. All of us at Carlow Senior Citizens Association Centre will have great fun searching for information on Carlow's past. >From all at the O'Brien Centre, Dublin Road, Carlow. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Marvelous site, so much information, so little time !. Thanks to the two Michaels and to all who continue to subscribe to this website. All of us at Carlow Senior Citizens Association Centre will have great fun searching for information on Carlow's past. >From all at the O'Brien Centre, Dublin Road, Carlow.

Carlow Sentinel. Died - February 15th 1854 at Hanover near Carlow, after a short illness Robert McDowell, aged 46 years, leaving an afflicted wife and eleven young children. [ a daughter was born 3 months later on 29th April 1854 ]. He died in perfect peace, trusting alone in the merits of his Saviour. The deceased was Governor of Carlow Gaol during the period of 24 years, and we learn with regret, that his family are unprovided for. THE FAMILY OF THE LATE MR. McDOWELL. [ abbreviated extract from appeal ]. We beg to call the earnest attention of our readers in reference to the widow and numerous young family of the late Robert McDowell. We feel that in so doing , we have only to recommend to the benevolent and humane of Carlow, the utterly helpless and painfully destitute condition of a widowed mother and eleven children without the slightest means of support. We need not remind our readers that the late Mr McDowell has been for 24 years a public officer of this county. We express a hope that a few kind friends will form a committee for the purpose of taking the matter into consideration etc. etc.

[ noted added 2013, recently met some people in Carlow Library researching Constable George Crawford, I hope they spot this ]. Carlow Sentinel . Feb 1854. Sub-Constable George Crawford arrested John Clowry on suspicion of robbery of a gun, a powder horn and shot pouch, together with several articles of wearing apparel from a farmer named Nicholas Blanchfield who resides at Coonogue, in the Barony of Lower St Mullins, Carlow. Clowry was brought to a farmer named Smith at Grangeford where a portion of the clothes were recovered, on the following day at a place called Crush, in the Parish of Myshall the gun was recovered at the house of a man named Maher and since then the horn and pouch was recovered. Much credit is due to Sub-Constable George Crawford for the zeal and activity displayed not only on this, but several other occasions.

Carlow Sentinel. March 1854. Fowl Stealing. Anne Holmes was brought to court charged by Martin Clowry with having fowl in her possession which he suspected her to have stolen. He met her coming from Church Lane at Staplestown with four hens under her cloak, he thought they might be stolen and took her to McQuaides, where there was a great number of hens, the girl at McQuaides counted the hens and found that five had been taken away but those in the possession of Ann Holmes did not belong to McQuaide. On being asked by the judge where she got the four hens, she replied they were now hers and she had detailed the facts to Mr Tuckey, she knew he would tell the judges but that she was ashamed to tell the circumstances under which she got them as she could not bring herself to speak out while so many people were in court, some of them peasantry who knew nothing, and others of another class whose heads were full of knowledge ( the court fell into laughter ). She was remanded in custody for a week until the person from whom she said she received the fowl should be written to.

The Carlow Sentinel. January 28th 1854. Carlow Petty Sessions. Michael Clowry summoned Mr James Smith, steward to Colonel Bunbury of Moyle, for the recovery of 14 shillings for work done by him in his capacity of stonemason on the lands of Moyle. Mr Mulhall appeared on behalf of Clowry. Michael Clowry on being sworn stated that he built 26 perches of mason work, at 1/6pence per perch, he was paid 25 shillings but there is still a balance of 14 shillings due. Clowry stated he was employed the entire summer at Moyle, he had a man named Sheean working with him and had a man named Tallon to measure the work. [ note added 2013, after much debate the case was dismissed but Clowry was allowed 2 shillings and 6 pence for his attendance at court. Mr Mulhall told the court he would appeal. ].

At the irishgenealogy address below is recorded the marriage at Lorum in 1883 of James Thomas Brown of what appears to be Woodlands Parish of Castledermot Co Kildare, son of John George Brown, Farmer, to Mary Shirley, dau of Francis Shirley, Farmer. Witnesses appear to be William Ashmore and Jane Shirley. I cannot be sure of Mary's place of residence and would appreciate the help of locals. Is it near Lorum? Anyone know this family? Thank you. Bill http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/9466430024226