Thank you Mary. He originally appears in the Census in New Hampshire. He eventually moves to Boston. In a message dated 1/28/2010 10:31:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, maryfr14@comcast.net writes: Like Roger, I also thought of Canada, but the other side. I was thinking of Victoria BC. (Which is very close to Seattle.) If your ancestor came to the US via Canada I guess which of these Victoria's would depend on where he settled in the US - East or West. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:21:23 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria Dee, Could your ancestor have come to the US from Ireleand via Canada, from New Brunswick (my home province) to be exact. If I recall correctly there were disbanded soldiers who were given land in Victoria county, New Brunswick. If I also recall correctly there also even villages named Carlow and Wicklow in the area. Just a thought! Roger Nowlan ********************* http://nolanfamilies.org ********************* ----- Original Message ----- From: <MacShea95@aol.com> To: <IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:01 PM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > Since this is the list with the most gifted members I am going to put out > another query. My relative Thomas Shields/Shiels (of which there are some > in Carlow) put on his application for citizenship in America that he was > from "Victoria". Does this ring a bell with anyone? > > Many thanks! > > Dee > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Roger I did not want to prejudice the answer by suggesting Canada. It was my first instinct. This man was born in 1835. I am unsure that he was a soldier of any kind. As a matter of fact I know very little about him. He died in Boston in 1868 in dire poverty I would suspect. I had originally thought he might have come to New Hampshire from Ireland through Canada (as a route); not that he would have considered himself a Canadian. It's a whole new world of thinking for me and I am not sure how to proceed. Dee In a message dated 1/28/2010 10:21:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rnowlan@primus.ca writes: Dee, Could your ancestor have come to the US from Ireleand via Canada, from New Brunswick (my home province) to be exact. If I recall correctly there were disbanded soldiers who were given land in Victoria county, New Brunswick. If I also recall correctly there also even villages named Carlow and Wicklow in the area. Just a thought! Roger Nowlan ********************* http://nolanfamilies.org ********************* ----- Original Message ----- From: <MacShea95@aol.com> To: <IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:01 PM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > Since this is the list with the most gifted members I am going to put out > another query. My relative Thomas Shields/Shiels (of which there are some > in Carlow) put on his application for citizenship in America that he was > from "Victoria". Does this ring a bell with anyone? > > Many thanks! > > Dee > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dee, Could your ancestor have come to the US from Ireleand via Canada, from New Brunswick (my home province) to be exact. If I recall correctly there were disbanded soldiers who were given land in Victoria county, New Brunswick. If I also recall correctly there also even villages named Carlow and Wicklow in the area. Just a thought! Roger Nowlan ********************* http://nolanfamilies.org ********************* ----- Original Message ----- From: <MacShea95@aol.com> To: <IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:01 PM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > Since this is the list with the most gifted members I am going to put out > another query. My relative Thomas Shields/Shiels (of which there are some > in Carlow) put on his application for citizenship in America that he was > from "Victoria". Does this ring a bell with anyone? > > Many thanks! > > Dee > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Tom, Thank you for the clarification. It does help in my understanding of the events. Bye for now, Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom LaPorte" <tlaporte@mts.net> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan - PIKES & PROTECTION explained - I hope! > Just a slight difference in my understanding, I believe a 'yoeman' or more > accurately a 'yeoman' was not necessarily a type of military policeman > although many in the military would have been yeomen. I'm pretty sure the > term could be applied to almost anyone of the class of employed labourers > and also farmers who worked their own small land holdings. > >>From answers.com > Yeomanry: The name comes from the Middle English yeoman, meaning, loosely, > a > countryman of respectable standing. > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Nowlan > Sent: 28 January 2010 20:37 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan - PIKES & PROTECTION explained - I hope! > > Denny, > > Being Canadian, I am no expert on Irish history but, for those like Denny > who may be wondering about "protection" and "pikes" here is my take on the > historical context. > > In 1798, buoyed by the recent success of Independence movements in America > (1776) and in France, there was also a Rebellion of sorts in Ireland, > commonly referred to as the "Rebellion of 1798". County carlow was > particularly hard hit although most of the military action seems to have > been concentrated in Co. Wexford (Battle of Vinegar Hill, etc.). The > French > even made a landing in northwestern Ireland. > > To make a long story short the Rebellion failed and most of the United > Irishmen were only equipped with "pikes" (a lance of sort carried by > people > on foot). The bearing of arms in Ireland had been strictly controlled in > Ireland and very few of the common folk had firearms, hence the appearance > of "pikes" on the scene, usually made by local blacksmiths. > > In Carlow, on an appointed day, all the "United Irishmen" (members of a > secret Irish society, Catholics AND Protestants) and their leaders, many > of > them former yoeman (a sort of military policeman), converged on Carlow > town > to take the town from the military (there was also attack on Borris if my > memory serves me right). The attack was to be a surprise but somehow the > military were alerted beforehand and, again, to make a long story short, > many of the United Irishmen were killed or trapped in burning buildings. > Those who survived were offered "protection" from prosecution if they > provided information, if my understanding is correct, usually the names of > other United Irishmen e.g. who their captain was. > > In the end, I believe that many of the survivors were granted an amnesty. > > However, for the first few years following 1798, there seems to have been > reprisals from both sides, a sort of settling of scores "outside the law". > Those who took part in such actions (beatings, house burnings, etc.) were > also called rebels. In my own family research I have identified I believe > someone who died during this period. He is generally known to history as > "Farmer Clowry" who was shot while working in his field. His tombstone in > the Kellistown cemetery gives his year of death as 1800. His first name > was > Darby (Jeremiah) and his widow, Anne, applied for and received a > Government > pension around 1804 (source: Early Parliamentary papers of Ireland). My > Canadian ancestor's mother was previously married to a James Clowry who > lived in the same area as Farmer Clowry. > > I wanted to keep it short but there you have it. If anyone wants to add > clarifications or make corrections jump in. > However, I think that most people want to turn the page on this sad period > in Irish history. > > Bye for now, > > Roger Nowlan > > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Since this is the list with the most gifted members I am going to put out another query. My relative Thomas Shields/Shiels (of which there are some in Carlow) put on his application for citizenship in America that he was from "Victoria". Does this ring a bell with anyone? Many thanks! Dee
Denny, Being Canadian, I am no expert on Irish history but, for those like Denny who may be wondering about "protection" and "pikes" here is my take on the historical context. In 1798, buoyed by the recent success of Independence movements in America (1776) and in France, there was also a Rebellion of sorts in Ireland, commonly referred to as the "Rebellion of 1798". County carlow was particularly hard hit although most of the military action seems to have been concentrated in Co. Wexford (Battle of Vinegar Hill, etc.). The French even made a landing in northwestern Ireland. To make a long story short the Rebellion failed and most of the United Irishmen were only equipped with "pikes" (a lance of sort carried by people on foot). The bearing of arms in Ireland had been strictly controlled in Ireland and very few of the common folk had firearms, hence the appearance of "pikes" on the scene, usually made by local blacksmiths. In Carlow, on an appointed day, all the "United Irishmen" (members of a secret Irish society, Catholics AND Protestants) and their leaders, many of them former yoeman (a sort of military policeman), converged on Carlow town to take the town from the military (there was also attack on Borris if my memory serves me right). The attack was to be a surprise but somehow the military were alerted beforehand and, again, to make a long story short, many of the United Irishmen were killed or trapped in burning buildings. Those who survived were offered "protection" from prosecution if they provided information, if my understanding is correct, usually the names of other United Irishmen e.g. who their captain was. In the end, I believe that many of the survivors were granted an amnesty. However, for the first few years following 1798, there seems to have been reprisals from both sides, a sort of settling of scores "outside the law". Those who took part in such actions (beatings, house burnings, etc.) were also called rebels. In my own family research I have identified I believe someone who died during this period. He is generally known to history as "Farmer Clowry" who was shot while working in his field. His tombstone in the Kellistown cemetery gives his year of death as 1800. His first name was Darby (Jeremiah) and his widow, Anne, applied for and received a Government pension around 1804 (source: Early Parliamentary papers of Ireland). My Canadian ancestor's mother was previously married to a James Clowry who lived in the same area as Farmer Clowry. I wanted to keep it short but there you have it. If anyone wants to add clarifications or make corrections jump in. However, I think that most people want to turn the page on this sad period in Irish history. Bye for now, Roger Nowlan ****************** http://nolanfamilies.org ****************** ----- Original Message ----- From: <guscarroll@comcast.net> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan > > > Interogative; I'm not sure what is being asked in the emails where they > are asking for "Protection". Are they trying to escape some charges > account of owning the pikes? I missed something some where and I'm not > sure of the context. > > Thanks, > > Denny Carroll > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:27:18 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan > > (my mistake > , there were "Nolans" recorded. J.C.) > here is James Nolan seeking a Protection recorded in Journal of Dudley > Hill, > James gives very little information !. > Seeking Protection: > James Nolan, of Ballon, Labourer, had a pike. > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Tom Thank you very much. There has been much about pikes on the list lately and I was not sure what they were. Dee In a message dated 1/28/2010 9:25:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tlaporte@mts.net writes: I just found some good illustrations of pikes on the website of the 1798 Rebellion museum web site http://www.iol.ie/~98com/weaponry.htm Tom ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Um.............can anyone tell me what a "pike" is?? Thanks In a message dated 1/28/2010 9:08:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tlaporte@mts.net writes: Hello Denny I'm assuming that these were all men who were applying for protection from prosecution following the events of May 24, 1798 when the United Irishmen gathered in areas around Carlow and then attacked the town with a great loss of life as the army had been made aware that the rebels were coming and led them into a hidden trap where many were killed. These men in this list seem to have been seen with pikes in their possession that day or the pikes were found later in their possession and now they are providing their own affidavits or are providing affidavits from other upstanding citizens in support of their request for protection from prosecution. Close enough Mick? Tom -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of guscarroll@comcast.net Sent: 28 January 2010 18:55 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan Interogative; I'm not sure what is being asked in the emails where they are asking for "Protection". Are they trying to escape some charges account of owning the pikes? I missed something some where and I'm not sure of the context. Thanks, Denny Carroll ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:27:18 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan (my mistake , there were "Nolans" recorded. J.C.) here is James Nolan seeking a Protection recorded in Journal of Dudley Hill, James gives very little information !. Seeking Protection: James Nolan, of Ballon, Labourer, had a pike. ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Just a slight difference in my understanding, I believe a 'yoeman' or more accurately a 'yeoman' was not necessarily a type of military policeman although many in the military would have been yeomen. I'm pretty sure the term could be applied to almost anyone of the class of employed labourers and also farmers who worked their own small land holdings. >From answers.com Yeomanry: The name comes from the Middle English yeoman, meaning, loosely, a countryman of respectable standing. -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Nowlan Sent: 28 January 2010 20:37 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan - PIKES & PROTECTION explained - I hope! Denny, Being Canadian, I am no expert on Irish history but, for those like Denny who may be wondering about "protection" and "pikes" here is my take on the historical context. In 1798, buoyed by the recent success of Independence movements in America (1776) and in France, there was also a Rebellion of sorts in Ireland, commonly referred to as the "Rebellion of 1798". County carlow was particularly hard hit although most of the military action seems to have been concentrated in Co. Wexford (Battle of Vinegar Hill, etc.). The French even made a landing in northwestern Ireland. To make a long story short the Rebellion failed and most of the United Irishmen were only equipped with "pikes" (a lance of sort carried by people on foot). The bearing of arms in Ireland had been strictly controlled in Ireland and very few of the common folk had firearms, hence the appearance of "pikes" on the scene, usually made by local blacksmiths. In Carlow, on an appointed day, all the "United Irishmen" (members of a secret Irish society, Catholics AND Protestants) and their leaders, many of them former yoeman (a sort of military policeman), converged on Carlow town to take the town from the military (there was also attack on Borris if my memory serves me right). The attack was to be a surprise but somehow the military were alerted beforehand and, again, to make a long story short, many of the United Irishmen were killed or trapped in burning buildings. Those who survived were offered "protection" from prosecution if they provided information, if my understanding is correct, usually the names of other United Irishmen e.g. who their captain was. In the end, I believe that many of the survivors were granted an amnesty. However, for the first few years following 1798, there seems to have been reprisals from both sides, a sort of settling of scores "outside the law". Those who took part in such actions (beatings, house burnings, etc.) were also called rebels. In my own family research I have identified I believe someone who died during this period. He is generally known to history as "Farmer Clowry" who was shot while working in his field. His tombstone in the Kellistown cemetery gives his year of death as 1800. His first name was Darby (Jeremiah) and his widow, Anne, applied for and received a Government pension around 1804 (source: Early Parliamentary papers of Ireland). My Canadian ancestor's mother was previously married to a James Clowry who lived in the same area as Farmer Clowry. I wanted to keep it short but there you have it. If anyone wants to add clarifications or make corrections jump in. However, I think that most people want to turn the page on this sad period in Irish history. Bye for now, Roger Nowlan
I just found some good illustrations of pikes on the website of the 1798 Rebellion museum web site http://www.iol.ie/~98com/weaponry.htm Tom
I big long stick with a metal point on it. The metal point may also have a cutting edge on it depending on the skills of the blacksmith and probably depending on how many heads the local blacksmiths could churn out quickly when this was all getting organized. I've heard that in this case they were put together rather quickly and so were rather basic. The idea of the long stick was so that the pikemen could charge the line of soldiers armed with bayonets on the end of their rifles. With the long stick they could bring their point or blade into play before they came into reach of the bayonet. Of course having a rifle yourself would have been better but other than the army and militia there weren't too many of those around so the rebels used what they could make themselves. -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MacShea95@aol.com Sent: 28 January 2010 20:10 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan Um.............can anyone tell me what a "pike" is?? Thanks In a message dated 1/28/2010 9:08:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tlaporte@mts.net writes: Hello Denny I'm assuming that these were all men who were applying for protection from prosecution following the events of May 24, 1798 when the United Irishmen gathered in areas around Carlow and then attacked the town with a great loss of life as the army had been made aware that the rebels were coming and led them into a hidden trap where many were killed. These men in this list seem to have been seen with pikes in their possession that day or the pikes were found later in their possession and now they are providing their own affidavits or are providing affidavits from other upstanding citizens in support of their request for protection from prosecution. Close enough Mick? Tom -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of guscarroll@comcast.net Sent: 28 January 2010 18:55 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan Interogative; I'm not sure what is being asked in the emails where they are asking for "Protection". Are they trying to escape some charges account of owning the pikes? I missed something some where and I'm not sure of the context. Thanks, Denny Carroll ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:27:18 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan (my mistake , there were "Nolans" recorded. J.C.) here is James Nolan seeking a Protection recorded in Journal of Dudley Hill, James gives very little information !. Seeking Protection: James Nolan, of Ballon, Labourer, had a pike. ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. 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That is fantastic news Mick. What Jean has already done has been outstanding. Good on the Ford Fund! Turtle Bunbury www.turtlebunbury.com Old Fort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland Mob: + 353 - (0) 87 - 6453 486 Skype: turtle1847 Turtle Bunbury is a best-selling author, researcher and scriptwriter based in Ireland. He will be speaking at the Princess Grace Irish Library in Monaco on Monday 15th February 2010. His subject will be 'Around the World in 1847 - An Irish Perspective'. Turtle's acclaimed 'Your History in a Book' venture offers an innovative way to transform your family history into a compelling read. Turtle's seventh book, Vanishing Ireland - Further Chronicles of a Disappearing World, with photographer James Fennell, was the 5th biggest selling hardback - and the top-selling Picture Book - in Ireland's non-fiction charts over Christmas 2009. On 28 Jan 2010, at 15:59, michael purcell wrote: > Financed by a Grant from the Ford Fund Jean Casey will be employed > for the > next few months cataloguing the Pat Purcell Papers. > Jean will be emailing from this email address and will share some > extracts > with Listers as we progress. > In the meantime please do not contact me off-line via this email > address as > it will be used only for research purposes, mick. > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. > No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >
Hello Denny I'm assuming that these were all men who were applying for protection from prosecution following the events of May 24, 1798 when the United Irishmen gathered in areas around Carlow and then attacked the town with a great loss of life as the army had been made aware that the rebels were coming and led them into a hidden trap where many were killed. These men in this list seem to have been seen with pikes in their possession that day or the pikes were found later in their possession and now they are providing their own affidavits or are providing affidavits from other upstanding citizens in support of their request for protection from prosecution. Close enough Mick? Tom -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of guscarroll@comcast.net Sent: 28 January 2010 18:55 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan Interogative; I'm not sure what is being asked in the emails where they are asking for "Protection". Are they trying to escape some charges account of owning the pikes? I missed something some where and I'm not sure of the context. Thanks, Denny Carroll ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:27:18 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan (my mistake , there were "Nolans" recorded. J.C.) here is James Nolan seeking a Protection recorded in Journal of Dudley Hill, James gives very little information !. Seeking Protection: James Nolan, of Ballon, Labourer, had a pike. ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Note taken. Thanks Mick. Is this our Michael Brennan's ancestor Michael Brennan? Supposedly there were more lives lost at Ballickmoyler and at Providence Lodge when the rebels arrived there but I have never seen any reference to any legal actions which may have resulted other than the claims for compensation for the houses which were burned down that day. I don't suppose anything will turn up in the Carlow papers though as I believe there was also a court in Ballickmoyler. I wonder where those papers ended up? Tom -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael purcell Sent: 28 January 2010 12:38 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Michael Brennan in 1798. In the aftermath of the Battle of Carlow in May 1798, Michael Brennan of Arles is seeking a Protection in accordance with a Proclamation drawn up by Magistrate Benjamin Bunbury. Extract from "Protections" Journal of Dudley Hill, under-Sheriff . Michael Brennan, of Arles, Labourer, had a Pike. Was to be a Captain. Did not go to the Battle of Carlow.. Sworn by Michael Headon at Cockpit Lane in Carlow. (Note added 2010 by Michael Purcell. Michael Brennan may have been part of the large group from Queen's County who intended to take part in the Battle but when they saw that Graigue Bridge was manned by the Durham Fencibles, armed with Grapeshot, they were ordered to retreat. The group then advanced on Ballickmoyler. Tom La Porte take note.) ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Date:-14/6/1829 Groom:-Philip Murphy Bride:-Ellen Norton of Hacketstown Parish Witnesses:-James Nicholson and James Norton Date:-13/1/1833 Groom:- John Carty of Killalea Bride:-Anne Neil of Mt Kelly Witnesses:-Martin Carty -James Neil and Margt Bermingham Date:-18/2/1833 Groom:-Laurence Toole of Killalease Bride:-Anne Carty of Mt Kelly Witnesses:-James and Mary Gorman and Patt Birmingham Date:-23/4/1834 Groom:-Michael McGouran of Kilmuray Bride:-Margt Carty of Mt Kelly Witnesses:-Mary Jones and Bridget Toole and Larry Byrne Date:-2/3/1835 Groom:-Patrick Carty of Williamstown Bride:-Mary Tallow of Ballyoliver Witnesses:- Margt Walsh and Biddy Fenlon Date:-15/2/1836 Groom:-Thomas Carty of Killalease Bride:-Mary Toole of Humewood Witnesses:-Lawrence Nowlan and Cath Toole Date:-14/2/1836 Groom:-Thos Nolan of Castlemore parish Bride:-Anne Carty of Mt Kelly Witnesses:-Laurence Hayden and Margt McGauran Date:-16/2/1836 Groom:-Thos Nowland of Clonegal Bride:-Anne Carty of Mt Kelly Witnesses:-Patt Headon and Betty Halpen Date:-21/1/1846 Groom:-Edward Toole of Knocklishenbeg Bride:-Mary Norton of Portrition Witnesses:-John and Jas Toole and Miss Annie Murphy Date:-26/4/1845 Groom:-Martin Carty of Killalease Bride:-Anne Tyrrell of Knockboy Witnesses:-Anne Byrne and ? Fluskey and Jas Tyrrell Date:-10/5/1845 Groom:-James Carty Bride:-Mary Fennell Witnesses:-Pat Coogan and ? Mahon Address:- Both from B-Derry Date:-6/2/1860 Groom:-Thos Archbold Bride:-Kate Byrn Witnesses:-Maurice Broderick and Anne Lalor Address:-Williamstown Date:-15/4/1880 Groom:-Jas Bolger Bride:-Annie Germaine Witnesses:-Edward Toole and Eliza Germaine Address:- Lisnavagh/
I realise that Mick Purcell is having Rathvilly marriages transcribed but for now I thought I would share with the list my own snippets from the register. Of Course there are mistakes. and Of course I was following the family or at least gathering the name together -If you see a mistake and can correct it for me please share with me. Cheers Cara Nat'l. Lib.Dublin, film #P.4189 Transcribed 2003 by Cara Date:-13/10/1817 Groom:-Michael Donohoe Bride:-Mary Maher Witnesses:-Thomas Maher and Patrick Whelan Address:-Castlemore Parish of Ballon Date:-27/1/1829 Groom:-James Tool Bride:-Elizabeth Murphy Witnesses:-James Currie and Lucy Nolan Address:-Grange Date:-5/11/1829 Groom:-Michael Morris Bride:-Ellen Gorman Witnesses:-John Gorman and Catherine Coleman Address:-Ballentrane Date:-25/6/1829 Groom:-James Bergan Bride:-Mary Treacy Witnesses:-Patrick and Catherine Treacy Address:-Moyle Date:-14/2/1831 Groom:-Nicholas Higgins Bride:-Catherine Fenlon Witnesses:-Martin and Mary Croneberry? Address:-N/R Date:-25/1/1831 Groom:-James Fennelon Bride:-Catherine Fitzpatrick Witnesses:-Edward Courcy and Mary Aughney Address:-Ballymogue Date:-22/2/1832 Groom:-James Fenlon Bride:-Catherine Treacy Witnesses:-John and Mary Treacy Address:-Lissa?Lissalican ? Date:-24/27/1832 Groom:-John Donohoe Bride:-Margaret Nolan Witnesses:-John and Margaret Donohoe Address:- Ballonhill Date:-18/2/1833 Groom:-Arthur Bolger Bride:-Bridget Hickey Witnesses:-Thomas and Mary Hickey Address:-Templepeter Date:-19/5/1833 Groom:-Darby Bulger Bride:-Mary Robbin Witnesses:-William and Bridget Robbin Address:-Rathrush Date:-3/9/1833 Groom:-Denis Whelan Bride:-Winifred Treacy Witnesses:-Michael Castly and Mary Quinn Address:-Moyle Date:-20/9/1833 Groom:-John Sutton Bride:-Mary Aughney Witnesses:-Stephen Peterson and Margt Poor Address:-Carrickslaney Date:-21/9/1833 Groom:-James Sheil Bride:-Catherine Byrne Witnesses:-? Brophy and Mary Byrne Address:- Bough Date:-12/10/1820 Groom:-Mick Stines Bride:-Sally Carty Witnesses:-William and Mary Carty Address:-B-Roan Date:-15/7/1826 Groom:-James Goss Bride:-Bridget Carty Witnesses:-Mick Goss and Denis Sheile present Mark Kinsella Address:- Killalease Date:-21/7/1826 Groom:-Michael Carty (of Talbotstown) Bride:-Mary Cosgrave of B-Derrig Witnesses:-Mr Wm Lalor and Hanna Cosgrove Date:-11/11/1826 Groom:- Thomas Carty Bride:-Bridget Toole alias Shea Witnesses:-Edward Toole and Bridget Goss Address:- Killalease Date:-27/11/1828 Groom:-Danl Healy of Kilquiggan Bride:-Winny Toole of Talbotstown Witnesses:-Margt Dunn and Wm Murphy
In the aftermath of the Battle of Carlow in May 1798, Michael Brennan of Arles is seeking a Protection in accordance with a Proclamation drawn up by Magistrate Benjamin Bunbury. Extract from "Protections" Journal of Dudley Hill, under-Sheriff . Michael Brennan, of Arles, Labourer, had a Pike. Was to be a Captain. Did not go to the Battle of Carlow.. Sworn by Michael Headon at Cockpit Lane in Carlow. (Note added 2010 by Michael Purcell. Michael Brennan may have been part of the large group from Queen's County who intended to take part in the Battle but when they saw that Graigue Bridge was manned by the Durham Fencibles, armed with Grapeshot, they were ordered to retreat. The group then advanced on Ballickmoyler. Tom La Porte take note.)
Seeking Protection, June 1798. Dudley Hill "Protections" Journal. Larance Nolan, (sic) of Ballon, Labourer, had a pike.
Seeking Protection , June 1798. John Brennan, of Killeshin, Labourer, had a pike. Sworn by Mathew Cummins, a Cooper, Ballon.
Sorry, I gave the wrong marriage dates...I meant 1840-1845...it must have been a long day at work today! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maribeth E Nolan" <nolanme@verizon.net> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Cc: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] RATHMORE MARRIAGES AVAILABLE? > > I was wondering if anyone knows if there are marriage records available > for > Rathmore. I'm mooking for Michael Nolan and Julia/Judith Hayes @ > 1800-1805. > Some leads I'm finding are pointing towards Rathmore as the potential > place > or marriage for these people. > Jan 28, 2010 02:31:09 AM, irl-carlow@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Date:-14/6/1829 > Groom:-Philip Murphy > Bride:-Ellen Norton of Hacketstown Parish > Witnesses:-James Nicholson and James Norton > Date:-13/1/1833 > Groom:- John Carty of Killalea > Bride:-Anne Neil of Mt Kelly > Witnesses:-Martin Carty -James Neil and Margt Bermingham > Date:-18/2/1833 > Groom:-Laurence Toole of Killalease > Bride:-Anne Carty of Mt Kelly > Witnesses:-James and Mary Gorman and Patt Birmingham > Date:-23/4/1834 > Groom:-Michael McGouran of Kilmuray > Bride:-Margt Carty of Mt Kelly > Witnesses:-Mary Jones and Bridget Toole and Larry Byrne > Date:-2/3/1835 > Groom:-Patrick Carty of Williamstown > Bride:-Mary Tallow of Ballyoliver > Witnesses:- Margt Walsh and Biddy Fenlon > Date:-15/2/1836 > Groom:-Thomas Carty of Killalease > Bride:-Mary Toole of Humewood > Witnesses:-Lawrence Nowlan and Cath Toole > Date:-14/2/1836 > Groom:-Thos Nolan of Castlemore parish > Bride:-Anne Carty of Mt Kelly > Witnesses:-Laurence Hayden and Margt McGauran > Date:-16/2/1836 > Groom:-Thos Nowland of Clonegal > Bride:-Anne Carty of Mt Kelly > Witnesses:-Patt Headon and Betty Halpen > Date:-21/1/1846 > Groom:-Edward Toole of Knocklishenbeg > Bride:-Mary Norton of Portrition > Witnesses:-John and Jas Toole and Miss Annie Murphy > Date:-26/4/1845 > Groom:-Martin Carty of Killalease > Bride:-Anne Tyrrell of Knockboy > Witnesses:-Anne Byrne and ? Fluskey and Jas Tyrrell > Date:-10/5/1845 > Groom:-James Carty > Bride:-Mary Fennell > Witnesses:-Pat Coogan and ? Mahon > Address:- Both from B-Derry > Date:-6/2/1860 > Groom:-Thos Archbold > Bride:-Kate Byrn > Witnesses:-Maurice Broderick and Anne Lalor > Address:-Williamstown > Date:-15/4/1880 > Groom:-Jas Bolger > Bride:-Annie Germaine > Witnesses:-Edward Toole and Eliza Germaine > Address:- Lisnavagh/ > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >