Probably a good deal of flawed science in this, as well as heavy marketing. It is a nice idea, but has enormous potential for duping the innocent of Carlow! We need decent proof that this system is valid. John > From: irl-carlow-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 214 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:19:50 -0600 > > > > Before you send an email to this List you must first of all subscribe to the List. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Family Finder DNA test (Susan Warren) > 2. Re: Family Finder DNA test (Tanya Whitaker) > 3. DNA Testing (Michael Brennan) > 4. Re: DNA Testing (Tom LaPorte) > 5. Re: DNA Testing (Thomas Reed) > 6. 1835, Grand Jury, Bunbury, Clowry, Cummins, Anderson, Crowe, > Haughton, etc.etc. (Friend of Carlow) > 7. Re: 1835, Grand Jury, Bunbury, Clowry, Cummins, Anderson, > Crowe, Haughton, etc.etc. (Friend of Carlow) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:59:12 +1000 > From: "Susan Warren" <ousie@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000601ce69a6$9bdb9630$d392c290$@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Brian > There are various DNA tests. > The one I am talking about is called the FAMILY FINDER test. > http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx > > The Y-DNA test which you most probably took only connects you to other males > who descend directly from your own male line. > This test is not for females. > I imagine this is the test which you took Brian. > > FAMILY FINDER. > Match with five generations of family - Family Finder & Genealogy > With our autosomal Family Finder test you may extend the power of genetic > genealogy to all of your ancestors. > Using a test of your own DNA, you can discover connections to descendants of > all SIXTEEN of your great-great-grandparents! > The Family Finder test will not only open avenues for traditional research > but will help you discover the hidden connections that could explain your > family's migrations. > We place you in control. > When you take the Family Finder test, your results are compared against our > Family Finder database. > Your list of matches is designed to be quickly sorted to allow you to focus > on your near or distant cousins. > Because email addresses are provided for easy communication with your near > or distant cousins you will be able to share research easily. > We notify you by email when you have new matches. > > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:26:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: Brian Walsh <sm082987@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: "irl-carlow@rootsweb.com" <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1371259607.13529.YahooMailNeo@web181504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > You know, I took the test and they told me we migrated from Africa to > Ireland. I know I am missing something here, maybe you can help. Brian > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:48:42 -0400 > From: "Tanya Whitaker" <tmmw025@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <007401ce69c6$ab1711e0$014535a0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > This is a wonderful savings compared to the price quoted on the Allison DNA > project website on rootsweb of $289. From being in another genealogy group: > Fitzpatrick Clan, the forensic genealogist in the group explained to me in a > "DNA 101" email that FTDNA is the better organization versus ancestry.com, > even though FTDNA has had its issues of slow service and missing project DNA > results. Emails by group members to the owner of FTDNA has helped speed up > their service and resolve missing result issues. > > Tanya > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Warren > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:59 AM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test > > Hi Brian > There are various DNA tests. > The one I am talking about is called the FAMILY FINDER test. > http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx > > The Y-DNA test which you most probably took only connects you to other males > who descend directly from your own male line. > This test is not for females. > I imagine this is the test which you took Brian. > > FAMILY FINDER. > Match with five generations of family - Family Finder & Genealogy With our > autosomal Family Finder test you may extend the power of genetic genealogy > to all of your ancestors. > Using a test of your own DNA, you can discover connections to descendants of > all SIXTEEN of your great-great-grandparents! > The Family Finder test will not only open avenues for traditional research > but will help you discover the hidden connections that could explain your > family's migrations. > We place you in control. > When you take the Family Finder test, your results are compared against our > Family Finder database. > Your list of matches is designed to be quickly sorted to allow you to focus > on your near or distant cousins. > Because email addresses are provided for easy communication with your near > or distant cousins you will be able to share research easily. > We notify you by email when you have new matches. > > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:26:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: Brian Walsh <sm082987@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: "irl-carlow@rootsweb.com" <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1371259607.13529.YahooMailNeo@web181504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > You know, I took the test and they told me we migrated from Africa to > Ireland. I know I am missing something here, maybe you can help. Brian > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 13:59:43 +0100 > From: "Michael Brennan" <mb006r9209@blueyonder.co.uk> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <17554709C92542ED8AE92B72786BBB1F@HomePC2> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > As Thomas Reed mentions below he has not found any Carlow cousins through > DNA Testing. > > Is this because only a small number of people have contributed their DNA? > > I cant find any figures for Irish DNA. > > It would be interesting to see what counties have submitted their DNA. > > There are lots of DNA services and there is even an British Isle DNA Project > http://www.britishislesdna.com/ but obviously there is a cost and I suppose > not every one can afford this cost today. > > Regards > Michael Brennan > County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ > My Laois Page: > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) > From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <32815203.110991371254737224.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp14> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Michael: > > My Y DNA is not helpful for any Carlow ancestors, because my ancestors are > on my maternal line. I have a mitrocondrial DNA sampling as well, but all > that does is identify very distant relatives, so far none from Carlow (but > one from Longford, also on my mother's side). > > As you might have guessed, my Reeds were from Ulster (possibly near > Londonderry) and emigrated to Pennsylvania Province at the beginning of the > 18th century. Prior to 1600 or so, my Reeds were border reivers living in > the Middle March on the English side. > > Tom Reed > New Castle, Delaware, USA > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:31:29 -0500 > From: Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mymts.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: "irl-carlow@rootsweb.com" <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY156-W718E0A4A94632EABBE121D0810@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > I'm a big supporter of DNA testing but the results totally depend on other people out there having their DNA results on file. > I was lucky I suppose. I'm researching my maternal side, Bowles, so my DNA would not have been useful for maternal matchups but I obtained a male cousin's DNA to submit for the Y DNA test. There was no immediate match but over the next 3 years I had 100% matches on the 25 marker test with Bowles in another part of Canada and one in California. We were able to connect up our trees four generations back and each filled in huge holes in the other's family trees. > I'm eagerly waiting for the next family member to decide to get their DNA tested so I can 'meet' them. > Tom > > > From: mb006r9209@blueyonder.co.uk > > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:53:08 +0100 > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > > > > Family Finder have a $199 special going at the moment for a Family Finder DNA test. > > > > I have undertaken this test myself and have advised some others to do so as it reunites cousins. > > > > Females as well as males can undertake the test and it finds cousins on both sides up to 5th cousins. > > > > It is just a mouth swab and so easy to do. > > > > > > > > I have nothing to gain by promoting this test but thought if members from our Carlow list undertook > > > > this test it could bring some amazing connections I believe. People who had no idea they connected > > > > and it may really help some of them or us to make some good progress. > > > > > > > > Anyway last time I sent a link to this site it didn?t get posted so I thought I would write to you > > > > directly to see what you thought. > > > > > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx > > > > > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/default.aspx > > > > > > From > > Susan Warren<ousie@optusnet.com.au>; > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 13:08:06 -0400 (EDT) > From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <16011135.117901371316086580.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp31> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Michael: > > As you know Y DNA traces male ancestors only. You can rely on Y DNA results when the results show a relatively identical match between men of the same surname. In my case, my Reed YDNA has 12/12 matches with several men named "Gillespie"--a Scottish family. The usual explanation for a match between people with a different surname is that you both had a common ancestor before surnames became common in the 14th-15th century. So I have concluded that people surnamed "Reed" and surnamed "Gillespie" have a common male ancestor about 16 generations back. > > Re Carlow surnames--I have male "Darcy" (in USA "Dorsey") relatives whom I've begged to get a Y DNA test done. So far, none have done so. I can trace my Carlow roots on my mother's side to Murtagh Darcy b. ca. 1818 in Carlow, probably in Myshall Parish in one of three townlands surrounding the chapel at Drumfea, emigrated to the USA via Canada in April-June 1842, settled in Washington County, New York ca. 1845. I have not been able to identify Murt Darcy's father and mother or any of his brothers or sisters, although I have suspects for his father and grand father. > > Tom Reed > New Castle, DE USA > > --------------------------------------- > Original E-mail > >From : Michael Brennan [mb006r9209@blueyonder.co.uk] > Date : 06/15/2013 08:59 AM > To : irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject : [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > > As Thomas Reed mentions below he has not found any Carlow cousins through > DNA Testing. > > Is this because only a small number of people have contributed their DNA? > > I cant find any figures for Irish DNA. > > It would be interesting to see what counties have submitted their DNA. > > There are lots of DNA services and there is even an British Isle DNA Project > http://www.britishislesdna.com/ but obviously there is a cost and I suppose > not every one can afford this cost today. > > Regards > Michael Brennan > County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ > My Laois Page: > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) > From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <32815203.110991371254737224.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp14> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Michael: > > My Y DNA is not helpful for any Carlow ancestors, because my ancestors are > on my maternal line. I have a mitrocondrial DNA sampling as well, but all > that does is identify very distant relatives, so far none from Carlow (but > one from Longford, also on my mother's side). > > As you might have guessed, my Reeds were from Ulster (possibly near > Londonderry) and emigrated to Pennsylvania Province at the beginning of the > 18th century. Prior to 1600 or so, my Reeds were border reivers living in > the Middle March on the English side. > > Tom Reed > New Castle, Delaware, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:46:33 +0100 > From: Friend of Carlow <friendsofcarlowtempe@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1835, Grand Jury, Bunbury, Clowry, Cummins, > Anderson, Crowe, Haughton, etc.etc. > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CACXOvdRSc27ikeZmZ0V1+dKsQpAuhUFWHitakP6LKmJ+ivyUmg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >From P.P.P. > Document from T.C. Crawford legal papers. > Grand Jury sworn in at Carlow Sessions held on Saturday 4th April 1835 to > enquire, before The Carlow Borough Registry, with rigid impartiality into > eligibility of persons to hold a franchise to vote at Elections in and for > the County of Carlow. > Chairman - Samuel Robinson, Esquire, Gentleman. Lawyer. > Assistant Barrister - James Bessonett, Esquire, Gentleman. > Recorder - Thomas Crawford Butler, Esquire, Attorney. > Barristers - Mr. Hayes, Esquire, Barrister ; Mr Berwick, Esquire, Barrister. > Henry Carey, Foreman ; Benjamin Bunbury, Thomas Elliot, Samuel Haughton, > William Galbraith, George Anderson, James Kehoe, Thomas Donoghoe, Patrick > Finn, William O' Neill, James Smith, Thomas Maher, James Lalor, William > Bernard, John Curran, Patrick Kehoe. > Witnesses - Sir Thomas Butler, Bart., Major Cornwall, Colonel Bruen, > Captain Vignoles, Mr. Alexander, Guilelmus Earl, George Faircloth, George > Crofton, Henry Faulkiner, George W. Colcough, James Hardy Eustace, Thomas > Watson, Samuel Watson, Robert Browne, Thomas C. Bunbury, Thomas Nolan, > Peter Nowlan, Simon Hennesy, James Ruddick, James Clowry, John Clowry, John > Crowe, James Butler, Archibold Sly, Michael Nolan, Joseph Malone, Michael > Hennessy, Patrick Byrne, Thomas Murphy, John McDaniel, George Rigney, Owen > Cummins, Patrick Kinsella, Hugh Cummins, John Kinsella, John Byrne. George > Colcough, John Leonard, Timothy Murphy, Thomas Wynne. > Popish priests- T.Tyrrell, J.Cummins, J.Gahon, J.Walsh. J.Maher. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:19:13 +0100 > From: Friend of Carlow <friendsofcarlowtempe@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1835, Grand Jury, Bunbury, Clowry, Cummins, > Anderson, Crowe, Haughton, etc.etc. > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CACXOvdTxkkAFvt5dN=K51qanY8OzkjeDOiNFBGqX19bzwDJWGA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Sorry folks, correction to previous email - > should read :- > >>>>>>>>From P.P.P. > Document from T.C. Butler, legal papers. > T.Kehoe should be added to Popish priests - T.Tyrrell, J.Cummins, J.Gahon, > J.Walsh. J.Maher. T. Kehoe. > Add to list of Witnesses :- John Alexander, the elder, John Alexander, the > younger, William Galbraith, Patrick Hickey, Patrick Neill, <<<<<<<<< > > > > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Friend of Carlow < > friendsofcarlowtempe@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From P.P.P. > > Document from T.C. Crawford legal papers. > > Grand Jury sworn in at Carlow Sessions held on Saturday 4th April 1835 to > > enquire, before The Carlow Borough Registry, with rigid impartiality into > > eligibility of persons to hold a franchise to vote at Elections in and for > > the County of Carlow. > > Chairman - Samuel Robinson, Esquire, Gentleman. Lawyer. > > Assistant Barrister - James Bessonett, Esquire, Gentleman. > > Recorder - Thomas Crawford Butler, Esquire, Attorney. > > Barristers - Mr. Hayes, Esquire, Barrister ; Mr Berwick, Esquire, > > Barrister. > > Henry Carey, Foreman ; Benjamin Bunbury, Thomas Elliot, Samuel Haughton, > > William Galbraith, George Anderson, James Kehoe, Thomas Donoghoe, Patrick > > Finn, William O' Neill, James Smith, Thomas Maher, James Lalor, William > > Bernard, John Curran, Patrick Kehoe. > > Witnesses - Sir Thomas Butler, Bart., Major Cornwall, Colonel Bruen, > > Captain Vignoles, Mr. Alexander, Guilelmus Earl, George Faircloth, George > > Crofton, Henry Faulkiner, George W. Colcough, James Hardy Eustace, Thomas > > Watson, Samuel Watson, Robert Browne, Thomas C. Bunbury, Thomas Nolan, > > Peter Nowlan, Simon Hennesy, James Ruddick, James Clowry, John Clowry, John > > Crowe, James Butler, Archibold Sly, Michael Nolan, Joseph Malone, Michael > > Hennessy, Patrick Byrne, Thomas Murphy, John McDaniel, George Rigney, Owen > > Cummins, Patrick Kinsella, Hugh Cummins, John Kinsella, John Byrne. George > > Colcough, John Leonard, Timothy Murphy, Thomas Wynne. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-CARLOW list administrator, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 214 > ******************************************

Here is amended transcription for 1835 document, please disregard previous posting, sorry about the confusion. >From P.P.P. Document in T.C. Butler legal papers. Grand Jury sworn in at Carlow Sessions held on Saturday 4th April 1835 to enquire, with rigid impartiality, before The Carlow Borough Registry, into eligibility of persons to hold a franchise to vote at Elections in and for the County of Carlow. Chairman - Samuel Robinson, Esquire, Gentleman. Lawyer. Assistant Barrister - James Bessonett, Esquire, Gentleman. Recorder - Thomas Crawford Butler, Esquire, Attorney. Barristers - Mr. Hayes, Esquire, Barrister ; Mr Berwick, Esquire, Barrister. Henry Carey, Foreman ; Benjamin Bunbury, Thomas Elliot, Samuel Haughton, William Galbraith, George Anderson, James Kehoe, Thomas Donoghoe, Patrick Finn, William O' Neill, James Smith, Thomas Maher, James Lalor, William Bernard, John Curran, Patrick Kehoe. Witnesses - Sir Thomas Butler, Bart., Major Cornwall, Colonel Bruen, Captain Vignoles, Mr. Alexander, rep. John Alexander, the elder, John Alexander, the younger, Guilelmus Earl, George Faircloth, George Crofton, Henry Faulkiner, George W. Colcough, James Hardy Eustace, Thomas Watson, Samuel Watson, Robert Browne, William Galbraith,Thomas C. Bunbury, Patrick Hickey, Patrick Neill, Thomas Nolan, Peter Nowlan, Simon Hennesy, James Ruddick, James Clowry, John Clowry, John Crowe, James Butler, Archibold Sly, Michael Nolan, Joseph Malone, Michael Hennessy, Patrick Byrne, Thomas Murphy, John McDaniel, George Rigney, Owen Cummins, Patrick Kinsella, Hugh Cummins, John Kinsella, John Byrne. George Colcough, John Leonard, Timothy Murphy, Thomas Wynne. Popish priests - T.Tyrrell, J.Cummins, J.Gahon, J.Walsh. J.Maher. T. Kehoe.

Sorry folks, correction to previous email - should read :- >>>>>>>>From P.P.P. Document from T.C. Butler, legal papers. T.Kehoe should be added to Popish priests - T.Tyrrell, J.Cummins, J.Gahon, J.Walsh. J.Maher. T. Kehoe. Add to list of Witnesses :- John Alexander, the elder, John Alexander, the younger, William Galbraith, Patrick Hickey, Patrick Neill, <<<<<<<<< On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Friend of Carlow < friendsofcarlowtempe@gmail.com> wrote: > From P.P.P. > Document from T.C. Crawford legal papers. > Grand Jury sworn in at Carlow Sessions held on Saturday 4th April 1835 to > enquire, before The Carlow Borough Registry, with rigid impartiality into > eligibility of persons to hold a franchise to vote at Elections in and for > the County of Carlow. > Chairman - Samuel Robinson, Esquire, Gentleman. Lawyer. > Assistant Barrister - James Bessonett, Esquire, Gentleman. > Recorder - Thomas Crawford Butler, Esquire, Attorney. > Barristers - Mr. Hayes, Esquire, Barrister ; Mr Berwick, Esquire, > Barrister. > Henry Carey, Foreman ; Benjamin Bunbury, Thomas Elliot, Samuel Haughton, > William Galbraith, George Anderson, James Kehoe, Thomas Donoghoe, Patrick > Finn, William O' Neill, James Smith, Thomas Maher, James Lalor, William > Bernard, John Curran, Patrick Kehoe. > Witnesses - Sir Thomas Butler, Bart., Major Cornwall, Colonel Bruen, > Captain Vignoles, Mr. Alexander, Guilelmus Earl, George Faircloth, George > Crofton, Henry Faulkiner, George W. Colcough, James Hardy Eustace, Thomas > Watson, Samuel Watson, Robert Browne, Thomas C. Bunbury, Thomas Nolan, > Peter Nowlan, Simon Hennesy, James Ruddick, James Clowry, John Clowry, John > Crowe, James Butler, Archibold Sly, Michael Nolan, Joseph Malone, Michael > Hennessy, Patrick Byrne, Thomas Murphy, John McDaniel, George Rigney, Owen > Cummins, Patrick Kinsella, Hugh Cummins, John Kinsella, John Byrne. George > Colcough, John Leonard, Timothy Murphy, Thomas Wynne. > > >

Hi Brian There are various DNA tests. The one I am talking about is called the FAMILY FINDER test. http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx The Y-DNA test which you most probably took only connects you to other males who descend directly from your own male line. This test is not for females. I imagine this is the test which you took Brian. FAMILY FINDER. Match with five generations of family - Family Finder & Genealogy With our autosomal Family Finder test you may extend the power of genetic genealogy to all of your ancestors. Using a test of your own DNA, you can discover connections to descendants of all SIXTEEN of your great-great-grandparents! The Family Finder test will not only open avenues for traditional research but will help you discover the hidden connections that could explain your family's migrations. We place you in control. When you take the Family Finder test, your results are compared against our Family Finder database. Your list of matches is designed to be quickly sorted to allow you to focus on your near or distant cousins. Because email addresses are provided for easy communication with your near or distant cousins you will be able to share research easily. We notify you by email when you have new matches. Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:26:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Walsh <sm082987@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing To: "irl-carlow@rootsweb.com" <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1371259607.13529.YahooMailNeo@web181504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 You know, I took the test and they told me we migrated from Africa to Ireland. I know I am missing something here, maybe you can help. Brian

>From P.P.P. Document from T.C. Crawford legal papers. Grand Jury sworn in at Carlow Sessions held on Saturday 4th April 1835 to enquire, before The Carlow Borough Registry, with rigid impartiality into eligibility of persons to hold a franchise to vote at Elections in and for the County of Carlow. Chairman - Samuel Robinson, Esquire, Gentleman. Lawyer. Assistant Barrister - James Bessonett, Esquire, Gentleman. Recorder - Thomas Crawford Butler, Esquire, Attorney. Barristers - Mr. Hayes, Esquire, Barrister ; Mr Berwick, Esquire, Barrister. Henry Carey, Foreman ; Benjamin Bunbury, Thomas Elliot, Samuel Haughton, William Galbraith, George Anderson, James Kehoe, Thomas Donoghoe, Patrick Finn, William O' Neill, James Smith, Thomas Maher, James Lalor, William Bernard, John Curran, Patrick Kehoe. Witnesses - Sir Thomas Butler, Bart., Major Cornwall, Colonel Bruen, Captain Vignoles, Mr. Alexander, Guilelmus Earl, George Faircloth, George Crofton, Henry Faulkiner, George W. Colcough, James Hardy Eustace, Thomas Watson, Samuel Watson, Robert Browne, Thomas C. Bunbury, Thomas Nolan, Peter Nowlan, Simon Hennesy, James Ruddick, James Clowry, John Clowry, John Crowe, James Butler, Archibold Sly, Michael Nolan, Joseph Malone, Michael Hennessy, Patrick Byrne, Thomas Murphy, John McDaniel, George Rigney, Owen Cummins, Patrick Kinsella, Hugh Cummins, John Kinsella, John Byrne. George Colcough, John Leonard, Timothy Murphy, Thomas Wynne. Popish priests- T.Tyrrell, J.Cummins, J.Gahon, J.Walsh. J.Maher.

I am intrigued by your comment that in 1835 the year following his election as coroner Edward Gorman was "knocked from his horse and beaten" you say it had to do with election issues, do you know why he was attacked, was Mr Bunbury involved ?, Ron.

Thought I would share the following, which is a better deal than the sale price offered by FTDNA. There is another company 23andme that offers the same test for $99. They also give you information on medical tendencies. Because of this, your matches are kept anonymous at first and you have to send them an invitation to share, so you don't get as many replies as with FTDNA. In addition, there is an advantage. Once you test with 23andme you can download your raw data. You can upload the raw data to FTDNA (they take out any medical-related information) for another $99. So if you do it this way, you can find matches at both companies for the same price FTDNA charges to test directly. And although you have fewer people sharing genomes with you at 23andme, their database is about 5 to 6 times larger. Also, I looked on the website and if one orders more than one kit there is a 20% discount for each additional kit. https://www.23andme.com/ Tanya -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Brennan Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:00 AM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing As Thomas Reed mentions below he has not found any Carlow cousins through DNA Testing. Is this because only a small number of people have contributed their DNA? I cant find any figures for Irish DNA. It would be interesting to see what counties have submitted their DNA. There are lots of DNA services and there is even an British Isle DNA Project http://www.britishislesdna.com/ but obviously there is a cost and I suppose not every one can afford this cost today. Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <32815203.110991371254737224.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp14> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Michael: My Y DNA is not helpful for any Carlow ancestors, because my ancestors are on my maternal line. I have a mitrocondrial DNA sampling as well, but all that does is identify very distant relatives, so far none from Carlow (but one from Longford, also on my mother's side). As you might have guessed, my Reeds were from Ulster (possibly near Londonderry) and emigrated to Pennsylvania Province at the beginning of the 18th century. Prior to 1600 or so, my Reeds were border reivers living in the Middle March on the English side. Tom Reed New Castle, Delaware, USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As Thomas Reed mentions below he has not found any Carlow cousins through DNA Testing. Is this because only a small number of people have contributed their DNA? I cant find any figures for Irish DNA. It would be interesting to see what counties have submitted their DNA. There are lots of DNA services and there is even an British Isle DNA Project http://www.britishislesdna.com/ but obviously there is a cost and I suppose not every one can afford this cost today. Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <32815203.110991371254737224.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp14> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Michael: My Y DNA is not helpful for any Carlow ancestors, because my ancestors are on my maternal line. I have a mitrocondrial DNA sampling as well, but all that does is identify very distant relatives, so far none from Carlow (but one from Longford, also on my mother's side). As you might have guessed, my Reeds were from Ulster (possibly near Londonderry) and emigrated to Pennsylvania Province at the beginning of the 18th century. Prior to 1600 or so, my Reeds were border reivers living in the Middle March on the English side. Tom Reed New Castle, Delaware, USA

Michael: As you know Y DNA traces male ancestors only. You can rely on Y DNA results when the results show a relatively identical match between men of the same surname. In my case, my Reed YDNA has 12/12 matches with several men named "Gillespie"--a Scottish family. The usual explanation for a match between people with a different surname is that you both had a common ancestor before surnames became common in the 14th-15th century. So I have concluded that people surnamed "Reed" and surnamed "Gillespie" have a common male ancestor about 16 generations back. Re Carlow surnames--I have male "Darcy" (in USA "Dorsey") relatives whom I've begged to get a Y DNA test done. So far, none have done so. I can trace my Carlow roots on my mother's side to Murtagh Darcy b. ca. 1818 in Carlow, probably in Myshall Parish in one of three townlands surrounding the chapel at Drumfea, emigrated to the USA via Canada in April-June 1842, settled in Washington County, New York ca. 1845. I have not been able to identify Murt Darcy's father and mother or any of his brothers or sisters, although I have suspects for his father and grand father. Tom Reed New Castle, DE USA --------------------------------------- Original E-mail >From : Michael Brennan [mb006r9209@blueyonder.co.uk] Date : 06/15/2013 08:59 AM To : irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject : [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing As Thomas Reed mentions below he has not found any Carlow cousins through DNA Testing. Is this because only a small number of people have contributed their DNA? I cant find any figures for Irish DNA. It would be interesting to see what counties have submitted their DNA. There are lots of DNA services and there is even an British Isle DNA Project http://www.britishislesdna.com/ but obviously there is a cost and I suppose not every one can afford this cost today. Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <32815203.110991371254737224.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp14> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Michael: My Y DNA is not helpful for any Carlow ancestors, because my ancestors are on my maternal line. I have a mitrocondrial DNA sampling as well, but all that does is identify very distant relatives, so far none from Carlow (but one from Longford, also on my mother's side). As you might have guessed, my Reeds were from Ulster (possibly near Londonderry) and emigrated to Pennsylvania Province at the beginning of the 18th century. Prior to 1600 or so, my Reeds were border reivers living in the Middle March on the English side. Tom Reed New Castle, Delaware, USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tom You are absolutely correct regarding the Y DNA and Mitochondrial DNA test - it is not the test I am referring to. It is the DNA FAMILY FINDER test $199 - which I am referring to which both male and females can undertake to find cousins on all sides up to 5th cousins. My husband has connected with a cousin in Canada who is a 2nd cousin, as well as a 3rd cousin and quite a few who are fourth cousins. Still trying to sort out the relationships. I just thought it would be a fascinating exercise [if interest naturally] for some of the Carlow list as it could prove a very useful tool making connections in Carlow. Who knows who we are related to from Carlow. You can discover connections to descendants of all SIXTEEN of your great-great-grandparents! Y DNA is only useful for males as it follows the fathers, fathers, fathers, father line. Mitochondrial DNA is the mothers, mothers, mothers, mothers line. FAMILY FINDER. Match with five generations of family - Family Finder & Genealogy With our autosomal Family Finder test you may extend the power of genetic genealogy to all of your ancestors. Using a test of your own DNA, you can discover connections to descendants of all SIXTEEN of your great-great-grandparents! The Family Finder test will not only open avenues for traditional research but will help you discover the hidden connections that could explain your family's migrations. We place you in control. When you take the Family Finder test, your results are compared against our Family Finder database. Your list of matches is designed to be quickly sorted to allow you to focus on your near or distant cousins. Because email addresses are provided for easy communication with your near or distant cousins you will be able to share research easily. We notify you by email when you have new matches. You can read about it at http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx Susie Warren ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <32815203.110991371254737224.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp14> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Michael: My Y DNA is not helpful for any Carlow ancestors, because my ancestors are on my maternal line. I have a mitrocondrial DNA sampling as well, but all that does is identify very distant relatives, so far none from Carlow (but one from Longford, also on my mother's side). As you might have guessed, my Reeds were from Ulster (possibly near Londonderry) and emigrated to Pennsylvania Province at the beginning of the 18th century. Prior to 1600 or so, my Reeds were border reivers living in the Middle March on the English side. Tom Reed New Castle, Delaware, USA --------------------------------------- Original E-mail >From : Michael Brennan [mb006r9209@blueyonder.co.uk] Date : 06/14/2013 05:53 PM To : irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject : [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing Family Finder have a $199 special going at the moment for a Family Finder DNA test. I have undertaken this test myself and have advised some others to do so as it reunites cousins. Females as well as males can undertake the test and it finds cousins on both sides up to 5th cousins. It is just a mouth swab and so easy to do. I have nothing to gain by promoting this test but thought if members from our Carlow list undertook this test it could bring some amazing connections I believe. People who had no idea they connected and it may really help some of them or us to make some good progress. Anyway last time I sent a link to this site it didn?t get posted so I thought I would write to you directly to see what you thought. http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx http://www.familytreedna.com/default.aspx From Susan Warren<ousie@optusnet.com.au>; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-CARLOW list administrator, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 212 ******************************************

This is a wonderful savings compared to the price quoted on the Allison DNA project website on rootsweb of $289. From being in another genealogy group: Fitzpatrick Clan, the forensic genealogist in the group explained to me in a "DNA 101" email that FTDNA is the better organization versus ancestry.com, even though FTDNA has had its issues of slow service and missing project DNA results. Emails by group members to the owner of FTDNA has helped speed up their service and resolve missing result issues. Tanya -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Warren Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:59 AM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test Hi Brian There are various DNA tests. The one I am talking about is called the FAMILY FINDER test. http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx The Y-DNA test which you most probably took only connects you to other males who descend directly from your own male line. This test is not for females. I imagine this is the test which you took Brian. FAMILY FINDER. Match with five generations of family - Family Finder & Genealogy With our autosomal Family Finder test you may extend the power of genetic genealogy to all of your ancestors. Using a test of your own DNA, you can discover connections to descendants of all SIXTEEN of your great-great-grandparents! The Family Finder test will not only open avenues for traditional research but will help you discover the hidden connections that could explain your family's migrations. We place you in control. When you take the Family Finder test, your results are compared against our Family Finder database. Your list of matches is designed to be quickly sorted to allow you to focus on your near or distant cousins. Because email addresses are provided for easy communication with your near or distant cousins you will be able to share research easily. We notify you by email when you have new matches. Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:26:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Walsh <sm082987@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing To: "irl-carlow@rootsweb.com" <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1371259607.13529.YahooMailNeo@web181504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 You know, I took the test and they told me we migrated from Africa to Ireland. I know I am missing something here, maybe you can help. Brian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm a big supporter of DNA testing but the results totally depend on other people out there having their DNA results on file. I was lucky I suppose. I'm researching my maternal side, Bowles, so my DNA would not have been useful for maternal matchups but I obtained a male cousin's DNA to submit for the Y DNA test. There was no immediate match but over the next 3 years I had 100% matches on the 25 marker test with Bowles in another part of Canada and one in California. We were able to connect up our trees four generations back and each filled in huge holes in the other's family trees. I'm eagerly waiting for the next family member to decide to get their DNA tested so I can 'meet' them. Tom > From: mb006r9209@blueyonder.co.uk > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:53:08 +0100 > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > > Family Finder have a $199 special going at the moment for a Family Finder DNA test. > > I have undertaken this test myself and have advised some others to do so as it reunites cousins. > > Females as well as males can undertake the test and it finds cousins on both sides up to 5th cousins. > > It is just a mouth swab and so easy to do. > > > > I have nothing to gain by promoting this test but thought if members from our Carlow list undertook > > this test it could bring some amazing connections I believe. People who had no idea they connected > > and it may really help some of them or us to make some good progress. > > > > Anyway last time I sent a link to this site it didn’t get posted so I thought I would write to you > > directly to see what you thought. > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/default.aspx > > > From > Susan Warren<ousie@optusnet.com.au>; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I took a similar test a few years back and it was good, bit if this is the same type, you will only be matched with others who are also in the test result database, so results will vary. Just setting expectations. It was a worthwhile exercise. Susan Warren <ousie@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >Tom >You are absolutely correct regarding the Y DNA and Mitochondrial DNA test - >it is not the test I am referring to. > >It is the DNA FAMILY FINDER test $199 - which I am referring to which both >male and females can undertake to find cousins on all sides up to 5th >cousins. > >My husband has connected with a cousin in Canada who is a 2nd cousin, as >well as a 3rd cousin and quite a few who are fourth cousins. >Still trying to sort out the relationships. > >I just thought it would be a fascinating exercise [if interest naturally] >for some of the Carlow list as it could prove a very useful tool making >connections in Carlow. >Who knows who we are related to from Carlow. >You can discover connections to descendants of all SIXTEEN of your >great-great-grandparents! > >Y DNA is only useful for males as it follows the fathers, fathers, fathers, >father line. >Mitochondrial DNA is the mothers, mothers, mothers, mothers line. > >FAMILY FINDER. >Match with five generations of family - Family Finder & Genealogy >With our autosomal Family Finder test you may extend the power of genetic >genealogy to all of your ancestors. >Using a test of your own DNA, you can discover connections to descendants of >all SIXTEEN of your great-great-grandparents! >The Family Finder test will not only open avenues for traditional research >but will help you discover the hidden connections that could explain your >family's migrations. >We place you in control. >When you take the Family Finder test, your results are compared against our >Family Finder database. >Your list of matches is designed to be quickly sorted to allow you to focus >on your near or distant cousins. >Because email addresses are provided for easy communication with your near >or distant cousins you will be able to share research easily. >We notify you by email when you have new matches. > >You can read about it at >http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx > >Susie Warren > >------------------------------ > >Message: 8 >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) >From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> >Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing >To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <32815203.110991371254737224.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp14> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >Michael: > >My Y DNA is not helpful for any Carlow ancestors, because my ancestors are >on my maternal line. I have a mitrocondrial DNA sampling as well, but all >that does is identify very distant relatives, so far none from Carlow (but >one from Longford, also on my mother's side). > >As you might have guessed, my Reeds were from Ulster (possibly near >Londonderry) and emigrated to Pennsylvania Province at the beginning of the >18th century. Prior to 1600 or so, my Reeds were border reivers living in >the Middle March on the English side. > > >Tom Reed >New Castle, Delaware, USA > >--------------------------------------- >Original E-mail >>From : Michael Brennan [mb006r9209@blueyonder.co.uk] >Date : 06/14/2013 05:53 PM >To : irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >Subject : [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > >Family Finder have a $199 special going at the moment for a Family Finder >DNA test. > >I have undertaken this test myself and have advised some others to do so as >it reunites cousins. > >Females as well as males can undertake the test and it finds cousins on both >sides up to 5th cousins. > >It is just a mouth swab and so easy to do. > > > >I have nothing to gain by promoting this test but thought if members from >our Carlow list undertook > >this test it could bring some amazing connections I believe. People who had >no idea they connected > >and it may really help some of them or us to make some good progress. > > > >Anyway last time I sent a link to this site it didn?t get posted so I >thought I would write to you > >directly to see what you thought. > > > >http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx > > > >http://www.familytreedna.com/default.aspx > > >From >Susan Warren<ousie@optusnet.com.au>; > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the IRL-CARLOW list administrator, send an email to >IRL-CARLOW-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list, send an email to >IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > >End of IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 212 >****************************************** > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Family Finder have a $199 special going at the moment for a Family Finder DNA test. I have undertaken this test myself and have advised some others to do so as it reunites cousins. Females as well as males can undertake the test and it finds cousins on both sides up to 5th cousins. It is just a mouth swab and so easy to do. I have nothing to gain by promoting this test but thought if members from our Carlow list undertook this test it could bring some amazing connections I believe. People who had no idea they connected and it may really help some of them or us to make some good progress. Anyway last time I sent a link to this site it didn’t get posted so I thought I would write to you directly to see what you thought. http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx http://www.familytreedna.com/default.aspx From Susan Warren<ousie@optusnet.com.au>;

Michael: My Y DNA is not helpful for any Carlow ancestors, because my ancestors are on my maternal line. I have a mitrocondrial DNA sampling as well, but all that does is identify very distant relatives, so far none from Carlow (but one from Longford, also on my mother's side). As you might have guessed, my Reeds were from Ulster (possibly near Londonderry) and emigrated to Pennsylvania Province at the beginning of the 18th century. Prior to 1600 or so, my Reeds were border reivers living in the Middle March on the English side. Tom Reed New Castle, Delaware, USA --------------------------------------- Original E-mail >From : Michael Brennan [mb006r9209@blueyonder.co.uk] Date : 06/14/2013 05:53 PM To : irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject : [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing Family Finder have a $199 special going at the moment for a Family Finder DNA test. I have undertaken this test myself and have advised some others to do so as it reunites cousins. Females as well as males can undertake the test and it finds cousins on both sides up to 5th cousins. It is just a mouth swab and so easy to do. I have nothing to gain by promoting this test but thought if members from our Carlow list undertook this test it could bring some amazing connections I believe. People who had no idea they connected and it may really help some of them or us to make some good progress. Anyway last time I sent a link to this site it didn’t get posted so I thought I would write to you directly to see what you thought. http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx http://www.familytreedna.com/default.aspx From Susan Warren<ousie@optusnet.com.au>; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You know, I took the test and they told me we migrated from Africa to Ireland. I know I am missing something here, maybe you can help. Brian ________________________________ From: Michael Brennan <mb006r9209@blueyonder.co.uk> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 5:53 PM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing Family Finder have a $199 special going at the moment for a Family Finder DNA test. I have undertaken this test myself and have advised some others to do so as it reunites cousins. Females as well as males can undertake the test and it finds cousins on both sides up to 5th cousins. It is just a mouth swab and so easy to do. I have nothing to gain by promoting this test but thought if members from our Carlow list undertook this test it could bring some amazing connections I believe.  People who had no idea they connected and it may really help some of them or us to make some good progress. Anyway last time I sent a link to this site it didn’t get posted so I thought I would write to you directly to see what you thought. http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx http://www.familytreedna.com/default.aspx From Susan Warren<ousie@optusnet.com.au>; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On a note in the PPP it states " Thomas Crawford Butler's wife died in Dublin 1835". On the Carlow Sentinel dated December 1835 it states :- At Timolin church, on the 2nd of December 1835, Thomas Crawford Butler of Rose Ville, Carlow married Lavinia Sophia Yates, eldest daughter of Benedict Arthur Yates of Moone Abbey, Kildare.

[ note added 2013 by Michael Purcell -- the THEATRE, Carlow was set up for a period at the Assembly Rooms, Dublin Street in 1836. An advert declares ~~~ On Tuesday evening, the 1st of March 1836, the AFRICAN ROSCIUS Begs leave to announce that his BENEFIT And last night of performance in Carlow, will take place and which he trusts that the novelty, variety, and merit of the Pieces he has selected, will ensure him a full and fashionable Audience -- The Performance will commence with Maturins Tragedy of BERTRAM, or, The Castle of St. Aldobrand ; etc. etc. ~~~ There is much more on the advert, of which we will post an image later. " AFRICAN ROSCIUS" is googleable. ] Carlow Sentinel. March 1836. ATTACK ON THE POLICE. Patt Byrne, William Bowles and Patt Fenlon, were charged at Carlow sessions with having caused a riot at the entrance to the theatre on Tuesday night, and with having cut and wounded Michael Kane and Sub-constable Flanagan. Byrne did not appear - Kane and the sub-constable were dreadfully cut by one of the ruffians, named Fenlon. It appears that on entering the theatre Kane was struck and knocked down by the parties, and that one of them ( Byrne ) declared they would have his life. On the arrival of the police those desperate characters attacked them, and inflicted a deep cut on the face of sub-constable Flanagan. The magistrates fined them £3 each or two months imprisonment, and a warrant was issued for the apprehension of Byrne, who is a bailiff. If the bench proceed in this summary manner to punish the street ruffians of Carlow, they will soon restore order to the town, which at present is in so disorderly a state that no constable can execute his duty without risking his life. This is chapel morality, at least the result of political harangues from the Altar.

Carlow Sentinel. January 1836. Registering to vote, will be examined at Tullow Court-house in January 1836. Patrick Clowry, Farmer, Freeholder, House and Lands, Ballaghmor, £10. John Conran, Farmer, Freeholder, House and Land, Davis's Hill, £10. John Connoran, Farmer, Freeholder, House and Land, Davis's Hill, £10.

Some readers prefer just the raw data, while others prefer context and story, so, I offer both approaches. The story version is on my blog, and includes a link to the new data I have posted. See the blog: http://sharonoddiebrown.blogspot.ca/2013/06/geekdom.html The link in the 2nd paragraph connects to the 300+ pages of notes on deeds that I have just uploaded. The blog post also features a deed from Thomas and Mary JACKSON in 1788, and talks about why these deeds matter for Irish history and genealogical research. For those who prefer just the raw data, here is a link to the recent Deeds research I have posted (Note: this is a site with no ads or fees -- all is free): http://www.thesilverbowl.com/documents/2013%20versions/Links-Deeds-Notes.html You can catch up with other new material that I have posted via the New hyperlink: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/misc/whatsnew.htm My research covers most counties in Ireland, as well as a range of key surnames, so please forgive the cross-postings on various research sites. Unfortunately, Google Site search has stopped indexing my new material properly, and seems to be hit and miss with lots of my older posts. I need to hire a teckie to fix that, so my apologies in the interim. Otherwise - Enjoy, Sharon -- Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project:www.thesilverbowl.com