Excellent, many thanks Mick, I will forward accordingly. Turtle Bunbury www.turtlebunbury.com Old Fort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland Mob: + 353 - (0) 87 - 6453 486 Skype: turtle1847 Turtle Bunbury is a best-selling author and travel writer based in Ireland. He has lately launched www.HistoryinaBook.com which offers an innovative way to transform your family history into a compelling read. Turtle's seventh book, Vanishing Ireland - Further Chronicles of a Disappearing World, with photographer James Fennell, was the top- selling Picture Book in Ireland over Christmas 2009. On 23 Mar 2010, at 11:25, michael purcell wrote: > No stiens........in fact the odd pewter mug on the shelf or hanging > on hooks > ..., although some people brought their own pewter mug or left it > behind the > bar but only for their own use .... .... , heavy to lift (even when > empty) , > thick Imperial Pint frosted-glasses > ( I have a collection)...odd small spirit glasses , some bowl- > shaped...there > was also a small pewter spirit holder called a cropper (hence a > cropper of > whiskey , meaning a "half-one" ). two pewter spirit measures, one > for a > half-one and larger size for "a glass" ( hence a "half-a-whiskey" > or a " > glass of whiskey" ).....bottles usually were of earthenware > variety....there > was a good turn-of-century pub-display in Carlow County Museum , I > gave some > glasses and bottles to that for display....I would suggest > contacting the > Abbey Theatre but they rarely reply to enquiries of this nature > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Turtle Bunbury <turtle@turtlebunbury.com > >wrote: > >> Here's a question for all the pub spies out there ... and I'm >> afraid I >> don't know the answer! >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: "" <rtcash@bigplanet.com> >>> Date: 23 March 2010 05:38:40 GMT >>> To: turtle@turtlebunbury.com >>> Subject: Enquiry from turtlebunbury.com >>> Reply-To: "" <rtcash@bigplanet.com> >>> >>> This message was sent from: >>> http://www.turtlebunbury.com/contact.html >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> NAME: Renee Cash >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> EMAIL: rtcash@bigplanet.com >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> SUBJECT: Enquiry from turtlebunbury.com >>> >>> ------------------------- MESSAGE ------------------------- >>> >>> I am working on the play "playboy of the western world" and I am >>> trying to make the props accurate. Namely the drinkware. Could you >>> help me?? Would they have had glass beer mugs or stiens in a pub >>> circa 1900?? >>> Thank you >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >> >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe >> to the List. Its FREE! >> --------------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without >> the >> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. > No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

[ Note added 2010. About this time a new directive was issued from Sinn Fein in Carlow requesting that fund raising activities for veterans of the Great War were not to be approved or supported. It was further requested that dances or events organised by the "Comrades of the Great War" were not to be approved or supported. The following collections were recorded in The Sentinel. The total collected in the Rathvilly / Hacketstown area for May / June, 1919 was £501, twelve shillings and eleven pence. The President and main fund-raiser was Kathleen A.Rathdonnell ( Bunbury) of Lisnavagh.] Carlow Sentinel, 21st June 1919. BRITISH RED CROSS. Rathvilly and Hacketstown District. Part proceeds Rathvilly R.C. Church Collection per Rev. J. O' Callaghan -- £2 - 8 shillings. Hacketstown Church Collection per Rev. C.S. Ellison-----------------------£1 - 17 shillings. Part proceeds Fete at Lisnavagh-----------------------------------------------------£50 -- Part proceeds Concert at D'Israeli School per Mrs Anderson--------------£11 --6 shillings L.H.Poe -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------£1.--one shilling. Miss Green, -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------12 shillings. Rev. Ellison and Mrs. Ellison............................................................5 shillings. Mrs. Earl.........................................................................................2 shillings and six pence. Under 2/6 (two shillings and six pence) Mrs. Taylor, Parkin Recipe. OUR DAY. Part proceeds of Fete at Lisnavagh Autograph Quilt-----------------------------£18--one shilling. Hacketstown Church, per Rev. Ellison-------------------------------------------------£3 -- eleven shillings. Hacketstown School, per Rev. Ellison--------------------------------------------------£1----three shillings. Lisnavagh, Sale of Game -------------------------------------------------------------------£7--twelve shillings. Etc. IRISH COUNTIES' WAR HOSPITAL, COUNTY CARLOW WARD. Lord Rathdonnell, £50. Lady Rathdonnell, £10. L.H.Poe £5. Hon. T.L. McClintock-Bunbury £1. Very Rev. J. Delaney, P.P., V.F. Etc. PRISONERS' OF WAR FUNDS. Leinster Regiment, £56. Royal Dublin Fusiliers, £72. South Irish Horse, £25. OTHERS. Nation's tribute to Nurses, £10. Belgian Relief Fund, £5. Instructional Workshops, Military Orthopedic Hospital, Blackrock, £36. National Egg Collection, 2,712 Eggs. Men's Work, Lisnavagh --- 18 Bed-rests, 6 Bed Tables, 20 Crutches. K.A, RATHDONNELL, President County Carlow Branch. ________________________________ Death. Glover --- On Wednesday, May 21st 1919, in Montreal, Canada, at the age of 22 years, Henry Victor, youngest son of the late John Geo. Glover, Carlow, Ireland, and Mrs. Glover, 3163 St. James Street, West, Montreal.

[ Note added 2010. About this time a new directive was issued from Sinn Fein in Carlow requesting that fund raising activities for veterans of the Great War were not to be approved or supported. It was further requested that dances or events organised by the "Comrades of the Great War" were not to be approved or supported. The following collections were recorded in The Sentinel. The total collected in the Rathvilly / Hacketstown area for May, 1919 was £501, twelve shillings and eleven pence. The President and main fund-raiser was Kathleen A.Rathdonnell ( Bunbury) of Lisnavagh.] Carlow Sentinel, May 1919. BRITISH RED CROSS. Rathvilly and Hacketstown District. Part proceeds Rathvilly R.C. Church Collection per Rev. J. O' Callaghan -- £2 - 8 shillings. Hacketstown Church Collection per Rev. C.S. Ellison-----------------------£1 - 17 shillings. Part proceeds Fete at Lisnavagh-----------------------------------------------------£50 -- Part proceeds Concert at D'Israeli School per Mrs Anderson--------------£11 --6 shillings L.H.Poe -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------£1.--one shilling. Miss Green, -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------12 shillings. Rev. Ellison and Mrs. Ellison............................................................5 shillings. Mrs. Earl.........................................................................................2 shillings and six pence. Under 2/6 (two shillings and six pence) Mrs. Taylor, Parkin Recipe. OUR DAY. Part proceeds of Fete at Lisnavagh Autograph Quilt-----------------------------£18--one shilling. Hacketstown Church, per Rev. Ellison-------------------------------------------------£3 -- eleven shillings. Hacketstown School, per Rev. Ellison--------------------------------------------------£1----three shillings. Lisnavagh, Sale of Game -------------------------------------------------------------------£7--twelve shillings. Etc. IRISH COUNTIES' WAR HOSPITAL, COUNTY CARLOW WARD. Lord Rathdonnell, £50. Lady Rathdonnell, £10. L.H.Poe £5. Hon. T.L. McClintock-Bunbury £1. Very Rev. J. Delaney, P.P., V.F. Etc. PRISONERS' OF WAR FUNDS. Leinster Regiment, £56. Royal Dublin Fusiliers, £72. South Irish Horse, £25. OTHERS. Nation's tribute to Nurses, £10. Belgian Relief Fund, £5. Instructional Workshops, Military Orthopedic Hospital, Blackrock, £36. National Egg Collection, 2,712 Eggs. Men's Work, Lisnavagh --- 18 Bed-rests, 6 Bed Tables, 20 Crutches. K.A, RATHDONNELL, President County Carlow Branch. ________________________________ Death. Glover --- On Wednesday, May 21st 1919, in Montreal, Canada, at the age of 22 years, Henry Victor, youngest son of the late John Geo. Glover, Carlow, Ireland, and Mrs. Glover, 3163 St. James Street, West, Montreal.

previous email escaped before I was finished... for a "half-pint" glasses there was a 9 -10 or 12 Ounce Tumbler, thick and flat-bottomed...nothing fancy , idea was to supply serviceable ware to pubs and customers ...that one could wash and dry easily without breaking, it was common to be served a "cracked" glass with drinks....

No stiens........in fact the odd pewter mug on the shelf or hanging on hooks ..., although some people brought their own pewter mug or left it behind the bar but only for their own use .... .... , heavy to lift (even when empty) , thick Imperial Pint frosted-glasses ( I have a collection)...odd small spirit glasses , some bowl-shaped...there was also a small pewter spirit holder called a cropper (hence a cropper of whiskey , meaning a "half-one" ). two pewter spirit measures, one for a half-one and larger size for "a glass" ( hence a "half-a-whiskey" or a " glass of whiskey" ).....bottles usually were of earthenware variety....there was a good turn-of-century pub-display in Carlow County Museum , I gave some glasses and bottles to that for display....I would suggest contacting the Abbey Theatre but they rarely reply to enquiries of this nature On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Turtle Bunbury <turtle@turtlebunbury.com>wrote: > Here's a question for all the pub spies out there ... and I'm afraid I > don't know the answer! > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "" <rtcash@bigplanet.com> > > Date: 23 March 2010 05:38:40 GMT > > To: turtle@turtlebunbury.com > > Subject: Enquiry from turtlebunbury.com > > Reply-To: "" <rtcash@bigplanet.com> > > > > This message was sent from: > > http://www.turtlebunbury.com/contact.html > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > NAME: Renee Cash > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > EMAIL: rtcash@bigplanet.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > SUBJECT: Enquiry from turtlebunbury.com > > > > ------------------------- MESSAGE ------------------------- > > > > I am working on the play "playboy of the western world" and I am > > trying to make the props accurate. Namely the drinkware. Could you > > help me?? Would they have had glass beer mugs or stiens in a pub > > circa 1900?? > > Thank you > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mike, The custom of bringing your own mug was also popular in Germany. The usual thing was to have a section of wall for storing the mugs of regular patrons. Bye for now, Roger P.S. I seem to recall having seen this sort of display at the Münchener Hofbrauhaus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Fwd: Enquiry from turtlebunbury.com > No stiens........in fact the odd pewter mug on the shelf or hanging on > hooks > ..., although some people brought their own pewter mug or left it behind > the > bar but only for their own use .... .... , heavy to lift (even when empty) > , > thick Imperial Pint frosted-glasses > ( I have a collection)...odd small spirit glasses , some > bowl-shaped...there > was also a small pewter spirit holder called a cropper (hence a cropper of > whiskey , meaning a "half-one" ). two pewter spirit measures, one for a > half-one and larger size for "a glass" ( hence a "half-a-whiskey" or a " > glass of whiskey" ).....bottles usually were of earthenware > variety....there > was a good turn-of-century pub-display in Carlow County Museum , I gave > some > glasses and bottles to that for display....I would suggest contacting the > Abbey Theatre but they rarely reply to enquiries of this nature > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Turtle Bunbury > <turtle@turtlebunbury.com>wrote: > >> Here's a question for all the pub spies out there ... and I'm afraid I >> don't know the answer! >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> > From: "" <rtcash@bigplanet.com> >> > Date: 23 March 2010 05:38:40 GMT >> > To: turtle@turtlebunbury.com >> > Subject: Enquiry from turtlebunbury.com >> > Reply-To: "" <rtcash@bigplanet.com> >> > >> > This message was sent from: >> > http://www.turtlebunbury.com/contact.html >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >> > NAME: Renee Cash >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >> > EMAIL: rtcash@bigplanet.com >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >> > SUBJECT: Enquiry from turtlebunbury.com >> > >> > ------------------------- MESSAGE ------------------------- >> > >> > I am working on the play "playboy of the western world" and I am >> > trying to make the props accurate. Namely the drinkware. Could you >> > help me?? Would they have had glass beer mugs or stiens in a pub >> > circa 1900?? >> > Thank you >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe >> to the List. Its FREE! >> --------------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the >> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Here's a question for all the pub spies out there ... and I'm afraid I don't know the answer! Begin forwarded message: > From: "" <rtcash@bigplanet.com> > Date: 23 March 2010 05:38:40 GMT > To: turtle@turtlebunbury.com > Subject: Enquiry from turtlebunbury.com > Reply-To: "" <rtcash@bigplanet.com> > > This message was sent from: > http://www.turtlebunbury.com/contact.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > NAME: Renee Cash > ------------------------------------------------------------ > EMAIL: rtcash@bigplanet.com > ------------------------------------------------------------ > SUBJECT: Enquiry from turtlebunbury.com > > ------------------------- MESSAGE ------------------------- > > I am working on the play "playboy of the western world" and I am > trying to make the props accurate. Namely the drinkware. Could you > help me?? Would they have had glass beer mugs or stiens in a pub > circa 1900?? > Thank you > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > >

Lt Foley appears on the Carlow Memorial  (age at 25)     Foley Michael Alphonsus  Lt Leinster Regiment 25-4-1919 age 25         --- El lun, 22/3/10, michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> escribió: De: michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> Asunto: [IRL-CARLOW] Egypt. Roll of Honour. Para: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Fecha: lunes, 22 de marzo, 2010 21:10 Carlow Sentinel, May10th 1919. ROLL OF HONOUR. LIEUTENANT M.A. FOLEY. A very deep and wide-spread regret was caused to his many relatives and friends in Carlow, his native county, by the announcement of the death of Lieutenant M.A. Foley, while serving with the Leinster Regiment in Egypt, at the age of 22. He was a son of Mr. Michael Foley, J.P. Leighlin House, and nephew  the Lord Bishop of Kildare and Leighlin, and Rev. Dr. Foley, President of Carlow College. When the war broke out he was a student of the University College, Dublin. He received his commission in 1916, and was on active service from that time until the time of his death. At Monday's meeting of Carlow Urban District Council a resolution of sympathy was passed to Mr. and Mrs. Foley, and other members of the family, and a fitting tribute paid to the memory of deceased. ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com  with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dispensations were also required and granted when closely related cousins (3, 4th, etc) were to marry.  These were seen in Canadian marriages in Ontario and Quebec.  ----- Original Message ---- From: Deborah Fox <deborahlargefox@gmail.com> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 4:01:39 AM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] marriage dispensations Re: RC dispensations for marriage out of faith. My experiences were in the US, not Ireland, but do give an idea of the papers required recently for a marriage to another faith.  As late as 1980, I needed one dispensation for marrying out of the faith (Jewish), one for marrying outside of a church, and my priest needed some kind of permission to cross Diocesan boundaries to participate in the ceremony with a rabbi.  I had to sign a paper stating my intentions to use best efforts (some kind of wording like that) to raise the children RC.     In the 1940's, my aunts were given dispensations to marry Protestants, but the weddings were performed in the rectory. I did, however, have the option of holding my ceremony in a church. Deborah DEBORAH LARGE FOX Read my blog for Irish research tips: "Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors!" http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com  with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Note added in 2010. Despite the fact that Fox- Hunting and Race Meetings were abandoned all over Ireland, the organisers having yielded to pressure from Sinn Fein, the Carlow Hunt Club advertised a Race Meeting for April 31st 1919. This was to be the first of many encounters during the War of Independence between the Gentry of the county and Sinn Fein. Carlow Sentinel. April 12th , 1919. CARLOW HUNT AND SPORTMAN'S RACES. to be run OVER A COURSE AT BALLYBAR. MONDAY APRIL 31st 1919. STEWARDS. W.H.Grogan, Master Fox Hounds. Lord Rathdonnell, Michael Governey, Henry Bruen, Capt. W.F. Forbes, Resident Magistrate ; . R.F. Bagenal, Colonel H. Eustace-Duckett, Major Alexander, J.Fenton, Denis R.Pack-Beresford, H. Alexander, R.L. Pike, R.W.Hall-Dare, Col. R. Browne-Clayton, D.S.O. ; General B. Lewis, D.S.O., C.B. Judge -- General R. Lewis D.S.O., C.B. ; Starter -- Richard Fenton. Clerk of the Scales and Course --- H.Herring-Cooper. Hon.Sec.-- H.Herring-Cooper. Riders to wear hunting costume. _______________________________ Carlow Sentinel. April 19th. 1919. CARLOW HUNT RACES ABANDONED. The Committee of the Carlow Hunt Sportsman's Races have been forced to abandon the fixture for Easter Monday. The popularity of this sporting event has not lessened, but unfortunately the efforts of a section of the community to force politics into the hunting field have been sufficiently successful to compel the Stewards of the Hunt Club to cancel many fixtures, including amongst others such favourites meets as those of Punchestown and Fairyhouse, patronised by sporting men all the country over, while for the same reason, minor events have had to follow suit. All the preliminaries for the Carlow races, which were looked forward to by the Easter holiday makers, were completed when the obstructionists intervened, making it a condition that the Stewards should sign a petition in connection with the treatment of political prisoners. This condition, needless to say could not under the rules of the National Hunt Club be complied with, and consequently they had no alternative but that of abandoning the races --- a decision which will necessarily prove a great disappointment to the community at large.

Carlow Sentinel, May10th 1919. ROLL OF HONOUR. LIEUTENANT M.A. FOLEY. A very deep and wide-spread regret was caused to his many relatives and friends in Carlow, his native county, by the announcement of the death of Lieutenant M.A. Foley, while serving with the Leinster Regiment in Egypt, at the age of 22. He was a son of Mr. Michael Foley, J.P. Leighlin House, and nephew the Lord Bishop of Kildare and Leighlin, and Rev. Dr. Foley, President of Carlow College. When the war broke out he was a student of the University College, Dublin. He received his commission in 1916, and was on active service from that time until the time of his death. At Monday's meeting of Carlow Urban District Council a resolution of sympathy was passed to Mr. and Mrs. Foley, and other members of the family, and a fitting tribute paid to the memory of deceased.

Note added in 2010. Despite the fact that Fox- Hunting and Race Meetings were abandoned all over Ireland, the organisers having yielded to pressure from Sinn Fein, the Carlow Hunt Club advertised a Race Meeting for April 31st 1919. This was to be the first of many encounters during the War of Independence between the Gentry of the county and Sinn Fein. Carlow Sentinel. April 12th , 1919. CARLOW HUNT AND SPORTMAN'S RACES. to be run OVER A COURSE AT BALLYBAR. MONDAY APRIL 31st 1919. STEWARDS. W.H.Grogan, Master Fox Hounds. Lord Rathdonnell, Michael Governey, Henry Bruen, Capt. W.F. Forbes, Resident Magistrate ; . R.F. Bagenal, Colonel H. Eustace-Duckett, Major Alexander, J.Fenton, Denis R.Pack-Beresford, H. Alexander, R.L. Pike, R.W.Hall-Dare, Col. R. Browne-Clayton, D.S.O. ; General B. Lewis, D.S.O., C.B. Judge -- General R. Lewis D.S.O., C.B. ; Starter -- Richard Fenton. Clerk of the Scales and Course --- H.Herring-Cooper. Hon.Sec.-- H.Herring-Cooper. Riders to wear hunting costume. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carlow Sentinel. April 19th. 1919. CARLOW HUNT RACES ABANDONED. The Committee of the Carlow Hunt Sportsman's Races have been forced to abandon the fixture for Easter Monday. The popularity of this sporting event has not lessened, but unfortunately the efforts of a section of the community to force politics into the hunting field have been sufficiently successful to compel the Stewards of the Hunt Club to cancel many fixtures, including amongst others such favourites meets as those of Punchestown and Fairyhouse, patronised by sporting men all the country over, while for the same reason, minor events have had to follow suit. All the preliminaries for the Carlow races, which were looked forward to by the Easter holiday makers, were completed when the obstructionists intervened, making it a condition that the Stewards should sign a petition in connection with the treatment of political prisoners. This condition, needless to say could not under the rules of the National Hunt Club be complied with, and consequently they had no alternative but that of abandoning the races --- a decision which will necessarily prove a great disappointment to the community at large.

Hi Michael This latest one has added another mystery to the Carlow War Memorial as this Jame Kane Smith is not listed.  Another name to add to the Missing names page.   However with him been award a Military Cross MC he is a bit easier to find more information   This is from London Gazette 9th of January 1918   T./2nd Lt. James Kane-Smith, R.F.A. For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. When his battery was being heavily shelled he showed a total disregard for his personal safety in moving from gun-pit to gun-pit encouraging the men. He was in charge of the guns at the time, and although himself wounded, by his fearlessness and determination he rallied the men and maintained the accuracy of the fire of the battery. He also arranged for the wounded to be cleared before allowing his own wound to be dressed.   --- El lun, 22/3/10, michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> escribió: De: michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> Asunto: [IRL-CARLOW] Great War, Roll of Honour. Para: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Fecha: lunes, 22 de marzo, 2010 18:59 Carlow Sentinel. May 17th 1919. ROLL OF HONOUR. LIEUT. JAMES KANE-SMITH, M.C. We regret to find amongst the official causality list this week the death of this gallant young Carlow soldier, who was eldest son of Mr and Mrs Kane-Smith, Little Moyle. He was attached to the R.F.A., and some months back was reported wounded and missing, but hopes of recovery were entertained up to the last. He was awarded the M.C. for distinguished services, while his kind and genial disposition made him a fast favourite amongst his many friends, who mourn his loss, and sympathise deeply with his bereaved parents. ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com  with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carlow Sentinel. May 17th 1919. ROLL OF HONOUR. LIEUT. JAMES KANE-SMITH, M.C. We regret to find amongst the official causality list this week the death of this gallant young Carlow soldier, who was eldest son of Mr and Mrs Kane-Smith, Little Moyle. He was attached to the R.F.A., and some months back was reported wounded and missing, but hopes of recovery were entertained up to the last. He was awarded the M.C. for distinguished services, while his kind and genial disposition made him a fast favourite amongst his many friends, who mourn his loss, and sympathise deeply with his bereaved parents.

Re: RC dispensations for marriage out of faith. My experiences were in the US, not Ireland, but do give an idea of the papers required recently for a marriage to another faith. As late as 1980, I needed one dispensation for marrying out of the faith (Jewish), one for marrying outside of a church, and my priest needed some kind of permission to cross Diocesan boundaries to participate in the ceremony with a rabbi. I had to sign a paper stating my intentions to use best efforts (some kind of wording like that) to raise the children RC. In the 1940's, my aunts were given dispensations to marry Protestants, but the weddings were performed in the rectory. I did, however, have the option of holding my ceremony in a church. Deborah DEBORAH LARGE FOX Read my blog for Irish research tips: "Help! The Faerie Folk Hid My Ancestors!" http://irishfamilyresearch.blogspot.com

There were two men named John Bowles, one was very early, register number 1707 which was between 1816 and 1835. The most relevant one had a register number of 52602, dates between 8/8/1883 and 10/4/1888. I should have acknowledged that this information is extracted from Jim Herlihy's massive work on the Royal Irish Constabulary. A complete alphabetical list of officers and men, 1816 to 1922. On 22 March 2010 03:43, Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> wrote: > I meant to ask. When you looked up John Boles did you also look for any > John Bowles? Boles = Bowles generally. > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JJ Woods > Sent: 21 March 2010 16:49 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. > > Apparently there were two men named John Boles in the RIC. > > The registration number of one was 18147 which meant he was recruited > between 19/10/1853 and 23/4/1855. > > The second registration number was 30634, recruitment dates between > 19/10/1863 and 8/11/1865. > > Assuming an age of 20 and taking the latest registration date when > recruited > that would mean the first man was approximately 84 in 1919 and the second > man was approximately 74. It is therefore unlikely either of them was on > active service in 1919. > > Constable Henry Skehin's registration number was 67953, recruitment dates > between 16/12/1912 and 15/2/1917. > > There was a John Bole, registration number 13416 for dates between > 12/9/1848 > and 12/6/1850. > > There was an Auxiliary Force with recruitment between 15/12/1881 and > 21/11/1882 and an Auxiliary Division between 23/7/1920 and 5/12/1921. > > I don't know if this information adds much to the discussion but it might. > > J. J. > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Linda Here is an example of Births and the following Baptism for each from a protestant family living in Co Carlow in the mid 1800's. born on the 8th June 1851 baptised on the 3rd August 1851 born on the 22nd November 1852 baptised on the 19th June 1853. born on the 15th September 1854 baptised on the 8th January 1855. born on the 5th August 1856 baptised on the 26th October 1856 born on the 9th September 1859 baptised on the 10th October 1859 born on the 13th August 1861 baptised on the 1st January 1862 born on the 13 April 1864 baptised on the 26th June 1864 born on the 26 December 1865 baptised on the 24th April 1866 born on the 1st August 1868 baptised on the 14th October 1868. Susie > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:12:20 -0700 > From: "Linda Shipman" <leshipman1@att.net> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] General question about baptisms > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <0B82F4DE97184C70AAF9DD9A1576E5AE@Linda> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > I would like to know if it was common in Carlow (around the late 1700's to > early 1800's) for newborns to be baptised right after birth...or was it > common to wait for a period of time? In America, it often happened that > newborns had to await their baptism (sometimes for years) because of no > church or official to do the baptismal. > > Thank you for any comments. > Linda > > ------------------------------

Very much appreciated, J.J. The John Bowles with register number 52602 seems to be the best candidate for John Boles, special constable at Myshall in 1919. There is a RIC Forum so I'm going to take this inquiry over there to bother those good people for a bit. I'll post the results back here later. Thanks Tom -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JJ Woods Sent: 22 March 2010 03:48 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. There were two men named John Bowles, one was very early, register number 1707 which was between 1816 and 1835. The most relevant one had a register number of 52602, dates between 8/8/1883 and 10/4/1888. I should have acknowledged that this information is extracted from Jim Herlihy's massive work on the Royal Irish Constabulary. A complete alphabetical list of officers and men, 1816 to 1922.

Apparently there were two men named John Boles in the RIC. The registration number of one was 18147 which meant he was recruited between 19/10/1853 and 23/4/1855. The second registration number was 30634, recruitment dates between 19/10/1863 and 8/11/1865. Assuming an age of 20 and taking the latest registration date when recruited that would mean the first man was approximately 84 in 1919 and the second man was approximately 74. It is therefore unlikely either of them was on active service in 1919. Constable Henry Skehin's registration number was 67953, recruitment dates between 16/12/1912 and 15/2/1917. There was a John Bole, registration number 13416 for dates between 12/9/1848 and 12/6/1850. There was an Auxiliary Force with recruitment between 15/12/1881 and 21/11/1882 and an Auxiliary Division between 23/7/1920 and 5/12/1921. I don't know if this information adds much to the discussion but it might. J. J.

I meant to ask. When you looked up John Boles did you also look for any John Bowles? Boles = Bowles generally. -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JJ Woods Sent: 21 March 2010 16:49 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Boles in Myshall 1919. Apparently there were two men named John Boles in the RIC. The registration number of one was 18147 which meant he was recruited between 19/10/1853 and 23/4/1855. The second registration number was 30634, recruitment dates between 19/10/1863 and 8/11/1865. Assuming an age of 20 and taking the latest registration date when recruited that would mean the first man was approximately 84 in 1919 and the second man was approximately 74. It is therefore unlikely either of them was on active service in 1919. Constable Henry Skehin's registration number was 67953, recruitment dates between 16/12/1912 and 15/2/1917. There was a John Bole, registration number 13416 for dates between 12/9/1848 and 12/6/1850. There was an Auxiliary Force with recruitment between 15/12/1881 and 21/11/1882 and an Auxiliary Division between 23/7/1920 and 5/12/1921. I don't know if this information adds much to the discussion but it might. J. J. ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message