Hi Tanya, Sorry I did not make myself clear, the prices I quoted refer to the cost of postage and packaging of the kits to Ireland, the cost of the kits themselves would be added on. Brendan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tanya Whitaker" <tmmw025@gmail.com> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 18 June, 2013 4:57:50 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test Wow, you got a deal, Brendan! I just ordered from the US and the price was $99 for the first kit and 20% off for any additional = $80 for the 2nd kit. Either you bought your kits a while ago or that is how much better the exchange rate is for the Euro compared to the dollar. Also, 23andme does not do any Y-DNA testing just for an FYI. FTDNA is the one to go for that. Tanya -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of straboe1@eircom.net Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:11 AM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test One aspect to consider is the cost of postage and packaging. I got the info from 23andme for delivery to Ireland, it is $80 for one kit and $49 for each additional kit. I don't know what it is for the other companies. Brendan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "karen conderan" <kcond@live.ca> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 18 June, 2013 3:41:33 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test I have long considered DNA testing but haven't actually done it.Since I haven't had much luck connecting my family (Conrans of Clonmelsh) with descendants of other Carlow Conrans, I think it's probably time to try a DNA test.Not sure which company to use; good arguments presented for both companies. Thanks everyone for sharing stories and info; very helpful. Karen. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OH! That is a bunch for postage and handling. For my 3 kits, the price was $19.95 for postage and handling. Nice to consider all of that besides the testing benefits of each company. So much to think about. I drug my feet for 3 years deciding on the test that was the "best". On Saturday, I decided to "Just Do It" as the Nike saying goes,... and purchase 23andme kits. If it is not the "best" kit then have to deal with my decision. Tanya -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of straboe1@eircom.net Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:44 PM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test Hi Tanya, Sorry I did not make myself clear, the prices I quoted refer to the cost of postage and packaging of the kits to Ireland, the cost of the kits themselves would be added on. Brendan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tanya Whitaker" <tmmw025@gmail.com> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 18 June, 2013 4:57:50 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test Wow, you got a deal, Brendan! I just ordered from the US and the price was $99 for the first kit and 20% off for any additional = $80 for the 2nd kit. Either you bought your kits a while ago or that is how much better the exchange rate is for the Euro compared to the dollar. Also, 23andme does not do any Y-DNA testing just for an FYI. FTDNA is the one to go for that. Tanya -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of straboe1@eircom.net Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:11 AM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test One aspect to consider is the cost of postage and packaging. I got the info from 23andme for delivery to Ireland, it is $80 for one kit and $49 for each additional kit. I don't know what it is for the other companies. Brendan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "karen conderan" <kcond@live.ca> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 18 June, 2013 3:41:33 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test I have long considered DNA testing but haven't actually done it.Since I haven't had much luck connecting my family (Conrans of Clonmelsh) with descendants of other Carlow Conrans, I think it's probably time to try a DNA test.Not sure which company to use; good arguments presented for both companies. Thanks everyone for sharing stories and info; very helpful. Karen. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Currently, I have seen quite a few emails in regards to DNA testing coming up the pike in the Carlow group. I have been dragging my feet since 2010 deciding what DNA test to take and have watched in several genealogy groups emails related to DNA testing. By watching what members wrote and what I had been sent in personal emails from one of the group members, Dr Colleen Fitzpatrick, a Forensic Genealogist who has done large scale group DNA testing and has experience working with many of the DNA companies, I had it narrowed down to FTDNA Family Finder test and was waiting on a sale. When I saw the note last week by someone in the Carlow group that FTDNA had the sale I was ready to purchase it, but wanted to get Colleen's feedback first to see if she had any new information. I received the following email dated on Jun 15 and decided to buy the 23andme kits per her email. It sounded like a really good deal and provided both medical testing and genealogy related info that I can upload to FTDNA and also have 2 databases to compare my results to. I have the following copied from one of my emails and thought it can help explain what 23andme does and then below that is an easy explanation of the various markers that FTDNA provides for the Y-DNA testing: 1) Email explaining 23andme and its benefits: Note: In brackets is my addition. "There is another company 23andme that offers the same test [as Family Finder FTDNA] for $99. They also give you information on medical tendencies. Because of this, your matches are kept anonymous at first and you have to send them an invitation to share, so you don't get as many replies as with FTDNA, but there is an advantage. Once you test with 23andme you can download your raw data. You can upload the raw data to FTDNA (they take out any medical-related information) for another $99. So if you do it this way, you can find matches at both companies for the same price FTDNA charges to test directly. And although you have fewer people sharing genomes with you at 23andme, their database is about 5 to 6 times larger." Email by Colleen Fitzpatrick sent to Tanya Whitaker on Jun 15, 2013 at 1409 EST "23andme is primarily interested in 'genome-wide association studies'. This means they test people's genomes and also take surveys on health-related topics such as who has heart problems - also physical characteristics such as who has brown hair or who can taste certain flavors. Then they correlate which people have certain genetic markers with which people have certain physical characteristics or ailments. (But they don't test genes.) It's kind of like Google. They gather information on people who do use the Google search engine. A good example is the fact that Google is the first organization to know about an outbreak of the flu. They correlate information about who is searching for information about cold remedies with geography. As part of their product, 23andme checks which of your markers show up in all their data and give you estimates on your likelihood (relative to the general population) of developing.various ailments. The CEO of 23andme is the wife of the man who founded Google. Anyway, ancestry and genealogy is not their first interest but they do offer a good product in this area. Yes you can download your raw data from 23andme and upload it to FTDNA. There have been issues with FTDNA uploading data from 23amdme because 23andme upgraded their system last year. To continue to accept 23andme data, FTDNA had to upgrade too and it took them several months to get that done. It seems like the problem is solved for the moment. There is another upgrade that will be available in August from the companies that manufacture the DNA test. It is not known yet if this will be repeated and 23andme will upgrade and FTDNA will follow suit again. All this being said, 23andme is still the largest database with the lowest price. You get info on medical tendencies along with genealogical information on matches and ancestry. The ancestry predictions of 23andme are not necessarily accurate especially of you have a mixed ancestry. But this is a result of a limitation all the companies face and not just 23andme and not because 23andme doesn't specialize in genealogy. FTDNA's predictions can be worse. The genealogy part of 23andme is great. It has the limitation that your matches are initially anonymous and you have to ask them to share info with you. But their customer database is 5 or so times larger than FTDNA's and you do get info on medical tendencies. 23andme is also much less expensive. You can upload your data to FTDNA. There were delays in seeing it appear on the FTDNA website, and they may happen again when the next version of the DNA test is released, but you are still coming our way ahead by testing at 23andme." Portion of email from Colleen Fitzpatrick to Tanya Whitaker on Jun 16, 2013 at 1116 EST 2) Email about FTDNA markers: "Imagine you are in a room with 1,000 people and you want to find which ones live close to you in Huntington Beach, California. You ask all the people to group themselves according to which state (including the District of Columbia) they live in. You dismiss everyone who is not from California. Although you have ruled out the majority of the people, you still have quite a few remaining. This is equivalent to a 12 marker test. It serves as a rule out to eliminate people who are probably not even remotely related to you, but the remaining pool still includes people that are not “relatives”. In the next step, you ask all the people from California to group themselves according to the county they live in. You dismiss everyone who does not live in Orange Co. You have reduced your pool of candidates, but you still have many people who do not live in Huntington Beach. This is equivalent to upgrading to 25 markers. You ask the remaining people who live in Orange Co. to group themselves according to which city they live in, and dismiss all those who do not live in Huntington Beach. This is equivalent to upgrading to 37 markers. Family Tree DNA offers Y-DNA testing on 67 markers. Testing at this level is analogous to sorting people according to what street they live on, and dismissing everyone who does not live on your street. Family Tree DNA’s 111 marker test is equivalent to asking the few remaining people what address they live at on that street." By Colleen Fitzpatrick from email on 4/28/2013 in Fitzpatrick Clan group Tanya

One aspect to consider is the cost of postage and packaging. I got the info from 23andme for delivery to Ireland, it is $80 for one kit and $49 for each additional kit. I don't know what it is for the other companies. Brendan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "karen conderan" <kcond@live.ca> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 18 June, 2013 3:41:33 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test I have long considered DNA testing but haven't actually done it.Since I haven't had much luck connecting my family (Conrans of Clonmelsh) with descendants of other Carlow Conrans, I think it's probably time to try a DNA test.Not sure which company to use; good arguments presented for both companies. Thanks everyone for sharing stories and info; very helpful. Karen.

Wow, you got a deal, Brendan! I just ordered from the US and the price was $99 for the first kit and 20% off for any additional = $80 for the 2nd kit. Either you bought your kits a while ago or that is how much better the exchange rate is for the Euro compared to the dollar. Also, 23andme does not do any Y-DNA testing just for an FYI. FTDNA is the one to go for that. Tanya -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of straboe1@eircom.net Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:11 AM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test One aspect to consider is the cost of postage and packaging. I got the info from 23andme for delivery to Ireland, it is $80 for one kit and $49 for each additional kit. I don't know what it is for the other companies. Brendan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "karen conderan" <kcond@live.ca> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 18 June, 2013 3:41:33 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test I have long considered DNA testing but haven't actually done it.Since I haven't had much luck connecting my family (Conrans of Clonmelsh) with descendants of other Carlow Conrans, I think it's probably time to try a DNA test.Not sure which company to use; good arguments presented for both companies. Thanks everyone for sharing stories and info; very helpful. Karen. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I went with FTDNA with some trepidation as to the cost but only during their periodic "specials", which still are far from cheap. If you plan to go that way, register with them and await these specials offers. My decision was made by listening to very experienced genealogical researchers who had been right into the whole topic. I did not go into it for medical reasons. Tanya's posts may suggest that the best of both uses can be had by going to both 23and me and FTDNA. I know nothing about 23and me. Obviously, the limit on success will always be the numbers who don't have the tests OR don't make the results available. This was Susie's case - to have our own Carlow database. FTDNA, 23and me or whoever you pay to do the tests do not own the results. You can obtain the results and publish them anywhere. I know FTDNA have groups, such as surname groups, that attempt to bring people with like interests together. Personally I find their website clunky despite admirable attempts to supply all relevant information, research, statistics and links. No John, the tests do not hurt. I think that there are differing collection methods. FTDNA supplies a kit that requires a mouth swab by a type of cotton bud that you place in the supplied sterile container and return to them. The results are retained indefinitely in case a new type of test emerges, in which case your original sample can be used for such new test. In my case, I did not do the test with Carlow in mind. My Carlow ancestry is almost entirely female and there are suggestions that my oldest known direct female ancestor, Alicia Wyly, came from France. She married Joseph Malone, the Rathmore miller I noted at the list a couple of days ago. I see DNA being most useful in a particular case to do with my HALPIN ancestors to overcome the lack of reliable records going back in time. My known Halpin ancestors and their relations come from Wicklow and Dublin. They were active and successful Church of Ireland families. There was an equally active COI Halpin family that derived from Portarlington, Queens/Laois, who interact with mine in so many instances but no records can be found so far to confirm this suggested link. If I can get direct male descendants of each line to take the DNA test, so strong are the yDNA inherited markers that a relationship should be able to be confirmed or ruled out. The yDNA test is that strong (except in cases illegitimacy). So, if you feel that your surname line MAY be related to another, DNA gives an added line of research. But also, as Susie was saying, there is also the so-called Family Finder test, which by means that are beyond my poor comprehension profess to be able to combine all markers to indicate possible cousin connections with degrees of likeness. Within a designated area of origin, such as Co Carlow, the chances of finding cousins improves. But this depends on numbers having DNA tests. And here is the Catch 22. The tests are expensive (but one off) with no guarantees of finding any matches. But if you don't have the test, you will never know. Keep in mind that one member of your family having the test covers a large number of known members of your family, so you could elect to share the cost. I may be wrong but I should think that getting the oldest living member/s of your family of interest to have the test might narrow the dilution effect (except direct male yDNA, especially, and direct female mitochondrial markers). If you have technical questions, Rootsweb and others have DNA lists but I warn that much of the discussion can be highly involved and way over my head, but impressive nonetheless. Bill -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Warren Sent: Monday, 17 June 2013 12:21 PM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing - Some proof! Hi John I made this suggestion [for people who might be interested] based on my own personal experience. I have nothing to gain financially by promoting DNA testing only looking to expand my own research. I thought as a group it might prove worthwhile to our list as we all have one thing in common - CARLOW. We share all our information on Carlow and this would be taking it one step further! It will only be useful if the results are all available in one data base - that is why I suggested we use Family Tree DNA which are running a special at the moment and as I have used it myself for a number of test for myself and my husband. I believe that you can upload your results to some of the other data bases for a fee but I haven't done this myself as yet. To prove it works and to isolate the Warren cousins specifically - one of Rob's females cousins from Canada undertook a Family Finder test. Family Tree did not know they were connected in anyway as she has a totally different surname and lives in another country. She came up in his data base as a 2nd cousin, and he in hers, which she is; as their grandfathers were brothers from Tullow, Co Carlow. So I proved it works which was a concern to me also and I think this should cover your query as to decent proof! So a male cousin was linked to a female cousin with a totally different surname which I think is a marvelous DNA test and the most useful one for females as well as males. I don't believe DNA testing is flawed and I say this because of our own personal experience. Many years ago, my husband got a call from a girl friend from his distant past - saying he was the father of her child which she had given up for adoption. A huge shock for us ALL - especially as it was over thirty years since he had seen her and never knew of her terrible dilemma! Our family had a wonderful relationship with his new found son although he lived on the other side of the world! After six years, we decided to do a paternal DNA test when they became available for legalities with wills etc. They undertook a paternal DNA test which said they were not father and son!! It was a terrible shock and we were all devastated and couldn't believe it. The happy ending to this saga is that we all still have a very close relationship and he is still a part of our family although not related by DNA! We had the tests done at least three times at different labs in the UK and Australia - his birth mother contributed DNA for testing as well. The results from all the tests showed that the results were absolutely identical - not just YES or NO - but each marker that was tested gave identical readings- some 16 different markers from memory. You get half of the DNA from the mother and half from the father. So you eliminate those identical with the mother and the remaining have to be an exact match with the father. All very interesting from a scientific point of view but can be devastating from a personal one. As a result I have absolutely no doubts about the accuracy of DNA testing. That's it from me on this subject as I am going away for a month. For those interest in this exercise I suggest we all use the one company to keep things simple. Susie Warren -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Shepperd Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:57 PM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 214 Probably a good deal of flawed science in this, as well as heavy marketing. It is a nice idea, but has enormous potential for duping the innocent of Carlow! We need decent proof that this system is valid. John

I have long considered DNA testing but haven't actually done it.Since I haven't had much luck connecting my family (Conrans of Clonmelsh) with descendants of other Carlow Conrans, I think it's probably time to try a DNA test.Not sure which company to use; good arguments presented for both companies. Thanks everyone for sharing stories and info; very helpful. Karen. > From: ousie@optusnet.com.au > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:59:12 +1000 > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test > > > FAMILY FINDER. > Match with five generations of family - Family Finder & Genealogy > With our autosomal Family Finder test you may extend the power of genetic > genealogy to all of your ancestors. > Using a test of your own DNA, you can discover connections to descendants of > all SIXTEEN of your great-great-grandparents! > The Family Finder test will not only open avenues for traditional research > but will help you discover the hidden connections that could explain your > family's migrations. > We place you in control. > When you take the Family Finder test, your results are compared against our > Family Finder database. > Your list of matches is designed to be quickly sorted to allow you to focus > on your near or distant cousins. > Because email addresses are provided for easy communication with your near > or distant cousins you will be able to share research easily. > We notify you by email when you have new matches. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for these Conran entries, Mick.I do have a record of one John Conran of Davis's HIll during that era, but not two...Given the alternate spellings below , it seems to refer to two different people.Karen. > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 17:31:58 +0100 > From: carlowmike@gmail.com > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1836,Clowry+Conran > > Carlow Sentinel. > January 1836. > Registering to vote, will be examined at Tullow Court-house in January 1836. > Patrick Clowry, Farmer, Freeholder, House and Lands, Ballaghmor, £10. > John Conran, Farmer, Freeholder, House and Land, Davis's Hill, £10. > John Connoran, Farmer, Freeholder, House and Land, Davis's Hill, £10. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bill, Thank you for all of your great information and that there is extra information on subject of DNA testing. By reading and understanding part of what you have below, we have a similar scenario in that we have a large paper trail in the border area of Carlow/Wexford in Barragh Parrish and St. Mary's Newtonbarry with Rothwell and Fitzpatrick and other related kin from same area with theories. We are adding DNA testing to enhance the paper trail and hopefully put some truth to probabilities. Whatever everyone in the Carlow group decides to test with, I would like to add my mother's results that will eventually be uploaded to the FTDNA database and compare to others in the area to see how who or how many my family connects with. Not sure how all of that works by adding separate results to a group, however hope it can be done. Tanya -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 6:53 PM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing - Some proof! I went with FTDNA with some trepidation as to the cost but only during their periodic "specials", which still are far from cheap. If you plan to go that way, register with them and await these specials offers. My decision was made by listening to very experienced genealogical researchers who had been right into the whole topic. I did not go into it for medical reasons. Tanya's posts may suggest that the best of both uses can be had by going to both 23and me and FTDNA. I know nothing about 23and me. Obviously, the limit on success will always be the numbers who don't have the tests OR don't make the results available. This was Susie's case - to have our own Carlow database. FTDNA, 23and me or whoever you pay to do the tests do not own the results. You can obtain the results and publish them anywhere. I know FTDNA have groups, such as surname groups, that attempt to bring people with like interests together. Personally I find their website clunky despite admirable attempts to supply all relevant information, research, statistics and links. No John, the tests do not hurt. I think that there are differing collection methods. FTDNA supplies a kit that requires a mouth swab by a type of cotton bud that you place in the supplied sterile container and return to them. The results are retained indefinitely in case a new type of test emerges, in which case your original sample can be used for such new test. In my case, I did not do the test with Carlow in mind. My Carlow ancestry is almost entirely female and there are suggestions that my oldest known direct female ancestor, Alicia Wyly, came from France. She married Joseph Malone, the Rathmore miller I noted at the list a couple of days ago. I see DNA being most useful in a particular case to do with my HALPIN ancestors to overcome the lack of reliable records going back in time. My known Halpin ancestors and their relations come from Wicklow and Dublin. They were active and successful Church of Ireland families. There was an equally active COI Halpin family that derived from Portarlington, Queens/Laois, who interact with mine in so many instances but no records can be found so far to confirm this suggested link. If I can get direct male descendants of each line to take the DNA test, so strong are the yDNA inherited markers that a relationship should be able to be confirmed or ruled out. The yDNA test is that strong (except in cases illegitimacy). So, if you feel that your surname line MAY be related to another, DNA gives an added line of research. But also, as Susie was saying, there is also the so-called Family Finder test, which by means that are beyond my poor comprehension profess to be able to combine all markers to indicate possible cousin connections with degrees of likeness. Within a designated area of origin, such as Co Carlow, the chances of finding cousins improves. But this depends on numbers having DNA tests. And here is the Catch 22. The tests are expensive (but one off) with no guarantees of finding any matches. But if you don't have the test, you will never know. Keep in mind that one member of your family having the test covers a large number of known members of your family, so you could elect to share the cost. I may be wrong but I should think that getting the oldest living member/s of your family of interest to have the test might narrow the dilution effect (except direct male yDNA, especially, and direct female mitochondrial markers). If you have technical questions, Rootsweb and others have DNA lists but I warn that much of the discussion can be highly involved and way over my head, but impressive nonetheless. Bill -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Warren Sent: Monday, 17 June 2013 12:21 PM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing - Some proof! Hi John I made this suggestion [for people who might be interested] based on my own personal experience. I have nothing to gain financially by promoting DNA testing only looking to expand my own research. I thought as a group it might prove worthwhile to our list as we all have one thing in common - CARLOW. We share all our information on Carlow and this would be taking it one step further! It will only be useful if the results are all available in one data base - that is why I suggested we use Family Tree DNA which are running a special at the moment and as I have used it myself for a number of test for myself and my husband. I believe that you can upload your results to some of the other data bases for a fee but I haven't done this myself as yet. To prove it works and to isolate the Warren cousins specifically - one of Rob's females cousins from Canada undertook a Family Finder test. Family Tree did not know they were connected in anyway as she has a totally different surname and lives in another country. She came up in his data base as a 2nd cousin, and he in hers, which she is; as their grandfathers were brothers from Tullow, Co Carlow. So I proved it works which was a concern to me also and I think this should cover your query as to decent proof! So a male cousin was linked to a female cousin with a totally different surname which I think is a marvelous DNA test and the most useful one for females as well as males. I don't believe DNA testing is flawed and I say this because of our own personal experience. Many years ago, my husband got a call from a girl friend from his distant past - saying he was the father of her child which she had given up for adoption. A huge shock for us ALL - especially as it was over thirty years since he had seen her and never knew of her terrible dilemma! Our family had a wonderful relationship with his new found son although he lived on the other side of the world! After six years, we decided to do a paternal DNA test when they became available for legalities with wills etc. They undertook a paternal DNA test which said they were not father and son!! It was a terrible shock and we were all devastated and couldn't believe it. The happy ending to this saga is that we all still have a very close relationship and he is still a part of our family although not related by DNA! We had the tests done at least three times at different labs in the UK and Australia - his birth mother contributed DNA for testing as well. The results from all the tests showed that the results were absolutely identical - not just YES or NO - but each marker that was tested gave identical readings- some 16 different markers from memory. You get half of the DNA from the mother and half from the father. So you eliminate those identical with the mother and the remaining have to be an exact match with the father. All very interesting from a scientific point of view but can be devastating from a personal one. As a result I have absolutely no doubts about the accuracy of DNA testing. That's it from me on this subject as I am going away for a month. For those interest in this exercise I suggest we all use the one company to keep things simple. Susie Warren -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Shepperd Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:57 PM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 214 Probably a good deal of flawed science in this, as well as heavy marketing. It is a nice idea, but has enormous potential for duping the innocent of Carlow! We need decent proof that this system is valid. John ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

ok then, I'll do it. Does it hurt? Hope it doesn't turn up any family scandals! John. > From: irl-carlow-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 218 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 01:00:35 -0600 > > > > Before you send an email to this List you must first of all subscribe to the List. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. DNA Testing - Some proof! (Susan Warren) > 2. Re: DNA Testing-23andMe and FTDNA Databases (Trevor Clowry) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:20:34 +1000 > From: "Susan Warren" <ousie@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing - Some proof! > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002901ce6b01$3fbbba90$bf332fb0$@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi John > > I made this suggestion [for people who might be interested] based on my own > personal experience. > I have nothing to gain financially by promoting DNA testing only looking to > expand my own research. > I thought as a group it might prove worthwhile to our list as we all have > one thing in common - CARLOW. > We share all our information on Carlow and this would be taking it one step > further! > > It will only be useful if the results are all available in one data base - > that is why I suggested we use > Family Tree DNA which are running a special at the moment and as I have used > it myself for a number of test for myself and my husband. > I believe that you can upload your results to some of the other data bases > for a fee but I haven't done this myself as yet. > > To prove it works and to isolate the Warren cousins specifically - one of > Rob's females cousins from Canada undertook a Family Finder test. > Family Tree did not know they were connected in anyway as she has a totally > different surname and lives in another country. > She came up in his data base as a 2nd cousin, and he in hers, which she is; > as their grandfathers were brothers from Tullow, Co Carlow. > So I proved it works which was a concern to me also and I think this should > cover your query as to decent proof! > > So a male cousin was linked to a female cousin with a totally different > surname which I think is a marvelous DNA test > and the most useful one for females as well as males. > > I don't believe DNA testing is flawed and I say this because of our own > personal experience. > > Many years ago, my husband got a call from a girl friend from his distant > past - saying he was the father of her child which she had given up for > adoption. > A huge shock for us ALL - especially as it was over thirty years since he > had seen her and never knew of her terrible dilemma! > Our family had a wonderful relationship with his new found son although he > lived on the other side of the world! > After six years, we decided to do a paternal DNA test when they became > available for legalities with wills etc. > > They undertook a paternal DNA test which said they were not father and son!! > It was a terrible shock and we were all devastated and couldn't believe it. > The happy ending to this saga is that we all still have a very close > relationship and he is still a part of our family although not related by > DNA! > > We had the tests done at least three times at different labs in the UK and > Australia - his birth mother contributed DNA for testing as well. > The results from all the tests showed that the results were absolutely > identical - not just YES or NO - but each marker that was tested gave > identical readings- some 16 different markers from memory. > You get half of the DNA from the mother and half from the father. So you > eliminate those identical with the mother and the remaining have to be an > exact match with the father. > All very interesting from a scientific point of view but can be devastating > from a personal one. > As a result I have absolutely no doubts about the accuracy of DNA testing. > > That's it from me on this subject as I am going away for a month. > For those interest in this exercise I suggest we all use the one company to > keep things simple. > > Susie Warren > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Shepperd > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:57 PM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 214 > > Probably a good deal of flawed science in this, as well as heavy marketing. > It is a nice idea, but has enormous potential for duping the innocent of > Carlow! > > We need decent proof that this system is valid. > > John > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 06:46:28 +0100 > From: "Trevor Clowry" <trevor.clowry@roomthree.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing-23andMe and FTDNA Databases > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <48E93B4BED8D354181BE63C5BEE6BC140136A365@server.Roomthree.dub> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Tanya, > I have a profile on 23andme and it has connected me to numerous > relations. > The $99 dollars does not include delivery costs which if I remember is > quite high. > It does give you some great insights into potential medical issues. If > anyone wants to see my account, let me know and I can let you log in > under my account. > Trevor > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Whitaker > Sent: 15 June 2013 19:23 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing-23andMe and FTDNA Databases > > Thought I would share the following, which is a better deal than the > sale > price offered by FTDNA. > > There is another company 23andme that offers the same test for $99. > They > also give you information on medical tendencies. Because of this, your > matches are kept anonymous at first and you have to send them an > invitation > to share, so you don't get as many replies as with FTDNA. In addition, > there is an advantage. Once you test with 23andme you can download your > raw > data. You can upload the raw data to FTDNA (they take out any > medical-related information) for another $99. So if you do it this way, > you > can find matches at both companies for the same price FTDNA charges to > test > directly. And although you have fewer people sharing genomes with you > at > 23andme, their database is about 5 to 6 times larger. > > Also, I looked on the website and if one orders more than one kit there > is a > 20% discount for each additional kit. > > https://www.23andme.com/ > > Tanya > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Brennan > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:00 AM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > > As Thomas Reed mentions below he has not found any Carlow cousins > through > DNA Testing. > > Is this because only a small number of people have contributed their > DNA? > > I cant find any figures for Irish DNA. > > It would be interesting to see what counties have submitted their DNA. > > There are lots of DNA services and there is even an British Isle DNA > Project > http://www.britishislesdna.com/ but obviously there is a cost and I > suppose > not every one can afford this cost today. > > Regards > Michael Brennan > County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ > My Laois Page: > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) > From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <32815203.110991371254737224.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp14> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Michael: > > My Y DNA is not helpful for any Carlow ancestors, because my ancestors > are > on my maternal line. I have a mitrocondrial DNA sampling as well, but > all > that does is identify very distant relatives, so far none from Carlow > (but > one from Longford, also on my mother's side). > > As you might have guessed, my Reeds were from Ulster (possibly near > Londonderry) and emigrated to Pennsylvania Province at the beginning of > the > 18th century. Prior to 1600 or so, my Reeds were border reivers living > in > the Middle March on the English side. > > Tom Reed > New Castle, Delaware, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3199/6413 - Release Date: > 06/15/13 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-CARLOW list administrator, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 218 > ******************************************

Hi John I made this suggestion [for people who might be interested] based on my own personal experience. I have nothing to gain financially by promoting DNA testing only looking to expand my own research. I thought as a group it might prove worthwhile to our list as we all have one thing in common - CARLOW. We share all our information on Carlow and this would be taking it one step further! It will only be useful if the results are all available in one data base - that is why I suggested we use Family Tree DNA which are running a special at the moment and as I have used it myself for a number of test for myself and my husband. I believe that you can upload your results to some of the other data bases for a fee but I haven't done this myself as yet. To prove it works and to isolate the Warren cousins specifically - one of Rob's females cousins from Canada undertook a Family Finder test. Family Tree did not know they were connected in anyway as she has a totally different surname and lives in another country. She came up in his data base as a 2nd cousin, and he in hers, which she is; as their grandfathers were brothers from Tullow, Co Carlow. So I proved it works which was a concern to me also and I think this should cover your query as to decent proof! So a male cousin was linked to a female cousin with a totally different surname which I think is a marvelous DNA test and the most useful one for females as well as males. I don't believe DNA testing is flawed and I say this because of our own personal experience. Many years ago, my husband got a call from a girl friend from his distant past - saying he was the father of her child which she had given up for adoption. A huge shock for us ALL - especially as it was over thirty years since he had seen her and never knew of her terrible dilemma! Our family had a wonderful relationship with his new found son although he lived on the other side of the world! After six years, we decided to do a paternal DNA test when they became available for legalities with wills etc. They undertook a paternal DNA test which said they were not father and son!! It was a terrible shock and we were all devastated and couldn't believe it. The happy ending to this saga is that we all still have a very close relationship and he is still a part of our family although not related by DNA! We had the tests done at least three times at different labs in the UK and Australia - his birth mother contributed DNA for testing as well. The results from all the tests showed that the results were absolutely identical - not just YES or NO - but each marker that was tested gave identical readings- some 16 different markers from memory. You get half of the DNA from the mother and half from the father. So you eliminate those identical with the mother and the remaining have to be an exact match with the father. All very interesting from a scientific point of view but can be devastating from a personal one. As a result I have absolutely no doubts about the accuracy of DNA testing. That's it from me on this subject as I am going away for a month. For those interest in this exercise I suggest we all use the one company to keep things simple. Susie Warren -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Shepperd Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:57 PM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 214 Probably a good deal of flawed science in this, as well as heavy marketing. It is a nice idea, but has enormous potential for duping the innocent of Carlow! We need decent proof that this system is valid. John

Thank you for the extremely rare mention of my ancestor, Joseph Malone (1792-1866), farmer and mill owner of Rathmore. This family never seemed to get involved in politics of the time but here he is. He was a tenant of Kane Bunbury in Griffiths and is covered in Turtle's histories at http://www.turtlebunbury.com/family/bunburyfamily_lisnavagh/CaptainWillMcCB/ bunburyfamily_lisnavagh_captainwill18471852.html a bit over half way down the page. Bill -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Friend of Carlow Sent: Sunday, 16 June 2013 5:03 AM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1835,Amended transcription. Here is amended transcription for 1835 document, please disregard previous posting, sorry about the confusion. >From P.P.P. Document in T.C. Butler legal papers. Grand Jury sworn in at Carlow Sessions held on Saturday 4th April 1835 to enquire, with rigid impartiality, before The Carlow Borough Registry, into eligibility of persons to hold a franchise to vote at Elections in and for the County of Carlow. Chairman - Samuel Robinson, Esquire, Gentleman. Lawyer. Assistant Barrister - James Bessonett, Esquire, Gentleman. Recorder - Thomas Crawford Butler, Esquire, Attorney. Barristers - Mr. Hayes, Esquire, Barrister ; Mr Berwick, Esquire, Barrister. Henry Carey, Foreman ; Benjamin Bunbury, Thomas Elliot, Samuel Haughton, William Galbraith, George Anderson, James Kehoe, Thomas Donoghoe, Patrick Finn, William O' Neill, James Smith, Thomas Maher, James Lalor, William Bernard, John Curran, Patrick Kehoe. Witnesses - Sir Thomas Butler, Bart., Major Cornwall, Colonel Bruen, Captain Vignoles, Mr. Alexander, rep. John Alexander, the elder, John Alexander, the younger, Guilelmus Earl, George Faircloth, George Crofton, Henry Faulkiner, George W. Colcough, James Hardy Eustace, Thomas Watson, Samuel Watson, Robert Browne, William Galbraith,Thomas C. Bunbury, Patrick Hickey, Patrick Neill, Thomas Nolan, Peter Nowlan, Simon Hennesy, James Ruddick, James Clowry, John Clowry, John Crowe, James Butler, Archibold Sly, Michael Nolan, Joseph Malone, Michael Hennessy, Patrick Byrne, Thomas Murphy, John McDaniel, George Rigney, Owen Cummins, Patrick Kinsella, Hugh Cummins, John Kinsella, John Byrne. George Colcough, John Leonard, Timothy Murphy, Thomas Wynne. Popish priests - T.Tyrrell, J.Cummins, J.Gahon, J.Walsh. J.Maher. T. Kehoe.

Hi Tanya, I have a profile on 23andme and it has connected me to numerous relations. The $99 dollars does not include delivery costs which if I remember is quite high. It does give you some great insights into potential medical issues. If anyone wants to see my account, let me know and I can let you log in under my account. Trevor -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Whitaker Sent: 15 June 2013 19:23 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing-23andMe and FTDNA Databases Thought I would share the following, which is a better deal than the sale price offered by FTDNA. There is another company 23andme that offers the same test for $99. They also give you information on medical tendencies. Because of this, your matches are kept anonymous at first and you have to send them an invitation to share, so you don't get as many replies as with FTDNA. In addition, there is an advantage. Once you test with 23andme you can download your raw data. You can upload the raw data to FTDNA (they take out any medical-related information) for another $99. So if you do it this way, you can find matches at both companies for the same price FTDNA charges to test directly. And although you have fewer people sharing genomes with you at 23andme, their database is about 5 to 6 times larger. Also, I looked on the website and if one orders more than one kit there is a 20% discount for each additional kit. https://www.23andme.com/ Tanya -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Brennan Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:00 AM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing As Thomas Reed mentions below he has not found any Carlow cousins through DNA Testing. Is this because only a small number of people have contributed their DNA? I cant find any figures for Irish DNA. It would be interesting to see what counties have submitted their DNA. There are lots of DNA services and there is even an British Isle DNA Project http://www.britishislesdna.com/ but obviously there is a cost and I suppose not every one can afford this cost today. Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <32815203.110991371254737224.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp14> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Michael: My Y DNA is not helpful for any Carlow ancestors, because my ancestors are on my maternal line. I have a mitrocondrial DNA sampling as well, but all that does is identify very distant relatives, so far none from Carlow (but one from Longford, also on my mother's side). As you might have guessed, my Reeds were from Ulster (possibly near Londonderry) and emigrated to Pennsylvania Province at the beginning of the 18th century. Prior to 1600 or so, my Reeds were border reivers living in the Middle March on the English side. Tom Reed New Castle, Delaware, USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3199/6413 - Release Date: 06/15/13

In response to member's posts about their experiences with various DNA company s' and their tests, I have information from one who performs large scale DNA projects (see Duke University link to article I sent) who has shared a scientific explanation about the genealogy results of 23andme and that they have the same test as FTDNA's family finder test. The raw data from 23andme can be uploaded to FTDNA minus the medical data and one can have access to 2 databases (FTDNA's and the larger 23andme database). I have taken several months of watching/reading emails from 2 genealogy email groups, Polish Genius and Fitzpatrick Clan, watching both members' (including Forensic Genealogist Dr Fitzpatrick) experiences and am putting trust in what I have learned about both the financial and genealogy related benefits of 23andme's test and associated accumulated emails supporting it. Tanya Trevor Clowry <trevor.clowry@roomthree.com> wrote:Hi Tanya, I have a profile on 23andme and it has connected me to numerous relations. The $99 dollars does not include delivery costs which if I remember is quite high. It does give you some great insights into potential medical issues. If anyone wants to see my account, let me know and I can let you log in under my account. Trevor -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Whitaker Sent: 15 June 2013 19:23 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing-23andMe and FTDNA Databases Thought I would share the following, which is a better deal than the sale price offered by FTDNA.  There is another company 23andme that offers the same test for $99. They also give you information on medical tendencies. Because of this, your matches are kept anonymous at first and you have to send them an invitation to share, so you don't get as many replies as with FTDNA.  In addition, there is an advantage.  Once you test with 23andme you can download your raw data.  You can upload the raw data to FTDNA (they take out any medical-related information) for another $99.  So if you do it this way, you can find matches at both companies for the same price FTDNA charges to test directly.  And although you have fewer people sharing genomes with you at 23andme, their database is about 5 to 6 times larger. Also, I looked on the website and if one orders more than one kit there is a 20% discount for each additional kit. https://www.23andme.com/ Tanya -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Brennan Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:00 AM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing As Thomas Reed mentions below he has not found any Carlow cousins through DNA Testing. Is this because only a small number of people have contributed their DNA? I cant find any figures for Irish DNA. It would be interesting to see what counties have submitted their DNA. There are lots of DNA services and there is even an British Isle DNA Project http://www.britishislesdna.com/ but obviously there is a cost and I suppose not every one can afford this cost today. Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <32815203.110991371254737224.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp14> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Michael: My Y DNA is not helpful for any Carlow ancestors, because my ancestors are on my maternal line.  I have a mitrocondrial DNA sampling as well, but all that does is identify very distant relatives, so far none from Carlow (but one from Longford, also on my mother's side). As you might have guessed, my Reeds were from Ulster (possibly near Londonderry) and emigrated to Pennsylvania Province at the beginning of the 18th century. Prior to 1600 or so, my Reeds were border reivers living in the Middle March on the English side. Tom Reed New Castle, Delaware, USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3199/6413 - Release Date: 06/15/13 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

[ 4 page brochure in the PPP, among the papers bearing the stamp T.C.Crawford. ] Printed for Distribution to the Family and Friends of the late Colonel Henry Bruen. Oak Park Estate, Carlow. FUNERAL CEREMONY AND PROSESSION of the Late and Lamented COLONEL HENRY BRUEN. 1741 - 1795. Soldier - Officer - Gentleman. Member of Parliament. Magistrate. Governor and Custos Rotulorum for County of Carlow. ON Saturday, 19th December 1795 the funeral procession took place from his house at Oak Park Estate to his new town of Nurney of the late Colonel Henry Bruen. The Carlow Militia quartered at Waterford, paraded for the purpose of doing military honors to the memory of their deceased Commandant. The whole regiment were in mourning ; and the late Colonel's sword, sash, gorget, spurs, etc. were bound with crape and borne by an officer. Arms were then ordered to be reversed, and the regiment were put in march by Captain Wolsey, the band playing a Dead March. In this order the regiment proceeded to the review-field, opposite Oak Park House where they formed a line, rested on reversed arms, and gave room for the officer carrying the late Colonel's sword etc. to pass through, the band playing and drums beating a Dead March. The commanding officer, claimed the attention of the Regiment, and with much pathos addressed them. Address by CAPTAIN WOLSEY [ abbreviated ]. " SOLDIERS - BY the grief which I observe in the countenance of this Corps, I am, convinced that it joins heartily with me in the high opinion I had formed of its much lamented late Colonel ; and I shall try to suppress my feelings while I endeavour to explain to you your loss. HE was the soldiers steadfast friend ; as a soldier, he was high indeed in the estimation of veterans, he knew and was known to them all ; and by all was respected. At a very early time of life, as a volunteer, he carried arms on actual service ; soon distinguished himself - and was promoted. >From this period, his military career was a continued train of honourable, intrepid and generous actions ; raised during the late WAR in America, to one of the highest and most important posts in the army, he acted with great gallantry, pushing himself forward in every enterprize of danger. HIS diligence, his generosity, his hospitality, had no bounds; helping his fellow officers in their promotion ; and furnishing an open, a princely table for the whole army -- an army of ABOVE TWENTY THOUSAND MEN ; not merely confining himself to officers of high rank, but embracing the whole of every corps, the navy as well as the army. THE name of - BRUEN AND ABUNDANCE - went hand in hand, were echoed and re-echoed by the unanimous voice of an approving and GRATEFUL ARMY. SUCH were the outlines of his military life ! --- SEE him in the calm retreats of peace !. VIEW him as a citizen, establishing manufactures ; rewarding industry, and rendering by his liberality, a thinly-inhabited and sterile part of Oak Park into a populous and fruitful area. VIEW him as a magistrate ; you recollect the disturbed state of the Collieries in the neighbourhood Carlow in 1793, and their threats against the Inhabitants of Carlow ; you were witness as to how the late Colonel brought these lawless people to a proper sense of their duty and restored confidence to the well-affected and loyal. YOU saw him, in person, apprehend several men in your own County of Carlow, of the most desperate characters ; men who were a pest to society, were in possession of arms, were the terror of their neighbourhood, and had set all law at defiance. In a word you saw him one of the most active magistrates in Carlow. BUT, how shall I talk of him in private life ? - He was the most happy, the most indulgent of husbands, the best of fathers, and a warm and faithful friend. AND, soldiers ! let me not forget on the Solemn occasion, and as the moment of his interment draws near, to remind you, above all, of his acts as a moral man and as a Christian. HE FED THE HUNGRY ; HE CLOATHED THE NAKED ; - HE GAVE PRINCELY SUPPORT TO THE NECESSITOUS ; he built a sanctuary to his God ! - Within the consecrated walls of the Church of Nurney of which his corpse is now about to be deposited." GOD SAVE THE KING. [ end of abbreviated version Captain Wolsey's speech ]. An awful silence followed - the regiment leaning on their reversed arms -- when the band commenced solemn music ; a signal was then given, and the regiment fired three volleys with great precision, the band filling up the interval of time required for reloading. Upon the whole we never were witness to a procession and ceremony more solemn and affecting.

If anyone wants to email me off line I have an informational email about 23andme testing versus FTDNA from the Forensic Genealogist who has been extremely helpful in explaining to another genealogy group I am a member of, the Fitzpatrick Clan webmail group, about DNA testing. She has coordinated large DNA studies, one of which was helping Polish orphans all over the world to find their roots in Poland and is coordinating the Fitzpatrick DNA study. Here is an article about her in Duke University's magazine entitled Super Sleuth: http://www.dukemagazine.duke.edu/article/super-sleuth Tanya -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Shepperd Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:57 PM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 214 Probably a good deal of flawed science in this, as well as heavy marketing. It is a nice idea, but has enormous potential for duping the innocent of Carlow! We need decent proof that this system is valid. John > From: irl-carlow-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 214 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:19:50 -0600 > > > > Before you send an email to this List you must first of all subscribe to the List. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Family Finder DNA test (Susan Warren) > 2. Re: Family Finder DNA test (Tanya Whitaker) > 3. DNA Testing (Michael Brennan) > 4. Re: DNA Testing (Tom LaPorte) > 5. Re: DNA Testing (Thomas Reed) > 6. 1835, Grand Jury, Bunbury, Clowry, Cummins, Anderson, Crowe, > Haughton, etc.etc. (Friend of Carlow) > 7. Re: 1835, Grand Jury, Bunbury, Clowry, Cummins, Anderson, > Crowe, Haughton, etc.etc. (Friend of Carlow) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:59:12 +1000 > From: "Susan Warren" <ousie@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000601ce69a6$9bdb9630$d392c290$@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Brian > There are various DNA tests. > The one I am talking about is called the FAMILY FINDER test. > http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx > > The Y-DNA test which you most probably took only connects you to other > males who descend directly from your own male line. > This test is not for females. > I imagine this is the test which you took Brian. > > FAMILY FINDER. > Match with five generations of family - Family Finder & Genealogy With > our autosomal Family Finder test you may extend the power of genetic > genealogy to all of your ancestors. > Using a test of your own DNA, you can discover connections to > descendants of all SIXTEEN of your great-great-grandparents! > The Family Finder test will not only open avenues for traditional > research but will help you discover the hidden connections that could > explain your family's migrations. > We place you in control. > When you take the Family Finder test, your results are compared > against our Family Finder database. > Your list of matches is designed to be quickly sorted to allow you to > focus on your near or distant cousins. > Because email addresses are provided for easy communication with your > near or distant cousins you will be able to share research easily. > We notify you by email when you have new matches. > > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:26:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: Brian Walsh <sm082987@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: "irl-carlow@rootsweb.com" <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1371259607.13529.YahooMailNeo@web181504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > You know, I took the test and they told me we migrated from Africa to > Ireland. I know I am missing something here, maybe you can help. Brian > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:48:42 -0400 > From: "Tanya Whitaker" <tmmw025@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <007401ce69c6$ab1711e0$014535a0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > This is a wonderful savings compared to the price quoted on the > Allison DNA project website on rootsweb of $289. From being in another genealogy group: > Fitzpatrick Clan, the forensic genealogist in the group explained to > me in a "DNA 101" email that FTDNA is the better organization versus > ancestry.com, even though FTDNA has had its issues of slow service and > missing project DNA results. Emails by group members to the owner of > FTDNA has helped speed up their service and resolve missing result issues. > > Tanya > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Warren > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:59 AM > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Family Finder DNA test > > Hi Brian > There are various DNA tests. > The one I am talking about is called the FAMILY FINDER test. > http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx > > The Y-DNA test which you most probably took only connects you to other > males who descend directly from your own male line. > This test is not for females. > I imagine this is the test which you took Brian. > > FAMILY FINDER. > Match with five generations of family - Family Finder & Genealogy With > our autosomal Family Finder test you may extend the power of genetic > genealogy to all of your ancestors. > Using a test of your own DNA, you can discover connections to > descendants of all SIXTEEN of your great-great-grandparents! > The Family Finder test will not only open avenues for traditional > research but will help you discover the hidden connections that could > explain your family's migrations. > We place you in control. > When you take the Family Finder test, your results are compared > against our Family Finder database. > Your list of matches is designed to be quickly sorted to allow you to > focus on your near or distant cousins. > Because email addresses are provided for easy communication with your > near or distant cousins you will be able to share research easily. > We notify you by email when you have new matches. > > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:26:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: Brian Walsh <sm082987@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: "irl-carlow@rootsweb.com" <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1371259607.13529.YahooMailNeo@web181504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > You know, I took the test and they told me we migrated from Africa to > Ireland. I know I am missing something here, maybe you can help. Brian > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 13:59:43 +0100 > From: "Michael Brennan" <mb006r9209@blueyonder.co.uk> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <17554709C92542ED8AE92B72786BBB1F@HomePC2> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > As Thomas Reed mentions below he has not found any Carlow cousins > through DNA Testing. > > Is this because only a small number of people have contributed their DNA? > > I cant find any figures for Irish DNA. > > It would be interesting to see what counties have submitted their DNA. > > There are lots of DNA services and there is even an British Isle DNA > Project http://www.britishislesdna.com/ but obviously there is a cost > and I suppose not every one can afford this cost today. > > Regards > Michael Brennan > County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ > My Laois Page: > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) > From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <32815203.110991371254737224.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp14> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Michael: > > My Y DNA is not helpful for any Carlow ancestors, because my ancestors > are on my maternal line. I have a mitrocondrial DNA sampling as well, > but all that does is identify very distant relatives, so far none from > Carlow (but one from Longford, also on my mother's side). > > As you might have guessed, my Reeds were from Ulster (possibly near > Londonderry) and emigrated to Pennsylvania Province at the beginning > of the 18th century. Prior to 1600 or so, my Reeds were border reivers > living in the Middle March on the English side. > > Tom Reed > New Castle, Delaware, USA > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:31:29 -0500 > From: Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mymts.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: "irl-carlow@rootsweb.com" <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY156-W718E0A4A94632EABBE121D0810@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > I'm a big supporter of DNA testing but the results totally depend on other people out there having their DNA results on file. > I was lucky I suppose. I'm researching my maternal side, Bowles, so my DNA would not have been useful for maternal matchups but I obtained a male cousin's DNA to submit for the Y DNA test. There was no immediate match but over the next 3 years I had 100% matches on the 25 marker test with Bowles in another part of Canada and one in California. We were able to connect up our trees four generations back and each filled in huge holes in the other's family trees. > I'm eagerly waiting for the next family member to decide to get their DNA tested so I can 'meet' them. > Tom > > > From: mb006r9209@blueyonder.co.uk > > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:53:08 +0100 > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > > > > Family Finder have a $199 special going at the moment for a Family Finder DNA test. > > > > I have undertaken this test myself and have advised some others to do so as it reunites cousins. > > > > Females as well as males can undertake the test and it finds cousins on both sides up to 5th cousins. > > > > It is just a mouth swab and so easy to do. > > > > > > > > I have nothing to gain by promoting this test but thought if members > > from our Carlow list undertook > > > > this test it could bring some amazing connections I believe. People > > who had no idea they connected > > > > and it may really help some of them or us to make some good progress. > > > > > > > > Anyway last time I sent a link to this site it didn?t get posted so > > I thought I would write to you > > > > directly to see what you thought. > > > > > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx > > > > > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/default.aspx > > > > > > From > > Susan Warren<ousie@optusnet.com.au>; > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 13:08:06 -0400 (EDT) > From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <16011135.117901371316086580.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp31> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Michael: > > As you know Y DNA traces male ancestors only. You can rely on Y DNA results when the results show a relatively identical match between men of the same surname. In my case, my Reed YDNA has 12/12 matches with several men named "Gillespie"--a Scottish family. The usual explanation for a match between people with a different surname is that you both had a common ancestor before surnames became common in the 14th-15th century. So I have concluded that people surnamed "Reed" and surnamed "Gillespie" have a common male ancestor about 16 generations back. > > Re Carlow surnames--I have male "Darcy" (in USA "Dorsey") relatives whom I've begged to get a Y DNA test done. So far, none have done so. I can trace my Carlow roots on my mother's side to Murtagh Darcy b. ca. 1818 in Carlow, probably in Myshall Parish in one of three townlands surrounding the chapel at Drumfea, emigrated to the USA via Canada in April-June 1842, settled in Washington County, New York ca. 1845. I have not been able to identify Murt Darcy's father and mother or any of his brothers or sisters, although I have suspects for his father and grand father. > > Tom Reed > New Castle, DE USA > > --------------------------------------- > Original E-mail > >From : Michael Brennan [mb006r9209@blueyonder.co.uk] > Date : 06/15/2013 08:59 AM > To : irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject : [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > > As Thomas Reed mentions below he has not found any Carlow cousins > through DNA Testing. > > Is this because only a small number of people have contributed their DNA? > > I cant find any figures for Irish DNA. > > It would be interesting to see what counties have submitted their DNA. > > There are lots of DNA services and there is even an British Isle DNA > Project http://www.britishislesdna.com/ but obviously there is a cost > and I suppose not every one can afford this cost today. > > Regards > Michael Brennan > County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ > My Laois Page: > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) > From: Thomas Reed <tjreed@mail.widener.edu> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <32815203.110991371254737224.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp14> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Michael: > > My Y DNA is not helpful for any Carlow ancestors, because my ancestors > are on my maternal line. I have a mitrocondrial DNA sampling as well, > but all that does is identify very distant relatives, so far none from > Carlow (but one from Longford, also on my mother's side). > > As you might have guessed, my Reeds were from Ulster (possibly near > Londonderry) and emigrated to Pennsylvania Province at the beginning > of the 18th century. Prior to 1600 or so, my Reeds were border reivers > living in the Middle March on the English side. > > Tom Reed > New Castle, Delaware, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:46:33 +0100 > From: Friend of Carlow <friendsofcarlowtempe@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1835, Grand Jury, Bunbury, Clowry, Cummins, > Anderson, Crowe, Haughton, etc.etc. > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CACXOvdRSc27ikeZmZ0V1+dKsQpAuhUFWHitakP6LKmJ+ivyUmg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >From P.P.P. > Document from T.C. Crawford legal papers. > Grand Jury sworn in at Carlow Sessions held on Saturday 4th April 1835 > to enquire, before The Carlow Borough Registry, with rigid > impartiality into eligibility of persons to hold a franchise to vote > at Elections in and for the County of Carlow. > Chairman - Samuel Robinson, Esquire, Gentleman. Lawyer. > Assistant Barrister - James Bessonett, Esquire, Gentleman. > Recorder - Thomas Crawford Butler, Esquire, Attorney. > Barristers - Mr. Hayes, Esquire, Barrister ; Mr Berwick, Esquire, Barrister. > Henry Carey, Foreman ; Benjamin Bunbury, Thomas Elliot, Samuel > Haughton, William Galbraith, George Anderson, James Kehoe, Thomas > Donoghoe, Patrick Finn, William O' Neill, James Smith, Thomas Maher, > James Lalor, William Bernard, John Curran, Patrick Kehoe. > Witnesses - Sir Thomas Butler, Bart., Major Cornwall, Colonel Bruen, > Captain Vignoles, Mr. Alexander, Guilelmus Earl, George Faircloth, > George Crofton, Henry Faulkiner, George W. Colcough, James Hardy > Eustace, Thomas Watson, Samuel Watson, Robert Browne, Thomas C. > Bunbury, Thomas Nolan, Peter Nowlan, Simon Hennesy, James Ruddick, > James Clowry, John Clowry, John Crowe, James Butler, Archibold Sly, > Michael Nolan, Joseph Malone, Michael Hennessy, Patrick Byrne, Thomas > Murphy, John McDaniel, George Rigney, Owen Cummins, Patrick Kinsella, > Hugh Cummins, John Kinsella, John Byrne. George Colcough, John Leonard, Timothy Murphy, Thomas Wynne. > Popish priests- T.Tyrrell, J.Cummins, J.Gahon, J.Walsh. J.Maher. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:19:13 +0100 > From: Friend of Carlow <friendsofcarlowtempe@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1835, Grand Jury, Bunbury, Clowry, Cummins, > Anderson, Crowe, Haughton, etc.etc. > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CACXOvdTxkkAFvt5dN=K51qanY8OzkjeDOiNFBGqX19bzwDJWGA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Sorry folks, correction to previous email - should read :- > >>>>>>>>From P.P.P. > Document from T.C. Butler, legal papers. > T.Kehoe should be added to Popish priests - T.Tyrrell, J.Cummins, > J.Gahon, J.Walsh. J.Maher. T. Kehoe. > Add to list of Witnesses :- John Alexander, the elder, John Alexander, > the younger, William Galbraith, Patrick Hickey, Patrick Neill, > <<<<<<<<< > > > > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Friend of Carlow < > friendsofcarlowtempe@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From P.P.P. > > Document from T.C. Crawford legal papers. > > Grand Jury sworn in at Carlow Sessions held on Saturday 4th April > > 1835 to enquire, before The Carlow Borough Registry, with rigid > > impartiality into eligibility of persons to hold a franchise to vote > > at Elections in and for the County of Carlow. > > Chairman - Samuel Robinson, Esquire, Gentleman. Lawyer. > > Assistant Barrister - James Bessonett, Esquire, Gentleman. > > Recorder - Thomas Crawford Butler, Esquire, Attorney. > > Barristers - Mr. Hayes, Esquire, Barrister ; Mr Berwick, Esquire, > > Barrister. > > Henry Carey, Foreman ; Benjamin Bunbury, Thomas Elliot, Samuel > > Haughton, William Galbraith, George Anderson, James Kehoe, Thomas > > Donoghoe, Patrick Finn, William O' Neill, James Smith, Thomas Maher, > > James Lalor, William Bernard, John Curran, Patrick Kehoe. > > Witnesses - Sir Thomas Butler, Bart., Major Cornwall, Colonel Bruen, > > Captain Vignoles, Mr. Alexander, Guilelmus Earl, George Faircloth, > > George Crofton, Henry Faulkiner, George W. Colcough, James Hardy > > Eustace, Thomas Watson, Samuel Watson, Robert Browne, Thomas C. > > Bunbury, Thomas Nolan, Peter Nowlan, Simon Hennesy, James Ruddick, > > James Clowry, John Clowry, John Crowe, James Butler, Archibold Sly, > > Michael Nolan, Joseph Malone, Michael Hennessy, Patrick Byrne, > > Thomas Murphy, John McDaniel, George Rigney, Owen Cummins, Patrick > > Kinsella, Hugh Cummins, John Kinsella, John Byrne. George Colcough, John Leonard, Timothy Murphy, Thomas Wynne. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-CARLOW list administrator, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 214 > ****************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carlow Sentinel. February 1835. Examination of persons presenting themselves at the Court-house, Carlow, as eligible to vote. Monday - Second day. Patrick Hickey was cross-examined by Mr Hayes. Hayes - who sent you here to register ? Hickey - Father Tyrrell sent me . Hayes - Did you come here voluntarily ? Hickey - By no means, but I could not help it. Hayes - When did you see Father Tyrrell ? Hickey - I saw him yesterday at the Chapel of Bennekerry with Mr Bunbury, who was at mass !! ( laughter. ). Hayes - What did Father Tyrrell order you to do ?. Hickey - He spoke from the Altar and told me I had a vote and should register it ; My Bunbury did the same. Hayes- Was that the sermon Mr Tyrrell preached ?. Hickey - It was. This man after long examination, in which he evinced no anxiety to register, was rejected for insufficiency of value. Up to Tuesday evening the Conservatives registered fourteen and the Radicals only two -- notwithstanding their exertions to smuggle a hatch of paupers from the Ridge of Old Leighlin into the franchise system. The Barrister adjourned the court to Friday - and proceeded on his way to Bagenalstown and Tullow.

Hello List: I am already subscribed to this list! Please see the email from Michael Brennan on April 26 when I was added to the Carlow list. I am not understanding the following response to my email from yesterday: "Before you send an email to this List you must first of all subscribe to the List." See Michael Brennan's email below: Please advise why I am not recognized on this list? Thank you, Tanya Whitaker From: Michael Brennan [mailto:mb006r9209@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:37 PM To: Tanya Whitaker Subject: Re: Subscribing to List Tanya I have subscribed you to the IRL-Carlow Mailing List which contains a group of like minded people whose main interest is Family & History research for County Carlow. There are no online newspapers for Carlow. You have to go to the County Library to view old papers. Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm Before you send an email to this List you must first of all subscribe to the List. Today's Topics: 1. Re: DNA Testing-23andMe and FTDNA Databases (Tanya Whitaker) ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:22:34 -0400 From: "Tanya Whitaker" <tmmw025@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing-23andMe and FTDNA Databases To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001101ce69f5$4f4ddd10$ede99730$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Thought I would share the following, which is a better deal than the sale price offered by FTDNA. There is another company 23andme that offers the same test for $99. They also give you information on medical tendencies. Because of this, your matches are kept anonymous at first and you have to send them an invitation to share, so you don't get as many replies as with FTDNA. In addition, there is an advantage. Once you test with 23andme you can download your raw data. You can upload the raw data to FTDNA (they take out any medical-related information) for another $99. So if you do it this way, you can find matches at both companies for the same price FTDNA charges to test directly. And although you have fewer people sharing genomes with you at 23andme, their database is about 5 to 6 times larger. Also, I looked on the website and if one orders more than one kit there is a 20% discount for each additional kit. https://www.23andme.com/ Tanya ************ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's my William Bowles all right. The last Bowles to remain in Carlow after all the rest of the family had emigrated to Canada. Patrick Byrne was likely related to him, possibly his brother-in-law, as William married an Ann Byrne that same year, 1836. This is the first reference for William being in trouble with the law but he would remain a small shopkeeper/huckster on Dublin Road until the 1860's when his son Richard would take it over as a shoemaker shop but who died soon after. This is the same William whom I mentioned a few days ago who would die in the Carlow Workhouse in 1886. Thanks Mick, one more detail to add to the family story. Tom > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:05:20 +0100 > From: carlowmike@gmail.com > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1836,Bowles,Byrne,Fenlon,Kane,Flanagan,ROSCIUS. > > [ note added 2013 by Michael Purcell -- > the THEATRE, Carlow was set up for a period at the Assembly Rooms, Dublin > Street in 1836. An advert declares ~~~ > On Tuesday evening, the 1st of March 1836, the AFRICAN ROSCIUS Begs leave > to announce that his BENEFIT And last night of performance in Carlow, will > take place and which he trusts that the novelty, variety, and merit of the > Pieces he has selected, will ensure him a full and fashionable Audience -- > The Performance will commence with Maturins Tragedy of BERTRAM, or, The > Castle of St. Aldobrand ; etc. etc. ~~~ > There is much more on the advert, of which we will post an image later. > " AFRICAN ROSCIUS" is googleable. ] > Carlow Sentinel. > March 1836. > ATTACK ON THE POLICE. > Patt Byrne, William Bowles and Patt Fenlon, were charged at Carlow sessions > with having caused a riot at the entrance to the theatre on Tuesday night, > and with having cut and wounded Michael Kane and Sub-constable Flanagan. > Byrne did not appear - Kane and the sub-constable were dreadfully cut by > one of the ruffians, named Fenlon. > It appears that on entering the theatre Kane was struck and knocked down by > the parties, and that one of them ( Byrne ) declared they would have his > life. > On the arrival of the police those desperate characters attacked them, and > inflicted a deep cut on the face of sub-constable Flanagan. > The magistrates fined them £3 each or two months imprisonment, and a > warrant was issued for the apprehension of Byrne, who is a bailiff. > If the bench proceed in this summary manner to punish the street ruffians > of Carlow, they will soon restore order to the town, which at present is in > so disorderly a state that no constable can execute his duty without > risking his life. > This is chapel morality, at least the result of political harangues from > the Altar. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My nephew subscribed to 23andMe. I understand it is an excellent site for medical information but they do not specialize in genealogy. Most of his background was listed as unspecified European. Although we are an Irish Family only 10% was shown as Irish. -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of irl-carlow-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:01 AM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 8, Issue 215 Before you send an email to this List you must first of all subscribe to the List. Today's Topics: 1. Re: DNA Testing-23andMe and FTDNA Databases (Tanya Whitaker) ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:22:34 -0400 From: "Tanya Whitaker" <tmmw025@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] DNA Testing-23andMe and FTDNA Databases To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001101ce69f5$4f4ddd10$ede99730$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Thought I would share the following, which is a better deal than the sale price offered by FTDNA. There is another company 23andme that offers the same test for $99. They also give you information on medical tendencies. Because of this, your matches are kept anonymous at first and you have to send them an invitation to share, so you don't get as many replies as with FTDNA. In addition, there is an advantage. Once you test with 23andme you can download your raw data. You can upload the raw data to FTDNA (they take out any medical-related information) for another $99. So if you do it this way, you can find matches at both companies for the same price FTDNA charges to test directly. And although you have fewer people sharing genomes with you at 23andme, their database is about 5 to 6 times larger. Also, I looked on the website and if one orders more than one kit there is a 20% discount for each additional kit. https://www.23andme.com/ Tanya ************