It certainly has the makings of a wee epic, thanks again Mick and also to Grace and all the other heroes and heroines who transcribe so many of these wonderful tales. Hope to see some of you at the History Festival this weekend ... Turtle Bunbury

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 Mob: + 353 (0) 87 6453 486 Office: +353 (0) 5991 80559 Skype: turtle1847 www.facebook.com/turtle.bunbury On 13 Jun 2013, at 18:29, Michael Purcell wrote: > Thanks Turtle and Peter, we have a fair bit of detail on Thomas C. Bunbury > both from the Pat Purcell Papers and in extracts from The Carlow Sentinel. > The newspaper items were transcribed and typed up some years ago, today > they are checked for accuracy against the original reports before posting. > We have established that the Thomas C. Butler mentioned in an earlier > report as being abused on "the publick street at Burrin Street" by Thomas > Charles Bunbury was in fact Thomas Crawford Butler of Rose Ville , Carlow, > who operated as Attorney in Carlow for over 40 years. He acted as Crown > Prosecutor and was also Seneschal of the Manor of Carlow of Ballymoon, > Dunleckney and Bagenalstown. His wife died in Dublin in 1835. > Thomas C. Butler died in 1876, he is buried in the churchyard of Killeshin > Ch. of Ireland on the Ballickmoyler Road. > Bunbury himself appears to have been neither a practising Protestant or > Roman Catholic !. > I should mention here that one of our readers envisions a historical novel > herein !. > mick > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> From Turtle Bunbury 13/06/2013. > Fantastic stuff Mick. I had no knowledge of Thomas C Bunbury before this > but he was clearly quite a man. My cousin Peter Bunbury advises that Thomas > Charles Bunbury was the eldest of five illegitimate sons born to Henry > Bunbury and Margaret Walsh. He has some kind of connection with Sandgate in > Kent as his first son Henry Bunbury was born 7.9.1811 in Sandgate to his > wife Sarah Rodwell who in fact died in Brighton in 1857 whilst her husband > TCB died 25.2.1852 according to Urglin Parish records. Their son Henry did > not marry and became a barrister and appears in several census of England - > 1891 living at Camberwell. > I particularly like the expression 'the ungovernable ruffians who supported > Mr Bunbury'. > Here's another detail on Thomas Bunbury for you Mick: > On Wednesday June 5th 1850, the Ballina Chronicle reported that 'Mr. Thomas > Bunbury, of Russeltown, is committed to Carlow gaol and his son, Mr. Henry > Bunbury, is admitted to bail, both for threatening the life of a sheriff's > bailiff and discharging a gun at him.' It is not yet known who the > sheriff's bailiff was or why they were shooting at him. The High Sheriff > was Beauchamp Bartholomew Newton (1798-1850) of Rathwade, the son of > Colonel Philip Newton and Sarah Westrop. Mr. Newton held the office of High > Sheriff in 1850. Whether the Bunbury's shooting made any impact on this or > not, Mr. Newton died on 21 August 1850 at age 51.According to Urglin Parish > records, Thomas Charles Bunbury was buried on 25 February 1852. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

[ note added 2013 by Michael Purcell -- Despite the fact that he had the public backing of most of the Carlow based Roman Catholic priests Thomas C. Bunbury failed to be elected as Coroner ( the influential Parish Priest of Tinryland, Fr. Tyrrell had pledged his support four months before the election was called ! ) it was rumoured that Mr Bunbury was withdrawing from "public life" and retiring to a Monastery. The Sentinel recommended he " join the lay Monks at Tullow". In the following months The Carlow Sentinel continued at every opportunity to ridicule Thomas Bunbury, his name usually followed by "laughter" in brackets - ( laughter). We intend to report only some of the incidents recorded in the PPP and The Carlow Sentinel newspapers, especially where such reports may help our CarlowIGP readers with their own family research. To confuse matters I believe there was at least one other Thomas Bunbury living in Carlow at this time. Turtle might clear that up for us ?. There is reference at the end of this piece to Mr Thomas C. Bunbury's " kif, kin, and relations" Carlow Sentinel. 20th September 1834. [ comment ] ___________________ MR BUNBURY. Art has no mortal enemies, Next ignorance, but owls and geese; Those consecrated geese in orders, That to the Capitol were warders; And being then upon patrol, With noise alone beat off the Gaul: ( Hudibras ) Our readers are all aware that Rome was once saved by the cackling of geese, which alarmed the sentinels and saved the capitol ; and, yet, simple as he may appear, there is scarcely a doubt but our old friend, Tom Bunbury, will yet be instrumental, like the consecrated geese, in saving old Ireland from ruin and utter annihilation. To be serious, we understand this much disappointed gentleman has resumed his labours and intends taking a tour to induce the farmers to attend the sessions and to register their votes for the priests and old Ireland. A letter, which we think was written by him, signed " A Protestant" also appears in the Carlow Post. It is truly edifying to peruse the appeals of this dignified gentleman to the farmers of the country. Take the following as a specimen :- " Freeholders ill usage and tyranny prevent you from persevering in your duty to old Ireland." Now had Mr Bunbury addressed them as follows he would be quite correct :-- " Freeholders, I am the most ill-used man living, except Daniel O'Connell ; I created a snug birth for myself, and wished to become a coroner ; but the aristocracy, aye that base aristocracy and the Sentinel newspaper, opposed me, just as I was about applying the honey to my lips they snatched the cup and dashed it to the ground. Here am I a most disappointed man and the most ill-used patriot in Ireland. I intended to give up agitation, if they allowed me to creep in quietly ; but now, like Hannibal, I will bring my children to the altar, and make them swear eternal enmity to the cruel aristocracy for not electing me" --- Now making due allowance for Mr Bunbury's tropes and metaphors, we think the above is very nearly the substance of what he should say in addressing the "freeholders." You have the tithes yet to combat quote the writer ; so much the worse for Thomas C. Bunbury's kif, kin, and relations say we ; for as they have an interest in tithes, the property of Mr Bunbury's father, if they be not disposed of advantageously, about twelve of his kindred will be the sufferers by the "combat." We are not aware that there is any situation vacant at present that this dignified gentleman could aspire to.

That's great to know - a lot of work! I will look forward to more snippets. John > From: irl-carlow-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 211 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 01:00:35 -0600 > > > > Before you send an email to this List you must first of all subscribe to the List. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Belated Congrats to Edward Gorman on his victory. > (Michael Purcell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:49:13 +0100 > From: Michael Purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Belated Congrats to Edward Gorman on his > victory. > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAKqwSs7vpxZZipc+OWdqmCkrjfmUboNzp4nVba_T2iKn+L3AtA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >From :- > John Shepperd via<http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en-GB&ctx=mail&answer=1311182> > rootsweb.com > 13:01 (6 hours ago) > 13/06/2013 > to irl-carlow > Well hearty congrats to Mr Gorman. How long did he serve, and what records > were kept of his inquests? > > >From Mick Purcell :- > John, on behalf of Mr. Edward Gorman ( who is seriously indisposed at > present ) I thank you for your hearty congrats on his election, I am sure, > with foresight, he would have appreciated your belated good wishes. > Mr Gorman served for many years as Coroner in Carlow, he appears to have > been very good at his job and was kept very busy, his handwriting recording > the Inquests is very difficult to decipher. ( as is the handwriting of all > the other coroners before him !) > The Coroner election was not the last time Mr Gorman was involved in > election issues, the following year Mr Gorman was knocked from his horse at > Browne's Hill by a mob and beaten with sticks and stones in the run up to > the election contest of that year between Mr Kavanagh and Mr Bruen . > At present Michael Purcell is working on the Inquest Returns from the > D'Israeli collection ( see below ) > > Disraeli Inquest material on loan to Michael Purcell. > Over the next 12 months we will be transcribing Inquest reports from the > Disraeli Papers, the collection is on loan to us. > As the material forms part of a private collection we are unable to publish > all of the material, we hope to publish a few examples and give some copies > to Trevor for scanning. We will be watching for reports concerning some of > the surnames being researched on the Carlow IGP list. The Timmons man named > in this report was a highly regarded "bone-setter" living at Borlum, Carlow > town during this period. ( Grace Bunbury, Feb. 2012 ). > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-CARLOW list administrator, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 211 > ******************************************

>From :- John Shepperd via<http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en-GB&ctx=mail&answer=1311182> rootsweb.com 13:01 (6 hours ago) 13/06/2013 to irl-carlow Well hearty congrats to Mr Gorman. How long did he serve, and what records were kept of his inquests? >From Mick Purcell :- John, on behalf of Mr. Edward Gorman ( who is seriously indisposed at present ) I thank you for your hearty congrats on his election, I am sure, with foresight, he would have appreciated your belated good wishes. Mr Gorman served for many years as Coroner in Carlow, he appears to have been very good at his job and was kept very busy, his handwriting recording the Inquests is very difficult to decipher. ( as is the handwriting of all the other coroners before him !) The Coroner election was not the last time Mr Gorman was involved in election issues, the following year Mr Gorman was knocked from his horse at Browne's Hill by a mob and beaten with sticks and stones in the run up to the election contest of that year between Mr Kavanagh and Mr Bruen . At present Michael Purcell is working on the Inquest Returns from the D'Israeli collection ( see below ) Disraeli Inquest material on loan to Michael Purcell. Over the next 12 months we will be transcribing Inquest reports from the Disraeli Papers, the collection is on loan to us. As the material forms part of a private collection we are unable to publish all of the material, we hope to publish a few examples and give some copies to Trevor for scanning. We will be watching for reports concerning some of the surnames being researched on the Carlow IGP list. The Timmons man named in this report was a highly regarded "bone-setter" living at Borlum, Carlow town during this period. ( Grace Bunbury, Feb. 2012 ).

Thanks Turtle and Peter, we have a fair bit of detail on Thomas C. Bunbury both from the Pat Purcell Papers and in extracts from The Carlow Sentinel. The newspaper items were transcribed and typed up some years ago, today they are checked for accuracy against the original reports before posting. We have established that the Thomas C. Butler mentioned in an earlier report as being abused on "the publick street at Burrin Street" by Thomas Charles Bunbury was in fact Thomas Crawford Butler of Rose Ville , Carlow, who operated as Attorney in Carlow for over 40 years. He acted as Crown Prosecutor and was also Seneschal of the Manor of Carlow of Ballymoon, Dunleckney and Bagenalstown. His wife died in Dublin in 1835. Thomas C. Butler died in 1876, he is buried in the churchyard of Killeshin Ch. of Ireland on the Ballickmoyler Road. Bunbury himself appears to have been neither a practising Protestant or Roman Catholic !. I should mention here that one of our readers envisions a historical novel herein !. mick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From Turtle Bunbury 13/06/2013. Fantastic stuff Mick. I had no knowledge of Thomas C Bunbury before this but he was clearly quite a man. My cousin Peter Bunbury advises that Thomas Charles Bunbury was the eldest of five illegitimate sons born to Henry Bunbury and Margaret Walsh. He has some kind of connection with Sandgate in Kent as his first son Henry Bunbury was born 7.9.1811 in Sandgate to his wife Sarah Rodwell who in fact died in Brighton in 1857 whilst her husband TCB died 25.2.1852 according to Urglin Parish records. Their son Henry did not marry and became a barrister and appears in several census of England - 1891 living at Camberwell. I particularly like the expression 'the ungovernable ruffians who supported Mr Bunbury'. Here's another detail on Thomas Bunbury for you Mick: On Wednesday June 5th 1850, the Ballina Chronicle reported that 'Mr. Thomas Bunbury, of Russeltown, is committed to Carlow gaol and his son, Mr. Henry Bunbury, is admitted to bail, both for threatening the life of a sheriff's bailiff and discharging a gun at him.' It is not yet known who the sheriff's bailiff was or why they were shooting at him. The High Sheriff was Beauchamp Bartholomew Newton (1798-1850) of Rathwade, the son of Colonel Philip Newton and Sarah Westrop. Mr. Newton held the office of High Sheriff in 1850. Whether the Bunbury's shooting made any impact on this or not, Mr. Newton died on 21 August 1850 at age 51.According to Urglin Parish records, Thomas Charles Bunbury was buried on 25 February 1852.

As far as I know, rent chargers were landowners who did not work the land themselves but set the land to others, some were non-resident rent chargers. It was noted in the 1834 election for Coroner that upwards of 50 non resident rent chargers were not called upon to vote. On 11 June 2013 19:32, Jj Woods <woodsjj@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Michael, > > What is a rent charger? Is it a landlord? > > J. J. > > > > On 11 June 2013 16:41, Michael Purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Carlow Sentinel. > > March 21st 1835. > > Application to Register to Vote. > > William Bowles, huxter, Dublin Road, householder, house and concerns, > > Dublin Road, £10. > > Thomas C. Bunbury, Russellstown, rent charger, Lands, townland of > > Russellstown, £20. > > George Alexander, Milford, Gent, rent charger, Lands, Clocristic, Carlow > > £20. > > Pat Crowe, Ballybar, Farmer, freeholder, House and Lands, Ballytarsna > £10. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Carlow Sentinel. 24th May 1834. HENRY BUTLER, Esquire, SUB-SHERIFF. As will be perceived by our report of the proceedings at the close of the election on Monday, a most unwarrantable and insolent attack was made on the above gentleman by Mr Thomas Bunbury. Had Mr Bunbury not made an abject apology before the public for his conduct we would feel ourselves called upon to say more on the subject, acquainted as we are intimately with Mr Butler's character as a public officer. But we must make allowances for a defeated candidate - a man who coolly calculated on slipping into the position of Coroner without the slightest opposition, and consequently his rage and disappointment because Mr Butler would not lend himself to cooperate with a plan calculated to smuggle Bunbury into a public job by holding the election the day after he received the writ for the vacancy, which writ was obtained at the special request of Mr Bunbury. Mr Butler's exposure of the patriot Bunbury was admirable, his defence was brief, manly, and energetic ; and Bunbury, feeling the extreme delicacy of his situation, publicly apologised. Bunbury's attack on Sir Thomas Butler was equally unhappy. The worthy Baronet had, in his capacity of freeholder of the county, publicly declared his reasons for voting for Mr Gorman, and in doing so informed the public of the exact price of a patriot, namely that "an appointment as Coroner" would cool his patriotism, shut his mouth for ever, or as the poet has it, ~~~ "To place and power all public spirit tends, In place and power all public spirit ENDS. And thus it was with Mr Bunbury ; he would discontinue abusing the gentry of the county, if they allowed Bunbury to take office. We thank Sir Thomas Butler from the bottom of our hearts for giving us so excellent a definition of a "patriot" and exposing those itinerant brawlers who presume to seek for public situations.

Well hearty congrats to Mr Gorman. How long did he serve, and what records were kept of his inquests? > From: irl-carlow-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 209 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 05:55:37 -0600 > > > > Before you send an email to this List you must first of all subscribe to the List. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. 1834,Edward Gorman elected Coroner. (Michael Purcell) > 2. Re: 1834,Edward Gorman elected Coroner. (Turtle Bunbury (History)) > 3. Re: 1834,Edward Gorman elected Coroner. (Turtle Bunbury (History)) > 4. Re: 1834,Edward Gorman elected Coroner. (Michael Purcell) > 5. 1834,Reviewing the situation. (Michael Purcell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:01:05 +0100 > From: Michael Purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1834,Edward Gorman elected Coroner. > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAKqwSs6p_ypkgj7GPbFQZgTVhaGkc7u9CfT1q4L1JM6Z29bzwg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Carlow Sentinel. [ continued ]. > 24th May 1834. > > Carlow Sentinel > 24th May 1834. > Election of Coroner, Mr Gorman Triumphant. > Elected by a majority of 154, the announcement was received with loud > cheering. > Edward Gorman briefly addressed the crowd - he stated " Gentlemen, I > sincerely thank you for the honor you have this day conferred upon me ; I > trust I shall perform my duty honestly, and to the satisfaction of the > public (cheers ). > The defeated Mr Thomas Bunbury rose and appeared greatly agitated. > He stated, that the most unconstitutional means were resorted to by the > gentry of the county to oppose him ; he was not a party man, ( a voice from > the Grand Jury gallery shouted "nor an Orangeman" ) nor had he ever headed > a mob, ( loud laughter ) and he conceived himself badly treated by the > gentry, who were to a man opposed to him ( continued loud laughter ; ) > he stood by the constituency of the county to assert their rights, but he > was always a lover of the constitution ( laughter ; ) he hated not the man > because he went to mass ( laughter ; ) Sir Thomas Butler's tenantry > promised him their vote but the honourable baronet had compelled them to > vote against him, was that fair play ? , Butler had deceived him, ( more > comments shouted from the gallery ). > He thanked the High Sheriff for his impartial manner but he had to publicly > charge Mr Butler the Sub-Sheriff with partiality ; he sided with Mr Gorman. > Mr Bunbury resumed his seat amid the cheers of his followers and the hearty > groans of all parties who knew Mr Butler to be a man of honor, a gentleman > of the strictest integrity. > Mr Butler rose, and after considerable difficulty quietened the > ungovernable ruffians who supported Mr Bunbury, he stated , that it was not > the first time he was accused of partiality ( loud cheers ; ) he, however, > took that opportunity in the strongest terms which the English language > afforded of proclaiming the fallacy of the charge ( cheers ; ).... [ > account of Butler's speech continues with much interruption by loud > cheering ] . > Mr Bunbury then rose again stating - I beg leave to withdraw the term > "partiality" I am sorry for having used the term and therefore apologise ( > hisses and loud cries of " no thanks to you" ) I certainly thought it more > to my advantage to leave the poll open ( loud laughter ). > The High Sheriff , Mr Watson, moved to adjourn the court but Mr Finn > presented himself amid a volley of cheers from the respectable portion of > the crowd and the groans and yelling of the Bunbury mob. > Mr Finn addressed the meeting -- > " I congratulate you on the calm, dignified, and dispassionate manner in > which you conducted the election, I congratulate the gentry and the > tenantry of Carlow, they have taught a lesson to a reckless faction who > have endeavoured to revive the spirit of disunion and bigotry but thanks to > the united efforts of all that is respectable and intelligent this reckless > faction may be considered prostrate ( cheers ) reduced to their proper > dimensions, and that like the inflated toad their power and malignity will > expire together - ( cheers and great uproar ) ; ~~~~~~~~ [ note added 2013 > -- and so on and so forth, with hisses, groans, cheers, uproar, loud > laughter, loud cries and yelling, for what must have been at least another > hour ]. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:28:38 +0100 > From: "Turtle Bunbury (History)" <turtlehistory@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1834,Edward Gorman elected Coroner. > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <BBEE8C00-DA5D-4772-B3D2-4015531B5436@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Fantastic stuff Mick. I had no knowledge of Thomas C Bunbury before this but he was clearly quite a man. My cousin Peter Bunbury advises that Thomas Charles Bunbury was the eldest of five illegitimate sons born to Henry Bunbury and Margaret Walsh. He has some kind of connection with Sandgate in Kent as his first son Henry Bunbury was born 7.9.1811 in Sandgate to his wife Sarah Rodwell who in fact died in Brighton in 1857 whilst her husband TCB died 25.2.1852 according to Urglin Parish records. Their son Henry did not marry and became a barrister and appears in several census of England - 1891 living at Camberwell. > > I particularly like the expression 'the ungovernable ruffians who supported Mr Bunbury'. > > All best for now and thanks again. > > Turtle > > > Turtle Bunbury?? > > Check http://www.facebook.com/Wistorical to learn more about Turtle?s fascinating new project and its extraordinary cast of heroes, villains, eccentrics and crackpots. > > Turtle will curate the 2nd annual History Festival of Ireland at Duckett's Grove, Co. Carlow, on 15-16 June 2013. For the History Festival programme, visit http://www.thehistoryfestivalofireland.com/ > To book your tickets, click on http://www.visualcarlow.ie/events/category/the-history-festival-of-ireland-eigse-carlow-arts-festival-2013 or phone 059 9172400. > > www.turtlebunbury.com??? ? > > Oldfort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland?? > Mob: + 353 (0) 87 6453 486 Office: +353 (0) 5991 80559 Skype: turtle1847 www.facebook.com/turtle.bunbury > > > > > > > > On 13 Jun 2013, at 10:01, Michael Purcell wrote: > > > Carlow Sentinel. [ continued ]. > > 24th May 1834. > > > > Carlow Sentinel > > 24th May 1834. > > Election of Coroner, Mr Gorman Triumphant. > > Elected by a majority of 154, the announcement was received with loud > > cheering. > > Edward Gorman briefly addressed the crowd - he stated " Gentlemen, I > > sincerely thank you for the honor you have this day conferred upon me ; I > > trust I shall perform my duty honestly, and to the satisfaction of the > > public (cheers ). > > The defeated Mr Thomas Bunbury rose and appeared greatly agitated. > > He stated, that the most unconstitutional means were resorted to by the > > gentry of the county to oppose him ; he was not a party man, ( a voice from > > the Grand Jury gallery shouted "nor an Orangeman" ) nor had he ever headed > > a mob, ( loud laughter ) and he conceived himself badly treated by the > > gentry, who were to a man opposed to him ( continued loud laughter ; ) > > he stood by the constituency of the county to assert their rights, but he > > was always a lover of the constitution ( laughter ; ) he hated not the man > > because he went to mass ( laughter ; ) Sir Thomas Butler's tenantry > > promised him their vote but the honourable baronet had compelled them to > > vote against him, was that fair play ? , Butler had deceived him, ( more > > comments shouted from the gallery ). > > He thanked the High Sheriff for his impartial manner but he had to publicly > > charge Mr Butler the Sub-Sheriff with partiality ; he sided with Mr Gorman. > > Mr Bunbury resumed his seat amid the cheers of his followers and the hearty > > groans of all parties who knew Mr Butler to be a man of honor, a gentleman > > of the strictest integrity. > > Mr Butler rose, and after considerable difficulty quietened the > > ungovernable ruffians who supported Mr Bunbury, he stated , that it was not > > the first time he was accused of partiality ( loud cheers ; ) he, however, > > took that opportunity in the strongest terms which the English language > > afforded of proclaiming the fallacy of the charge ( cheers ; ).... [ > > account of Butler's speech continues with much interruption by loud > > cheering ] . > > Mr Bunbury then rose again stating - I beg leave to withdraw the term > > "partiality" I am sorry for having used the term and therefore apologise ( > > hisses and loud cries of " no thanks to you" ) I certainly thought it more > > to my advantage to leave the poll open ( loud laughter ). > > The High Sheriff , Mr Watson, moved to adjourn the court but Mr Finn > > presented himself amid a volley of cheers from the respectable portion of > > the crowd and the groans and yelling of the Bunbury mob. > > Mr Finn addressed the meeting -- > > " I congratulate you on the calm, dignified, and dispassionate manner in > > which you conducted the election, I congratulate the gentry and the > > tenantry of Carlow, they have taught a lesson to a reckless faction who > > have endeavoured to revive the spirit of disunion and bigotry but thanks to > > the united efforts of all that is respectable and intelligent this reckless > > faction may be considered prostrate ( cheers ) reduced to their proper > > dimensions, and that like the inflated toad their power and malignity will > > expire together - ( cheers and great uproar ) ; ~~~~~~~~ [ note added 2013 > > -- and so on and so forth, with hisses, groans, cheers, uproar, loud > > laughter, loud cries and yelling, for what must have been at least another > > hour ]. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:05:54 +0100 > From: "Turtle Bunbury (History)" <turtlehistory@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1834,Edward Gorman elected Coroner. > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <BED39B3B-8F3C-41CC-850B-E795DFE38F36@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Here's another detail on Thomas Bunbury for you Mick: > > On Wednesday June 5th 1850, the Ballina Chronicle reported that 'Mr. Thomas Bunbury, of Russeltown, is committed to Carlow gaol and his son, Mr. Henry Bunbury, is admitted to bail, both for threatening the life of a sheriff's bailiff and discharging a gun at him.' It is not yet known who the sheriff's baliff was or why they were shooting at him. The High Sheriff was Beauchamp Bartholomew Newton (1798-1850) of Rathwade, the son of Colonel Philip Newton and Sarah Westrop. Mr. Newton held the office of High Sheriff in 1850. Whether the Bunbury's shooting made any impact on this or not, Mr. Newton died on 21 August 1850 at age 51.According to Urglin Parish records, Thomas Charles Bunbury was buried on 25 February 1852. > > > > On 13 Jun 2013, at 10:01, Michael Purcell wrote: > > > Carlow Sentinel. [ continued ]. > > 24th May 1834. > > > > Carlow Sentinel > > 24th May 1834. > > Election of Coroner, Mr Gorman Triumphant. > > Elected by a majority of 154, the announcement was received with loud > > cheering. > > Edward Gorman briefly addressed the crowd - he stated " Gentlemen, I > > sincerely thank you for the honor you have this day conferred upon me ; I > > trust I shall perform my duty honestly, and to the satisfaction of the > > public (cheers ). > > The defeated Mr Thomas Bunbury rose and appeared greatly agitated. > > He stated, that the most unconstitutional means were resorted to by the > > gentry of the county to oppose him ; he was not a party man, ( a voice from > > the Grand Jury gallery shouted "nor an Orangeman" ) nor had he ever headed > > a mob, ( loud laughter ) and he conceived himself badly treated by the > > gentry, who were to a man opposed to him ( continued loud laughter ; ) > > he stood by the constituency of the county to assert their rights, but he > > was always a lover of the constitution ( laughter ; ) he hated not the man > > because he went to mass ( laughter ; ) Sir Thomas Butler's tenantry > > promised him their vote but the honourable baronet had compelled them to > > vote against him, was that fair play ? , Butler had deceived him, ( more > > comments shouted from the gallery ). > > He thanked the High Sheriff for his impartial manner but he had to publicly > > charge Mr Butler the Sub-Sheriff with partiality ; he sided with Mr Gorman. > > Mr Bunbury resumed his seat amid the cheers of his followers and the hearty > > groans of all parties who knew Mr Butler to be a man of honor, a gentleman > > of the strictest integrity. > > Mr Butler rose, and after considerable difficulty quietened the > > ungovernable ruffians who supported Mr Bunbury, he stated , that it was not > > the first time he was accused of partiality ( loud cheers ; ) he, however, > > took that opportunity in the strongest terms which the English language > > afforded of proclaiming the fallacy of the charge ( cheers ; ).... [ > > account of Butler's speech continues with much interruption by loud > > cheering ] . > > Mr Bunbury then rose again stating - I beg leave to withdraw the term > > "partiality" I am sorry for having used the term and therefore apologise ( > > hisses and loud cries of " no thanks to you" ) I certainly thought it more > > to my advantage to leave the poll open ( loud laughter ). > > The High Sheriff , Mr Watson, moved to adjourn the court but Mr Finn > > presented himself amid a volley of cheers from the respectable portion of > > the crowd and the groans and yelling of the Bunbury mob. > > Mr Finn addressed the meeting -- > > " I congratulate you on the calm, dignified, and dispassionate manner in > > which you conducted the election, I congratulate the gentry and the > > tenantry of Carlow, they have taught a lesson to a reckless faction who > > have endeavoured to revive the spirit of disunion and bigotry but thanks to > > the united efforts of all that is respectable and intelligent this reckless > > faction may be considered prostrate ( cheers ) reduced to their proper > > dimensions, and that like the inflated toad their power and malignity will > > expire together - ( cheers and great uproar ) ; ~~~~~~~~ [ note added 2013 > > -- and so on and so forth, with hisses, groans, cheers, uproar, loud > > laughter, loud cries and yelling, for what must have been at least another > > hour ]. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:26:09 +0100 > From: Michael Purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1834,Edward Gorman elected Coroner. > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAKqwSs7PD0Jb30RQt-M2zNSPtUHETL=WWyf4tgho3c1STpNsuw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > thanks Turtle for the feedback and info, appreciated by all here...the > "ungovernable ruffians" were of course the priests and their acolytes. > > On 13 June 2013 10:28, Turtle Bunbury (History) <turtlehistory@gmail.com>wrote: > > > Fantastic stuff Mick. I had no knowledge of Thomas C Bunbury before this > > but he was clearly quite a man. My cousin Peter Bunbury advises that Thomas > > Charles Bunbury was the eldest of five illegitimate sons born to Henry > > Bunbury and Margaret Walsh. He has some kind of connection with Sandgate in > > Kent as his first son Henry Bunbury was born 7.9.1811 in Sandgate to his > > wife Sarah Rodwell who in fact died in Brighton in 1857 whilst her husband > > TCB died 25.2.1852 according to Urglin Parish records. Their son Henry did > > not marry and became a barrister and appears in several census of England - > > 1891 living at Camberwell. > > > > I particularly like the expression 'the ungovernable ruffians who > > supported Mr Bunbury'. > > > > All best for now and thanks again. > > > > Turtle > > > > > > Turtle Bunbury > > > > Check http://www.facebook.com/Wistorical to learn more about Turtle?s > > fascinating new project and its extraordinary cast of heroes, villains, > > eccentrics and crackpots. > > > > Turtle will curate the 2nd annual History Festival of Ireland at Duckett's > > Grove, Co. Carlow, on 15-16 June 2013. For the History Festival programme, > > visit http://www.thehistoryfestivalofireland.com/ > > To book your tickets, click on > > http://www.visualcarlow.ie/events/category/the-history-festival-of-ireland-eigse-carlow-arts-festival-2013or phone 059 9172400. > > > > www.turtlebunbury.com > > > > Oldfort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland > > Mob: + 353 (0) 87 6453 486 Office: +353 (0) 5991 80559 Skype: > > turtle1847 www.facebook.com/turtle.bunbury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 Jun 2013, at 10:01, Michael Purcell wrote: > > > > > Carlow Sentinel. [ continued ]. > > > 24th May 1834. > > > > > > Carlow Sentinel > > > 24th May 1834. > > > Election of Coroner, Mr Gorman Triumphant. > > > Elected by a majority of 154, the announcement was received with loud > > > cheering. > > > Edward Gorman briefly addressed the crowd - he stated " Gentlemen, I > > > sincerely thank you for the honor you have this day conferred upon me ; I > > > trust I shall perform my duty honestly, and to the satisfaction of the > > > public (cheers ). > > > The defeated Mr Thomas Bunbury rose and appeared greatly agitated. > > > He stated, that the most unconstitutional means were resorted to by the > > > gentry of the county to oppose him ; he was not a party man, ( a voice > > from > > > the Grand Jury gallery shouted "nor an Orangeman" ) nor had he ever > > headed > > > a mob, ( loud laughter ) and he conceived himself badly treated by the > > > gentry, who were to a man opposed to him ( continued loud laughter ; ) > > > he stood by the constituency of the county to assert their rights, but he > > > was always a lover of the constitution ( laughter ; ) he hated not the > > man > > > because he went to mass ( laughter ; ) Sir Thomas Butler's tenantry > > > promised him their vote but the honourable baronet had compelled them to > > > vote against him, was that fair play ? , Butler had deceived him, ( more > > > comments shouted from the gallery ). > > > He thanked the High Sheriff for his impartial manner but he had to > > publicly > > > charge Mr Butler the Sub-Sheriff with partiality ; he sided with Mr > > Gorman. > > > Mr Bunbury resumed his seat amid the cheers of his followers and the > > hearty > > > groans of all parties who knew Mr Butler to be a man of honor, a > > gentleman > > > of the strictest integrity. > > > Mr Butler rose, and after considerable difficulty quietened the > > > ungovernable ruffians who supported Mr Bunbury, he stated , that it was > > not > > > the first time he was accused of partiality ( loud cheers ; ) he, > > however, > > > took that opportunity in the strongest terms which the English language > > > afforded of proclaiming the fallacy of the charge ( cheers ; ).... [ > > > account of Butler's speech continues with much interruption by loud > > > cheering ] . > > > Mr Bunbury then rose again stating - I beg leave to withdraw the term > > > "partiality" I am sorry for having used the term and therefore apologise > > ( > > > hisses and loud cries of " no thanks to you" ) I certainly thought it > > more > > > to my advantage to leave the poll open ( loud laughter ). > > > The High Sheriff , Mr Watson, moved to adjourn the court but Mr Finn > > > presented himself amid a volley of cheers from the respectable portion of > > > the crowd and the groans and yelling of the Bunbury mob. > > > Mr Finn addressed the meeting -- > > > " I congratulate you on the calm, dignified, and dispassionate manner in > > > which you conducted the election, I congratulate the gentry and the > > > tenantry of Carlow, they have taught a lesson to a reckless faction who > > > have endeavoured to revive the spirit of disunion and bigotry but thanks > > to > > > the united efforts of all that is respectable and intelligent this > > reckless > > > faction may be considered prostrate ( cheers ) reduced to their proper > > > dimensions, and that like the inflated toad their power and malignity > > will > > > expire together - ( cheers and great uproar ) ; ~~~~~~~~ [ note added > > 2013 > > > -- and so on and so forth, with hisses, groans, cheers, uproar, loud > > > laughter, loud cries and yelling, for what must have been at least > > another > > > hour ]. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:54:58 +0100 > From: Michael Purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1834,Reviewing the situation. > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAKqwSs7_sGEU1LtvRoUd14QBCb6xsXX9vTx3iLgSKQyj+JxYFg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Carlow Sentinel. > 24th May 1834. > HENRY BUTLER, Esquire, SUB-SHERIFF. > As will be perceived by our report of the proceedings at the close of the > election on Monday, a most unwarrantable and insolent attack was made on > the above gentleman by Mr Thomas Bunbury. > Had Mr Bunbury not made an abject apology before the public for his conduct > we would feel ourselves called upon to say more on the subject, acquainted > as we are intimately with Mr Butler's character as a public officer. > But we must make allowances for a defeated candidate - a man who coolly > calculated on slipping into the position of Coroner without the slightest > opposition, and consequently his rage and disappointment because Mr Butler > would not lend himself to cooperate with a plan calculated to > smuggle Bunbury into a public job by holding the election the day after he > received the writ for the vacancy, which writ was obtained at the special > request of Mr Bunbury. > Mr Butler's exposure of the patriot Bunbury was admirable, his defence was > brief, manly, and energetic ; and Bunbury, feeling the extreme delicacy of > his situation, publicly apologised. > Bunbury's attack on Sir Thomas Butler was equally unhappy. The worthy > Baronet had, in his capacity of freeholder of the county, publicly declared > his reasons for voting for Mr Gorman, and in doing so informed the public > of the exact price of a patriot, namely that "an appointment as Coroner" > would cool his patriotism, shut his mouth for ever, or as the poet has it, > ~~~ > "To place and power all public spirit tends, > In place and power all public spirit ENDS. > And thus it was with Mr Bunbury ; he would discontinue abusing the gentry > of the county, if they allowed Bunbury to take office. > We thank Sir Thomas Butler from the bottom of our hearts for giving us so > excellent a definition of a "patriot" and exposing those itinerant brawlers > who presume to seek for public situations. > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-CARLOW list administrator, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 209 > ******************************************

thanks Turtle for the feedback and info, appreciated by all here...the "ungovernable ruffians" were of course the priests and their acolytes. On 13 June 2013 10:28, Turtle Bunbury (History) <turtlehistory@gmail.com>wrote: > Fantastic stuff Mick. I had no knowledge of Thomas C Bunbury before this > but he was clearly quite a man. My cousin Peter Bunbury advises that Thomas > Charles Bunbury was the eldest of five illegitimate sons born to Henry > Bunbury and Margaret Walsh. He has some kind of connection with Sandgate in > Kent as his first son Henry Bunbury was born 7.9.1811 in Sandgate to his > wife Sarah Rodwell who in fact died in Brighton in 1857 whilst her husband > TCB died 25.2.1852 according to Urglin Parish records. Their son Henry did > not marry and became a barrister and appears in several census of England - > 1891 living at Camberwell. > > I particularly like the expression 'the ungovernable ruffians who > supported Mr Bunbury'. > > All best for now and thanks again. > > Turtle > > > Turtle Bunbury > > Check http://www.facebook.com/Wistorical to learn more about Turtle’s > fascinating new project and its extraordinary cast of heroes, villains, > eccentrics and crackpots. > > Turtle will curate the 2nd annual History Festival of Ireland at Duckett's > Grove, Co. Carlow, on 15-16 June 2013. For the History Festival programme, > visit http://www.thehistoryfestivalofireland.com/ > To book your tickets, click on > http://www.visualcarlow.ie/events/category/the-history-festival-of-ireland-eigse-carlow-arts-festival-2013or phone 059 9172400. > > www.turtlebunbury.com > > Oldfort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland > Mob: + 353 (0) 87 6453 486 Office: +353 (0) 5991 80559 Skype: > turtle1847 www.facebook.com/turtle.bunbury > > > > > > > > On 13 Jun 2013, at 10:01, Michael Purcell wrote: > > > Carlow Sentinel. [ continued ]. > > 24th May 1834. > > > > Carlow Sentinel > > 24th May 1834. > > Election of Coroner, Mr Gorman Triumphant. > > Elected by a majority of 154, the announcement was received with loud > > cheering. > > Edward Gorman briefly addressed the crowd - he stated " Gentlemen, I > > sincerely thank you for the honor you have this day conferred upon me ; I > > trust I shall perform my duty honestly, and to the satisfaction of the > > public (cheers ). > > The defeated Mr Thomas Bunbury rose and appeared greatly agitated. > > He stated, that the most unconstitutional means were resorted to by the > > gentry of the county to oppose him ; he was not a party man, ( a voice > from > > the Grand Jury gallery shouted "nor an Orangeman" ) nor had he ever > headed > > a mob, ( loud laughter ) and he conceived himself badly treated by the > > gentry, who were to a man opposed to him ( continued loud laughter ; ) > > he stood by the constituency of the county to assert their rights, but he > > was always a lover of the constitution ( laughter ; ) he hated not the > man > > because he went to mass ( laughter ; ) Sir Thomas Butler's tenantry > > promised him their vote but the honourable baronet had compelled them to > > vote against him, was that fair play ? , Butler had deceived him, ( more > > comments shouted from the gallery ). > > He thanked the High Sheriff for his impartial manner but he had to > publicly > > charge Mr Butler the Sub-Sheriff with partiality ; he sided with Mr > Gorman. > > Mr Bunbury resumed his seat amid the cheers of his followers and the > hearty > > groans of all parties who knew Mr Butler to be a man of honor, a > gentleman > > of the strictest integrity. > > Mr Butler rose, and after considerable difficulty quietened the > > ungovernable ruffians who supported Mr Bunbury, he stated , that it was > not > > the first time he was accused of partiality ( loud cheers ; ) he, > however, > > took that opportunity in the strongest terms which the English language > > afforded of proclaiming the fallacy of the charge ( cheers ; ).... [ > > account of Butler's speech continues with much interruption by loud > > cheering ] . > > Mr Bunbury then rose again stating - I beg leave to withdraw the term > > "partiality" I am sorry for having used the term and therefore apologise > ( > > hisses and loud cries of " no thanks to you" ) I certainly thought it > more > > to my advantage to leave the poll open ( loud laughter ). > > The High Sheriff , Mr Watson, moved to adjourn the court but Mr Finn > > presented himself amid a volley of cheers from the respectable portion of > > the crowd and the groans and yelling of the Bunbury mob. > > Mr Finn addressed the meeting -- > > " I congratulate you on the calm, dignified, and dispassionate manner in > > which you conducted the election, I congratulate the gentry and the > > tenantry of Carlow, they have taught a lesson to a reckless faction who > > have endeavoured to revive the spirit of disunion and bigotry but thanks > to > > the united efforts of all that is respectable and intelligent this > reckless > > faction may be considered prostrate ( cheers ) reduced to their proper > > dimensions, and that like the inflated toad their power and malignity > will > > expire together - ( cheers and great uproar ) ; ~~~~~~~~ [ note added > 2013 > > -- and so on and so forth, with hisses, groans, cheers, uproar, loud > > laughter, loud cries and yelling, for what must have been at least > another > > hour ]. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here's another detail on Thomas Bunbury for you Mick: On Wednesday June 5th 1850, the Ballina Chronicle reported that 'Mr. Thomas Bunbury, of Russeltown, is committed to Carlow gaol and his son, Mr. Henry Bunbury, is admitted to bail, both for threatening the life of a sheriff's bailiff and discharging a gun at him.' It is not yet known who the sheriff's baliff was or why they were shooting at him. The High Sheriff was Beauchamp Bartholomew Newton (1798-1850) of Rathwade, the son of Colonel Philip Newton and Sarah Westrop. Mr. Newton held the office of High Sheriff in 1850. Whether the Bunbury's shooting made any impact on this or not, Mr. Newton died on 21 August 1850 at age 51.According to Urglin Parish records, Thomas Charles Bunbury was buried on 25 February 1852. On 13 Jun 2013, at 10:01, Michael Purcell wrote: > Carlow Sentinel. [ continued ]. > 24th May 1834. > > Carlow Sentinel > 24th May 1834. > Election of Coroner, Mr Gorman Triumphant. > Elected by a majority of 154, the announcement was received with loud > cheering. > Edward Gorman briefly addressed the crowd - he stated " Gentlemen, I > sincerely thank you for the honor you have this day conferred upon me ; I > trust I shall perform my duty honestly, and to the satisfaction of the > public (cheers ). > The defeated Mr Thomas Bunbury rose and appeared greatly agitated. > He stated, that the most unconstitutional means were resorted to by the > gentry of the county to oppose him ; he was not a party man, ( a voice from > the Grand Jury gallery shouted "nor an Orangeman" ) nor had he ever headed > a mob, ( loud laughter ) and he conceived himself badly treated by the > gentry, who were to a man opposed to him ( continued loud laughter ; ) > he stood by the constituency of the county to assert their rights, but he > was always a lover of the constitution ( laughter ; ) he hated not the man > because he went to mass ( laughter ; ) Sir Thomas Butler's tenantry > promised him their vote but the honourable baronet had compelled them to > vote against him, was that fair play ? , Butler had deceived him, ( more > comments shouted from the gallery ). > He thanked the High Sheriff for his impartial manner but he had to publicly > charge Mr Butler the Sub-Sheriff with partiality ; he sided with Mr Gorman. > Mr Bunbury resumed his seat amid the cheers of his followers and the hearty > groans of all parties who knew Mr Butler to be a man of honor, a gentleman > of the strictest integrity. > Mr Butler rose, and after considerable difficulty quietened the > ungovernable ruffians who supported Mr Bunbury, he stated , that it was not > the first time he was accused of partiality ( loud cheers ; ) he, however, > took that opportunity in the strongest terms which the English language > afforded of proclaiming the fallacy of the charge ( cheers ; ).... [ > account of Butler's speech continues with much interruption by loud > cheering ] . > Mr Bunbury then rose again stating - I beg leave to withdraw the term > "partiality" I am sorry for having used the term and therefore apologise ( > hisses and loud cries of " no thanks to you" ) I certainly thought it more > to my advantage to leave the poll open ( loud laughter ). > The High Sheriff , Mr Watson, moved to adjourn the court but Mr Finn > presented himself amid a volley of cheers from the respectable portion of > the crowd and the groans and yelling of the Bunbury mob. > Mr Finn addressed the meeting -- > " I congratulate you on the calm, dignified, and dispassionate manner in > which you conducted the election, I congratulate the gentry and the > tenantry of Carlow, they have taught a lesson to a reckless faction who > have endeavoured to revive the spirit of disunion and bigotry but thanks to > the united efforts of all that is respectable and intelligent this reckless > faction may be considered prostrate ( cheers ) reduced to their proper > dimensions, and that like the inflated toad their power and malignity will > expire together - ( cheers and great uproar ) ; ~~~~~~~~ [ note added 2013 > -- and so on and so forth, with hisses, groans, cheers, uproar, loud > laughter, loud cries and yelling, for what must have been at least another > hour ]. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fantastic stuff Mick. I had no knowledge of Thomas C Bunbury before this but he was clearly quite a man. My cousin Peter Bunbury advises that Thomas Charles Bunbury was the eldest of five illegitimate sons born to Henry Bunbury and Margaret Walsh. He has some kind of connection with Sandgate in Kent as his first son Henry Bunbury was born 7.9.1811 in Sandgate to his wife Sarah Rodwell who in fact died in Brighton in 1857 whilst her husband TCB died 25.2.1852 according to Urglin Parish records. Their son Henry did not marry and became a barrister and appears in several census of England - 1891 living at Camberwell. I particularly like the expression 'the ungovernable ruffians who supported Mr Bunbury'. All best for now and thanks again. Turtle Turtle Bunbury

 Check http://www.facebook.com/Wistorical to learn more about Turtle’s fascinating new project and its extraordinary cast of heroes, villains, eccentrics and crackpots. Turtle will curate the 2nd annual History Festival of Ireland at Duckett's Grove, Co. Carlow, on 15-16 June 2013. For the History Festival programme, visit http://www.thehistoryfestivalofireland.com/ To book your tickets, click on http://www.visualcarlow.ie/events/category/the-history-festival-of-ireland-eigse-carlow-arts-festival-2013 or phone 059 9172400. www.turtlebunbury.com


 
 Oldfort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland

 Mob: + 353 (0) 87 6453 486 Office: +353 (0) 5991 80559 Skype: turtle1847 www.facebook.com/turtle.bunbury On 13 Jun 2013, at 10:01, Michael Purcell wrote: > Carlow Sentinel. [ continued ]. > 24th May 1834. > > Carlow Sentinel > 24th May 1834. > Election of Coroner, Mr Gorman Triumphant. > Elected by a majority of 154, the announcement was received with loud > cheering. > Edward Gorman briefly addressed the crowd - he stated " Gentlemen, I > sincerely thank you for the honor you have this day conferred upon me ; I > trust I shall perform my duty honestly, and to the satisfaction of the > public (cheers ). > The defeated Mr Thomas Bunbury rose and appeared greatly agitated. > He stated, that the most unconstitutional means were resorted to by the > gentry of the county to oppose him ; he was not a party man, ( a voice from > the Grand Jury gallery shouted "nor an Orangeman" ) nor had he ever headed > a mob, ( loud laughter ) and he conceived himself badly treated by the > gentry, who were to a man opposed to him ( continued loud laughter ; ) > he stood by the constituency of the county to assert their rights, but he > was always a lover of the constitution ( laughter ; ) he hated not the man > because he went to mass ( laughter ; ) Sir Thomas Butler's tenantry > promised him their vote but the honourable baronet had compelled them to > vote against him, was that fair play ? , Butler had deceived him, ( more > comments shouted from the gallery ). > He thanked the High Sheriff for his impartial manner but he had to publicly > charge Mr Butler the Sub-Sheriff with partiality ; he sided with Mr Gorman. > Mr Bunbury resumed his seat amid the cheers of his followers and the hearty > groans of all parties who knew Mr Butler to be a man of honor, a gentleman > of the strictest integrity. > Mr Butler rose, and after considerable difficulty quietened the > ungovernable ruffians who supported Mr Bunbury, he stated , that it was not > the first time he was accused of partiality ( loud cheers ; ) he, however, > took that opportunity in the strongest terms which the English language > afforded of proclaiming the fallacy of the charge ( cheers ; ).... [ > account of Butler's speech continues with much interruption by loud > cheering ] . > Mr Bunbury then rose again stating - I beg leave to withdraw the term > "partiality" I am sorry for having used the term and therefore apologise ( > hisses and loud cries of " no thanks to you" ) I certainly thought it more > to my advantage to leave the poll open ( loud laughter ). > The High Sheriff , Mr Watson, moved to adjourn the court but Mr Finn > presented himself amid a volley of cheers from the respectable portion of > the crowd and the groans and yelling of the Bunbury mob. > Mr Finn addressed the meeting -- > " I congratulate you on the calm, dignified, and dispassionate manner in > which you conducted the election, I congratulate the gentry and the > tenantry of Carlow, they have taught a lesson to a reckless faction who > have endeavoured to revive the spirit of disunion and bigotry but thanks to > the united efforts of all that is respectable and intelligent this reckless > faction may be considered prostrate ( cheers ) reduced to their proper > dimensions, and that like the inflated toad their power and malignity will > expire together - ( cheers and great uproar ) ; ~~~~~~~~ [ note added 2013 > -- and so on and so forth, with hisses, groans, cheers, uproar, loud > laughter, loud cries and yelling, for what must have been at least another > hour ]. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carlow Sentinel. [ continued ]. 24th May 1834. Carlow Sentinel 24th May 1834. Election of Coroner, Mr Gorman Triumphant. Elected by a majority of 154, the announcement was received with loud cheering. Edward Gorman briefly addressed the crowd - he stated " Gentlemen, I sincerely thank you for the honor you have this day conferred upon me ; I trust I shall perform my duty honestly, and to the satisfaction of the public (cheers ). The defeated Mr Thomas Bunbury rose and appeared greatly agitated. He stated, that the most unconstitutional means were resorted to by the gentry of the county to oppose him ; he was not a party man, ( a voice from the Grand Jury gallery shouted "nor an Orangeman" ) nor had he ever headed a mob, ( loud laughter ) and he conceived himself badly treated by the gentry, who were to a man opposed to him ( continued loud laughter ; ) he stood by the constituency of the county to assert their rights, but he was always a lover of the constitution ( laughter ; ) he hated not the man because he went to mass ( laughter ; ) Sir Thomas Butler's tenantry promised him their vote but the honourable baronet had compelled them to vote against him, was that fair play ? , Butler had deceived him, ( more comments shouted from the gallery ). He thanked the High Sheriff for his impartial manner but he had to publicly charge Mr Butler the Sub-Sheriff with partiality ; he sided with Mr Gorman. Mr Bunbury resumed his seat amid the cheers of his followers and the hearty groans of all parties who knew Mr Butler to be a man of honor, a gentleman of the strictest integrity. Mr Butler rose, and after considerable difficulty quietened the ungovernable ruffians who supported Mr Bunbury, he stated , that it was not the first time he was accused of partiality ( loud cheers ; ) he, however, took that opportunity in the strongest terms which the English language afforded of proclaiming the fallacy of the charge ( cheers ; ).... [ account of Butler's speech continues with much interruption by loud cheering ] . Mr Bunbury then rose again stating - I beg leave to withdraw the term "partiality" I am sorry for having used the term and therefore apologise ( hisses and loud cries of " no thanks to you" ) I certainly thought it more to my advantage to leave the poll open ( loud laughter ). The High Sheriff , Mr Watson, moved to adjourn the court but Mr Finn presented himself amid a volley of cheers from the respectable portion of the crowd and the groans and yelling of the Bunbury mob. Mr Finn addressed the meeting -- " I congratulate you on the calm, dignified, and dispassionate manner in which you conducted the election, I congratulate the gentry and the tenantry of Carlow, they have taught a lesson to a reckless faction who have endeavoured to revive the spirit of disunion and bigotry but thanks to the united efforts of all that is respectable and intelligent this reckless faction may be considered prostrate ( cheers ) reduced to their proper dimensions, and that like the inflated toad their power and malignity will expire together - ( cheers and great uproar ) ; ~~~~~~~~ [ note added 2013 -- and so on and so forth, with hisses, groans, cheers, uproar, loud laughter, loud cries and yelling, for what must have been at least another hour ].

Some months back a visitor/researcher to Carlow County Library rambled off with the index to the R.C. marriages for Leighlinbridge, thanks to the efforts of assistant librarian, Adam Hennessy and a helpful archivist in Leighlin a copy is again available in the Library. Here is extract from the index for Clowry marriages in Leighlinbridge. CLOWRY. Daniel married Dorah Kehoe, 30/01/1877. Tomard. James married Bridget Foley, 16/08/1870.Leighlinbridge. Peter married Anne Whelan, 14/04/1853. Tomard.

The Irish Times. Monday, June 10th 2013, Irish Roots section by John Grenham. irishtimes.com - Posted: June 10, 2013 @ 11:01 am Irish Genealogy News John Grenham The pervasive hysteria about the internet killing off newspapers comes mainly from the internet, whose native language is hysteria. Even so, writing a newspaper column praising a competing online blog seems uncomfortably like a turkey voting for Christmas. But the column has to be written. Claire Santry’s Irish Genealogy News ( irish-genealogy-news.blogspot.ie) is now absolutely essential for anyone who wants to know what’s happening in Irish genealogy. Claire is a professional journalist specialising in heritage, history and architecture, and her approach to the blog is consummately professional, though it remains a labour of love rather than a job. That same professionalism is also evident in the clarity and objectivity she brings to the writing and organising her material. Begun what seems like a moment ago, in 2010, it was initially an offshoot of her “Irish genealogy toolkit”, an attempt to help others avoid the frustration she experienced when first doing her own research. But the number of posts to the blog grew steadily and regularly. Over the last eighteen months, there has been an average of almost two posts a day, along with matching tweets, an extraordinary number for a family history blog. Consistency, reliability and sheer stamina have made it the outlet of choice for any announcement of a publication or a record release or a conference. And the traffic to the site reflects that: in the Genealogy in Time listings, the blog is just outside the top 100 worldwide. Genealogical emergencies are thankfully rare, and fast-breaking Irish family history news sounds like the ultimate oxymoron, but Claire has managed both to create and corner the market. She has even beaten me to the punch in announcing projects I was personally involved in. For a while, this column was called a blog. It wasn’t really. Irish Genealogy News, now that’s a blog.

Carlow Sentinel 24th May 1834. Close of Election for a Coroner. Mr Gorman Triumphant. On Monday last the contest for the coronership of this county terminated in the election of Mr Edward Gorman by a large majority. The previous day ( Sunday ) the agitators, great and small, appeared at the different Chapels, and laboured hard to compel the freeholders to vote for Mr Thomas Bunbury, but failed in all their attempts to sever the tenantry from their landlords. The succeeded in bringing in a body of the Roscat freeholders, whom our readers will recollect were sworn by each other. Every means were resorted to in order to produce excitement, and to intimidate those who intended to vote for Mr Gorman, but to no avail. The polling commenced at an early hour and continued spiritedly on both sides until 1 o'clock, when a large body of Mr Kavanagh's tenantry , from the Barony of St Mullins and Idrone East arrived at the Court-house, accompanied by Mr Robert Doyne, they decided the contest. During their journey to the Club-house to obtain refreshments, they were loudly cheered to the great mortification of Mr Bunbury and his crest-fallen followers. Shortly after Mr Kavanagh of Borris House arrived in his carriage and voted himself for Mr Gorman. At 4 o'clock the polling ceased ; and after the usual proclamations being made , The High-Sheriff, Mr Watson, rose and declared the state of the poll as follows :- Gross Poll. For Mr Edward Gorman -- 444 For Mr Thomas C. Bunbury -- 290 Majority for Mr Gorman -- 154. The announcement was received with loud cheering. The High-Sheriff declared Mr Gorman elected. Mr Bunbury appeared greatly agitated. [ to be continued ] .

Thanks Mick, for this mention of Matthew Conran. Karen. > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:21:54 +0100 > From: carlowmike@gmail.com > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1832,Conran,Clarke,Anderson. > > Carlow Sentinel. > April 1832. > GREAT TITHE MEETING. > At a numerous and respectable Meeting of the Inhabitants of Baltinglass , > on Sunday, the 15th of April. > Mr Matthew Conran in the Chair. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Mr Simeon Clarke. [ November 1832 ] > We had an article prepared for press in reply to the foul and slanderous > attack made by the Carlow Post, on the above gentleman, a gentleman whose > character we need not add whether we regard his honour, his strict > integrity and moral worth is unimpeachable, but as that gentleman feels it > necessary to appeal to another tribunal, we do not deem it prudent to say > further on the subject. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Married [ March 1833 ]. > On Saturday morning last, by special license, George William Anderson, > Esquire, of this town, to Jane, daughter of the late Bazil Grey, Esqiure, > of the City of Kilkenny. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carlow Sentinel. 17th May 1834. Comment from The Carlow Sentinel. Price of a Patriot. " If I am chosen Coroner for the County I will discontinue agitation, and withdraw from Public Life "-- Tom Bunbury. Here is the declaration made by the renowned patriot Tom Bunbury, to Sir Thomas Butler, when he canvassed, for his vote, and what a faithful picture of an agitator does it present to the besotted dupes who rely on the political integrity of those nondescript politicians called "public men ". Bunbury laboured for one or two years to cajole the people, and to ingratiate himself with the Roman Catholic Clergy. He figured off at public meetings, and played second fiddle to Walter Blackney, and behold the price he sets on his services -- only give him the situation of Coroner and he will abandon agitation; like throwing a sop to Cerberus, and he will fling both the Priests and the people to the winds. He would retire like a pure, honest, honourable, and disinterested patriot to private life, and in the enjoyment of the privileges of office would pocket the people's money ; and here is the full price of a thorough-going patriot. Yet with the most consummate effrontery, he demands the support of the people.

Hi Michael, What is a rent charger? Is it a landlord? J. J. On 11 June 2013 16:41, Michael Purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> wrote: > Carlow Sentinel. > March 21st 1835. > Application to Register to Vote. > William Bowles, huxter, Dublin Road, householder, house and concerns, > Dublin Road, £10. > Thomas C. Bunbury, Russellstown, rent charger, Lands, townland of > Russellstown, £20. > George Alexander, Milford, Gent, rent charger, Lands, Clocristic, Carlow > £20. > Pat Crowe, Ballybar, Farmer, freeholder, House and Lands, Ballytarsna £10. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Carlow Sentinel. Sept. 1834. Inquest held by Edward Gorman, Coroner, on the body of a child, James Hughes, who was killed by a car passing over him in Clonegal, through the negligence of the driver. Also on the body of a young man, James Byrne of Borris, who was drowned in the river Barrow. Also Elizabeth Bowers whose body was found in the river Barrow. Also Peter Kavanagh, inquest held at Kildavin, thrown from his car. Mr Gorman commented - It is not a little remarkable that the jury complained of the state of the public roads, the deceased was the second, who, within one fortnight was killed by being thrown from a car on the public highway.

Carlow Sentinel. March 21st 1835. Application to Register to Vote. William Bowles, huxter, Dublin Road, householder, house and concerns, Dublin Road, £10. Thomas C. Bunbury, Russellstown, rent charger, Lands, townland of Russellstown, £20. George Alexander, Milford, Gent, rent charger, Lands, Clocristic, Carlow £20. Pat Crowe, Ballybar, Farmer, freeholder, House and Lands, Ballytarsna £10.