In a message dated 1/30/2010 10:24:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, carlowmike@gmail.com writes: Circa 1885 --among the donations to the building of a new church in Rathvilly the following friends of Rathvilly living in the USA were recorded as subscribers.............. A great thought to post a list like this, with names and addresses and cities. It just shows how far-flung the inhabitants of just one village like Rathvilly were, and why it's so difficult to trace them. Unfortunately my roots do not lie in Rathvilly, but i'm sure it will be a big help to some listers. We need more original thinking like this. It also reminds me of a story about my great-grandfather, who was asked to help solicit funds for a new Catholic church in Moneenroe. He knew everyone, so he would ask of both Catholic and Protestant alike. Should a non-Catholic demur, he would then ask if they would like to contribute to a fund to tear down the old Catholic church. Jack Langton

Tom, Thank you for picking up on BC versus CB. I guess I was too tired yesterday to pick up on it. However, it did literally "come to me in my sleep" and you beat me to it :-)) I checked on Wikipedia when British Columbia was first formed as a colony. It was only in 1858 but without Vancouver Island which was only added in 1866. So, someone born in Victoria (on Vancouver Island) circa 1835 and entered the US before 1860 (when Thomas first appears on the New Hamphire census) would have rightfully stated that he came from Victoria (originally a British fort location). Now I have to come back to the issue of the meaning of CB. I checked neighbouring pages of the 1851 census to see if CB also appeared on neighbouring pages. It does! In profusion! It therefore appears that the 1851 census taker, although French speaking (Descelles), used CB to mean "Canada Bas" as you first suggested. It may have been the popular way of saying it at the time. Language does evolve over time. To summarize, it looks as if the Montreal Shiells family in 1851 is another family, not Dee's (but possibly related!). Nonetheless, in the meantime, I believe that the issue of "Victoria" as a place of origin has been resolved. I suggest that Dee take a look at the history page for British Columbia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_British_Columbia ) to perhaps get further ideas to pursue her research. I don't know what Victoria/ Fort Victoria was like in 1835 when Thomas was born and that would be something to research further. Bye for now, Roger ******************** http://nolanfamilies.org ********************

Dee.... I had a thought. Could Thomas have been saying he owed allegiance to Queen Victoria? Perhaps it wasn't a 'place' he was mentioning but a person. Best of luck, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <MacShea95@aol.com> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victiria - "Thomas SHIELLS" aged 15 in 1851 inMontreal >I have found that Thomas Shields was from Ireland (possibly Roscommon I am > not sure). His father's name was Roger and his mother's name was Anna. He > appears in the 1860 Census in Rollinsford Cty New > Hampshire...............all this is wonderful but does not answer the > original question as to why > he would have put "Victoria" as either his birth country/or country of > allegiance. > > Thank you again Roger for what seemed like the perfect answer but I don't > think that is my Thomas. > > Back behind the wall......................sigh. > > Dee > > >

Absolutely right Roger. Thinking about this a bit more, CB would stand for Colombie-Britannique which is British Columbia in English. I just looked up the official list of abbreviations used in the 1851 Census on the Canadian Archives site: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.005-e.html So Victoria is the most obvious Canadian one as Mary thought: it's Victoria, B.C. -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Nowlan Sent: 29 January 2010 22:41 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victiria - "Thomas SHIELLS" aged 15 in 1851in Montreal Tom, Thank you for your input. In French, Upper Canada (Ontario) and Lower Canada (Quebec) become "Haut Canada" and "Bas Canada" so BC would indeed be right. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom LaPorte" <tlaporte@mts.net> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victiria - "Thomas SHIELLS" aged 15 in 1851in Montreal > No, not "Colonies Britanniques". In 1851 Canada was divided into two > areas, > Upper Canada and Lower Canada. In French that was Canada Haute and Canada > Bas. So CB stood for Canada Bas or Quebec. > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Nowlan > Sent: 29 January 2010 13:56 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victiria - "Thomas SHIELLS" aged 15 in 1851 in > Montreal > > Dee, > > I had an afterthought about Victoria and it possibly relating to > Victoriaville, Quebec, which is between Quebec city and the New Hampshire > border. I therefore looked for Shiels in the 1851 census and found the > following family living in Montreal county, St. Laurent. I believe this to > be the St. Laurent district of modern-day Montreal. > > The main train station in Montreal at the time was the "Victoria Station" > so > > this could also be the "Victoria" meant on the immigration form. > > 1851 Census - Montreal county, St. Laurent > ---------------------------------------------------- > James Shiells 45, trader, Scotland, Presbyterian > Agnes Boa, 37, b. Scotland > Janet, 17, b. CB > Thomas, 15, b. CB > [RN: The census form is filled out in French; > I take "CB" to mean "Colonies Britanniques", essentially anywhere in the > British Colonies] > Jane, 13, b. CB > Ann, 11, b. CB > Elizabeth, 9, b. CB > Euphemia, 7, b. CB > Robert, 5, b. CB > James, 2, b. CB > Robert Smithe, servant, 18, b. CB > > Regards, > Roger > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MacShea95@aol.com> > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:33 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > > >> Thank you Mary. He originally appears in the Census in New Hampshire. He >> eventually moves to Boston. >> >> >> >> In a message dated 1/28/2010 10:31:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> maryfr14@comcast.net writes: >> >> >> >> Like Roger, I also thought of Canada, but the other side. I was >> thinking >> of Victoria BC. (Which is very close to Seattle.) If your ancestor >> came >> to the US via Canada I guess which of these Victoria's would depend on >> where >> he settled in the US - East or West. >> >> >> >> Mary >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> >> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:21:23 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria >> >> Dee, >> >> Could your ancestor have come to the US from Ireleand via Canada, from >> New >> Brunswick (my home province) to be exact. >> If I recall correctly there were disbanded soldiers who were given land >> in >> Victoria county, New Brunswick. If I also recall correctly there also >> even >> villages named Carlow and Wicklow in the area. >> >> Just a thought! >> >> Roger Nowlan >> >> ********************* >> http://nolanfamilies.org >> ********************* >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <MacShea95@aol.com> >> To: <IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:01 PM >> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria >> >> >>> Since this is the list with the most gifted members I am going to put >> out >>> another query. My relative Thomas Shields/Shiels (of which there are >> some >>> in Carlow) put on his application for citizenship in America that he >>> was >>> from "Victoria". Does this ring a bell with anyone? >>> >>> Many thanks! >>> >>> Dee >>> ======================================= >>> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >>> subscribe to the List. 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Dee, In my last Email I had suggested Victoriaville, Quebec, as a possible origin for the place of origin "Victoria". I don't know who filled in the US immigration form and where but "ville" is town in French so that someone hearing "Victoriaville" might just write down "Victoria". Just like in English, if someone said that they came from Carlow town an official might just write down Carlow. Victoriaville is located between Quebec, a port city, and the New Hampshire border and could plausibly be a place where someone would stop for awhile before moving on to New Hampshire. Victoriaville was a point on the Grand Trunk railroad. A bit of a stretch but who knows? Regards, Roger P.S. I also found a Thomas Shiels, a Roman Catholic born in Ireland circa 1817, working on a farm owned by a Presbyterian farmer from Scotland, Archibald Camel, in Lanark county, Canada West/Ontario. *********************** ----- Original Message ----- From: <MacShea95@aol.com> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victiria - "Thomas SHIELLS" aged 15 in 1851 inMontreal >I have found that Thomas Shields was from Ireland (possibly Roscommon I am > not sure). His father's name was Roger and his mother's name was Anna. He > appears in the 1860 Census in Rollinsford Cty New > Hampshire...............all this is wonderful but does not answer the > original question as to why > he would have put "Victoria" as either his birth country/or country of > allegiance. > > Thank you again Roger for what seemed like the perfect answer but I don't > think that is my Thomas. > > Back behind the wall......................sigh. > > Dee > > > In a message dated 1/29/2010 8:25:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > tlaporte@mts.net writes: > > No, not "Colonies Britanniques". In 1851 Canada was divided into two > areas, > Upper Canada and Lower Canada. In French that was Canada Haute and > Canada > Bas. So CB stood for Canada Bas or Quebec. > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Nowlan > Sent: 29 January 2010 13:56 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victiria - "Thomas SHIELLS" aged 15 in 1851 in > Montreal > > Dee, > > I had an afterthought about Victoria and it possibly relating to > Victoriaville, Quebec, which is between Quebec city and the New Hampshire > border. I therefore looked for Shiels in the 1851 census and found the > following family living in Montreal county, St. Laurent. I believe this > to > be the St. Laurent district of modern-day Montreal. > > The main train station in Montreal at the time was the "Victoria Station" > so > > this could also be the "Victoria" meant on the immigration form. > > 1851 Census - Montreal county, St. Laurent > ---------------------------------------------------- > James Shiells 45, trader, Scotland, Presbyterian > Agnes Boa, 37, b. Scotland > Janet, 17, b. CB > Thomas, 15, b. CB > [RN: The census form is filled out in French; > I take "CB" to mean "Colonies Britanniques", essentially anywhere in the > British Colonies] > Jane, 13, b. CB > Ann, 11, b. CB > Elizabeth, 9, b. CB > Euphemia, 7, b. CB > Robert, 5, b. CB > James, 2, b. CB > Robert Smithe, servant, 18, b. CB > > Regards, > Roger > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MacShea95@aol.com> > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:33 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > > >> Thank you Mary. He originally appears in the Census in New Hampshire. >> He >> eventually moves to Boston. >> >> >> >> In a message dated 1/28/2010 10:31:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> maryfr14@comcast.net writes: >> >> >> >> Like Roger, I also thought of Canada, but the other side. I was > thinking >> of Victoria BC. (Which is very close to Seattle.) If your ancestor > came >> to the US via Canada I guess which of these Victoria's would depend on >> where >> he settled in the US - East or West. >> >> >> >> Mary >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> >> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:21:23 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada >> Pacific >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria >> >> Dee, >> >> Could your ancestor have come to the US from Ireleand via Canada, from >> New >> Brunswick (my home province) to be exact. >> If I recall correctly there were disbanded soldiers who were given land >> in >> Victoria county, New Brunswick. 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Tom, Thank you for your input. In French, Upper Canada (Ontario) and Lower Canada (Quebec) become "Haut Canada" and "Bas Canada" so BC would indeed be right. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom LaPorte" <tlaporte@mts.net> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victiria - "Thomas SHIELLS" aged 15 in 1851in Montreal > No, not "Colonies Britanniques". In 1851 Canada was divided into two > areas, > Upper Canada and Lower Canada. In French that was Canada Haute and Canada > Bas. So CB stood for Canada Bas or Quebec. > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Nowlan > Sent: 29 January 2010 13:56 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victiria - "Thomas SHIELLS" aged 15 in 1851 in > Montreal > > Dee, > > I had an afterthought about Victoria and it possibly relating to > Victoriaville, Quebec, which is between Quebec city and the New Hampshire > border. I therefore looked for Shiels in the 1851 census and found the > following family living in Montreal county, St. Laurent. I believe this to > be the St. Laurent district of modern-day Montreal. > > The main train station in Montreal at the time was the "Victoria Station" > so > > this could also be the "Victoria" meant on the immigration form. > > 1851 Census - Montreal county, St. Laurent > ---------------------------------------------------- > James Shiells 45, trader, Scotland, Presbyterian > Agnes Boa, 37, b. Scotland > Janet, 17, b. CB > Thomas, 15, b. CB > [RN: The census form is filled out in French; > I take "CB" to mean "Colonies Britanniques", essentially anywhere in the > British Colonies] > Jane, 13, b. CB > Ann, 11, b. CB > Elizabeth, 9, b. CB > Euphemia, 7, b. CB > Robert, 5, b. CB > James, 2, b. CB > Robert Smithe, servant, 18, b. CB > > Regards, > Roger > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MacShea95@aol.com> > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:33 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > > >> Thank you Mary. He originally appears in the Census in New Hampshire. He >> eventually moves to Boston. >> >> >> >> In a message dated 1/28/2010 10:31:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> maryfr14@comcast.net writes: >> >> >> >> Like Roger, I also thought of Canada, but the other side. I was >> thinking >> of Victoria BC. (Which is very close to Seattle.) If your ancestor >> came >> to the US via Canada I guess which of these Victoria's would depend on >> where >> he settled in the US - East or West. >> >> >> >> Mary >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> >> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:21:23 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria >> >> Dee, >> >> Could your ancestor have come to the US from Ireleand via Canada, from >> New >> Brunswick (my home province) to be exact. >> If I recall correctly there were disbanded soldiers who were given land >> in >> Victoria county, New Brunswick. If I also recall correctly there also >> even >> villages named Carlow and Wicklow in the area. >> >> Just a thought! >> >> Roger Nowlan >> >> ********************* >> http://nolanfamilies.org >> ********************* >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <MacShea95@aol.com> >> To: <IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:01 PM >> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria >> >> >>> Since this is the list with the most gifted members I am going to put >> out >>> another query. My relative Thomas Shields/Shiels (of which there are >> some >>> in Carlow) put on his application for citizenship in America that he >>> was >>> from "Victoria". Does this ring a bell with anyone? >>> >>> Many thanks! >>> >>> Dee >>> ======================================= >>> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >>> subscribe to the List. 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I have found that Thomas Shields was from Ireland (possibly Roscommon I am not sure). His father's name was Roger and his mother's name was Anna. He appears in the 1860 Census in Rollinsford Cty New Hampshire...............all this is wonderful but does not answer the original question as to why he would have put "Victoria" as either his birth country/or country of allegiance. Thank you again Roger for what seemed like the perfect answer but I don't think that is my Thomas. Back behind the wall......................sigh. Dee In a message dated 1/29/2010 8:25:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tlaporte@mts.net writes: No, not "Colonies Britanniques". In 1851 Canada was divided into two areas, Upper Canada and Lower Canada. In French that was Canada Haute and Canada Bas. So CB stood for Canada Bas or Quebec. Tom -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Nowlan Sent: 29 January 2010 13:56 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victiria - "Thomas SHIELLS" aged 15 in 1851 in Montreal Dee, I had an afterthought about Victoria and it possibly relating to Victoriaville, Quebec, which is between Quebec city and the New Hampshire border. I therefore looked for Shiels in the 1851 census and found the following family living in Montreal county, St. Laurent. I believe this to be the St. Laurent district of modern-day Montreal. The main train station in Montreal at the time was the "Victoria Station" so this could also be the "Victoria" meant on the immigration form. 1851 Census - Montreal county, St. Laurent ---------------------------------------------------- James Shiells 45, trader, Scotland, Presbyterian Agnes Boa, 37, b. Scotland Janet, 17, b. CB Thomas, 15, b. CB [RN: The census form is filled out in French; I take "CB" to mean "Colonies Britanniques", essentially anywhere in the British Colonies] Jane, 13, b. CB Ann, 11, b. CB Elizabeth, 9, b. CB Euphemia, 7, b. CB Robert, 5, b. CB James, 2, b. CB Robert Smithe, servant, 18, b. CB Regards, Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: <MacShea95@aol.com> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > Thank you Mary. He originally appears in the Census in New Hampshire. He > eventually moves to Boston. > > > > In a message dated 1/28/2010 10:31:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > maryfr14@comcast.net writes: > > > > Like Roger, I also thought of Canada, but the other side. I was thinking > of Victoria BC. (Which is very close to Seattle.) If your ancestor came > to the US via Canada I guess which of these Victoria's would depend on > where > he settled in the US - East or West. > > > > Mary > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:21:23 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > > Dee, > > Could your ancestor have come to the US from Ireleand via Canada, from > New > Brunswick (my home province) to be exact. > If I recall correctly there were disbanded soldiers who were given land > in > Victoria county, New Brunswick. If I also recall correctly there also > even > villages named Carlow and Wicklow in the area. > > Just a thought! > > Roger Nowlan > > ********************* > http://nolanfamilies.org > ********************* > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MacShea95@aol.com> > To: <IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:01 PM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > > >> Since this is the list with the most gifted members I am going to put > out >> another query. My relative Thomas Shields/Shiels (of which there are > some >> in Carlow) put on his application for citizenship in America that he was >> from "Victoria". Does this ring a bell with anyone? >> >> Many thanks! >> >> Dee >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe to the List. 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Thanks Mick for the item on Michael Brennan. Tom I suspect the Ballickmoyler Court Papers are probably housed in Portlaoise or Dublin. Regards Michael Brennan Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:29:28 -0600 > From: "Tom LaPorte" <tlaporte@mts.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Michael Brennan in 1798. > Note taken. Thanks Mick. > > Is this our Michael Brennan's ancestor Michael Brennan? > > Supposedly there were more lives lost at Ballickmoyler and at Providence > Lodge when the rebels arrived there but I have never seen any reference to > any legal actions which may have resulted other than the claims for > compensation for the houses which were burned down that day. I don't > suppose anything will turn up in the Carlow papers though as I believe > there > was also a court in Ballickmoyler. I wonder where those papers ended up? > > Tom >

No, not "Colonies Britanniques". In 1851 Canada was divided into two areas, Upper Canada and Lower Canada. In French that was Canada Haute and Canada Bas. So CB stood for Canada Bas or Quebec. Tom -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Nowlan Sent: 29 January 2010 13:56 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victiria - "Thomas SHIELLS" aged 15 in 1851 in Montreal Dee, I had an afterthought about Victoria and it possibly relating to Victoriaville, Quebec, which is between Quebec city and the New Hampshire border. I therefore looked for Shiels in the 1851 census and found the following family living in Montreal county, St. Laurent. I believe this to be the St. Laurent district of modern-day Montreal. The main train station in Montreal at the time was the "Victoria Station" so this could also be the "Victoria" meant on the immigration form. 1851 Census - Montreal county, St. Laurent ---------------------------------------------------- James Shiells 45, trader, Scotland, Presbyterian Agnes Boa, 37, b. Scotland Janet, 17, b. CB Thomas, 15, b. CB [RN: The census form is filled out in French; I take "CB" to mean "Colonies Britanniques", essentially anywhere in the British Colonies] Jane, 13, b. CB Ann, 11, b. CB Elizabeth, 9, b. CB Euphemia, 7, b. CB Robert, 5, b. CB James, 2, b. CB Robert Smithe, servant, 18, b. CB Regards, Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: <MacShea95@aol.com> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > Thank you Mary. He originally appears in the Census in New Hampshire. He > eventually moves to Boston. > > > > In a message dated 1/28/2010 10:31:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > maryfr14@comcast.net writes: > > > > Like Roger, I also thought of Canada, but the other side. I was thinking > of Victoria BC. (Which is very close to Seattle.) If your ancestor came > to the US via Canada I guess which of these Victoria's would depend on > where > he settled in the US - East or West. > > > > Mary > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:21:23 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > > Dee, > > Could your ancestor have come to the US from Ireleand via Canada, from > New > Brunswick (my home province) to be exact. > If I recall correctly there were disbanded soldiers who were given land > in > Victoria county, New Brunswick. If I also recall correctly there also > even > villages named Carlow and Wicklow in the area. > > Just a thought! > > Roger Nowlan > > ********************* > http://nolanfamilies.org > ********************* > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MacShea95@aol.com> > To: <IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:01 PM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > > >> Since this is the list with the most gifted members I am going to put > out >> another query. My relative Thomas Shields/Shiels (of which there are > some >> in Carlow) put on his application for citizenship in America that he was >> from "Victoria". Does this ring a bell with anyone? >> >> Many thanks! >> >> Dee >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe to the List. 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Dee, You are most welcome! Roger ******************** http://nolanfamilies.org ******************** ----- Original Message ----- From: <MacShea95@aol.com> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria - "Thomas SHIELLS" aged 15 in 1851 in Montreal > Roger > > ... > > Thank you so very much!! > Dee > >

Roger I am overwhelmed with your kindness! ................and stunned that Thomas might be from Scotland and not Ireland!! I would never have thought of all these possiblities without the help of the people on this list. I shall let you know if I have any success following up. This has always been one of the brick walls in my research and I am excited to think I might be able to vault over it. Thank you so very much!! Dee In a message dated 1/29/2010 2:57:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rnowlan@primus.ca writes: Dee, I had an afterthought about Victoria and it possibly relating to Victoriaville, Quebec, which is between Quebec city and the New Hampshire border. I therefore looked for Shiels in the 1851 census and found the following family living in Montreal county, St. Laurent. I believe this to be the St. Laurent district of modern-day Montreal. The main train station in Montreal at the time was the "Victoria Station" so this could also be the "Victoria" meant on the immigration form. 1851 Census - Montreal county, St. Laurent ---------------------------------------------------- James Shiells 45, trader, Scotland, Presbyterian Agnes Boa, 37, b. Scotland Janet, 17, b. CB Thomas, 15, b. CB [RN: The census form is filled out in French; I take "CB" to mean "Colonies Britanniques", essentially anywhere in the British Colonies] Jane, 13, b. CB Ann, 11, b. CB Elizabeth, 9, b. CB Euphemia, 7, b. CB Robert, 5, b. CB James, 2, b. CB Robert Smithe, servant, 18, b. CB Regards, Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: <MacShea95@aol.com> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > Thank you Mary. He originally appears in the Census in New Hampshire. He > eventually moves to Boston. > > > > In a message dated 1/28/2010 10:31:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > maryfr14@comcast.net writes: > > > > Like Roger, I also thought of Canada, but the other side. I was thinking > of Victoria BC. (Which is very close to Seattle.) If your ancestor came > to the US via Canada I guess which of these Victoria's would depend on > where > he settled in the US - East or West. > > > > Mary > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:21:23 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > > Dee, > > Could your ancestor have come to the US from Ireleand via Canada, from > New > Brunswick (my home province) to be exact. > If I recall correctly there were disbanded soldiers who were given land > in > Victoria county, New Brunswick. If I also recall correctly there also > even > villages named Carlow and Wicklow in the area. > > Just a thought! > > Roger Nowlan > > ********************* > http://nolanfamilies.org > ********************* > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MacShea95@aol.com> > To: <IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:01 PM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > > >> Since this is the list with the most gifted members I am going to put > out >> another query. My relative Thomas Shields/Shiels (of which there are > some >> in Carlow) put on his application for citizenship in America that he was >> from "Victoria". Does this ring a bell with anyone? >> >> Many thanks! >> >> Dee >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe to the List. 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Dee, I had an afterthought about Victoria and it possibly relating to Victoriaville, Quebec, which is between Quebec city and the New Hampshire border. I therefore looked for Shiels in the 1851 census and found the following family living in Montreal county, St. Laurent. I believe this to be the St. Laurent district of modern-day Montreal. The main train station in Montreal at the time was the "Victoria Station" so this could also be the "Victoria" meant on the immigration form. 1851 Census - Montreal county, St. Laurent ---------------------------------------------------- James Shiells 45, trader, Scotland, Presbyterian Agnes Boa, 37, b. Scotland Janet, 17, b. CB Thomas, 15, b. CB [RN: The census form is filled out in French; I take "CB" to mean "Colonies Britanniques", essentially anywhere in the British Colonies] Jane, 13, b. CB Ann, 11, b. CB Elizabeth, 9, b. CB Euphemia, 7, b. CB Robert, 5, b. CB James, 2, b. CB Robert Smithe, servant, 18, b. CB Regards, Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: <MacShea95@aol.com> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > Thank you Mary. He originally appears in the Census in New Hampshire. He > eventually moves to Boston. > > > > In a message dated 1/28/2010 10:31:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > maryfr14@comcast.net writes: > > > > Like Roger, I also thought of Canada, but the other side. I was thinking > of Victoria BC. (Which is very close to Seattle.) If your ancestor came > to the US via Canada I guess which of these Victoria's would depend on > where > he settled in the US - East or West. > > > > Mary > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:21:23 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > > Dee, > > Could your ancestor have come to the US from Ireleand via Canada, from > New > Brunswick (my home province) to be exact. > If I recall correctly there were disbanded soldiers who were given land > in > Victoria county, New Brunswick. If I also recall correctly there also > even > villages named Carlow and Wicklow in the area. > > Just a thought! > > Roger Nowlan > > ********************* > http://nolanfamilies.org > ********************* > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MacShea95@aol.com> > To: <IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:01 PM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > > >> Since this is the list with the most gifted members I am going to put > out >> another query. My relative Thomas Shields/Shiels (of which there are > some >> in Carlow) put on his application for citizenship in America that he was >> from "Victoria". Does this ring a bell with anyone? >> >> Many thanks! >> >> Dee >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe to the List. 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Magistrates included in the Commissions of the Peace in Ireland 1/5/1832- Co Carlow Sir Thomas Buter -Bart Sor John Harvey Knt Edward Eustace William Browne John Staunton Rochford Robert Eustace Philip Nwton Thomas Kavanagh Francis Dillon Henry Faulkiner Luke Hagart James Eustace John F Cornwall Robert Doyne William Fishbourne Henry Waters -Esq Philsworth Whelan Walter Balckney Nicholas Aylward William Richard Stewart William Duckett William Burton John Archibold Leonard Thomas Bookey John Watson Thomas H Watson Walter Newton James Hardy Eustace Henry Bruen John Whelan Samuel Elliott James Butler Esq., David Burtchall Esq Major Robert Bushe Robert Durdin Robert Clayton Browne William Carey Horace Rochfort John Dawson Duckett Joseph Dawson Duckett Joseph Greene Esq. Gerald Fitzgerald Nicholas Aylward Viagors (Vigors ) Esq. Captain John Spencer Manning Lieutenant-col Daniel Toler Osborne Major Thomas Ryan Mathew Singelton Thomas Derenzy Esqr. These names only show you what they worked at and does sugget they were still living in May of 1832. Nothing more known. Cheers Cara

Dee, If Thomas was born in 1835 and went to Victoria county, New Brunswick, his name might appear in the 1851 and/or 1861 census for New Brunswick, or an early census for Maine. Lumbering people moved freely across the border at the time. Regards, Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: <MacShea95@aol.com> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > Roger > > I did not want to prejudice the answer by suggesting Canada. It was my > first instinct. This man was born in 1835. I am unsure that he was a > soldier > of any kind. As a matter of fact I know very little about him. He died in > Boston in 1868 in dire poverty I would suspect. > > I had originally thought he might have come to New Hampshire from Ireland > through Canada (as a route); not that he would have considered himself a > Canadian. It's a whole new world of thinking for me and I am not sure how > to > proceed. > > Dee > > > In a message dated 1/28/2010 10:21:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rnowlan@primus.ca writes: > > Dee, > > Could your ancestor have come to the US from Ireleand via Canada, from > New > Brunswick (my home province) to be exact. > If I recall correctly there were disbanded soldiers who were given land > in > > Victoria county, New Brunswick. If I also recall correctly there also > even > villages named Carlow and Wicklow in the area. > > Just a thought! > > Roger Nowlan > > ********************* > http://nolanfamilies.org > ********************* > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MacShea95@aol.com> > To: <IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:01 PM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > > >> Since this is the list with the most gifted members I am going to put > out >> another query. My relative Thomas Shields/Shiels (of which there are > some >> in Carlow) put on his application for citizenship in America that he was >> from "Victoria". Does this ring a bell with anyone? >> >> Many thanks! >> >> Dee >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >> --------------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the >> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the > Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A Pike was a steel or iron spearhead mounted on a shaft resembling a lance , produced by local blacksmiths. Its hook could be used to unseat a cavalryman or to sever a horse's bridle.

Thank you also Tom for taking the time to reply. I had an inkling that was the case but I've assumed some things wrong in the past. Denny ----- Original Message ----- From: MacShea95@aol.com To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:10:27 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan Um.............can anyone tell me what a "pike" is?? Thanks In a message dated 1/28/2010 9:08:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tlaporte@mts.net writes: Hello Denny I'm assuming that these were all men who were applying for protection from prosecution following the events of May 24, 1798 when the United Irishmen gathered in areas around Carlow and then attacked the town with a great loss of life as the army had been made aware that the rebels were coming and led them into a hidden trap where many were killed. These men in this list seem to have been seen with pikes in their possession that day or the pikes were found later in their possession and now they are providing their own affidavits or are providing affidavits from other upstanding citizens in support of their request for protection from prosecution. Close enough Mick? Tom -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of guscarroll@comcast.net Sent: 28 January 2010 18:55 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan Interogative; I'm not sure what is being asked in the emails where they are asking for "Protection". Are they trying to escape some charges account of owning the pikes? I missed something some where and I'm not sure of the context. Thanks, Denny Carroll ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:27:18 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan (my mistake , there were "Nolans" recorded. J.C.) here is James Nolan seeking a Protection recorded in Journal of Dudley Hill, James gives very little information !. Seeking Protection: James Nolan, of Ballon, Labourer, had a pike. ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roger, Thank you for taking the time to reply. I suspected that was the case with the pikes and protection, just wasn't sure. Where in Canada are you situated. My family went to Canada originally. The a part of Ontario. Camden and the surrounding area. I've noticed the Nolan/Nowlan traffic on this site. The records I've seen in Canada have seemed to indicate a relationship with my Carrolls/Byrn(e)(s) as friends or relations from the Clonmore (Carlow) or Killabeg area of Co. Wicklow. At any rate thanks again for your time sir! Denny Carroll Denny Carroll Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:37:04 To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan - PIKES & PROTECTION explained - I hope! Denny, Being Canadian, I am no expert on Irish history but, for those like Denny who may be wondering about "protection" and "pikes" here is my take on the historical context. In 1798, buoyed by the recent success of Independence movements in America (1776) and in France, there was also a Rebellion of sorts in Ireland, commonly referred to as the "Rebellion of 1798". County carlow was particularly hard hit although most of the military action seems to have been concentrated in Co. Wexford (Battle of Vinegar Hill, etc.). The French even made a landing in northwestern Ireland. To make a long story short the Rebellion failed and most of the United Irishmen were only equipped with "pikes" (a lance of sort carried by people on foot). The bearing of arms in Ireland had been strictly controlled in Ireland and very few of the common folk had firearms, hence the appearance of "pikes" on the scene, usually made by local blacksmiths. In Carlow, on an appointed day, all the "United Irishmen" (members of a secret Irish society, Catholics AND Protestants) and their leaders, many of them former yoeman (a sort of military policeman), converged on Carlow town to take the town from the military (there was also attack on Borris if my memory serves me right). The attack was to be a surprise but somehow the military were alerted beforehand and, again, to make a long story short, many of the United Irishmen were killed or trapped in burning buildings. Those who survived were offered "protection" from prosecution if they provided information, if my understanding is correct, usually the names of other United Irishmen e.g. who their captain was. In the end, I believe that many of the survivors were granted an amnesty. However, for the first few years following 1798, there seems to have been reprisals from both sides, a sort of settling of scores "outside the law". Those who took part in such actions (beatings, house burnings, etc.) were also called rebels. In my own family research I have identified I believe someone who died during this period. He is generally known to history as "Farmer Clowry" who was shot while working in his field. His tombstone in the Kellistown cemetery gives his year of death as 1800. His first name was Darby (Jeremiah) and his widow, Anne, applied for and received a Government pension around 1804 (source: Early Parliamentary papers of Ireland). My Canadian ancestor's mother was previously married to a James Clowry who lived in the same area as Farmer Clowry. I wanted to keep it short but there you have it. If anyone wants to add clarifications or make corrections jump in. However, I think that most people want to turn the page on this sad period in Irish history. Bye for now, Roger Nowlan ****************** http://nolanfamilies.org ****************** ----- Original Message ----- From: <guscarroll@comcast.net> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan > > > Interogative; I'm not sure what is being asked in the emails where they > are asking for "Protection". Are they trying to escape some charges > account of owning the pikes? I missed something some where and I'm not > sure of the context. > > Thanks, > > Denny Carroll > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:27:18 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan > > (my mistake > , there were "Nolans" recorded. J.C.) > here is James Nolan seeking a Protection recorded in Journal of Dudley > Hill, > James gives very little information !. > Seeking Protection: > James Nolan, of Ballon, Labourer, had a pike. > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. 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Like Roger, I also thought of Canada, but the other side.  I was thinking of Victoria BC.  (Which is very close to Seattle.)  If your ancestor came to the US via Canada I guess which of these Victoria's would depend on where he settled in the US - East or West. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:21:23 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria Dee, Could your ancestor have come to the US from Ireleand via Canada, from New Brunswick (my home province) to be exact. If I recall correctly there were disbanded soldiers who were given land in Victoria county, New Brunswick.  If I also recall correctly there also even villages named Carlow and Wicklow in the area. Just a thought! Roger Nowlan ********************* http://nolanfamilies.org ********************* ----- Original Message ----- From: <MacShea95@aol.com> To: <IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:01 PM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > Since this is the list with the most gifted members I am going  to put out > another query. My relative Thomas Shields/Shiels (of which there are  some > in Carlow) put on his application for citizenship in America that he was > from "Victoria". Does this ring a bell with anyone? > > Many thanks! > > Dee > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com  with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com  with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Interogative; I'm not sure what is being asked in the emails where they are asking for "Protection". Are they trying to escape some charges account of owning the pikes? I missed something some where and I'm not sure of the context. Thanks, Denny Carroll ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:27:18 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan (my mistake , there were "Nolans" recorded. J.C.) here is James Nolan seeking a Protection recorded in Journal of Dudley Hill, James gives very little information !. Seeking Protection: James Nolan,                of Ballon, Labourer, had a pike. ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com  with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dee, I have Sheil/Sheilds relatives: James - married Catherine Walsh @ 1865 Their children: John - born 1866 Thomas - born 1868 James - born 1871 William - born 1874 Mary Elizabeth (my grandmother) - born 1878 James was Church of Ireland and Catherine was Catholic so they decided to raise the boys Protestant the the girl was raised Catholic. Here's what I have come to understand from family lore: John was divorced in England and he went to the "south seas". Thomas emigrated to Washington state, James moved to Dublin, William went to Belfast, and Mary E. came to America in 1921. What is the date for your Thomas' citizenship papers? ----- Original Message ----- From: <MacShea95@aol.com> To: <IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:01 PM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Victoria > Since this is the list with the most gifted members I am going to put out > another query. My relative Thomas Shields/Shiels (of which there are some > in Carlow) put on his application for citizenship in America that he was > from "Victoria". Does this ring a bell with anyone? > > Many thanks! > > Dee > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >