Thanks very much. So he wasn't a regular in the RIC. He was a 'special' somehow as the newspaper article stated. So the best chances for this John Boles would be the Auxiliary Force recruited between 1881 and 1882 if those specials would likely still be around by 1919, that's 37 years and anyone from that force would be at least 57. More possible I suppose. Alternatively, there were special constables recruited some other time closer to June 1919. -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JJ Woods Sent: 21 March 2010 16:49 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. Apparently there were two men named John Boles in the RIC. The registration number of one was 18147 which meant he was recruited between 19/10/1853 and 23/4/1855. The second registration number was 30634, recruitment dates between 19/10/1863 and 8/11/1865. Assuming an age of 20 and taking the latest registration date when recruited that would mean the first man was approximately 84 in 1919 and the second man was approximately 74. It is therefore unlikely either of them was on active service in 1919. Constable Henry Skehin's registration number was 67953, recruitment dates between 16/12/1912 and 15/2/1917. There was a John Bole, registration number 13416 for dates between 12/9/1848 and 12/6/1850. There was an Auxiliary Force with recruitment between 15/12/1881 and 21/11/1882 and an Auxiliary Division between 23/7/1920 and 5/12/1921. I don't know if this information adds much to the discussion but it might. J. J.

A search of the web brought up the following site: http://www.search.com/reference/Special_Constable The following is an extract from the site dealing with the RIC: The Royal Irish Constabulary<http://www.search.com/reference/Royal_Irish_Constabulary> began recruiting special constables in the 1920s, largely as a reaction to the Irish Republican Army <http://www.search.com/reference/Irish_Republican_Army>(IRA). In the south and west of Ireland <http://www.search.com/reference/Ireland> were the Black and Tans <http://www.search.com/reference/Black_and_Tans> and the Auxiliary Division <http://www.search.com/reference/Auxiliary_Division>. The Ulster Special Constabulary<http://www.search.com/reference/Ulster_Special_Constabulary> (USC) operated in the northeast and were the main bulwark against IRA activity. The USC was divided into three armed sections: A Specials (full-time and paid), B Specials (part-time and paid an allowance), and the C Specials (unpaid and non-uniformed reservists). J. J. On 21 March 2010 15:49, <renolan38@aol.com> wrote: > > But he was living in the area and his name was used in Court. There may > not have been a local family of the name Boles in the area but there is a > possibility he assumed a name of a friend or relative when he functioned as > Special Constable. He had to be housed somewhere in the community or close > by. > > My understanding of the circumstances of this period is there were many men > moving around the country attempting to influence the political tides and > were not very well known to locals who may be sympathetic to the cause > exposed by a stranger. And accommodated him for a period of time > > I do believe infiltration was a major problem for all concerned during this > time period > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, Mar 20, 2010 12:29 pm > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. > > > I thought about that too but I don't think it's likely. Wouldn't > publishing his > status in the newspaper be like signing his death warrant? Especially in > 1919. > There were no Boles actually living in that area so his cover wouldn't be > very > good. Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of renolan38@aol.com > Sent: 21 March 2010 09:20 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. > > > Has the possibility of Mr. Boles being an undercover agent of some sort > been > considered? And therefore becoming " Special " > > Here in the United States some FBI Agents have a designation/rank as > Special > Agent. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:08 pm > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. > > > Thanks Mick > > Then it is probably just John Boles of Cavan on assignment in Carlow. > That's right, none of my Bowles/Boles would have still been in Carlow by > 1919. Still this little note will go well with my Bowles in Cavan files. > > Just glad this Boles wasn't a Black & Tan. > > Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael purcell > Sent: 20 March 2010 09:35 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. > > June 1919 is too early to have been a R.I.C. B-Special Constable ( est. > Sept. 1920) or a member of the Auxiliaries reinforcement group ( Sept. > 1919) > or a Black and Tan recruit (Jan. 1920), possibly volunteer but I don't > think > that Boles show up in Carlow records for the period ?.... > > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> wrote: > > > This reference states that Constable John Boles was a 'special' constable > > of > > the RIC. > > > > I would welcome opinions whether that means he was a temporary member, > > probably a local, who was signed up to serve with the RIC but possibly > was > > not a full time member of the RIC? I have looked for Boles in the RIC > > before and the only John I could find was in a northern county. Still he > > could have been assigned to Carlow. The word 'special' makes me think it > > wouldn't be that full time constable though. > > > > Anyone's thoughts? > > > > Thanks for the interesting reference Mick. > > > > Tom > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael purcell > > Sent: 19 March 2010 14:56 > > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. > > > > Extract from report in Carlow Sentinel, June 31st 1919. > > Dangerous Speech in Carlow. > > Southern Police Court before Mr. Swifte, Magistrate, K.C. > > Frank Gallagher, who was arrested in St. Stephen's Green in Dublin, was > > charged under the Criminal Law, Ireland Act of 1887. > > On May 25th last Mr Frank Gallagher delivered a speech to a crowd of > > between > > 300 and 400 people assembled at Myshall, Co. 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Linda,In my research (looking at RC records), the baptismal records of the era that you mention - late 1700s-early 1800s - indicate neither the age nor the actual date of birth of the child being baptised; however, from about the 1860s onward the records often do provide age or date of birth at time of baptism; from that later period it is clear that baptism generally took place asap after birth.My guess is that the baptismal traditions of the 1860s and onward were simply a continuation of earlier practice...No one wanted to tempt fate by delaying baptism unnecessarily in an era of high infant mortality rates.Karen. > From: leshipman1@att.net > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:12:20 -0700 > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] General question about baptisms > > I would like to know if it was common in Carlow (around the late 1700's to early 1800's) for newborns to be baptised right after birth...or was it common to wait for a period of time? In America, it often happened that newborns had to await their baptism (sometimes for years) because of no church or official to do the baptismal. > > Thank you for any comments. > Linda > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ IM on the go with Messenger on your phone http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712960

Hi Regina, Just a thought, the dispensation may have been because they were related to each other and within the degrees of consanguinity which required such dispensation. For example, first cousins required such a dispensation. Regards, J. J. On 21 March 2010 02:41, <looneybrds@aol.com> wrote: > > > Can anyone suggest how I might learn which of my g.g. grandparents > received a dispensation for a marriage? I am presuming that one of the > two was Protestant. Owen Cleary was from the Graigue. If he had been the > Catholic I would think that they would have been married there. Since they > were married in the Carlow Cathedral, should I assume that Marianne Rowe was > the Catholic? Record Reads: Cleary Owen to Rowe Mary Anne Ad: Husband - > Graigue.; By dispensation Yr. 1842. Thanks. > > Peace, > Regina > > > > > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Since as early as the second century infant baptism has been practiced. Some theologians argue that it took place even in the first century. Since the teachings of Augustine, it has always been in the best interest of the infant to baptize as soon as possible rather than "jeopardize" the soul of the unbaptized infant should he or she die in the "state of original sin." In the Middle Ages, the teaching of Limbo became a popular one and continued until modern time although most people questioned this idea. Last year the Vatican publicly announced that there was no such thing as Limbo and all unbaptized infants would gain salvation. So back to your question, most newborns would have been baptized quite soon after birth, usually within days. Time over 1 month would have been deemed long. Peace, Regina -----Original Message----- From: Roger Nowlan <rnowlan@primus.ca> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, Mar 21, 2010 4:50 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] General question about baptisms Linda, I have seen in the baptismal records mention of a dispensation for a fourth degree of consanguinity. This was around 1870 in the Ballon area. Regards, Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Shipman" <leshipman1@att.net> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 1:12 PM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] General question about baptisms >I would like to know if it was common in Carlow (around the late 1700's to >early 1800's) for newborns to be baptised right after birth...or was it >common to wait for a period of time? In America, it often happened that >newborns had to await their baptism (sometimes for years) because of no >church or official to do the baptismal. > > Thank you for any comments. > Linda > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda, I have seen in the baptismal records mention of a dispensation for a fourth degree of consanguinity. This was around 1870 in the Ballon area. Regards, Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Shipman" <leshipman1@att.net> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 1:12 PM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] General question about baptisms >I would like to know if it was common in Carlow (around the late 1700's to >early 1800's) for newborns to be baptised right after birth...or was it >common to wait for a period of time? In America, it often happened that >newborns had to await their baptism (sometimes for years) because of no >church or official to do the baptismal. > > Thank you for any comments. > Linda > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In those days, a dispensation was needed to marry a non-catholic if you were a catholic. I don't know the rule anymore but it was necessary to be "dispensed" when I was growing up in the 1940's and '50's. They were no permitted to be married inside the Church, either. You had to be married in the rectory. Thank God things have changed....I hope. Fran Devine Heidel

That's what Michael mentioned but he stated that there would not have been that type of Special Constable as early as June 1919. I'm really hoping to be able to hold onto the thought that this Boles was not one of those Auxiliaries or Black & Tans. They were not nice people from all that I have heard. -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JJ Woods Sent: 21 March 2010 13:23 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. A search of the web brought up the following site: http://www.search.com/reference/Special_Constable The following is an extract from the site dealing with the RIC: The Royal Irish Constabulary<http://www.search.com/reference/Royal_Irish_Constabulary> began recruiting special constables in the 1920s, largely as a reaction to the Irish Republican Army <http://www.search.com/reference/Irish_Republican_Army>(IRA). In the south and west of Ireland <http://www.search.com/reference/Ireland> were the Black and Tans <http://www.search.com/reference/Black_and_Tans> and the Auxiliary Division <http://www.search.com/reference/Auxiliary_Division>. The Ulster Special Constabulary<http://www.search.com/reference/Ulster_Special_Constabulary> (USC) operated in the northeast and were the main bulwark against IRA activity. The USC was divided into three armed sections: A Specials (full-time and paid), B Specials (part-time and paid an allowance), and the C Specials (unpaid and non-uniformed reservists). J. J.

In an 1806 book by Francis Plowden on the history of Ireland to the Act of Union, there is an appendix giving "a Correct List of Anti-Unionists and Unionists". Included in the list of Unionists are Sir J. Cotter R. Cotter together with a few names familiar to the list here, on both sides. Does anyone know who these Cotters were? Thanks, Bill.

Here in western-central NYS, baptism can depend on the health condition of the newborn. If the babe is in very ill health, he/she may be baptized within the first few hours of birth. I was born many years ago 52 days early and in very poor health. The medical staff and my parents contacted the head of my church and had me baptized and given last rites within minutes of each other. This was then followed by lifesaving surgery. I was finally sent home to die 51 days after my birth. I know that my angel has always looked out after me for all of these years. His name is Billy (my grandpa), he passed several weeks before my critical care birth. His family is originally from Holy Cross, Thurles, Co. Tipperary. I would imagine the same would occur for infants in Ireland, if minister/priest were near the place of birth. It is an interesting item to ponder what would happen in other countries. Peg Clutter In a message dated 3/21/2010 12:19:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, leshipman1@att.net writes: I would like to know if it was common in Carlow (around the late 1700's to early 1800's) for newborns to be baptised right after birth...or was it common to wait for a period of time? In America, it often happened that newborns had to await their baptism (sometimes for years) because of no church or official to do the baptismal. Thank you for any comments. Linda ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to trace a name that I found in an old scrapbook of my grandfather. There's only a name...no other information is given. I want to find out if this person really existed and, if so, what his relationship was to the family. The name is "Colin O.C. Quirke" It would have been around the late 1890s-early 1900s, I believe. I have searched around a bit but can't find any leads. The only hint I have is that he may be a music teacher...? Your help is appreciated. Maribeth E. Nolan nolanme@verizon.net

But he was living in the area and his name was used in Court. There may not have been a local family of the name Boles in the area but there is a possibility he assumed a name of a friend or relative when he functioned as Special Constable. He had to be housed somewhere in the community or close by. My understanding of the circumstances of this period is there were many men moving around the country attempting to influence the political tides and were not very well known to locals who may be sympathetic to the cause exposed by a stranger. And accommodated him for a period of time I do believe infiltration was a major problem for all concerned during this time period -----Original Message----- From: Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Mar 20, 2010 12:29 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. I thought about that too but I don't think it's likely. Wouldn't publishing his status in the newspaper be like signing his death warrant? Especially in 1919. There were no Boles actually living in that area so his cover wouldn't be very good. Tom -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of renolan38@aol.com Sent: 21 March 2010 09:20 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. Has the possibility of Mr. Boles being an undercover agent of some sort been considered? And therefore becoming " Special " Here in the United States some FBI Agents have a designation/rank as Special Agent. -----Original Message----- From: Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:08 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. Thanks Mick Then it is probably just John Boles of Cavan on assignment in Carlow. That's right, none of my Bowles/Boles would have still been in Carlow by 1919. Still this little note will go well with my Bowles in Cavan files. Just glad this Boles wasn't a Black & Tan. Tom -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael purcell Sent: 20 March 2010 09:35 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. June 1919 is too early to have been a R.I.C. B-Special Constable ( est. Sept. 1920) or a member of the Auxiliaries reinforcement group ( Sept. 1919) or a Black and Tan recruit (Jan. 1920), possibly volunteer but I don't think that Boles show up in Carlow records for the period ?.... On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> wrote: > This reference states that Constable John Boles was a 'special' constable > of > the RIC. > > I would welcome opinions whether that means he was a temporary member, > probably a local, who was signed up to serve with the RIC but possibly was > not a full time member of the RIC? I have looked for Boles in the RIC > before and the only John I could find was in a northern county. Still he > could have been assigned to Carlow. The word 'special' makes me think it > wouldn't be that full time constable though. > > Anyone's thoughts? > > Thanks for the interesting reference Mick. > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael purcell > Sent: 19 March 2010 14:56 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. > > Extract from report in Carlow Sentinel, June 31st 1919. > Dangerous Speech in Carlow. > Southern Police Court before Mr. Swifte, Magistrate, K.C. > Frank Gallagher, who was arrested in St. Stephen's Green in Dublin, was > charged under the Criminal Law, Ireland Act of 1887. > On May 25th last Mr Frank Gallagher delivered a speech to a crowd of > between > 300 and 400 people assembled at Myshall, Co. Carlow. > Constable John Boles, Myshall, County Carlow, a special constable of the > Royal Irish Constabulary, confirmed his dispositions in which he stated > that > in company with Constable Henry Skehin he attended a public meeting and Mr > Frank D. Gallagher, of Dublin (whom he identified) addressed the meeting. > In > the course of his speech he made and published seditious and inflammatory > observations. Amongst other things he incited his hearers in the following > words, or words to the like effect :- > " I wish to impress on you that you owe no allegiance to any alien > Government ---only to your own---the Irish Republic. England has no more > right to govern you than China. You belong to Dail Eireann, and whatever it > asks you to do you must do it from a Christian as well as a moral command. > If we have another rising be true to Eamon de Valera, Plunkett, Thomas > McDonagh, and Pearse. Do not let them and the work they did in 1916 be in > vain". > Mr Swifte asked Gallagher if he had any question to ask ?. > Mr Gallagher stood up and asked the magistrate whether he was appointed > under the Act passed under the Constitution of the Irish Republic ?. > Swifte took no notice of the question. Swifte then sentenced the accused to > three month's imprisonment , without hard labour, and ordered him to give > bail in 20 to be of good behaviour for 12 months or serve a further term > of > one month's imprisonment. > > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. 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Thanks for the reply Nigel, it's a very nice looking site and easy to navigate. You'll be depending on donations to survive - won't you? The other family notices site coming out of Tyrone is fee based As of 2008 you didn't have a traffic ranking, but you were listed in Yahoo Directory and don't have a DMOZ directory listing yet. I just got to wondering where you'd been when I saw the 2003 registration and I think I was confusing you with the .com site Best of luck, Regards, Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Penton Tilbury" <nigelt@familynotices.org> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] A new website - www.familynotices.org > Hi Jane, > > Yes, I registered the domain on 4th December 2003 but only released it > last

Hi Jane, Yes, I registered the domain on 4th December 2003 but only released it last week. It has been under development for some time and looking back I really should have launched it a long time ago. It has taken a while to write the software, in fact a considerable number of hours have gone into it over the past 18 months, invariably to the exclusion of all other matters. There have been periods where the whole thing has been dismantled and the functions re-appraised, as a result of months of testing and tweaking, and of course it still needs work! Cheers for now, Nigel . > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons > Sent: 21 March 2010 11:16 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] A new website - www.familynotices.org > > According to registration familynotices.org was created in > 2003? or have you > just brought it on line? > > Jane > >

Has the possibility of Mr. Boles being an undercover agent of some sort been considered? And therefore becoming " Special " Here in the United States some FBI Agents have a designation/rank as Special Agent. -----Original Message----- From: Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:08 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. Thanks Mick Then it is probably just John Boles of Cavan on assignment in Carlow. That's right, none of my Bowles/Boles would have still been in Carlow by 1919. Still this little note will go well with my Bowles in Cavan files. Just glad this Boles wasn't a Black & Tan. Tom -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael purcell Sent: 20 March 2010 09:35 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. June 1919 is too early to have been a R.I.C. B-Special Constable ( est. Sept. 1920) or a member of the Auxiliaries reinforcement group ( Sept. 1919) or a Black and Tan recruit (Jan. 1920), possibly volunteer but I don't think that Boles show up in Carlow records for the period ?.... On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> wrote: > This reference states that Constable John Boles was a 'special' constable > of > the RIC. > > I would welcome opinions whether that means he was a temporary member, > probably a local, who was signed up to serve with the RIC but possibly was > not a full time member of the RIC? I have looked for Boles in the RIC > before and the only John I could find was in a northern county. Still he > could have been assigned to Carlow. The word 'special' makes me think it > wouldn't be that full time constable though. > > Anyone's thoughts? > > Thanks for the interesting reference Mick. > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael purcell > Sent: 19 March 2010 14:56 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. > > Extract from report in Carlow Sentinel, June 31st 1919. > Dangerous Speech in Carlow. > Southern Police Court before Mr. Swifte, Magistrate, K.C. > Frank Gallagher, who was arrested in St. Stephen's Green in Dublin, was > charged under the Criminal Law, Ireland Act of 1887. > On May 25th last Mr Frank Gallagher delivered a speech to a crowd of > between > 300 and 400 people assembled at Myshall, Co. Carlow. > Constable John Boles, Myshall, County Carlow, a special constable of the > Royal Irish Constabulary, confirmed his dispositions in which he stated > that > in company with Constable Henry Skehin he attended a public meeting and Mr > Frank D. Gallagher, of Dublin (whom he identified) addressed the meeting. > In > the course of his speech he made and published seditious and inflammatory > observations. Amongst other things he incited his hearers in the following > words, or words to the like effect :- > " I wish to impress on you that you owe no allegiance to any alien > Government ---only to your own---the Irish Republic. England has no more > right to govern you than China. You belong to Dail Eireann, and whatever it > asks you to do you must do it from a Christian as well as a moral command. > If we have another rising be true to Eamon de Valera, Plunkett, Thomas > McDonagh, and Pearse. Do not let them and the work they did in 1916 be in > vain". > Mr Swifte asked Gallagher if he had any question to ask ?. > Mr Gallagher stood up and asked the magistrate whether he was appointed > under the Act passed under the Constitution of the Irish Republic ?. > Swifte took no notice of the question. Swifte then sentenced the accused to > three month's imprisonment , without hard labour, and ordered him to give > bail in £20 to be of good behaviour for 12 months or serve a further term > of > one month's imprisonment. > > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. 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According to registration familynotices.org was created in 2003? or have you just brought it on line? Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Penton Tilbury" <nigelt@familynotices.org> To: <IRL-CARLOW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:41 AM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] A new website - www.familynotices.org > > Posted with the kind permission of the Listowner. > > > I have just launched www.familynotices.org which is a totally > non-commercial > & privately-owned site and I hope to attract postings from the past as > well > as new social events. >

I would like to know if it was common in Carlow (around the late 1700's to early 1800's) for newborns to be baptised right after birth...or was it common to wait for a period of time? In America, it often happened that newborns had to await their baptism (sometimes for years) because of no church or official to do the baptismal. Thank you for any comments. Linda

Hi Bill I found a Sir James Cotter plus descendents on the net The Cotter Baronetcy, of Rockforest in the County of Cork, is a title in the Baronetage of Ireland. It was created on 11 August 1763 for James Cotter, Member of the Irish House of Commons for Askeaton. He was the son of James Cotter, of Anngrove County Cork, who was the victim of a celebrated case of judicial murder and was executed in Cork City in 1720 and the grandson of Sir James Cotter, of Anngrove, Member of the Irish Parliament for Cork and Commander-in-Chief of James II's forces in County Cork, County Limerick and County Kerry. The Cotters of Anngrove, who exhibited overt Jacobite sympathies, had been considered as the natural leaders of the Catholic community of Cork City and County Cork generally. The authorities intervened in the education of the first baronet, who was raised as a Protestant.[1] This act eliminated one of the families who formed the hereditary leadership of the Catholic community in Ireland. The first baronet's grandson, the third baronet (who succeeded his father), represented Mallow in the British House of Commons. The latter's great-grandson (the title having descended from father to son except for the fourth baronet who was succeeded by his grandson), the sixth baronet, was a Lieutenant-Colonel in the 13th/18th Regiment of the Royal Hussars and fought in the Second World War, where he was awarded the Distinguished Service Order. As of 2008 the title is held by the sixth baronet's nephew, the seventh baronet, who succeeded his uncle in 2001. He is the son of Laurence Stopford Llewellyn Cotter, younger son of the fifth baronet.   Sir James Cotter, 1st Baronet (c. 1714-1770) Sir James Laurence Cotter, 2nd Baronet (c. 1748-1829) Sir James Laurence Cotter, 3rd Baronet (c. 1787-1834) Sir James Laurence Cotter, 4th Baronet (1828-1902) Sir James Laurence Cotter, 5th Baronet (1887-1924) Sir Delaval James Alfred Cotter, 6th Baronet (1911-2001) Sir Patrick Laurence Delaval Cotter, 7th Baronet (b. 1941) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotter_Baronets --- El dom, 21/3/10, Bill Webster <wbwebster@internode.on.net> escribió: De: Bill Webster <wbwebster@internode.on.net> Asunto: [IRL-CARLOW] Cotter - Unionists 1800 Para: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Fecha: domingo, 21 de marzo, 2010 04:56 In an 1806 book by Francis Plowden on the history of Ireland to the Act of Union, there is an appendix giving "a Correct List of Anti-Unionists and Unionists". Included in the list of Unionists are Sir J. Cotter R. Cotter together with a few names familiar to the list here, on both sides.  Does anyone know who these Cotters were? Thanks, Bill. ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com  with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Posted with the kind permission of the Listowner. I have just launched www.familynotices.org which is a totally non-commercial & privately-owned site and I hope to attract postings from the past as well as new social events. Following the death of a close family member, I was infuriated and worse, at the outrageous charges the local newspaper made for posting just a small obituary. It made me think through the whole 'death notices' thing and I pondered how some persons are at their lowest ebb when trying to attend to the small details. I felt that possibly many were either disturbed at the whole horrible process and therefore would say "Yes" to anything just to be able to end the telephone conversation, or they were suffering the modern-day piety/mawkishness and want to spend as much as possible 'to show how much they cared...' - regardless the 'local rags' love it! So I created FamilyNotices.org - which is an on-line repository for all notices of Births, Deaths, Marriages, Engagements, Anniversaries and Missing Persons. This has the advantage of being world-wide, unlike the 'local rag' and better still - is free. Also it doesn't get thrown in the rubbish bin after a quick read! Please feel free to help yourself and post anything which is relevant and appropriate - and it doesn't have to be current. Details of 'Auntie Millie born in 1896' is just as relevant as a modern-day wedding notice. If you like it, please tell your friends .........& if you don't just tell me! Cheers for now, Nigel ______________________________________________ FamilyNotices.org - the free online repository for all notices of Births, Deaths, Marriages, Engagements, Anniversaries and Missing Persons Doing it for free - unlike the newspapers ! Visit www.familynotices.org Follow us on Twitter www.twitter.com/familynotices ______________________________________________

Can anyone suggest how I might learn which of my g.g. grandparents received a dispensation for a marriage? I am presuming that one of the two was Protestant. Owen Cleary was from the Graigue. If he had been the Catholic I would think that they would have been married there. Since they were married in the Carlow Cathedral, should I assume that Marianne Rowe was the Catholic? Record Reads: Cleary Owen to Rowe Mary Anne Ad: Husband - Graigue.; By dispensation Yr. 1842. Thanks. Peace, Regina