Thank you Roger...it's my Sheil relatives that I'm tracking in Tomard, but it's interesting to see there are Nolans there as well...they seem to be everywhere! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] TOMARD COUNTY CARLOW > Maribeth, > Tomard is in the neighbourhood of Leighlinbridge towards the north on the > western side of the river Barrow. There is tombstone in the Leighlinbridge > cemetery for a John Nolan of Tomard. > (see the third tombstone on this age > http://www.nolanfamilies.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=26&page=1 ). > > Also you can view a map of the area by going to the following page and > zooming in. > http://www.traveljournals.net/explore/ireland/map/p452797/tomard.html . > > In particular, I notice that it is also close to Ballinabranna which had > its > own cemetery. > (see http://www.nolanfamilies.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=79 ). > > I also have a picture of an old church ruin for Tomard but I don't know > where the records for this church would be. I will send you the picture > off-list. > > Bye for now, > > Roger > > *********************** > http://nolanfamilies.org > *********************** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maribeth E. Nolan" <nolanme@verizon.net> > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:22 AM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] TOMARD COUNTY CARLOW > > >> I'm wondering if someone can tell me where Tomard is in County Carlow? Is >> it near Leighlinbridge? My ggfather's tombstone indicates he's from >> Tomard. Thank you. >> >> Maribeth E. Nolan >> nolanme@verizon.net >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >> --------------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the >> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Maribeth, Tomard is in the neighbourhood of Leighlinbridge towards the north on the western side of the river Barrow. There is tombstone in the Leighlinbridge cemetery for a John Nolan of Tomard. (see the third tombstone on this age http://www.nolanfamilies.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=26&page=1 ). Also you can view a map of the area by going to the following page and zooming in. http://www.traveljournals.net/explore/ireland/map/p452797/tomard.html . In particular, I notice that it is also close to Ballinabranna which had its own cemetery. (see http://www.nolanfamilies.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=79 ). I also have a picture of an old church ruin for Tomard but I don't know where the records for this church would be. I will send you the picture off-list. Bye for now, Roger *********************** http://nolanfamilies.org *********************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maribeth E. Nolan" <nolanme@verizon.net> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:22 AM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] TOMARD COUNTY CARLOW > I'm wondering if someone can tell me where Tomard is in County Carlow? Is > it near Leighlinbridge? My ggfather's tombstone indicates he's from > Tomard. Thank you. > > Maribeth E. Nolan > nolanme@verizon.net > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

1886. Landlordism in Borris. ( surname now Watters ) On Monday last Mr Jameson, Sub-Sheriff of Carlow, accompanied by a force of twelve police under the command of Sub-Inspector Joy, proceeded to Borris to sell a horse the property of Mrs Anne Watters of Kilcloney, which had been previously seized. The seizure was made to realise a sum of 10 pounds which at the request of the landlord R.W. Pack-Beresford granted at the Courthouse, Carlow. The history of Mrs Watters' persecution by the landlord ever since she dared to go into the land court to have a fair rent fixed is extraordinary, and shows an insane desire by the landlord to ruin a respectable, industrious tenant. . In the year 1884 Mrs Watters had a fair rent fixed on her farm. In 1885 Mrs Watters offered the half year's rent due but it was refused by the agent Mr Fitzherbert of Abbeyleix and payment was demanded of the old hanging gale which had been running on the farm for upwards of 200 years. Mrs Watters and her son Michael refused to yield to this unjust demand, and in the month of April their cattle were seized and sold by the sheriff. In 1886 a year's rent was again demanded and the tenant refused to pay that amount on account of the hanging-gale which had been extorted. Legal proceedings were again taken and the interest in the farm was put up for sale in March of this present year. The farm was bought in for the tenant by another person and a years rent paid to the sheriff. The sheriff's costs amounted to 10 pounds to recover this cost a horse was seized on the understanding that it would be sold at a sale in Borris. The horse, which is a fine animal, was ridden by a boy into Borris. Both horse and boy were profusely decorated with green ribbons. Immediately behind the horse was led a donkey bearing on his back a grotesque figure dressed in full hunting costume. The figure was designed to typify lardlordism but many said the the makers of the figure were too flattering to that group. The rider of the horse and his queer-looking companion were met outside the town by the Borris Brass Band and escorted up and down the street. Meanwhile news was received that the sheriff and auctioneer , Mr George Wilson, had decided to sell the horse at a sale to be held on the farm at Kilcloney . On hearing this Rev. W.P.Bourke and Michael Watters and a large crowd proceeded to Kilcloney to demand that the sale be held in Borris. The sale was then cancelled. The gathering was then addressed by Rev. W.P.Bourke who was received with cheers. He said that he had been out all morning although he was suffering from a severe cold. He said that Beresford was only hurting himself by making such an unjust demand for a hanging gale that was not called for for 40 or 50 years. before. All opposition must be directed against "Hanging-gale Beresford" he declared. Mr P. Murphy proposed thanks to Mrs Anne Watters and her son Michael for having so courageously, now for the third time , faced the greedy landlord "Hanging-gale Pack-Beresford". Mr J.C. Breen said the name Pack-Beresford sounded bad and if ever a name stunk in the nostrils of any right thinking Irishman it was the name of Pack-Beresford for he had attempted to sell out Mrs Watters farm and make her family quit the country. Michael Watters then addressed the meeting , he thanked all present for their support and the countrymen in America and Australia who were sending over large sums of money to the National League to support the downtrodden for victory. If there was one spot more than another in all Ireland where the people should be united for the overthrow of landlordism it should be in Carlow.There is not a place in Ireland that has suffered so much from landlords. It was here that the saddest scenes ever witnessed were made manifest. They could all recall the days of Charley Doyne who spread desolation over the entire country, he drove thousands of souls out without a home or shelter. From the hillsides of the White Mountains, to St. Mullins and Marley and through Slyguff and Kilcloney. Today we have another Charley --Mr Charley Thorpe to do the landlords dirty work.. The meeting then broke up but before doing so they dragged the "landlord effigy" from the donkey and after being deluged with paraffin oil was set fire to and reduced to ashes. Next installment " Watters vs Beresford - Round 3"

I'm wondering if someone can tell me where Tomard is in County Carlow? Is it near Leighlinbridge? My ggfather's tombstone indicates he's from Tomard. Thank you. Maribeth E. Nolan nolanme@verizon.net

Micheal The team were a Carlow Town soccer team, Greenburrin Rovers.There was a town league, Barrow Rovers were another team. ! Mick Sullivan from Killian’s Crescent, worked in the Nationalist and Leinster Times. PJ Keating. Graiguecullen. Worked in Thomas Thompsons Gerry O'Brien, A son of “Darky Brien” of Barrack street and brother of Joe, RTE’S agricultural correspondent,. Gerry worked for the Ordnance Survey Office. Don't know much else, never was a fan of "Garrison games" Regards PP, On 30 January 2010 20:11, Michael Brennan <mjbrennan@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > I have a query which I'm hoping someone can shed some light on. >

Hi Joann, Thank you very much for your kind reply, through Ancestery I know there are living relations, they have the guts of the family tree, I am very interested in any records from St. Mullins, especially any records pertaining to Pierce Ryan and Elizabeth Coady. I have to tell you the truth, I am not related to any of these people, but I am attending a genealogical degree course in UCD Dublin. I have been handed this project to try and find out the family of Pierce and Elizabeth. I know I can go into the NLI and check parish records, but if any records are online brilliant. The next parish records to go online on: www.irishgenealogy.ie Are Carlow and Cork They should be online before June, if you check Kerry and Dublin records, you will see the return they give, Dublin is still incomplete and some C of I Kerry records. Thank you again Joann Brendan ----- "Joann Taylor" <joannt@teleport.com> wrote: > Hi. > > I might be able to help guide you a bit. > > What specific details do you have from the Ohio branch? > > The brother and sister you are looking for in Ireland, have you > checked > the Irish Census' to see if they possibly stayed in Ireland? The > girl, > likely married and changed her name, so she would not necessarily be > listed as you expect. > > If you think either likely married in St. Mullins, you might be able > to > check the church records there, which I know they have transcribed - > that might give you a clue if the sister had a married name... > > The Ohio folks might be a good lead as there might be documents out > there - like obituaries - that list living relatives and where they > might be located at the time of the sibling's death. > There are some good Ohio records, so let me know what you have and I > might be able to point you to some others. > > Joann Malone Taylor > (of the Malone's of St. Mullins) > Now, of Portland, OR > > You can reach me at: joannt@teleport.com

I did mean Barney - not Braney Hennessy ----- Original Message ----- From: "glyn" <glynhardwick@homechoice.co.uk> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow Football 1970's? > well all I can say is Olly Hennessey has to be ralated to the famous > Hennessey family of Graigue (Braney Hennessy included) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Brennan" <mjbrennan@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:11 PM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow Football 1970's? > > >>I have a query which I'm hoping someone can shed some light on. >> >> I found an article in the Carlow Nationalist 2009 about a Football Team >> c.1970's and the author referred to them as the GREENBURRIN team. >> >> Image and article: >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Carlow_team.htm >> >> The players were: >> >> Tommy Flynn, Billy Ryan, Oily Hennessy, Paul Haughney, Mick Sullivan, >> Tommy >> Sheridan, Niall Broughall, PJ Keating. Gerry Mutton, Gerry O'Brien, John >> Byrne, Christy Lawler, Gerry Keating. >> >> They played in the Dublin AUL (Athletic Union League) and in later years >> the >> Counties League. >> >> I have searched for the name GREENBURRIN but cant find any mention of >> them >> anywhere. >> >> Can anyone provide any information that would tell me who they played >> for? >> >> >> Regards >> >> Michael Brennan >> >> Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ >> My Laois Page: >> http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm >> >> >> >> >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >> --------------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the >> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

well all I can say is Olly Hennessey has to be ralated to the famous Hennessey family of Graigue (Braney Hennessy included) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Brennan" <mjbrennan@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:11 PM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow Football 1970's? >I have a query which I'm hoping someone can shed some light on. > > I found an article in the Carlow Nationalist 2009 about a Football Team > c.1970's and the author referred to them as the GREENBURRIN team. > > Image and article: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Carlow_team.htm > > The players were: > > Tommy Flynn, Billy Ryan, Oily Hennessy, Paul Haughney, Mick Sullivan, > Tommy > Sheridan, Niall Broughall, PJ Keating. Gerry Mutton, Gerry O'Brien, John > Byrne, Christy Lawler, Gerry Keating. > > They played in the Dublin AUL (Athletic Union League) and in later years > the > Counties League. > > I have searched for the name GREENBURRIN but cant find any mention of them > anywhere. > > Can anyone provide any information that would tell me who they played for? > > > Regards > > Michael Brennan > > Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ > My Laois Page: > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > > > > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From the PPP. April 1885. On Saturday last , April 11th, Mr Jameson, Sub-Sheriff for Carlow accompanied by his bailiffs and protected by a strong guard of police, visited the townland of Kilcloney, near Borris to seek possession from Mrs Anne Waters of her farm., in pursuance of a decree obtained by Mr Beresford the landlord for the recovery of a hanging gale. This hanging gale had been on the estate for more than a century and a half and was in existence long before the property came into the possession of the present landlord. Amongst those present were Joe Delany, a well known bailiff from Borris and an underling of Mr Beresfords named Burke who distinguished themselves throughout be their insolence and impertinence. The sub-sheriff arrived at noon and proceeded to take possession of the premises by having the furniture removed from the dwelling house. After part of the effects had been brought out , Mrs Waters, being advised by her friends that she had done all that was necessary as a protest, she satisfied the landlords claim by paying the money due. The proceedings were attended by a large crowd of local people with a contingent of horsemen present and the scene was also graced by the presence of a number of ladies. The Rev. W.P. Bourke, who was loudly cheered, then addressed the assembled crowd - - He stated that he did not think it well that they should separate without protesting formally against the outrageous treatment that Mrs Waters had been subjected to. Young Mr Beresford came of age a few weeks ago and his first introduction to his tenantry there was through the sheriff , who had come to eject Mrs Waters not because she was unable to meet all just demands on rent etc but because she had refused to pay the hanging gale which was due before Mr Beresford was born, or before Mr Beresford owned a piece of land in Kilcloney. The father of the present Mr Beresford was dead, and as they were told to say nothing of the dead except what was good, and as he had nothing good to say about the late Capt. Beresford he would extend to him the charity of silence. >From this day on , he said, the Beresford family will be known as "Hanging-gale Beresford". "I tell the people" he continued, "that they need not be particularly squeamish as to what means they would adopt to stop fox-hunting by the landlords on their land". Mr M. Waters thanked the people for coming out to support them. The gathering then dispersed cheering for Mrs Waters and the Irish National League.

I have a query which I'm hoping someone can shed some light on. I found an article in the Carlow Nationalist 2009 about a Football Team c.1970's and the author referred to them as the GREENBURRIN team. Image and article: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Carlow_team.htm The players were: Tommy Flynn, Billy Ryan, Oily Hennessy, Paul Haughney, Mick Sullivan, Tommy Sheridan, Niall Broughall, PJ Keating. Gerry Mutton, Gerry O'Brien, John Byrne, Christy Lawler, Gerry Keating. They played in the Dublin AUL (Athletic Union League) and in later years the Counties League. I have searched for the name GREENBURRIN but cant find any mention of them anywhere. Can anyone provide any information that would tell me who they played for? Regards Michael Brennan Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm

>From a copybook in the Bunbury Papers. (PPP) January 188? ( would Turtle add the year ?)) DEATH OF CAPT. DENIS WILLIAM PATRICK PACK-BERESFORD Esq. D.L., J.P.of Fenagh House, Carlow. The death of Capt. Denis Pack- Beresford took place last week at his residence Fenagh House,Carlow. We regret having to add his name to the obituary list of this year the death of the above estimable gentleman, which took place, rather suddenly, on Wednesday night last. He had been suffering from an acute attack of gout which he appeared to have surmounted ; but that dread enemy was only momentarily baffled , for, it returned on the morning of Wednesday last , and put a sudden termination to the life of this widely-known and popular gentleman. He succumbed to an attack of apoplexy shortly before mid-night. He was the second son of the disinguished Peninsular officer, the late Major-General Sir Denis Pack, K.C.B. (who five times received the thanks of Parliament for his military services), his mother was the Lady Elizabeth Louisa la Poer Beresford daughter of George , First Marquis of Waterford. Denis was born on the 7th July 1818 and assumed , by Royal License, the additional name of Beresford in March 1854, in compliance with the will of his godfather and relative William Carr, Field Marshal Viscount Beresford, G.C.B. by virtue of which he had succeeded to that nobleman's estates in Carlow. In 1858 he was appointed Deputy-Lieutenant and Justice of the Peace and served the office of High Sheriff for Carlow county. In 1862 on the retirement of Capt.W.K. McClintock Bunbury he was elected Member of Parliament for Carlow in the Conservative interest, he was re-chosen at the General Election of 1865. On the 12th February 1863 he married Annette Caroline, only daughter of Robert Clayton Browne, Esq. D.L. of Browne's Hill by whom he leaves a youthful family of seven sons and two daughters. Capt.Denis Pack-Beresford was educated at the Royal Academy, Wollwich, he received his commission in 1836 and commenced his career in the Royal Artillery. On the breaking out of the Crimean War he volunteered for active service and was appointed extra aide-de-camp to General Cator and accompanied that officer to the East. On his return to Carlow he retired from the service to devote himself to the duties of his property as resident landlord. In every relation of life he was highly esteemed and his loss as an improving resident landlord, a liberal employer and generous benefactor of the poor, will be long and severely felt and especially in the locality of Fenagh, which he raised from a condition of wretchedness to comfort and prosperity. Like most country gentlemen , the deceased was an active votary of all field sports, and in the racing world was well known on both sides of the St. George's Channel. The remains of this lamented gentleman were interred in Lorum churchyard. The funeral which left Fenagh House shortly after noon was one of the largest that has taken place in the county for many years, the immense gathering , composed of men of all classes and creeds. Following a portion of the solemn funeral service held in Fenagh House which was read by the Rev. T.G.J. Phillips, Rector of Fenagh, the mournful cortege which extended fully a mile proceeded to Lorum, which was reached about two-clock. The coffin was brought into the church where the service was read by the Very Rev. the Dean of Leighlin and the Rev. Canon Finlay. The remains were encased in a suit of three coffins, the outer one of polished oak with gilt mountings, and bearing the simple inscription of the name, age, and date of death. It was laden with wreaths and immortelles, prepared by loving hands and placed there by relatives present and others were sent by the following, who were unable to attend :- Mr and Mrs Clayton- Browne, Mrs William Clayton-Browne, Lady Burton, Mrs Reynell Pack, Mrs Arthur Elliott, Mrs James Anson Farren, Sir William Reynell Anson, Algernon H. Anson, Esq. R,N. (nephews) Miss Ada Newton and Mrs William Vesey.

Hello Listers, I am new to this list, I wonder if anyone would advise me on how to research the following families. Ned Ryan (1800-1829) married Catherine Watson Son: Pierce Ryan (1827-1894) of Aughnaglear married Elizabeth Coady / Cody Children I know about so far Michael c 1863 John Francis born 1864 emigrated to Columbus Ohio, I have details on this family Mary 1866 What happened to Michael & his sister Mary. Your help would be much appreciated Brendan

Brendan We are related to the Coady/Cody family of St. Mullins. Bridget Coady married Michael Ring. I am guessing that they married in the late 1850's early 1860. Their children were: Michael.........Patrick........James.......John.......and possibly Anne. All information stops with Michael and Bridget. Should you come across any information I would greatly appreciate knowing. Dee In a message dated 1/30/2010 4:43:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, irishmediaweb@eircom.net writes: Hi Joann, Thank you very much for your kind reply, through Ancestery I know there are living relations, they have the guts of the family tree, I am very interested in any records from St. Mullins, especially any records pertaining to Pierce Ryan and Elizabeth Coady. I have to tell you the truth, I am not related to any of these people, but I am attending a genealogical degree course in UCD Dublin. I have been handed this project to try and find out the family of Pierce and Elizabeth. I know I can go into the NLI and check parish records, but if any records are online brilliant. The next parish records to go online on: www.irishgenealogy.ie Are Carlow and Cork They should be online before June, if you check Kerry and Dublin records, you will see the return they give, Dublin is still incomplete and some C of I Kerry records. Thank you again Joann Brendan ----- "Joann Taylor" <joannt@teleport.com> wrote: > Hi. > > I might be able to help guide you a bit. > > What specific details do you have from the Ohio branch? > > The brother and sister you are looking for in Ireland, have you > checked > the Irish Census' to see if they possibly stayed in Ireland? The > girl, > likely married and changed her name, so she would not necessarily be > listed as you expect. > > If you think either likely married in St. Mullins, you might be able > to > check the church records there, which I know they have transcribed - > that might give you a clue if the sister had a married name... > > The Ohio folks might be a good lead as there might be documents out > there - like obituaries - that list living relatives and where they > might be located at the time of the sibling's death. > There are some good Ohio records, so let me know what you have and I > might be able to point you to some others. > > Joann Malone Taylor > (of the Malone's of St. Mullins) > Now, of Portland, OR > > You can reach me at: joannt@teleport.com ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Cara: Were you aware of this interruption ??????? I have not seen any notice on any of the IRL. list Edd Sinnett in Florida -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Advance Notice: Please note these dates if you are planning a visit. Interruption to PRONI service: September 2010 - May 2011 In preparation for PRONI's forthcoming relocation to Titanic Quarter, from September 2010 to May 2011 there will be no public access to PRONI's Balmoral Avenue site. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2616 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2654 - Release Date: 01/28/10 19:36:00

This has been going on now for a while. Its been in the making for about a year or more now. You can view some records in PRONI, but not all, as most have been moved to the new Titanic Quarter. Treacy . > From: Cara_Links@bigpond.com > To: ireland-genealogy-newbies@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:06:12 +1100 > CC: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com; irl-dublin@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Fw: Interruption to PRONI service: September 2010 - May 2011 > > > > > Hi Cara: > Were you aware of this interruption ??????? > I have not seen any notice on any of the IRL. list > > Edd Sinnett in Florida > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Advance Notice: Please note these dates if you are planning a visit. > > Interruption to PRONI service: September 2010 - May 2011 > In preparation for PRONI's forthcoming relocation to Titanic Quarter, from September 2010 to May 2011 there will be no public access to PRONI's Balmoral Avenue site. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 2616 of my spam emails to date. > The Professional version does not have this message. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2654 - Release Date: 01/28/10 19:36:00 > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Circa 1885 --among the donations to the building of a new church in Rathvilly the following friends of Rathvilly living in the USA were recorded as subscribers. Mrs Honora Mulqueen, Norwalk, Connecticut. Miss Winifred and Julia Foley, 272 Prytania St. New Orleans. Mrs Thomas Barret, 45 Bradford St. Auburn. Mrs Mary McGrath, 7509 Sixth St. South St. Louis. Mrs James Doyle, Skaneateles Falls, Onondagh Co, New York. Mrs Kavanagh, 87 Church Street, Jersy City Heights, New Jersey. Mr Thomas Collins, Alpena, Michigan. Mrs William Grace, Norwalk, Connecticut. Mr Laurence Byrne, 1020 Prospect St. Cleveland, Ohio. Mrs Francis Stapleton, 104 Green Point, Brooklyn. Mrs Mary Kinsella, Norwalk, Connecticut. Miss Mark Harmon, 62 West 49th Street, New York. Michael P. Ryan, West Hartford, Conn. Miss Mary Nolan, Hartford, Conn. Michael Bowe, Jersey City, Jersey. Miss Winifred Keeffe , Jamica, Long Island, Queens County, New York. Mr Thomas Finnegan, North Amherst, Lorainne Co. Ohio. Rev. T. P. Thorpe, St. John's Cathedral, Cleveland, Ohio. James McLoughlin, Rochester, New York. Miss Sarah Lennon, Williamsburgh, New York. Thomas Ryan, 814 Grove Street, San Francisco. Michael Hunt, Otterville, Ontario. Canada. James F. Byrne,328 Broadway, NY. Pat Teft ? 539 West 60th St. NY. Miss Mary Harmon,62 West, 49th Street, NY. Miss Bridget Lawlor, same address. Miss Jane Owens, same address. Miss Julia Prendergast, 35 East 36th Street, NY. John Harmon, 300 West 55th St. NY. Thomas Kean, Emigrant Industrial Savings Bank, NY. Pat Deering, 248 West, 123 St. NY. Mr M Hunt, Otterville, Ontario, Canada. Rosanna Brennan, Woburn, Massachusetts. Eliza Cunningham, 66 Urbain St. Montreal. Joseph Germaine, Savanna, Gal. Mr P. Deering, 248 West 123 Street,NY. Mr J.F. Byrne, NY. Mr T. Kane, NY. Mr J.F. Germaine, Savannagh. Mr Ryan, 31 Pinkey Place, San Francisco. Mr R. O'Neill, Cleveland, Ohio. Miss Mary Murphy, 246 Belton Street, Baltimore. Mr Francis Murphy, 22 Commerce St. Baltimore. Mr M. Bowe, 180 7th Street, Jersey City, New Jersey. Miss Margaret Redmond, 201 East 13th Street, NY. Mr F. Stapleton, Green Point, Brooklyn. Mrs W. Grace, Norwalk, Conn. Mr L. Byrne, Cleveland, Ohio. Miss Kate Cummisky, Saxonville, Mass. Michael Goss, 545 East 16th Street, NY. Mr James Doyle, 15 Fulton Street, Auburn. Mrs M. McGrath, South St. Louis. The Misses Foley, 214 Philip Street, New Orleans.

> Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:06:12 +1100 > From: "Cara_Links" <Cara_Links@bigpond.com> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Fw: Interruption to PRONI service: September > 2010 - May 2011 > Hi Cara: > Were you aware of this interruption ??????? > I have not seen any notice on any of the IRL. list > Edd Sinnett in Florida > Thanks for pointing thois out Edd - Does anyone know how long it "usually" takes for PRONI to process a death registration?? Mike

No problem, I didn't see a posting of your reply to me but did see it via Dee's post. Not sure what happened there. I understand now that you are really focused on St. Mullins. You might contact the heritage center there for some additional leads related to your family. If you do want to noodle more on the US side, just let me know. I might be able to help. I did do a quick look and couldn't find your John Francis in Columbus - but I did a very cursory look. Good luck, Joann [1]MacShea95@aol.com wrote: Brendan We are related to the Coady/Cody family of St. Mullins. Bridget Coady married Michael Ring. I am guessing that they married in the late 1850's earl y 1860. Their children were: Michael.........Patrick........James.......John.......and possibly Anne. All information stops with Michael and Bridget. Should you come across any information I would greatly appreciate knowing. Dee In a message dated 1/30/2010 4:43:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [2]irishmediaweb@eircom.net writes: Hi Joann, Thank you very much for your kind reply, through Ancestery I know there are living relations, they have the guts of the family tree, I am very interested in any records from St. Mullins, especially any records pertaining to Pierce Ryan and Elizabeth Coady. I have to tell you the truth, I am not related to any of these people, but I am attending a genealogical degree course in UCD Dublin. I have been handed this project to try and find out the family of Pierce and Elizabeth. I know I can go into the NLI and check parish records, but if any records are online brilliant. The next parish records to go online on: [3]www.irishgenealogy.ie Are Carlow and Cork They should be online before June, if you check Kerry and Dublin records, you will see the return they give, Dublin is still incomplete and some C of I Kerry records. Thank you again Joann Brendan ----- "Joann Taylor" [4]<joannt@teleport.com> wrote: Hi. I might be able to help guide you a bit. What specific details do you have from the Ohio branch? The brother and sister you are looking for in Ireland, have you checked the Irish Census' to see if they possibly stayed in Ireland? The girl, likely married and changed her name, so she would not necessarily be listed as you expect. If you think either likely married in St. Mullins, you might be able to check the church records there, which I know they have transcribed - that might give you a clue if the sister had a married name... The Ohio folks might be a good lead as there might be documents out there - like obituaries - that list living relatives and where they might be located at the time of the sibling's death. There are some good Ohio records, so let me know what you have and I might be able to point you to some others. Joann Malone Taylor (of the Malone's of St. Mullins) Now, of Portland, OR You can reach me at: [5]joannt@teleport.com ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to [6]IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quo tes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [7]IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quo tes in the subject and the body of the message ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to [8]IRL-CARLOW-req uest@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subjec t box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [9]IRL-CARLOW-request@roo tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:MacShea95@aol.com 2. mailto:irishmediaweb@eircom.net 3. http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ 4. mailto:joannt@teleport.com 5. mailto:joannt@teleport.com 6. mailto:IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com 7. mailto:IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com 8. mailto:IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com 9. mailto:IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com

Dee, If Victoria referred to Thomas' allegiance then he could still be the "Thomas Shiells" on the 1851 Montreal, St. Laurent census, aged 15. I note that on the 1851 census the parents are given as: James Shiells, trader, b. Scotland, Presbyterian Anne Boa, b. Scotland In one of your earlier Emails you state that your Thomas' parents were: Roger and Anna Shiels. A possible scenario would be that James, the trader, with a large household and servant in 1851 hit upon hard times (e.g. loss of a ship at sea in which he had invested) and changed his name to escape detection by his creditors. Conjecture to be sure but nonetheless plausible! I will leave you to dig deeper if you so choose. A hint that the above scenario might be the case is the fact that the name of the mother in both cases is Anne/Anna. Best of luck! Roger ******************* http://nolanfamilies.org ******************* ----- Original Message ----- From: <MacShea95@aol.com> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] THOMAS SHIELS of Victoria, BC > Multiple thank yous Roger for all your works and for those of you who > have > tried to help me here. > > I shall surely research the Victoria areas but as Pat Zipf said recently > Victoria might have referred to the Queen as the particular question on > the > Naturalization form gives two choices: place of birth or allegiance. > Having researched some individuals asking for citizenship from New York I > have > come across numerous ones that refer to their loyalty to the > Queen.........not the area from which they came. This is certainly less > helpful to those > of us researching today. > > Again my many thanks to you all for your invaluable assistance and brain > sp > arking!! > > Dee > > > In a message dated 1/30/2010 11:44:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rnowlan@primus.ca writes: > > Tom, > Thank you for picking up on BC versus CB. > I guess I was too tired yesterday to pick up on it. > However, it did literally "come to me in my sleep" and you beat me to it > :-)) > > I checked on Wikipedia when British Columbia was first formed as a > colony. > It was only in 1858 but without Vancouver Island which was only added in > 1866. > So, someone born in Victoria (on Vancouver Island) circa 1835 and entered > the US before 1860 (when Thomas first appears on the New Hamphire census) > would have rightfully stated that he came from Victoria (originally a > British fort location). > > Now I have to come back to the issue of the meaning of CB. I checked > neighbouring pages of the 1851 census to see if CB also appeared on > neighbouring pages. It does! In profusion! It therefore appears that the > 1851 census taker, although French speaking (Descelles), used CB to mean > "Canada Bas" as you first suggested. It may have been the popular way of > saying it at the time. Language does evolve over time. > > To summarize, it looks as if the Montreal Shiells family in 1851 is > another > family, not Dee's (but possibly related!). > Nonetheless, in the meantime, I believe that the issue of "Victoria" as a > place of origin has been resolved. > > I suggest that Dee take a look at the history page for British Columbia > ( > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_British_Columbia ) to perhaps get > further ideas to pursue her research. I don't know what Victoria/ Fort > Victoria was like in 1835 when Thomas was born and that would be something > to research further. > > Bye for now, > Roger > > ******************** > http://nolanfamilies.org > ******************** > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the > Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Multiple thank yous Roger for all your works and for those of you who have tried to help me here. I shall surely research the Victoria areas but as Pat Zipf said recently Victoria might have referred to the Queen as the particular question on the Naturalization form gives two choices: place of birth or allegiance. Having researched some individuals asking for citizenship from New York I have come across numerous ones that refer to their loyalty to the Queen.........not the area from which they came. This is certainly less helpful to those of us researching today. Again my many thanks to you all for your invaluable assistance and brain sp arking!! Dee In a message dated 1/30/2010 11:44:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rnowlan@primus.ca writes: Tom, Thank you for picking up on BC versus CB. I guess I was too tired yesterday to pick up on it. However, it did literally "come to me in my sleep" and you beat me to it :-)) I checked on Wikipedia when British Columbia was first formed as a colony. It was only in 1858 but without Vancouver Island which was only added in 1866. So, someone born in Victoria (on Vancouver Island) circa 1835 and entered the US before 1860 (when Thomas first appears on the New Hamphire census) would have rightfully stated that he came from Victoria (originally a British fort location). Now I have to come back to the issue of the meaning of CB. I checked neighbouring pages of the 1851 census to see if CB also appeared on neighbouring pages. It does! In profusion! It therefore appears that the 1851 census taker, although French speaking (Descelles), used CB to mean "Canada Bas" as you first suggested. It may have been the popular way of saying it at the time. Language does evolve over time. To summarize, it looks as if the Montreal Shiells family in 1851 is another family, not Dee's (but possibly related!). Nonetheless, in the meantime, I believe that the issue of "Victoria" as a place of origin has been resolved. I suggest that Dee take a look at the history page for British Columbia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_British_Columbia ) to perhaps get further ideas to pursue her research. I don't know what Victoria/ Fort Victoria was like in 1835 when Thomas was born and that would be something to research further. Bye for now, Roger ******************** http://nolanfamilies.org ******************** ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message