Joann, Thank you! That is a place I'd not thought about. Maurice -----Original Message----- From: Joann Taylor <cts@teleport.com> To: irl-carlow <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:18 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Need advice on a visit to Ireland Maurice, Depending on the kind of records you are looking for, you may find the General Register Office research room to be a good place to visit. Check out this web page for a bit more info, holdings, fees and an address. They are relocating this month, so by the time you get there in March, the dust should have settled. http://www.groireland.ie/ Joann Taylor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is a link about the genealogy service at the National Archives http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-service/ It seemed to operate on a "first come first served basis". We were there early and didn't have to wait but there was a line up after us. Another tip - the National Library has a really nice lunch room. Marilyn ________________________________ From: "mauricebursey@aol.com" <mauricebursey@aol.com> To: lppm2003@yahoo.ca; irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:02:43 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Need advice on a visit to Ireland Thank you, Marilyn. Do you have to arrange an appointment with the genealogist at the National Archives?   I know of no Protestant relatives after 1800, but one never knows.   Maurice -----Original Message----- From: lppm2003 <lppm2003@yahoo.ca> To: irl-carlow <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Need advice on a visit to Ireland Maurice, We were in Dublin in May and visited the National Archives. They have a genealogist on staff that will meet with you and give advice. We found it quite helpful. We also visited the National Library where we got into some estate records and also some newspapers. You'll need a readers ticket for each place and you can get them on arrival. Remember to bring your passport for identification. Another place, if you have Protestant ancestors, is the Representative Church Body of the Church of Ireland -  Church of Ireland House, Church Avenue, Rathmines, Dublin 6. They have many parish registers. Marilyn ________________________________ From: "mauricebursey@aol.com" <mauricebursey@aol.com> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:27:28 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Need advice on a visit to Ireland Joann, Thank you! That is a place I'd not thought about. Maurice -----Original Message----- From: Joann Taylor <cts@teleport.com> To: irl-carlow <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:18 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Need advice on a visit to Ireland Maurice, Depending on the kind of records you are looking for, you may find the General Register Office research room to be a good place to visit. Check out this web page for a bit more info, holdings, fees and an address.  They are relocating this month, so by the time you get there in March, the dust should have settled. http://www.groireland.ie/ Joann Taylor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We have added men who joined the Irish Constabulary in 1858. The names are: BAYLE, Thomas BUTLER, Caleb BROPHY, Michael COSTELLOE, Michael DONOHOE, Michael DOWLING, William DUNNE, Daniel FANNING, Matthew [?] HOLLOGAN, John KINSELLA, Patrick LYONS, Patrick MOLLY, James MURPHY, Edward MURPHY, William NOLAN, Edward NEILL, John To see *more info* go to: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ Pick CARLOW and then MILITARY & CONSTABULARY. Thanks, Christina ===========================

Maurice, We were in Dublin in May and visited the National Archives. They have a genealogist on staff that will meet with you and give advice. We found it quite helpful. We also visited the National Library where we got into some estate records and also some newspapers. You'll need a readers ticket for each place and you can get them on arrival. Remember to bring your passport for identification. Another place, if you have Protestant ancestors, is the Representative Church Body of the Church of Ireland -  Church of Ireland House, Church Avenue, Rathmines, Dublin 6. They have many parish registers. Marilyn ________________________________ From: "mauricebursey@aol.com" <mauricebursey@aol.com> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:27:28 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Need advice on a visit to Ireland Joann, Thank you! That is a place I'd not thought about. Maurice -----Original Message----- From: Joann Taylor <cts@teleport.com> To: irl-carlow <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2013 1:18 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Need advice on a visit to Ireland Maurice, Depending on the kind of records you are looking for, you may find the General Register Office research room to be a good place to visit. Check out this web page for a bit more info, holdings, fees and an address.  They are relocating this month, so by the time you get there in March, the dust should have settled. http://www.groireland.ie/ Joann Taylor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maurice, Depending on the kind of records you are looking for, you may find the General Register Office research room to be a good place to visit. Check out this web page for a bit more info, holdings, fees and an address. They are relocating this month, so by the time you get there in March, the dust should have settled. http://www.groireland.ie/ Joann Taylor

After 1922 and the Crown Land redistribution if the castle was Crown land wouldn't it have been assigned by the Irish Free State to the local authority? > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 21:03:02 +0100 > From: carlowmike@gmail.com > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Ownership of Carlow Castle > > Who are the present-day owners of Carlow Castle ?, > is it possible that the Crown retains ownership ? > > > > According to a Lease from King James dated 1604 Donough O' Brien 4th Earl > Thomond was to hold - > > * estate in fee-simple for ever of the Manor of Catherlogh, at the yearly > rent of £23. Reserving and excepting out of the said grant the Castle of > Catherlogh. The said Donough and his son and the longer liver of them to > have the Constableship of the said Castle of Catherlogh, with all the > entertainments as Robert and William Hartpole lately enjoyed*. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Who are the present-day owners of Carlow Castle ?, is it possible that the Crown retains ownership ? According to a Lease from King James dated 1604 Donough O' Brien 4th Earl Thomond was to hold - * estate in fee-simple for ever of the Manor of Catherlogh, at the yearly rent of £23. Reserving and excepting out of the said grant the Castle of Catherlogh. The said Donough and his son and the longer liver of them to have the Constableship of the said Castle of Catherlogh, with all the entertainments as Robert and William Hartpole lately enjoyed*.

Hello all, This isn't a Carlow problem, but whom to ask but the best of the Irish <gr> I have a problem with one of my ancestor's married surname. Margaret Dowling born Ireland, married a Patrick O'Mara about 1861 in Ottawa, LaSalle County, Illinois (I have not found the record). She died there in 1885 at age 39, after the birth of her eleventh child. No obit has been found, but her tombstone (reading Margaret Dowling, wife of Patrick O'Mara) stands with my other Dowling relatives. This family also appears on records as Omeara. That I can understand. My deceased mother, however, recalled them as her Maher relatives. There is a record in Ottawa of a Margaret Dowling marriage to Patrick Maher on 19 May 1861. One probable Maher cousin cites the same death date as the O'Mara date of 1885. Some of the eleven O'Mara children appear in various records as Maher. I'm confused. Is O'Mara commonly interpreted or referred to as Maher? I continue to look down children's lines for answers, but am I following incorrect people? Any comments appreciated. Jean Gobel Lakewood, Washington, USA

Well done Mick. We included Michael Smyth in the Carlow video tape that we made in 1994. We have a lot of film of his piano playing on the Rushes of the Carlow footage. Keep up the good work. Ronnie Sent from my iPad On 24 Sep 2013, at 13:24, Michael Purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> wrote: > That's nice, glad you put it there, Nationalist cut chunks out of it, main > thing is we recorded his passing through and out. > > > On 24 September 2013 11:18, Turtle Bunbury (History) < > turtlehistory@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Mick, well done with your lovely tribute to Michael Smyth. I met him a >> few times in the Hillview also. In fact, the first time I saw him was when >> I heard piano music playing out of the main room of the nursing home and I >> thought wow, that's pretty good playing .... walked around the corner and >> there was Michael holding court in the centre of the room with everyone >> swaying and clapping hands and singing along around him. It was wonderful >> to see. I took the liberty of posting your eulogy with some photographs of >> Smyth's pub to the Vanishing Ireland facebook page at >> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=560623987320539&set=a.170667076316234.36166.110498185666457&type=1&theaterfor those who are interested. All best for now, Turtle >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Welcome back Mick, looking forward to further postings from PPP. I think summary of document details might be the best way of sharing the information. The concert seats were great, we were seated alongside Betty O' Gorman for Wednesday and behind President Higgins and his sons for Thursday's concert. I hope Leonard and his band enjoy Australia. Thanks again to you and Michael Brennan for all you do. Jean. On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Michael Purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com>wrote: > Back online again ! > I have been "on the road" since June. > As some of you already know I hold a franchise for some Leonard Cohen > merchandise this necessitated travelling throughout Europe following his > Concerts. > Leonard and his Band are now heading for Australia and New Zealand but > I intend to stay in Ireland. > We have now to consider new approach to sharing data from the Pat Purcell > Papers with carlowigp. > It is proposed that in future we might just post a synopsis of > Informations, Statements, letters, diaries, etc. > mick. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> Hi Tanya, The Church and the story sounds like Clonmore where, during rebuilding of an old Church wall in 1999, a letter was discovered. The stone sign reads...........: 1736 1999 If this is found we will be long gone. Today is a nice hot June day. Please remember us in your prayers. God Bless, William Byrne Frank Doyle LaurenceMurphy Richard Ryan I wonder where they went? I have a photograph of my husband climbing over the stile and thinking that my ancestor James MOORE who farmed just across the stone bridge and stream in 1851, according to Griffiths Valuation, would probably have done the same. Hope this helps in identifying your photograph. Judy.....Perth W.Australia > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 08:10:52 -0400 > From: "Tanya Whitaker" <tmmw025@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Identity of Church in County Carlow > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001801ceb855$f342df20$d9c89d60$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello, > > > > Recently, I went to Ireland and am trying to identify my photos. In > one of the photos is a church from County Carlow. I recall a > special part about this church is that there was memorial sign by > the stone wall entrance and on it described how during some > remodeling of the stone wall an old note was uncovered from it > describing the construction of the original stone wall and the date > of the construction. > > > Tanya > > > > ------------------------------

Tanya Check this page of Carlow Churches and see if you recognize your church. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/carlow_churches.htm Or you could send me a copy of the photo to mjbrennan@blueyonder.co.uk and I will try and see if I can recognize it Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://goo.gl/67Vce My Laois Page: http://goo.gl/Bn5KE Hello, Recently, I went to Ireland and am trying to identify my photos. In one of the photos is a church from County Carlow. I recall a special part about this church is that there was memorial sign by the stone wall entrance and on it described how during some remodeling of the stone wall an old note was uncovered from it describing the construction of the original stone wall and the date of the construction. If anyone on the list can either tell me the name of the church I have in the photo from the above description or if I can share an attached photo for id, I would appreciate it. Also, there is a photo of the Clonmore Castle. When we stopped to take the photo, a local man walked by and told us about the history of the Castle that it was part of the Fitzgerald family and also about the broken cross in St. John?s Church in Clonmore. I was trying to understand the notes I took and part of them don?t make sense about the history of both the castle and the broken cross. Somehow I remember a cannon was shot from the Clonmore Castle towards the church and this is how the cross was broken. If anyone can fill me in on the Clonmore Castle history and broken cross in St John?s church cemetery to help with correctly journaling this part of my Ireland historic family holiday, I would appreciate it. Tanya

That's nice, glad you put it there, Nationalist cut chunks out of it, main thing is we recorded his passing through and out. On 24 September 2013 11:18, Turtle Bunbury (History) < turtlehistory@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mick, well done with your lovely tribute to Michael Smyth. I met him a > few times in the Hillview also. In fact, the first time I saw him was when > I heard piano music playing out of the main room of the nursing home and I > thought wow, that's pretty good playing .... walked around the corner and > there was Michael holding court in the centre of the room with everyone > swaying and clapping hands and singing along around him. It was wonderful > to see. I took the liberty of posting your eulogy with some photographs of > Smyth's pub to the Vanishing Ireland facebook page at > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=560623987320539&set=a.170667076316234.36166.110498185666457&type=1&theaterfor those who are interested. All best for now, Turtle > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Mick, well done with your lovely tribute to Michael Smyth. I met him a few times in the Hillview also. In fact, the first time I saw him was when I heard piano music playing out of the main room of the nursing home and I thought wow, that's pretty good playing .... walked around the corner and there was Michael holding court in the centre of the room with everyone swaying and clapping hands and singing along around him. It was wonderful to see. I took the liberty of posting your eulogy with some photographs of Smyth's pub to the Vanishing Ireland facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=560623987320539&set=a.170667076316234.36166.110498185666457&type=1&theater for those who are interested. All best for now, Turtle

** *From Dr. Maurice Gleeson to Michael Purcell P.C. for immediate publication. * *RDS, Ballsbridge, October 18th - 20th.* *DNA and the Irish - Ireland's first genetic genealogy conference. * Genetic Genealogy Ireland 2013<http://ggi2013.blogspot.co.uk/p/overview.html> is a 3-day series of lectures and presentations on DNA and its usefulness in Irish family tree research. The presentations are sponsored by FamilyTreeDNA, organised by ISOGG (International Society of Genetic Genealogists), and scheduled to run at the Back to Our Past<http://www.backtoourpast.com/mysitecaddy/site3/> exhibition at the RDS, Ballsbridge, Dublin from Oct 18-20. DNA and genealogy More than one million people around the world have had their DNA tested as part of their family tree research and it has helped them break through "brick walls" where the paper trail of traditional records is either absent or has failed to help any further. This is particularly relevant to Irish research where there is a relative lack of documentary evidence prior to 1800. DNA testing has become increasingly affordable in recent years with basic tests available for as little as 40 euro. Irish DNA Research There has been a flurry of interest in DNA in Ireland over the last ten years and some incredible work has been undertaken by passionate Irish genealogists (many working independently and voluntarily) which is changing the way we think about ourselves. Many of these enthusiasts will be speaking at the conference on their own particular projects and how it has informed not only their own family tree research but how it sheds new light on a variety of Clan histories, Irish surnames, and their origins and evolution. The international panel of speakers will discuss topics which include a basic introduction to DNA testing, early and later migrations into Ireland (Gael, Norman, Viking, Scotch, English), connecting with the Irish in America, and individual Clan and surname projects with names that cover the entire island. As well as talks on the Tribes of Galway, and the Munster Irish, Prof Dan Bradley will discuss his unit's work relating to the genetic signature of people in northwest Ireland and the correlation with Niall of the Nine Hostages. Details are available on the dedicated website - Genetic Genealogy Ireland 2013<http://ggi2013.blogspot.co.uk/p/overview.html> at <ggi2013.blogspot.ie>. These DNA lectures will complement the programme of traditional genealogical presentations organised by APGI and sponsored by Rootsireland.ie (the Irish Family History Foundation). DNA testing at BTOP This is the fourth year of the Back to Our Past exhibition which last year attracted 20,000 visitors and over 250 exhibitors. This year FamilyTreeDNA have a stand at the exhibition and will be offering DNA testing at discounted prices. This is the first time that DNA testing will be offered directly to the Irish public at the exhibition. There will also be some limited Free DNA tests available and further information can be found here < www.ggi2013.blogspot.ie/p/sponsored-dna-tests.html> So if you happen to find yourself in Dublin in October, come along and have a DNA test - it may connect you with long lost cousins you never knew you had. Entrance to the entire exhibition and conference only costs 5 euro if booked in advance online<http://www.backtoourpast.com/mysitecaddy/site3/visitortickets.htm> via the BTOP website at <www.backtoourpast.com/mysitecaddy/site3>.

Back online again ! I have been "on the road" since June. As some of you already know I hold a franchise for some Leonard Cohen merchandise this necessitated travelling throughout Europe following his Concerts. Leonard and his Band are now heading for Australia and New Zealand but I intend to stay in Ireland. We have now to consider new approach to sharing data from the Pat Purcell Papers with carlowigp. It is proposed that in future we might just post a synopsis of Informations, Statements, letters, diaries, etc. mick.

Hello, Recently, I went to Ireland and am trying to identify my photos. In one of the photos is a church from County Carlow. I recall a special part about this church is that there was memorial sign by the stone wall entrance and on it described how during some remodeling of the stone wall an old note was uncovered from it describing the construction of the original stone wall and the date of the construction. If anyone on the list can either tell me the name of the church I have in the photo from the above description or if I can share an attached photo for id, I would appreciate it. Also, there is a photo of the Clonmore Castle. When we stopped to take the photo, a local man walked by and told us about the history of the Castle that it was part of the Fitzgerald family and also about the broken cross in St. John’s Church in Clonmore. I was trying to understand the notes I took and part of them don’t make sense about the history of both the castle and the broken cross. Somehow I remember a cannon was shot from the Clonmore Castle towards the church and this is how the cross was broken. If anyone can fill me in on the Clonmore Castle history and broken cross in St John’s church cemetery to help with correctly journaling this part of my Ireland historic family holiday, I would appreciate it. Tanya

Hi Charlie I don't own an iPad so I don't know the reason why you cant read your messages. It might be the settings, I don't know. Is there anyone else on the List who has an iPad and can advise Charlie. Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://goo.gl/67Vce My Laois Page: http://goo.gl/Bn5KE Message: 2 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 15:53:50 -0400 From: C Donohue <cldonohue@gmail.com> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Reading messages on ipad Hello all, Michael sometimes when I am in a public place I like to check my mail on my Ipad 2 and find I am unable to read the content of a message. May be something that I am not doing right but belong to other groups and seem to be able to read all without a hitch so was just wondering. Michael and all active contributors thanks and keep up the good work. Take care Charlie

All, I have planned a trip to Ireland beginning on March 3. First I'll visit my third cousin in Hacketstown, Eddie Coleman, and stay with his family two nights. After that, I am moving to Carlow Town and have booked a guest house not very far from the county library; I'll stay in Carlow Town four nights. Then I expect to take the train to Dublin and have booked a guest house not very far from both the National Archives and the National Library. I would be grateful for advice from all you seasoned experts on searching Hacketstown records at the County Library and the Court House in Carlow Town. Are there other depositories of genealogical information in Carlow Town? And besides the National Archives and the National Library in Dublin, where else would be a promising place to visit for genealogical records in Dublin? I know of the baptismal records of my great-grandfather and those of his siblings in Hacketstown, and have marriage and birth records for his parents, plus the birth years of his grandparents. I have not found his family after the 1840s in Griffith's Valuation. Eddie found some Colemans in Hacketstown in the 1901 census when he looked a while back. He hasn't had any success visiting cemeteries within 5 km of Hacketstown. He also has supplied with men's names in his family's descent from our common great-great-grandfather. I am reading every book that holds promise as a source of what to do in Dublin, but aside from exchanging ideas with you colleagues at irl-carlow until March, I don't know what to do in order to be efficient (typical American). I like to think I know a lot about tracing records in America and the UK for my surname, and can go back 32 generations in the UK. But using Irish records is a mystery to me for the most part. I am a member of three Irish genealogical websites but have been restricted by a lack of time in getting familiar with them. Help! Maurice Bursey Chapel Hill, North Carolina United States P.S. The man in the RC church in Hacketstown who put me in touch with Eddie Coleman told him that in the 19th century inhabitants of at least the northeast corner of County Carlow swallowed their r's in the middle of words. That would explain why my great-grandfather adopted the name Comen after he arrived in the United States. The ship's passenger list does show him as Pat Coleman, age 15, traveling alone in 1864. Does anyone else know of this pronunciation peculiarity?

Hello all, Michael sometimes when I am in a public place I like to check my mail on my Ipad 2 and find I am unable to read the content of a message. May be something that I am not doing right but belong to other groups and seem to be able to read all without a hitch so was just wondering. Michael and all active contributors thanks and keep up the good work. Take care Charlie