Is there a list of those families evicted from Sliguff in the early to mid 1800's? I am looking for Denis Lennon's family. A Denis Lennon appears in each of the Civil Parishes of Sliguff and Myshall in Griffiths 1824-1840 with little else info. A Denis Lennon and a Mary Kelly and family show in the baptismal records on the Carlow IGP website for Civil Parish Dunleckny (now Fennagh?) in Townlands of Kilconner, Ballydarton, Fennagh. I am in the process of attempting to sort out these families. How wonderful would that be if there are lists of evictions? Thank you to everyone on this list...I really enjoy reading about the history of Carlow. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:37 AM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] a little background to Beresford history > At this stage a short extract from "The Carlow Gentry" may give readers > a little background to the Beresford history. > From pages 24--27. "The Carlow Gentry" by Jimmy O' Toole 1993. (I.S.B.N. 0 > 9522544 0 9) > "The image of Beresford as an absentee landlord was tough and > uncompromising, a policy carried out with ruthless effect during the time > of > agent Charles Doyne. Doyne, whose family had a large estate in Tullow, was > also land agent for the Kavanagh's of Borris, and with such a large block > of > tenant farmer votes under his control, he wielded enormous power during > the > political turmoil of the 1830's............................. > There were few estates in the county during that period to equal the level > of evictions experienced by tenants of Beresford. In 1836 , the Liberal > politician Nicholas Alward Vigors , in a petition to Parliament, said 86 > families had been evicted in the parish of Bagenalstown during the > previous > few years. Fifteen families were issued with notices to quit in Slyguff, > and > at one point , Beresford was accused of having evicted 103 families. > In March 1835 , Doyne was quoted as having told a meeting of > tenants --"that > Lord Beresford was determined to provide a class of tenants for his estate > over whom the priests would have no influence". In that policy , Doyne > seems to have succeeded because Fr. Andrew Phelan , a curate in > Dunleckney, > accused Beresford of "persecuting Catholics because of their religion". > Seventeen families were evicted from Kilcloney, and of the 120 acres > involved, 100 acres were given to two Protestant families, and the > remainder > to two Catholic tenants. Evictions were a much used political propaganda > weapon capitalised on by the opponents of landlords at election time ; and > frequently , notices to quit -- sometimes not acted upon -- were added to > the statistics of actual evictions. Landlords were sensitive in such > propaganda wars, and in 1841, Beresford successfully sued The Morning > Chronicle for its inaccurate and libellous description of evictions on his > estate near Tinryland. > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From Carlow Nationalist 1890. At Bagenalstown court Mr Denis Robert Pack-Beresford recently obtained a decree for the possession of Mrs Anne Watters farm at Kilcloney, Borris. For the past 6 years Mrs Watters, a poor widow and her family have been resisting the attempts of the landlord to extort a hanging-gale that has been due from time immemorial. The costs heaped on the tenant during this struggle have been enormous. Mrs Watters has offered to pay the rent due minus these costs, but the landlord shows no disposition to come to a reasonable settlement. >From the time that Mr Beresford became the landlord, six years ago, he has sought to continue the policy of Lord Beresford of evicting Catholics from the land. The rents being paid on time and up to date he had no weapon to make his power be felt and to chastise a tenant but to fall back upon the "hanging-gale" which course of action would mean utter ruin in 19 out of every 20 cases on his estate. William Ward J.P. of Bagnalstown , one of our great peacemakers, frequently sought justice for the tenant but Mr Beresford defied his reasoning. Should the landlord proceed to extremes , the tenant and her family will have the sympathy and support of every honest man in County Carlow. Following "hanging gale" Beresford's manoeuvres a Convention of the Irish National League was called and addressed by Father B. O' Neill. He stated that he knew the landlords of Carlow perhaps better than any other clergyman present, and he would say, : "For deeds that are dark, and for tricks that are mean, the landlords of Carlow are peculiar". He heard the name Beresford mentioned, ( hisses ) well he knew Beresford and through persecution by the Beresfords the parish over which he ruled was reduced in population from 10,000 Catholics to a little over 5,000. Where are all these men gone ? Who put them out ? Charley Doyne -( pitchcap ) that's who a most unmitigated scoundrel (groans) He was the man who done the dirty work for Kavanagh and Beresford (groans). The people of Carlow are the most obedient, self-sacrificing people in Ireland but they are been bruised and trampled upon, and if a worm were trodden upon it would turn, and turn the people will (loud cheering and applause ). Old Whitty , the parson, of Ballyoliver had told a Catholic asking for a Lease that he would not get it because he would vote against him. He ( Father O'Neill) knew what happened to Tom Cloven when he went in with a half-years rent, he could give no more because his cattle were dying ...Beresford put him out (hisses ). Bruen and Kavanagh misrepresented Carlow for 25 years, no doubt it was said that Carlow had a number of gentry of the bluest of blue blood ....Well we all know the origin of some of these blue-blood aristocrats (laughter). Father Ryan , Dwyer Gray, A.M. Sullivan and himself (Father O'Neill) were to speak from a platform on a Saturday night in Borris but the whole platform was blown up , and there was no dynamite anywhere in the neighbourhood except what was in Mr Kavanagh's demesne. Self preservation was the first law of nature and he now proposed that they form a defensive combination of the Irish tenants and approve the objects and aims of the Irish Tenants' Defence Association. (cheers). The meeting then concluded.

Coady Families I would just like to let you know that my great grgrgrandmother was Ellen Coady married to Edward Flood, a merchant in Graigue, Killishin, Carlow, between the 1840;s and 1885. His father John Flood was a boat builder in Graigue from the 1820's through the 1850's . Ellen Coady had a number of sisters including Maria. While Ellen Coady and Edward lived in Graigue, she was not from Graigue. Her brother Daniel Coady lived in Naas, Kildare and his son Daniel Patrick attended St. Patrick;s College in Carlow and went on to study medicine at Queens University in Galway. Other than what I have related, I havet been unable to find where Ellen (Eleanor) was born and where she got married. I do not know if there is any relationship to your COADY FAMILY since I have little solid information. I hope that this may give you another lead or area for investigation. Best regards, Paula Tuohy Miska Ann Arbor, MI On Feb 1, 2010, at 3:00 PM, irl-carlow-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > When replying a message in the digest, don't forget to change the > subject and > delete the part of the digest not related to your message. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Ryan and Coady / Cody families St. Mullins > (annagolan@eircom.net) > 2. Beresford promoted !. (michael purcell) > 3. Watters vs Beresford - Round 3. (michael purcell) > 4. Hanging-gale? (RENOLAN38@AOL.com) > 5. Re: Hanging-gale? (Gene Gribbin) > 6. Re: Hanging-gale? (Maribeth Nolan) > 7. Re: Hanging-gale? (Sharon Costello) > 8. Watters vs Beresford 1889- Round 3 . (michael purcell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:45:39 +0000 (GMT) > From: annagolan@eircom.net > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Ryan and Coady / Cody families St. Mullins > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <5663356.100571265031939859.JavaMail.root@webmailbox101.eircom.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > they may be related to me however!!!!!!!!!!!!! my aunt (through > marriage) was peggy ryan and her step dad was a coady but they were > more graiguenamanagh - try looking there > ----- irishmediaweb@eircom.net wrote: >> Hi Joann, >> >> Thank you very much for your kind reply, through Ancestery I know >> there are living relations, they have the guts of the family tree, I >> am very interested in any records from St. Mullins, especially any >> records pertaining to Pierce Ryan and Elizabeth Coady. >> >> I have to tell you the truth, I am not related to any of these >> people, >> but I am attending a genealogical degree course in UCD Dublin. I have >> been handed this project to try and find out the family of Pierce and >> Elizabeth. >> >> I know I can go into the NLI and check parish records, but if any >> records are online brilliant. >> >> The next parish records to go online on: >> >> www.irishgenealogy.ie >> >> Are Carlow and Cork >> >> They should be online before June, if you check Kerry and Dublin >> records, you will see the return they give, Dublin is still >> incomplete >> and some C of I Kerry records. >> >> Thank you again Joann >> >> Brendan >> ----- "Joann Taylor" <joannt@teleport.com> wrote: >>> Hi. >>> >>> I might be able to help guide you a bit. >>> >>> What specific details do you have from the Ohio branch? >>> >>> The brother and sister you are looking for in Ireland, have you >>> checked >>> the Irish Census' to see if they possibly stayed in Ireland? The >>> girl, >>> likely married and changed her name, so she would not necessarily be >> >>> listed as you expect. >>> >>> If you think either likely married in St. Mullins, you might be >> able >>> to >>> check the church records there, which I know they have transcribed - >> >>> that might give you a clue if the sister had a married name... >>> >>> The Ohio folks might be a good lead as there might be documents out >> >>> there - like obituaries - that list living relatives and where they >> >>> might be located at the time of the sibling's death. >>> There are some good Ohio records, so let me know what you have and I >> >>> might be able to point you to some others. >>> >>> Joann Malone Taylor >>> (of the Malone's of St. Mullins) >>> Now, of Portland, OR >>> >>> You can reach me at: joannt@teleport.com >> >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >> --------------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without >> the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Anna! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:15:27 +0000 > From: michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Beresford promoted !. > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <52e0b9671002010615yc251d74m3181afe361c69d07@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Commission dated 10th February 1887. (From the Carlow Sentinel) > The Right Honourable Arthur McMurrough Kavanagh, P.C. Lieutenant of > the > county of Carlow, has, with the approval of his Excellency the Lord > Lieutenant of Ireland, appointed Denis R. Pack-Beresford, Esq. of > Fenagh > Lodge to be a Deputy Lieutenant for that county. (From the Carlow > Sentinel). > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:29:01 +0000 > From: michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Watters vs Beresford - Round 3. > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <52e0b9671002010629y5fc61969hfd2708942a69160c@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > October 1889. (From a copybook / scrapbook in the PPP). > Mr Denis R. Pack-Beresford -" hanging -gale Beresford"- a young > man who > seems bent on perpetuating the evil traditions of his family- has made > himself most unpopular amongst the people of Carlow by his harsh > treatment > of the poor widow woman, Mrs Anne Watters of Kilcloney, Borris and now > another notice from "hanging-gale Beresford" makes clear his > intention to > take further law proceedings against his tenant, Mrs Watters, for > rent and > has duly been served upon her in the last few days legal notice by > Mr Thorp > of Bagenalstown. Two months ago this tenant had to lay down , in one > payment, the full amount of three half years rent and costs. We > know for > sure what is to follow now for Mrs Watters, who we should say had > better > look out again ! . > Mrs Watters effects have been seized by the sheriff year after > year. Those > who are in favour of fox hunting would do well to take note of > this , they > will see that this rackrenter's greedy desire has done more than > all the > others to work out its total extinction. > First and last "hanging-gale Beresford" has proved himself > destitute of > common decency or he would never have entered into a conflict with his > tenant for a paltry "hanging-gale" that accrued in the days of some > unknown > landlord long before his great grandfather was born. > One of the collectors for the Bagenalstown Races Fund having taken a > subscription from "hanging-gale Beresford" has returned the > subscription. > Now " hanging-gale Beresford" has informed his lofty friends and > sympathisers of his chagrin, and they are now asking that their > subscriptions be also returned. > Major Alexander, who had intended running a horse in a race, wrote > to say > "under no circumstances , would I give the Race Meeting my > support". We > congratulate the Bagenalstown Race Committee on having disassociated > themselves from the rackrenters and evictors of the County Carlow. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:12:02 EST > From: RENOLAN38@AOL.com > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Hanging-gale? > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <194f.158c0f04.38985752@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I find the copy concerning "Beresford" very interesting. Could > someone > tell me what "hanging-gale" means? > > > In a message dated 2/1/2010 9:34:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > carlowmike@gmail.com writes: > > October 1889. (From a copybook / scrapbook in the PPP). > Mr Denis R. Pack-Beresford -" hanging -gale Beresford"- a young > man who > seems bent on perpetuating the evil traditions of his family- has > made > himself most unpopular amongst the people of Carlow by his harsh > treatment > of the poor widow woman, Mrs Anne Watters of Kilcloney, Borris and > now > another notice from "hanging-gale Beresford" makes clear his > intention > to > take further law proceedings against his tenant, Mrs Watters, for > rent and > has duly been served upon her in the last few days legal notice by > Mr Thorp > of Bagenalstown. Two months ago this tenant had to lay down , in one > payment, the full amount of three half years rent and costs. We > know for > sure what is to follow now for Mrs Watters, who we should say had > better > look out again ! . > Mrs Watters effects have been seized by the sheriff year after > year. Those > who are in favour of fox hunting would do well to take note of > this , they > will see that this rackrenter's greedy desire has done more than > all the > others to work out its total extinction. > First and last "hanging-gale Beresford" has proved himself > destitute of > common decency or he would never have entered into a conflict with > his > tenant for a paltry "hanging-gale" that accrued in the days of > some unknown > landlord long before his great grandfather was born. > One of the collectors for the Bagenalstown Races Fund having taken a > subscription from "hanging-gale Beresford" has returned the > subscription. > Now " hanging-gale Beresford" has informed his lofty friends and > sympathisers of his chagrin, and they are now asking that their > subscriptions be also returned. > Major Alexander, who had intended running a horse in a race, > wrote to say > "under no circumstances , would I give the Race Meeting my > support". We > congratulate the Bagenalstown Race Committee on having disassociated > themselves from the rackrenters and evictors of the County Carlow. > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without > the quotes) in the > Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:04:38 -0600 > From: Gene Gribbin <ggribbin@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Hanging-gale? > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4B6709A6.4040801@verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > See the following article for an exclamation. > http://edwardianpromenade.com/politics/irish-home-rule/ > > Gene > > RENOLAN38@aol.com wrote: >> I find the copy concerning "Beresford" very interesting. Could >> someone >> tell me what "hanging-gale" means? >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:20:36 -0500 > From: "Maribeth Nolan" <nolanme@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Hanging-gale? > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B408994EF0E641E5958D944AE4B9A169@MaribethPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Fascinating...thanks Gene! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gene Gribbin > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Hanging-gale? > > > See the following article for an exclamation. > http://edwardianpromenade.com/politics/irish-home-rule/ > > Gene > > RENOLAN38@aol.com wrote: >> I find the copy concerning "Beresford" very interesting. Could >> someone >> tell me what "hanging-gale" means? >> >> >> >> > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- > CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:33:52 -0800 (PST) > From: Sharon Costello <sa.costello@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Hanging-gale? > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <134460.99549.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Looks like there was also a movie called "Hanging Gale" about a > family struggling during the famine. > > --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Maribeth Nolan <nolanme@verizon.net> wrote: > > From: Maribeth Nolan <nolanme@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Hanging-gale? > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 10:20 AM > > Fascinating...thanks Gene! > ? ----- Original Message ----- > ? From: Gene Gribbin > ? To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > ? Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:04 PM > ? Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Hanging-gale? > > > ? See the following article for an exclamation. > ? http://edwardianpromenade.com/politics/irish-home-rule/ > > ? Gene > > ? RENOLAN38@aol.com wrote: > ? > I find the copy concerning "Beresford" very interesting.? > Could? someone > ? > tell me what "hanging-gale" means? > ? >? > ? >? > ? > > ? >??? > ? ======================================= > ? Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > ? --------------------------------------- > ? To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- > CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com? with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ? ------------------------------- > ? 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No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:16:59 +0000 > From: michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Watters vs Beresford 1889- Round 3 . > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <52e0b9671002010616m78e49165n30d40787af1a388d@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > October 1889. (From a copybook / scrapbook in the PPP). > Mr Denis R. Pack-Beresford -" hanging -gale Beresford"- a young > man who > seems bent on perpetuating the evil traditions of his family- has made > himself most unpopular amongst the people of Carlow by his harsh > treatment > of the poor widow woman, Mrs Anne Watters of Kilcloney, Borris and now > another notice from "hanging-gale Beresford" makes clear his > intention to > take further law proceedings against his tenant, Mrs Watters, for > rent and > has duly been served upon her in the last few days legal notice by > Mr Thorp > of Bagenalstown. Two months ago this tenant had to lay down , in one > payment, the full amount of three half years rent and costs. We > know for > sure what is to follow now for Mrs Watters, who we should say had > better > look out again ! . > Mrs Watters effects have been seized by the sheriff year after > year. Those > who are in favour of fox hunting would do well to take note of > this , they > will see that this rackrenter's greedy desire has done more than > all the > others to work out its total extinction. > First and last "hanging-gale Beresford" has proved himself > destitute of > common decency or he would never have entered into a conflict with his > tenant for a paltry "hanging-gale" that accrued in the days of some > unknown > landlord long before his great grandfather was born. > One of the collectors for the Bagenalstown Races Fund having taken a > subscription from "hanging-gale Beresford" has returned the > subscription. > Now " hanging-gale Beresford" has informed his lofty friends and > sympathisers of his chagrin, and they are now asking that their > subscriptions be also returned. > Major Alexander, who had intended running a horse in a race, wrote > to say > "under no circumstances , would he give the Race Meeting his > support". We > congratulate the Bagenalstown Race Committee on having disassociated > themselves from the rackrenters and evictors of the County Carlow. > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-CARLOW list administrator, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- > request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 5, Issue 79 > ***************************************** > >

December 1889 . Irish National League meetings discussing the Beresford vs Watters events. Ballon and Rathoe Branch; Monthly meeting. The secretary noted 54 men from Ballon and 3 from Rathoe in attendance. He recorded that "the inclemency of the weather accounted for the numerical inferiority of the deputation from Rathoe". A letter was read from the Borris Branch relative to the monstrous behaviour of Mr Pack-Beresford of hanging-gale notoriety, towards a tenant of his named Mrs Watters. The principal feature of the letter was a resolution which the Ballon / Rathoe branch was asked to adopt, to stop Mr Beresford from hunting with the Carlow hounds. One member pointed out that they could not stop him hunting as he is in the habit of riding on the roads. Mr Hanlon, said that he did not approve of this method of stopping hunting. After further conversation the meeting unanimously adopted the resolution and directed the secretary o communicate their intentions to Mr Robert Watson, the Master of the hounds. Carlow town , Tinryland and Bennekerry Branch. Meeting held in Town Hall. A resolution was read from Borris condemning the treatment which Mrs Waters had been subjected to by the landlord, Mr Beresford, and expressed the opinion that the farmers ought, in self-respect and to show their sympathy by preventing Beresford from hunting over their lands. The Chairman, Mr John Kelly, said that it was for the farmers to decide if they would permit this objectionable person to hunt over their lands. Bagenalstown Branch; Following a lengthened debate the following resolution was passed . We call upon Mr Beresford to reconsider his harsh treatment of Mr Michael Waters and his mother and ask him " to put Mr Waters on an equality with the other tenants on the estate, failing to do this we ask the tenant farmers to mark their disapproval of his treatment by preventing him from hunting over their lands".. Tullow Branch; The meeting was requested by the Borris branch to oppose the tyrannous treatment of Mr Michael Waters , who was one of their members. James Murphy said that the Beresfords are the sorest and bitterest landlords in the county Carlow. The Chairman, Mr Thomas Bolger, asked if anyone could enlighten them as to the merits of this case. He said that he was inclined to question anything that comes from Borris as the people of that place have been very unreliable in the past and he was reluctant to stop Mr Beresford from hunting over his lands. Mr Michael Murphy from Roscat told the meeting that the hounds of the hunt had chased a pony of his across a wire fence, causing such injuries to the animal as caused its death in a short time. He sought compensation from Mr Watson who directed him to Mr Hardy Eustace who told him that the huntsman was irresponsible for every and all damages whilst engaged in the chase. The Chairman stated that in his opinion the hunt was eminently calculated to develop both muscle and daring ; "and we know that some of the most daring officers the patriot armies of Ireland ever produced got their training in the hunting field, albeit the majority of modern foxhunters would sooner be considered West Britons". The secretary was directed to write to Borris to suggest a county convention on the subject. Newtown Branch; The meeting after lengthened consideration of a Resolution from Borris to stop Mr Beresford from hunting over the land in the area, and of which he is the main landlord, decided to allow the matter to stand over until the next meeting, the secretary , John D. McGrath, having reason to believe that the dispute is about to be settled.

Wow...I don't know where to begin! This is all fascinating and will take me a while to figure out. Roger, I appreciate so much your taking the time to help me with your insights and information. Thank you, thank you...I will keep in touch offline on facts I uncover so you can update the Nolan family pages! ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Nowlan To: IRL-CARLOW-L@rootsweb. com Cc: Maribeth Nolan Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Maribeth's family-NOWLAN/NOLAN-HAYES-WHELAN-SHORTALL-BROUGHAN-CODEY Maribeth, In doing some family research this morning, as often happens, something catches my eye and I think that I may have found the grandparents of your Thomas Nolan born in 1846. In earlier notes you mentioned that the parents of your ancestor Thomas Nolan were a Michael Nolan and a "Julia Hayes". There also seemed to be some uncertainty about Thomas' mother being named Julia or Judith. However, for any of the following to make sense I must relate some of my own experience in researching my family In Canada, my ancestor "Peter Nowland", when he married gave his parents' names as "James Nowland" and "Mary Glory" (sic Clowry) of "Karlow". Through a search done by a genealogist in Ireland (before my time) it was determined that the pair in question were "James Nowlan" and "Mary Clory" (sic Clowry) of Ballon-Rathoe parish who had married there in 1793. From the written marriage record it was further established that Mary had been a Clowry widow, born a Shortall. A further search revealed that she had married a James Clowry in 1784. The key point here is that the last name for Mary in 1793, when she married my ancestor James, was that of her first husband. This too could have been the case for your ancestor Judith. It could be that when your ancestor Thomas was born in 1846 the family name for the mother was recorded as that of her first husband, let's say a John Hayes who lived in the Kiltegan area of Co. Wicklow. Her maiden name may actually have been Whelan as will soon become evident. Regarding the uncertainty about the first name of Thomas' mother, I believe that this may relate to the fact that there were two Michael's in the family, one the father and the other the son, but both with similar first names for their spouses i.e. Judith and Julia. Following this line of thinking we see that the Michael and Judith recorded in the following Rathvilly parish baptismal record may actually have been your Thomas' grandparents. (1)Record#1 Baptism of Michael 11/12.1804 , son of Michael and Judith Nolan --Tynock. [RN: This establishes the presence of a Michael & Judith Nolan in the Kiltegan area, across the border in Co. Carlow, but still close to Kiltegan] Now for my new insights/discoveries : (2) Record#2 given below establishes a link between a Judith Whelan and the Nowlan family (3) Record#3 given below establishes that a "Michael Nowlan" and "Judith Whalen" had a daughter Catherine who married in Quebec, near Quebec city, in 1847. [RN: I believe that this is the same couple Michael & Judith as in record#1] (4) Record#4 given below establishes that, in 1847, a "Judith Whalen" from the Kiltegan area went to America, after which she did not communicate with her brothers and sisters. A cousin, William Codey of Albany (Wild Bill??), was looking for her in 1861. [RN: This may have been the the same Judith Whalen as in record#1] (5) Record#5 (earlier from Maribeth) 1851/52 Griffiths Valuation: Parish of Killeshin: Town of Graigue *A Judith Nolan was leasing a house(s) at 30/31 Springhill. There was also an Anne Nolan living at 33b Springhill [RN: Anne is presumed to have been a sister-in-law of Judith. Judith is presumed to have shared the tenement with her son Michael, his wife Julia and their son Thomas; the in-laws may have had a hard time distinguishing between Judith and Julia and falsely recorded her name on her tombstone. I believe that the "Julia", wife of a Michael, who died in 186? was actually "Judith".] A strawman family tree which emerges is as follows: Michael Nolan (c1800-1878) + Judith Whelan (c1800-186?) > Thomas Nolan of Graigue > Michael Nolan + Julia Hayes >> Thomas Nolan (1846) + Agnes King >>> John James > Ann > Matthew [Maribeth: Note the two "Michael >Thomas" father-son relationships; this may have been the source of your confusion. You may have previously skipped a generation, thinking in terms of only one Michael not two!] I will leave you to crosscheck my theories with any other information you may have about your Nolan family and comment on any apparent inconsistences. You are also free to follow up on any leads suggested by the new records (#2 to #4 given below). Bye for now, Roger Nowlan http://nolanfamilies.org ******************************* P.S. As if that wasn't enough, here is yet another insight but this one requires further research. It relates to the Broughan family which appears in the Canadian marriage record for Catherine, a presumed daughter of Judith Nolan of Graigue in 1851/52 (record#4 mentioned earlier & given below). The Broughan family married into the Nowlan/Nolan family in the Ballon area as attested by the following tombstone inscription found in the Templepeter cemetery and for which I have more information: " Erected by Edward Broughan Snr in memory of his uncle Edward Nowlan Ballybromill who departed this life 5th of Dec 1887 aged 85 years Also his wife Elizabeth née Rafter who predeceased him. " The possible link to Ballon Village area brings up the possibility that Michael and Judith may have had a family link in the area. In fact they have been the same couple that was living (pre-1798) on the Ballinvalley townland just south of Ballon Village who had a son named Hugh baptized in 1795: 1795/03/00 Hugh Nowlan parents: Michael & Judith Nowlan godparents: Bryan & Ann O'Brien [RN: In the Nolan book, Ann Nowlan married to Bryan O'Brien is identified as the daughter of John "The Poet" of Ballinvalley] ************************************************************ RECORDS for further analysis (2) 1847-January-3, Arles: "Judith Whelan" as baptismal sponsor Baptism in Arles - Arl 273 1847 Jan 3 Mary Patt Shortal Cathr Nowlan Michael Mahon Judith Whelan B. linan (RN: ?? Ballylinan, Co. Carlow, near Co. Laois) (3) 1847-49: "Judith Whelan" of Kiltegan, Co. Wicklow, goes to America Missing Person's Advertisement [RN: Ad placed in Boston Pilot in 1861] MISSING PERSON'S INFORMATION Name: Judith Whelan Gender: Female Description: Brothers=Edw,Pat,James,Edw; Sisters=El,Br Home County: Wicklow Parish: Kiltegan Townland: Rathdangan,Kilamote Barony: Talbotstown Upper Poor-Law: Baltinglass Departure date: Arrival date: 47/49 SEEKING PERSON'S INFORMATION Name: William Codey Relation to missing: Cousin Residence: NY, Albany,34 Vanwoerth St. Date of advertisement:11-16-1861 Contact name: Tallon,Michael=Co Contact address: NY, Albany,34 Vanwoerth (4) 1847-March-2, near Quebec city: Daughter of "Judith Whalen" marries Marriage St-Gilles (St-Gilles-de-Beaurivage; across river from Quebec city) Catholique 2 mar-1847 William Broyan [RN: sic Broughan] adult s/o Thomas Broyan & Catherine also of [St. Ferdinand de] Halifax m. Catherine Nowlan adult d/o Michael Nowlan & Judith Whalen of [St. Ferdinand de] Halifax witnesses: James Clarik?, Basile Roy, Patrick McGerry & Thomas Sheridan

Hi Roger, Have you made a study of the 98 Rebellion in Carlow? I read your email with much interest. Were the leaders and men of the United Irishmen also issued with bayonets or swords? There was a bayonet belonging to a family ancestor in our Carlow family and inscribed by Read & Co. in Dublin - referred to as a Volunteers bayonet - just curious... He had been a yeoman officer before the rebellion but fought with the Volunteers. dot ----- "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> wrote: > Denny, > > Being Canadian, I am no expert on Irish history but, for those like > Denny > who may be wondering about "protection" and "pikes" here is my take on > the > historical context. > > In 1798, buoyed by the recent success of Independence movements in > America > (1776) and in France, there was also a Rebellion of sorts in Ireland, > > commonly referred to as the "Rebellion of 1798". County carlow was > particularly hard hit although most of the military action seems to > have > been concentrated in Co. Wexford (Battle of Vinegar Hill, etc.). The > French > even made a landing in northwestern Ireland. > > To make a long story short the Rebellion failed and most of the United > > Irishmen were only equipped with "pikes" (a lance of sort carried by > people > on foot). The bearing of arms in Ireland had been strictly controlled > in > Ireland and very few of the common folk had firearms, hence the > appearance > of "pikes" on the scene, usually made by local blacksmiths. > > In Carlow, on an appointed day, all the "United Irishmen" (members of > a > secret Irish society, Catholics AND Protestants) and their leaders, > many of > them former yoeman (a sort of military policeman), converged on Carlow > town > to take the town from the military (there was also attack on Borris if > my > memory serves me right). The attack was to be a surprise but somehow > the > military were alerted beforehand and, again, to make a long story > short, > many of the United Irishmen were killed or trapped in burning > buildings. > Those who survived were offered "protection" from prosecution if they > > provided information, if my understanding is correct, usually the > names of > other United Irishmen e.g. who their captain was. > > In the end, I believe that many of the survivors were granted an > amnesty. > > However, for the first few years following 1798, there seems to have > been > reprisals from both sides, a sort of settling of scores "outside the > law". > Those who took part in such actions (beatings, house burnings, etc.) > were > also called rebels. In my own family research I have identified I > believe > someone who died during this period. He is generally known to history > as > "Farmer Clowry" who was shot while working in his field. His > tombstone in > the Kellistown cemetery gives his year of death as 1800. His first > name was > Darby (Jeremiah) and his widow, Anne, applied for and received a > Government > pension around 1804 (source: Early Parliamentary papers of Ireland). > My > Canadian ancestor's mother was previously married to a James Clowry > who > lived in the same area as Farmer Clowry. > > I wanted to keep it short but there you have it. If anyone wants to > add > clarifications or make corrections jump in. > However, I think that most people want to turn the page on this sad > period > in Irish history. > > Bye for now, > > Roger Nowlan > > ****************** > http://nolanfamilies.org > ****************** > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <guscarroll@comcast.net> > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan > > > > > > > > Interogative; I'm not sure what is being asked in the emails where > they > > are asking for "Protection". Are they trying to escape some charges > > > account of owning the pikes? I missed something some where and I'm > not > > sure of the context. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Denny Carroll > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> > > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:27:18 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > Pacific > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan > > > > (my mistake > > , there were "Nolans" recorded. J.C.) > > here is James Nolan seeking a Protection recorded in Journal of > Dudley > > Hill, > > James gives very little information !. > > Seeking Protection: > > James Nolan, of Ballon, Labourer, had a pike. > > ======================================= > > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > > --------------------------------------- > > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without > the > > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ======================================= > > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > > --------------------------------------- > > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without > the > > quotes) in the Subject box. 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Maribeth, In doing some family research this morning, as often happens, something catches my eye and I think that I may have found the grandparents of your Thomas Nolan born in 1846. In earlier notes you mentioned that the parents of your ancestor Thomas Nolan were a Michael Nolan and a "Julia Hayes". There also seemed to be some uncertainty about Thomas' mother being named Julia or Judith. However, for any of the following to make sense I must relate some of my own experience in researching my family In Canada, my ancestor "Peter Nowland", when he married gave his parents' names as "James Nowland" and "Mary Glory" (sic Clowry) of "Karlow". Through a search done by a genealogist in Ireland (before my time) it was determined that the pair in question were "James Nowlan" and "Mary Clory" (sic Clowry) of Ballon-Rathoe parish who had married there in 1793. From the written marriage record it was further established that Mary had been a Clowry widow, born a Shortall. A further search revealed that she had married a James Clowry in 1784. The key point here is that the last name for Mary in 1793, when she married my ancestor James, was that of her first husband. This too could have been the case for your ancestor Judith. It could be that when your ancestor Thomas was born in 1846 the family name for the mother was recorded as that of her first husband, let's say a John Hayes who lived in the Kiltegan area of Co. Wicklow. Her maiden name may actually have been Whelan as will soon become evident. Regarding the uncertainty about the first name of Thomas' mother, I believe that this may relate to the fact that there were two Michael's in the family, one the father and the other the son, but both with similar first names for their spouses i.e. Judith and Julia. Following this line of thinking we see that the Michael and Judith recorded in the following Rathvilly parish baptismal record may actually have been your Thomas' grandparents. (1)Record#1 Baptism of Michael 11/12.1804 , son of Michael and Judith Nolan --Tynock. [RN: This establishes the presence of a Michael & Judith Nolan in the Kiltegan area, across the border in Co. Carlow, but still close to Kiltegan] Now for my new insights/discoveries : (2) Record#2 given below establishes a link between a Judith Whelan and the Nowlan family (3) Record#3 given below establishes that a "Michael Nowlan" and "Judith Whalen" had a daughter Catherine who married in Quebec, near Quebec city, in 1847. [RN: I believe that this is the same couple Michael & Judith as in record#1] (4) Record#4 given below establishes that, in 1847, a "Judith Whalen" from the Kiltegan area went to America, after which she did not communicate with her brothers and sisters. A cousin, William Codey of Albany (Wild Bill??), was looking for her in 1861. [RN: This may have been the the same Judith Whalen as in record#1] (5) Record#5 (earlier from Maribeth) 1851/52 Griffiths Valuation: Parish of Killeshin: Town of Graigue *A Judith Nolan was leasing a house(s) at 30/31 Springhill. There was also an Anne Nolan living at 33b Springhill [RN: Anne is presumed to have been a sister-in-law of Judith. Judith is presumed to have shared the tenement with her son Michael, his wife Julia and their son Thomas; the in-laws may have had a hard time distinguishing between Judith and Julia and falsely recorded her name on her tombstone. I believe that the "Julia", wife of a Michael, who died in 186? was actually "Judith".] A strawman family tree which emerges is as follows: Michael Nolan (c1800-1878) + Judith Whelan (c1800-186?) > Thomas Nolan of Graigue > Michael Nolan + Julia Hayes >> Thomas Nolan (1846) + Agnes King >>> John James > Ann > Matthew [Maribeth: Note the two "Michael >Thomas" father-son relationships; this may have been the source of your confusion. You may have previously skipped a generation, thinking in terms of only one Michael not two!] I will leave you to crosscheck my theories with any other information you may have about your Nolan family and comment on any apparent inconsistences. You are also free to follow up on any leads suggested by the new records (#2 to #4 given below). Bye for now, Roger Nowlan http://nolanfamilies.org ******************************* P.S. As if that wasn't enough, here is yet another insight but this one requires further research. It relates to the Broughan family which appears in the Canadian marriage record for Catherine, a presumed daughter of Judith Nolan of Graigue in 1851/52 (record#4 mentioned earlier & given below). The Broughan family married into the Nowlan/Nolan family in the Ballon area as attested by the following tombstone inscription found in the Templepeter cemetery and for which I have more information: " Erected by Edward Broughan Snr in memory of his uncle Edward Nowlan Ballybromill who departed this life 5th of Dec 1887 aged 85 years Also his wife Elizabeth née Rafter who predeceased him. " The possible link to Ballon Village area brings up the possibility that Michael and Judith may have had a family link in the area. In fact they have been the same couple that was living (pre-1798) on the Ballinvalley townland just south of Ballon Village who had a son named Hugh baptized in 1795: 1795/03/00 Hugh Nowlan parents: Michael & Judith Nowlan godparents: Bryan & Ann O'Brien [RN: In the Nolan book, Ann Nowlan married to Bryan O'Brien is identified as the daughter of John "The Poet" of Ballinvalley] ************************************************************ RECORDS for further analysis (2) 1847-January-3, Arles: "Judith Whelan" as baptismal sponsor Baptism in Arles - Arl 273 1847 Jan 3 Mary Patt Shortal Cathr Nowlan Michael Mahon Judith Whelan B. linan (RN: ?? Ballylinan, Co. Carlow, near Co. Laois) (3) 1847-49: "Judith Whelan" of Kiltegan, Co. Wicklow, goes to America Missing Person's Advertisement [RN: Ad placed in Boston Pilot in 1861] MISSING PERSON'S INFORMATION Name: Judith Whelan Gender: Female Description: Brothers=Edw,Pat,James,Edw; Sisters=El,Br Home County: Wicklow Parish: Kiltegan Townland: Rathdangan,Kilamote Barony: Talbotstown Upper Poor-Law: Baltinglass Departure date: Arrival date: 47/49 SEEKING PERSON'S INFORMATION Name: William Codey Relation to missing: Cousin Residence: NY, Albany,34 Vanwoerth St. Date of advertisement:11-16-1861 Contact name: Tallon,Michael=Co Contact address: NY, Albany,34 Vanwoerth (4) 1847-March-2, near Quebec city: Daughter of "Judith Whalen" marries Marriage St-Gilles (St-Gilles-de-Beaurivage; across river from Quebec city) Catholique 2 mar-1847 William Broyan [RN: sic Broughan] adult s/o Thomas Broyan & Catherine also of [St. Ferdinand de] Halifax m. Catherine Nowlan adult d/o Michael Nowlan & Judith Whalen of [St. Ferdinand de] Halifax witnesses: James Clarik?, Basile Roy, Patrick McGerry & Thomas Sheridan

Thank you Gene. That was very informative. As an American I am not conversant with Irish or English history other than a general overview. Bob In a message dated 2/1/2010 12:05:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ggribbin@verizon.net writes: See the following article for an exclamation. http://edwardianpromenade.com/politics/irish-home-rule/ Gene RENOLAN38@aol.com wrote: > I find the copy concerning "Beresford" very interesting. Could someone > tell me what "hanging-gale" means? > > > > ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

October 1889. (From a copybook / scrapbook in the PPP). Mr Denis R. Pack-Beresford -" hanging -gale Beresford"- a young man who seems bent on perpetuating the evil traditions of his family- has made himself most unpopular amongst the people of Carlow by his harsh treatment of the poor widow woman, Mrs Anne Watters of Kilcloney, Borris and now another notice from "hanging-gale Beresford" makes clear his intention to take further law proceedings against his tenant, Mrs Watters, for rent and has duly been served upon her in the last few days legal notice by Mr Thorp of Bagenalstown. Two months ago this tenant had to lay down , in one payment, the full amount of three half years rent and costs. We know for sure what is to follow now for Mrs Watters, who we should say had better look out again ! . Mrs Watters effects have been seized by the sheriff year after year. Those who are in favour of fox hunting would do well to take note of this , they will see that this rackrenter's greedy desire has done more than all the others to work out its total extinction. First and last "hanging-gale Beresford" has proved himself destitute of common decency or he would never have entered into a conflict with his tenant for a paltry "hanging-gale" that accrued in the days of some unknown landlord long before his great grandfather was born. One of the collectors for the Bagenalstown Races Fund having taken a subscription from "hanging-gale Beresford" has returned the subscription. Now " hanging-gale Beresford" has informed his lofty friends and sympathisers of his chagrin, and they are now asking that their subscriptions be also returned. Major Alexander, who had intended running a horse in a race, wrote to say "under no circumstances , would I give the Race Meeting my support". We congratulate the Bagenalstown Race Committee on having disassociated themselves from the rackrenters and evictors of the County Carlow.

October 1889. (From a copybook / scrapbook in the PPP). Mr Denis R. Pack-Beresford -" hanging -gale Beresford"- a young man who seems bent on perpetuating the evil traditions of his family- has made himself most unpopular amongst the people of Carlow by his harsh treatment of the poor widow woman, Mrs Anne Watters of Kilcloney, Borris and now another notice from "hanging-gale Beresford" makes clear his intention to take further law proceedings against his tenant, Mrs Watters, for rent and has duly been served upon her in the last few days legal notice by Mr Thorp of Bagenalstown. Two months ago this tenant had to lay down , in one payment, the full amount of three half years rent and costs. We know for sure what is to follow now for Mrs Watters, who we should say had better look out again ! . Mrs Watters effects have been seized by the sheriff year after year. Those who are in favour of fox hunting would do well to take note of this , they will see that this rackrenter's greedy desire has done more than all the others to work out its total extinction. First and last "hanging-gale Beresford" has proved himself destitute of common decency or he would never have entered into a conflict with his tenant for a paltry "hanging-gale" that accrued in the days of some unknown landlord long before his great grandfather was born. One of the collectors for the Bagenalstown Races Fund having taken a subscription from "hanging-gale Beresford" has returned the subscription. Now " hanging-gale Beresford" has informed his lofty friends and sympathisers of his chagrin, and they are now asking that their subscriptions be also returned. Major Alexander, who had intended running a horse in a race, wrote to say "under no circumstances , would he give the Race Meeting his support". We congratulate the Bagenalstown Race Committee on having disassociated themselves from the rackrenters and evictors of the County Carlow.

Commission dated 10th February 1887. (From the Carlow Sentinel) The Right Honourable Arthur McMurrough Kavanagh, P.C. Lieutenant of the county of Carlow, has, with the approval of his Excellency the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, appointed Denis R. Pack-Beresford, Esq. of Fenagh Lodge to be a Deputy Lieutenant for that county. (From the Carlow Sentinel).

they may be related to me however!!!!!!!!!!!!! my aunt (through marriage) was peggy ryan and her step dad was a coady but they were more graiguenamanagh - try looking there ----- irishmediaweb@eircom.net wrote: > Hi Joann, > > Thank you very much for your kind reply, through Ancestery I know > there are living relations, they have the guts of the family tree, I > am very interested in any records from St. Mullins, especially any > records pertaining to Pierce Ryan and Elizabeth Coady. > > I have to tell you the truth, I am not related to any of these people, > but I am attending a genealogical degree course in UCD Dublin. I have > been handed this project to try and find out the family of Pierce and > Elizabeth. > > I know I can go into the NLI and check parish records, but if any > records are online brilliant. > > The next parish records to go online on: > > www.irishgenealogy.ie > > Are Carlow and Cork > > They should be online before June, if you check Kerry and Dublin > records, you will see the return they give, Dublin is still incomplete > and some C of I Kerry records. > > Thank you again Joann > > Brendan > ----- "Joann Taylor" <joannt@teleport.com> wrote: > > Hi. > > > > I might be able to help guide you a bit. > > > > What specific details do you have from the Ohio branch? > > > > The brother and sister you are looking for in Ireland, have you > > checked > > the Irish Census' to see if they possibly stayed in Ireland? The > > girl, > > likely married and changed her name, so she would not necessarily be > > > listed as you expect. > > > > If you think either likely married in St. Mullins, you might be > able > > to > > check the church records there, which I know they have transcribed - > > > that might give you a clue if the sister had a married name... > > > > The Ohio folks might be a good lead as there might be documents out > > > there - like obituaries - that list living relatives and where they > > > might be located at the time of the sibling's death. > > There are some good Ohio records, so let me know what you have and I > > > might be able to point you to some others. > > > > Joann Malone Taylor > > (of the Malone's of St. Mullins) > > Now, of Portland, OR > > > > You can reach me at: joannt@teleport.com > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without > the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Anna!

Fascinating...thanks Gene! ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Gribbin To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Hanging-gale? See the following article for an exclamation. http://edwardianpromenade.com/politics/irish-home-rule/ Gene RENOLAN38@aol.com wrote: > I find the copy concerning "Beresford" very interesting. Could someone > tell me what "hanging-gale" means? > > > > ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I find the copy concerning "Beresford" very interesting. Could someone tell me what "hanging-gale" means? In a message dated 2/1/2010 9:34:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, carlowmike@gmail.com writes: October 1889. (From a copybook / scrapbook in the PPP). Mr Denis R. Pack-Beresford -" hanging -gale Beresford"- a young man who seems bent on perpetuating the evil traditions of his family- has made himself most unpopular amongst the people of Carlow by his harsh treatment of the poor widow woman, Mrs Anne Watters of Kilcloney, Borris and now another notice from "hanging-gale Beresford" makes clear his intention to take further law proceedings against his tenant, Mrs Watters, for rent and has duly been served upon her in the last few days legal notice by Mr Thorp of Bagenalstown. Two months ago this tenant had to lay down , in one payment, the full amount of three half years rent and costs. We know for sure what is to follow now for Mrs Watters, who we should say had better look out again ! . Mrs Watters effects have been seized by the sheriff year after year. Those who are in favour of fox hunting would do well to take note of this , they will see that this rackrenter's greedy desire has done more than all the others to work out its total extinction. First and last "hanging-gale Beresford" has proved himself destitute of common decency or he would never have entered into a conflict with his tenant for a paltry "hanging-gale" that accrued in the days of some unknown landlord long before his great grandfather was born. One of the collectors for the Bagenalstown Races Fund having taken a subscription from "hanging-gale Beresford" has returned the subscription. Now " hanging-gale Beresford" has informed his lofty friends and sympathisers of his chagrin, and they are now asking that their subscriptions be also returned. Major Alexander, who had intended running a horse in a race, wrote to say "under no circumstances , would I give the Race Meeting my support". We congratulate the Bagenalstown Race Committee on having disassociated themselves from the rackrenters and evictors of the County Carlow. ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

See the following article for an exclamation. http://edwardianpromenade.com/politics/irish-home-rule/ Gene RENOLAN38@aol.com wrote: > I find the copy concerning "Beresford" very interesting. Could someone > tell me what "hanging-gale" means? > > > >

Looks like there was also a movie called "Hanging Gale" about a family struggling during the famine. --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Maribeth Nolan <nolanme@verizon.net> wrote: From: Maribeth Nolan <nolanme@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Hanging-gale? To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 10:20 AM Fascinating...thanks Gene!   ----- Original Message -----   From: Gene Gribbin   To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com   Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:04 PM   Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Hanging-gale?   See the following article for an exclamation.   http://edwardianpromenade.com/politics/irish-home-rule/   Gene   RENOLAN38@aol.com wrote:   > I find the copy concerning "Beresford" very interesting.  Could  someone   > tell me what "hanging-gale" means?   >    >    >   >      =======================================   Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE!   ---------------------------------------   To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com  with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required.   -------------------------------   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com  with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In Griffiths Valuations, my ancestor Bartholomew WATTERS (spelled Waters in Griffiths) had a farm of about 105 acres at Tinryland for which the immediate lessor is shown as Viscount BERESFORD. Was that the same Beresford as in these articles? To the best of my knowledge, my Bartholomew was not connected to Anne Watters. Bill. -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael purcell Sent: Sunday, 31 January 2010 10:52 PM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Watters vs Beresford - Round 2. 1886. Landlordism in Borris. ( surname now Watters ) On Monday last Mr Jameson, Sub-Sheriff of Carlow, accompanied by a force of twelve police under the command of Sub-Inspector Joy, proceeded to Borris to sell a horse the property of Mrs Anne Watters of Kilcloney, which had been previously seized. The seizure was made to realise a sum of 10 pounds which at the request of the landlord R.W. Pack-Beresford granted at the Courthouse, Carlow. The history of Mrs Watters' persecution by the landlord ever since she dared to go into the land court to have a fair rent fixed is extraordinary, and shows an insane desire by the landlord to ruin a respectable, industrious tenant. . In the year 1884 Mrs Watters had a fair rent fixed on her farm. In 1885 Mrs Watters offered the half year's rent due but it was refused by the agent Mr Fitzherbert of Abbeyleix and payment was demanded of the old hanging gale which had been running on the farm for upwards of 200 years. Mrs Watters and her son Michael refused to yield to this unjust demand, and in the month of April their cattle were seized and sold by the sheriff. In 1886 a year's rent was again demanded and the tenant refused to pay that amount on account of the hanging-gale which had been extorted. Legal proceedings were again taken and the interest in the farm was put up for sale in March of this present year. The farm was bought in for the tenant by another person and a years rent paid to the sheriff. The sheriff's costs amounted to 10 pounds to recover this cost a horse was seized on the understanding that it would be sold at a sale in Borris. The horse, which is a fine animal, was ridden by a boy into Borris. Both horse and boy were profusely decorated with green ribbons. Immediately behind the horse was led a donkey bearing on his back a grotesque figure dressed in full hunting costume. The figure was designed to typify lardlordism but many said the the makers of the figure were too flattering to that group. The rider of the horse and his queer-looking companion were met outside the town by the Borris Brass Band and escorted up and down the street. Meanwhile news was received that the sheriff and auctioneer , Mr George Wilson, had decided to sell the horse at a sale to be held on the farm at Kilcloney . On hearing this Rev. W.P.Bourke and Michael Watters and a large crowd proceeded to Kilcloney to demand that the sale be held in Borris. The sale was then cancelled. The gathering was then addressed by Rev. W.P.Bourke who was received with cheers. He said that he had been out all morning although he was suffering from a severe cold. He said that Beresford was only hurting himself by making such an unjust demand for a hanging gale that was not called for for 40 or 50 years. before. All opposition must be directed against "Hanging-gale Beresford" he declared. Mr P. Murphy proposed thanks to Mrs Anne Watters and her son Michael for having so courageously, now for the third time , faced the greedy landlord "Hanging-gale Pack-Beresford". Mr J.C. Breen said the name Pack-Beresford sounded bad and if ever a name stunk in the nostrils of any right thinking Irishman it was the name of Pack-Beresford for he had attempted to sell out Mrs Watters farm and make her family quit the country. Michael Watters then addressed the meeting , he thanked all present for their support and the countrymen in America and Australia who were sending over large sums of money to the National League to support the downtrodden for victory. If there was one spot more than another in all Ireland where the people should be united for the overthrow of landlordism it should be in Carlow.There is not a place in Ireland that has suffered so much from landlords. It was here that the saddest scenes ever witnessed were made manifest. They could all recall the days of Charley Doyne who spread desolation over the entire country, he drove thousands of souls out without a home or shelter. From the hillsides of the White Mountains, to St. Mullins and Marley and through Slyguff and Kilcloney. Today we have another Charley --Mr Charley Thorpe to do the landlords dirty work.. The meeting then broke up but before doing so they dragged the "landlord effigy" from the donkey and after being deluged with paraffin oil was set fire to and reduced to ashes. Next installment " Watters vs Beresford - Round 3" ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes the same man ..all I was missing was the year of his death .....1881. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Michael Brennan <mjbrennan@blueyonder.co.uk > wrote: > Mick / Turtle > > I have the following on the death of Denis William Pack-Beresford: > > Denis William Pack-Beresford was born on 7 July 1818. He is the son of > Maj.-Gen. Sir Denis Pack and Lady Elizabeth Louisa Beresford. He married > Annette Caroline Browne, daughter of Robert Clayton Browne and Harriette > Augusta Hamilton, on 12 February 1863. He died on 28 December 1881 at age > 63. > > The 28th Dec 1881 was a Wednesday! > > There is no mention of the name Patrick in Hugh Montgomery-Massingberd, > Burke's Irish Family Records, Beresford so is this the same man? > > Regards > > Michael Brennan > > Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ > My Laois Page: > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:58:05 +0000 > > From: michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Pack-Beresford+Clayton-Browne+McClintock-Bunbury > > >>From a copybook in the Bunbury Papers. (PPP) > > > > January 188? > > ( would Turtle add the year ?)) > > DEATH OF CAPT. DENIS WILLIAM PATRICK PACK-BERESFORD Esq. D.L., J.P.of > > Fenagh House, Carlow. > > > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From Paul Haughney in New York. “In 1964 a group of young lads passed the time kicking ball in a field " The Fairgreen" on the site where The Fairgreen Shopping Centre now stands. Some of them decided to form a new soccer team and as a result of their proximity to the Burrin River they called it Greenburrin.”

Mick / Turtle I have the following on the death of Denis William Pack-Beresford: Denis William Pack-Beresford was born on 7 July 1818. He is the son of Maj.-Gen. Sir Denis Pack and Lady Elizabeth Louisa Beresford. He married Annette Caroline Browne, daughter of Robert Clayton Browne and Harriette Augusta Hamilton, on 12 February 1863. He died on 28 December 1881 at age 63. The 28th Dec 1881 was a Wednesday! There is no mention of the name Patrick in Hugh Montgomery-Massingberd, Burke's Irish Family Records, Beresford so is this the same man? Regards Michael Brennan Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:58:05 +0000 > From: michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Pack-Beresford+Clayton-Browne+McClintock-Bunbury >>From a copybook in the Bunbury Papers. (PPP) > > January 188? > ( would Turtle add the year ?)) > DEATH OF CAPT. DENIS WILLIAM PATRICK PACK-BERESFORD Esq. D.L., J.P.of > Fenagh House, Carlow.