Joanne, I totally agree that the priests should be mindful of how the people in their Church, has or doesn't have, and live accordingly. The Church I attend is in a very poor area of Montgomery County, PA. I've never been in the living quarters of the rectory, but I doubt if our pastor could afford to live above his people. Thank God for that. ;) Fran Devine Heidel

Garret Curren maketh Oath that he is a Householder, and has a house where he actually resides, at Carlow and that he is worth the Sum of Ten Pounds Sterling, over and above all his just Debts and that he supports and maintains himself by Dealing. (signed) Garret Curren , William Fishbourne and (her mark) Ann Shehan. [ note added 2010 : Margaret McLoughlin is seeking a Magistrate's order that Ann Shehan be of good behaviour "towards His Majesty's Liege Subjects and particularly towards Margaret McLoughlin", Garret is swearing a Bond for Ann.]

1.Diocesan priests - Diocesan priests commit their lives to serving the people of a diocese, which is a church administrative region, and typically work in parishes, schools, or other Catholic institutions as assigned by the bishop of their diocese. Diocesan priests take a vow of celibacy and obedience. 2.Religious priests - Religious priests belong to a religious order such as the Dominicans, Franciscans, and Jesuits. Religious priests get their direction from their superiors within their religious order. Religious orders typically specialize in teaching or performing missionary work. In addition to taking a vow of celibacy and obedience, religious priests take a vow of poverty. Cheers Cara

William Straham of the town of Carlow, Cabinet Maker on the 22nd Day of February in the 46th Year of The Reign of our Sovereign Lord George the Third, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, and so-forth at Carlow did assault Pierce Brerton, a Sub-Constable, by order of James Butler, Esquire, Sovereign of the town of Carlow pursuant to Act of Parliament, , in due Execution of his duty and forcibly unlawfully did take and rescue one pig which he seized and had in his custody as being a Publick Nuisance.

That is correct. Only order priests take a vow of poverty. Maureen N In a message dated 3/6/2010 3:00:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, fradel@comcast.net writes: Diocesan priests don't take a vow of poverty....only order priests....right or wrong? Frances Heidel On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Joann Taylor wrote:

Hi All! In a 1970s article about John Amnesty Nolan and in a book on Ballon parish, Fr. MacSuibhne alludes to a tombstone erected (supposedly in the old Ballon cemetery) by Rev. P.C. Nolan, P.P. Rathvilly (1855-1885) to the memory of an ancestor and reading something like the following (based upon Fr. MacSuibhne's recollection from memory): "On the requisition of the Rev. Patrick Nolan, P.P., Rathvilly, this stone was erected to his father's great grandfather's father .". The name Garret also supposedly appears on the tombstone and the family in question is believed to have been the Ballykealey Nolans. MY QUESTION!! Has anybody seen such a tombstone? I have scoured most cemeteries in Co. Carlow and documented most Nolan tombstones. I have not come across this tombstone. I have not done the Rathvilly cemetery so it might be there. If anyone in their search through Co. carlow cemeteries comes across a tombstone fitting the description above I would be very grateful to know how the inscription reads. With best regards, Roger ********************* http://nolanfamilies.org ********************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meg McGowan" <mcgowan@hawaii.rr.com> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nolan (LOUIS EDWARD) >I have been a lurker on this list for some time, and also was intrigued by >the mention of the link between Captain Louis Edward Nolan (of the Light >Brigade) and Moses Nowlan of Kilkenny. It has been family lore among my >Nolan cousins that our family was related to Captain Nolan, but I have >never been able to trace the link. > > My GGgrandfather James Nolan was born in Carlow around 1804 and emigrated > to Peterborough Co, Ontario, in the late 1820's. He likely had a brother > Edward born in Carlow about 1795 and whose older children Martin, Patrick, > Loughlin, and James, were born in Ballykealey or Coneberry Townland, Co. > Carlow between 1822 and 1830, before that family also emigrated to > Ontario. (Roger Nowlan has been very helpful in providing the Carlow > details on this family.) > > The family claim about Captain Nolan can be traced to Martin and Loughlin, > who in separate newspaper accounts mention the relationship. Loughlin is > quoted in the Peterborough Examiner in 1918, saying Louis (incorrectly > named as Charles) was a first cousin, which seems unlikely. Martin > Nolan's obituary in the same paper in 1903 also says he is a grandson of > Lord Eustachius of County Carlow, which seems to be a bit of grandiosity. > > Meg McGowan > Honolulu > > Begin forwarded message: > >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 21:30:05 -0500 >> From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Nowlan (MOSES) & Nolan (LOUIS EDWARD) >> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <597F4E2E75FC40029B1372BD815904AB@RogerNetBook> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Mick, >> I had read about Captain Moses Nowlan but did not know that he was >> related >> to the Nolan of "Light Brigade" fame. I am interested in finding out >> more >> about this Kilkenny (Carlow border?) family. >> >> My notable absence from the list during the past two weeks is due to me >> working on the next issue of the Nolan Clan newsletter. >> >> I did also see your other recent postings wherein the Nolan family name >> appeared but have not had time to comment. I hope to do so after the >> Newsletter is mailed off (in time for St. Patrick's day). >> >> With best regards, >> Roger Nowlan >> >> ********************* > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I Matthew Griffon of Ballynockvian, Carlow, a Servant Boy to one Mary Doyle of Ballynockvian, Widow, on the Third day of December 1850 I detected David Burtchaell, a Strolling Begger Stealing potatoes out of a pit the property of Mary Doyle in the back of Her House at Ballynockvian. (signed) Matthew Griffon.

Nicholas Tool late of Scotland in the County of Carlow, yeoman, on the Eight day of April in the Seventh year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lady Victoria, was seized in his demesne as of fee, of and in a certain messuage with the appurtenances there situate, and that Joseph Codd, yeoman and Mary Codd married (Sub ?--- man ? ?----) both of Eagle Hill in the County of Carlow while the said Nicholas Tool was so seized of the said messuage with the appurtenances with force and arms , and with a strong hand unlawfully did enter etc. etc. etc.~~~~~~

The Information of John Tyndall of Borris, Parish of Clonegoose, Barony of Idrone East, Carlow. Saith that on Friday the 26th December 1826 about the hour of three of the clock in the afternoon he found twenty pieces of Timber (different Scantlings) in the dwelling house of Thomas Comerford of Scortreen, Carlow, Labourer, which Timber John Tyndall understands to be the property of Mr. Thomas Kavanagh Esquire, feloniously Stolen from the Buildings or Houses now erecting in the Street of Borris. (signed) John Tyndall, L. Hegarty.

Diocesan priests don't take a vow of poverty....only order priests....right or wrong? Frances Heidel On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Joann Taylor wrote: > As a child in Philadelphia during the Depression, my mother used to go > over to the parish rectory where her grandmother cooked - she would > give > my Mom bits of extra food and table scraps from the priests so that > the > family could eat. Feast or famine...the priests didn't go without > food > or liquor. So much for a vow of poverty... > > Brian Walsh wrote: >> Tom, >> Oopsies, lost the last one. >> I remember as a child being told to abstain on Good Friday and >> Ash Wednesday, and we did as a family and a school. >> My wife and I still observe the rules, but we are not saints. >>> From what I have learned, Carlow was not touched by the potato >>> famine as other counties because they grew beets instead of >>> potatoes. I could be wrong about this. >> I am sure that most priests were pious, and observed the Lenten >> way. I doubt the workhouse chaplain was a fraud, but he could have >> been. >> Brian >> >> >> >> >> >> Mon, 3/1/10, Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> wrote: >> >> From: Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Fast and Abstinence !. >> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 6:28 PM >> >> I usually don't like to comment on political or religious matters >> online but >> .... Okay, first of all I'm Catholic so this isn't prejudice but >> the notion >> that a >> semi-starved person in a workhouse during the height of the potato >> famine >> would have to abstain from milk for Good Friday by request of his >> faith's >> authority .... >> damn that's upsetting. Church Law? I'll bet the chaplain sat >> down to a >> nice meal that evening. >> >> Tom >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael purcell >> Sent: 01 March 2010 03:21 >> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Fast and Abstinence !. >> >> Minutes of Carlow Workhouse 1857. >> Resolved : That the Roman Catholic chaplain applied to the Board >> to give the >> Roman Catholic paupers >> a substitute for milk with their breakfast tomorrow "being Good >> Friday" as >> they are required to observe Fast and Abstinence by church >> law...The Board >> acceded to his wishes and ordered the Master of the Workhouse to >> provide >> water as a substitute instead of milk. >> >> ======================================= >> >> >> >> >> >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >> --------------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- >> CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without >> the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >> --------------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- >> CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without >> the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- > CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message frances heidel 皮 fradel@comcast.net Consultant - Arbonne International Wellnessnskincare.myarbonne.com 610-631-2585

Peter Toole, Farmer, maketh Oath that he usually resides at Tomduff, Parish of Kiltenal, Barony of Idrone East, County Carlow, this 3rd June 1847. Peter intends to Prosecute Martin Farrell of Tomduff for having stolen Wheat in his possession the property of James Toole. (signed) Edward Hagarty, Justice of the Peace--Peter Toole. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Toole late of Hacketstown, Labourer, on the sixth of June in the Seventh year of the Reign etc. etc. Queen Victoria in and upon one James Smee, a subconstable in the due execution of his duty in the peace of God our Sovereign etc. etc. did make assault, beat , ill treat, wound on him ete. etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicholas Tool late of Scotland in the County of Carlow, yeoman, on the Eight day of April in the Seventh year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lady Victoria, was seized in his demesne as of fee, of and in a certain messuage with the appurtenances there situate, and that Joseph Codd, yeoman and Mary Codd married (? could be Philip Brennan or Dan Shannon ?) both of Eagle Hill in the County of Carlow while the said Nicholas Tool was so seized of the said messuage with the appurtenances with force and arms , and with a strong hand unlawfully did enter etc. etc. etc.~~~~~~( bottom line is that Nick wants his messuage back and I want a back massage ! ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ February 1836. Edward Warren do swear that I am a Householder , and have a House wherein I usually reside at Rosslee in the Parish of Myshall Barony of Forth , Carlow and that I support myself by my profession as Clerk etc.~~~ and that I am worth the sum of Ten pounds over and above all my just debts, So help me GOD. (signed) Edward Warren. Robert Collier supports himself by Farming at Myshall etc. They are going bond for Mary Tracey of Rathnageerath (?) in case against James Lawler. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- August 1821.I Thomas Hemingway do swear that I usually reside at Tullow Townland, Barony of Rathvilly. Bounded by -- John Hopkins, Householder at Tullow, Barlony of Rathvilly, maintains himself as Shopkeeper . Thomas Germain of Tullow, Householder, Barony of Rathvilly, maintains himself as Shopkeeper. Thomas Hemingway intends bringing Michael Kavanagh , John Kehoe, Patrick Collins and Daniel Haydon to Court. sworn before E. Eustace. of Ellmgrove. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It is my understanding that whether or not an explicit vow of poverty is taken depends on the order. I agree that diocesan priests don't have to take an explicit vow of poverty. I don't think people expected priests to live like peons (myself included) but I do think that living an openly opulent lifestyle while a large portion of your congregation is struggling to even eat goes counter to their Christian mission. (IMO) Refering to the Canon Law: Referring to:Section I: Institutes of Consecrated Life Title I: Norms Common To All Institutes Of Consecrated Life (Cann. 573 - 606) Can 573 §2. The Christian faithful freely assume this form of living in institutes of consecrated life canonically erected by competent authority of the Church. Through vows or other sacred bonds according to the proper laws of the institutes, they profess the evangelical counsels of chastity, poverty, and obedience and, through the charity to which the counsels lead, are joined in a special way to the Church and its mystery. My use of the word "vow" was technically incorrect. Whether or not one believes in such behavior as a tenet is another matter. Joann frances heidel wrote: > Diocesan priests don't take a vow of poverty....only order > priests....right or wrong? Frances Heidel > On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Joann Taylor wrote: > >

An update to Dunleckney Parish Registers 1843: http://www.igp-web.com/carlow/Baptism_Dunleckney_34.htm Transcribed by Brian Walsh Regards Michael Brennan Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm

Transcribed by Cara: http://www.igp-web.com/carlow/Baptism_Rathvilly_11.htm Regards Michael Brennan Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm

Michael, thanks for the speedy reply. Sorry, I was away at the time of the posting. Don't worry about following it up. Just thought you might know off the topof your head. Susie > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:35:01 +0000 > From: michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1821 Warren etc. (michael purcell) > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <52e0b9671003050435h947969s6dcac22209e170ef@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Susie, no idea what that particular "Recognizance" was for , if you asked > me that question within 24 hours of it being posted I could have > answered , > but the document is now filed away under the first surname that appeared > on > the Document...that name was not "Warren"-, > I placed "Warren" at top in order to attract your attention ----I was > suprised to see two women listed, in fact I don't think I ever saw women > listed before !!... I will attempt to track it. The intention is just to > publish extract of names and addresses from such documents --I recall it > was > a large document with much legal jargon, gave a quick check this morning > ..found another relating to Galway of Tullow which I will post > later...there > are two Ballymurphys in Carlow ..one is near Tullow the other > Borris...mick

In a message dated 3/6/2010 9:00:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mjbrennan@blueyonder.co.uk writes: Transcribed by Cara: http://www.igp-web.com/carlow/Baptism_Rathvilly_11.htm Cara and Michael, Thanks very much for the very detailed, very neat, very informative transcriptions of baptisms in 1832 in Rathvilly RC parish. I can't help thinking that 232 baptisms in one year in one parish is a formidable number. In the parish I follow in Kilkenny it was comparable, and I assume it was the same for every parish in Ireland, which would yield a truly awesome number for such a small country. Jack Langton

Nationalist, Feb. 1921. Probably the greatest sensation of the present crisis in Ireland was the escape of Frank Teeling and two others from Kilmainham Prison on Monday night last. According to Dublin Press reports a lorry-load of men uniformed in khaki, wearing steel helmets and carrying the usual arms drove up to the prison gate, and the officer in charge presented a warrant purporting to come from Dublin Castle ordering the prison authorities to hand over Teeling and two others, Donnelly and Stewart, for removal "to another place" . Teeling was under sentence of death for his alleged complicity in the Mount Street shootings. The three men were removed and have not since been heard of. Military headquarters on Wednesday night, however, while admitting the escape , emphatically deny that any hoax was perpetrated. Thereafter the sensational incident is a mystery.

Nationalist, Feb. 1921. Right Rev. T.G.F. Day, the new Protestant Bishop of Ossory, Ferns and Leighlin, recently visited Maryborough and preached at Sunday morning and evening Services. At the Parochial Hall he delivered an interesting and instructive lecture on India.

Nationalist, February, 1921. Raids and Arrests. In the past few weeks lorries laden with soldiers arrived in Killeshin and district, the houses visited being those of Messrs. John Gaffeny, William Rourke, Thomas Curran, and Henry Bolton's Kelogue. No arrests were made. Messrs. John Dunne, Patrick Byrne, and Thomas Whitney, all of Monure were also visited and searched but nothing was found. On Friday week an exhaustive and fruitless search was made at a sandpit near Stradbally, and digging operations were carried on for some time. So far as can be ascertained the excavations revealed no discoveries. AUXILIARIES VISIT TO CARLOW. Early on Sunday morning a lorry load of cadets visited Carlow and searched the following houses --- Mr Gerald Donnelly's, Mr. Michael Hughes's and Mrs. Leonard's in Tullow Street. There was nothing found in any of the places. Jim McDarby, Graiguecullen, was sentenced to 12 months, instead of four, as published in last week's issue. On Sunday, about noon, the military visited Stradbally, and arrested Michael J. O'Connor, Sculptor, Stradbally, and conveyed him to Maryborough. On Monday morning the police arrested John Nolan, The Hermitage, Monasterevan, and brought him to Portarlington Barracks. [ note added in 2010. there was an "informer" at work as all of the people named above were active members of the I.R.A., and all the houses raided were regarded as "safe-houses" by republicans, ----The information that the military was operating under was spot on...]

Nationalist, May 1921. Death Warning. On Saturday evening last two masked and armed men called at the residence of Mr. W.P. Morrow, at Newtown , Co. Carlow, Master, Carlow Union, (The Workhouse ), and delivered a notice to Mr. Morrow's young daughter to the effect that unless he ceased his activities in local land agitation, he would be shot. The note was signed "Anti-Sinn Fein" and below was the legend "God Save the King". [ note added 2010. not sure why but my 2010 hunch is that the above message was left by members of the I.R.A. stirring it up !]