At school we were told that according to R.C. Church teaching, Baptism was the only Sacrament that could be performed by a lay person, and if that was done the child could not be baptised again. For instance when Pat Purcell was born in Killeshin in 1896, it was thought he was in danger of death so he was baptised by the "handy woman" ( midwife !). At a later date his baptism was entered in the Church Register and "conditionally" was entered in the comments section.... Pat was baptised within an hour of his birth , he lived for another 99 years. In the early Registers for Carlow Cathedral ( 1789 >) it appears that only those who paid for the baptism were recorded, usually with the comment "Paid one shilling, one penny" I intend to have a look at those Registers again soon and will share the content with the List. There is also evidence that in many cases the baptisms were entered not by the priest but by a clerk of even the priest's housekeeper...( a practice continued up to recent times ) we often came across scrapes of paper in registers with details of a baptism only to find that the baptism was never recorded in the Register. On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Jackie <jackie005@talktalk.net> wrote: > Morning Cara, > > I'm finding this topic so interesting and just to add my tuppence worth> > > I have my great grandmothers daughter Annie Lydia Linehan born England 1907 > but her birth wasn't registered until several months later in Dublin, > there's a possibility that she was in hospital and her birth had to be > registered so that she could receive treatment. > The family were travelling show people which could have been the reason the > birth wasn't registered immediately. > > Also I have never discovered where my father Alan Francis Brennan was born > , I've tried everywhere but there doesn't appear to be a birth > registration. > Dad was born 1925. > I have discovered that he was Confirmed in Raphoe 1934, he wasn't baptized > there but must have been baptized somewhere in order to be Confirmed. > My father's family were also travelling show people. > > I'm told that Dad would have had some kind of registration birth or baptism > in order for him to marry and join the Army but after 10 years of searching > I still haven't found anything. > > > Regards Jackie Colson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cara_Links" <Cara_Links@bigpond.com> > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:54 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] General question about baptisms > > > > My experience shows me that in Ireland the RC child was almost baptised > from > > the womb, either by someone within the home or the current priest, with > > Church of Ireland it was a little different they seemed to have a waiting > > time to baptise them, but early when mortality rate was higher, it > appears > > they also baptised as close to birth as possible. > > > > I have to say that I doubt that a child waited to baptised anywhere if > there > > was someone who was concerned the child may die they baptised that said > > child immediately so if they waited in America to be baptised they must > have > > been born of good stock. ( which is good) > > > > > > Cheers > > Cara > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Linda Shipman" <leshipman1@att.net> > > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 4:12 AM > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] General question about baptisms > > > > > >>I would like to know if it was common in Carlow (around the late 1700's > to > >>early 1800's) for newborns to be baptised right after birth...or was it > >>common to wait for a period of time? In America, it often happened that > >>newborns had to await their baptism (sometimes for years) because of no > >>church or official to do the baptismal. > >> > >> Thank you for any comments. > >> Linda > >> ======================================= > >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > >> subscribe to the List. 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On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Jackie <jackie005@talktalk.net> wrote: > Morning Cara, > > I'm finding this topic so interesting and just to add my tuppence worth> > > I have my great grandmothers daughter Annie Lydia Linehan born England 1907 > but her birth wasn't registered until several months later in Dublin, > there's a possibility that she was in hospital and her birth had to be > registered so that she could receive treatment. > The family were travelling show people which could have been the reason the > birth wasn't registered immediately. > > Also I have never discovered where my father Alan Francis Brennan was born > , I've tried everywhere but there doesn't appear to be a birth > registration. > Dad was born 1925. > I have discovered that he was Confirmed in Raphoe 1934, he wasn't baptized > there but must have been baptized somewhere in order to be Confirmed. > My father's family were also travelling show people. > > I'm told that Dad would have had some kind of registration birth or baptism > in order for him to marry and join the Army but after 10 years of searching > I still haven't found anything. > > > Regards Jackie Colson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cara_Links" <Cara_Links@bigpond.com> > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:54 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] General question about baptisms > > > > My experience shows me that in Ireland the RC child was almost baptised > from > > the womb, either by someone within the home or the current priest, with > > Church of Ireland it was a little different they seemed to have a waiting > > time to baptise them, but early when mortality rate was higher, it > appears > > they also baptised as close to birth as possible. > > > > I have to say that I doubt that a child waited to baptised anywhere if > there > > was someone who was concerned the child may die they baptised that said > > child immediately so if they waited in America to be baptised they must > have > > been born of good stock. ( which is good) > > > > > > Cheers > > Cara > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Linda Shipman" <leshipman1@att.net> > > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 4:12 AM > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] General question about baptisms > > > > > >>I would like to know if it was common in Carlow (around the late 1700's > to > >>early 1800's) for newborns to be baptised right after birth...or was it > >>common to wait for a period of time? In America, it often happened that > >>newborns had to await their baptism (sometimes for years) because of no > >>church or official to do the baptismal. > >> > >> Thank you for any comments. > >> Linda > >> ======================================= > >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > >> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > >> --------------------------------------- > >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > >> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2761 - Release Date: 03/21/10 > > 07:33:00 > > > > ======================================= > > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > > --------------------------------------- > > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Morning Cara, I'm finding this topic so interesting and just to add my tuppence worth> I have my great grandmothers daughter Annie Lydia Linehan born England 1907 but her birth wasn't registered until several months later in Dublin, there's a possibility that she was in hospital and her birth had to be registered so that she could receive treatment. The family were travelling show people which could have been the reason the birth wasn't registered immediately. Also I have never discovered where my father Alan Francis Brennan was born , I've tried everywhere but there doesn't appear to be a birth registration. Dad was born 1925. I have discovered that he was Confirmed in Raphoe 1934, he wasn't baptized there but must have been baptized somewhere in order to be Confirmed. My father's family were also travelling show people. I'm told that Dad would have had some kind of registration birth or baptism in order for him to marry and join the Army but after 10 years of searching I still haven't found anything. Regards Jackie Colson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <Cara_Links@bigpond.com> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] General question about baptisms > My experience shows me that in Ireland the RC child was almost baptised from > the womb, either by someone within the home or the current priest, with > Church of Ireland it was a little different they seemed to have a waiting > time to baptise them, but early when mortality rate was higher, it appears > they also baptised as close to birth as possible. > > I have to say that I doubt that a child waited to baptised anywhere if there > was someone who was concerned the child may die they baptised that said > child immediately so if they waited in America to be baptised they must have > been born of good stock. ( which is good) > > > Cheers > Cara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Shipman" <leshipman1@att.net> > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 4:12 AM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] General question about baptisms > > >>I would like to know if it was common in Carlow (around the late 1700's to >>early 1800's) for newborns to be baptised right after birth...or was it >>common to wait for a period of time? In America, it often happened that >>newborns had to await their baptism (sometimes for years) because of no >>church or official to do the baptismal. >> >> Thank you for any comments. >> Linda >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >> --------------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the >> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2761 - Release Date: 03/21/10 > 07:33:00 > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I will research him out, all the best Terry --- El jue, 25/3/10, michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> escribió: De: michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> Asunto: [IRL-CARLOW] Military interest anyone ? Para: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Fecha: jueves, 25 de marzo, 2010 19:50 it would be interesting to learn what became of the most recent "Roll of Honour"  recipient :-- Lieut-Colonel C.C. Mcdowell, D.S.O. Maybe Terry Curran might track him , mick P.S. The heading  "ROLL OF HONOUR" is as it appears on the Carlow Sentinel. ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com  with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

it would be interesting to learn what became of the most recent "Roll of Honour" recipient :-- Lieut-Colonel C.C. Mcdowell, D.S.O. Maybe Terry Curran might track him , mick P.S. The heading "ROLL OF HONOUR" is as it appears on the Carlow Sentinel.

Carlow Sentinel, June 14th 1919. Lieut-Colonel C.C. Macdowell, D.S.O. (Major Reserve of Officers Royal Artillery). Son of the late C.W. Macdowell, M.D. of Otter Holt, Kilkenny Road, Carlow has been appointed in the recent Kings Birthday Honours, a companion of the Order of St. Michael and St. George, for his services in the final advance on Mons where he commanded four Brigades of Artillery. Col. Macdowell after serving in the early days of the war, as second-in-command of the 6th Battalion Royal Highlanders (The Black Watch) through the battles of Festubut and Neuve Chappelle, 1915, was selected to command the 281st Brigade, R.F.A., in November 1915, and has continued in command of this brigade on the Western front since that date. The D.S.O. was awarded to him for his services in the battle of the Somme. He commanded a group of artillery in all the great battles of the years 1916, 1917, 1918, including Arras Cambrai, Vimy Ridge, Ypres, Langemark, Bapaume, St. Quentin and Mons. Colonel Macdowell's eldest son, Captain C.M.V. Macdowell , 6th Royal Highlanders, died of wounds received at Gavrelle, during the first battle of Arras, 1917, after serving with the famous 51st (Highland) Division in France since early in 1915, he was only 19 and a half years, when he was killed.

Hi, Tinahely is five miles from Shillelagh - Stranakelly is approx. 4 miles from Shillelagh. Cheers Phil. -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Webster Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2010 9:47 AM To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Hopkins, Halpin. 1807 "To John & Benj. Hopkins, and John Halpin, jun. To repair 73 perches (about 400 yards) from Tinnahaly to Carlow, between the widow Hopkins's haggard and a thorn bush on Lau. Fallon's ditch on Stratnakelly, £14/12/-." Anyone know where this may have been or who these people were? Was it in Carlow or Wicklow County? I think it was in the Half Barony of Shillelagh but not sure where that was. From reading the pages surrounding, I get the impression that, for smaller contracts like this, payments were made to locals to repair/build the road near their own property. [Source: Accounts, Presented to the House of Commons Presentments Passed by Grand Juries of Ireland. County of Wicklow. Spring Assizes 1807 p.443] Bill ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

New York Herald New York 15th July 1893 WALSH On July 12th ANN BOLGER late of Dunleckney Co Carlow beloved wife of JOHN WALSH aged 46 yrs. Funeral on Sat July 15th at 10am from No 387 3d av to St Stephen's Church east 28th St Interment in Calvary Cemetery. _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

New York Herald New York 25th Nov 1876 BOLGER On Thursday 23rd KATE BOLGER native of Tullow Co Carlow Relatives and friends are invited to attend the funeral Sat 25th from her residence 223 East 53d St at 1pm sharp. _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

New York Herald New York 11th July 1877 RAFTER On Mon July 9th 1877 JOHANNA RAFTER in the 48 yr of her age, a native of Castletown Co Carlow Ireland. Her friends and those of her cousin Mary Foreman are respectfully invited to attend her funeral from the residence of her cousin Mrs Foreman on Wed 11th at 1pm. _________________________________________________________________ Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

ROLL OF HONOUR. Carlow Sentinel, February 6th 1919. Midshipman J.D.A. Lane, R.N.R. Midshipman J.D.A. Lane, Royal Navy Reserve, aged 19, whose grandfather is well known and highly esteemed in Carlow, was drowned whilst on offensive patrol with the C.M.B.'s. on October 15th 1918, was the only son of Captain H. Angell Lane, R.A.M.C., H.M.A.T., of Chelsea and Formoss (?). He was a Cadet on O.T.S.'s "Port Jackson" and "Midway" , joined the Navy in 1916, and spent the winter of 1917--18 on a destroyer in the North Sea. He had the sailor's intuition that he would not live to hear Peace proclaimed, and left this message :--- If all of us at sea were to die, it would be a small price to pay for the freedom of our country from invasion, so I hope you will not be unhappy but as glad and proud as I am.

[ Note added 2010. The headline for this reads "Sinn Feiners and Raiding" I assume it should have been " Sinn Fein and Racing", nevertheless "Sportsman" strikes a chord. ] Carlow Sentinel, March 1919. Sinn Feiners and Raiding. Declaring Sinn Fein to be responsible for the abandoning of the Tuam Race meeting, the "Sportsman" writes :-- Presumably their chief ground for objection to the race meeting at Tuam is that the entire profits were to be given to the County Galway, Comrades of the Great War " OUR DAY" Fund and that those wounded in the fight for freedom against the tyranny of Potsdam would have reaped some benefit. Such an attitude is as foolish as that of the Suffragettes who a few years ago attempted to stop the Derby and Ascot Gold Cup from being run.

I think it might be near a marvelous old style pub called The Dying Cow in Co. Wicklow, a popular spot for those walking the Wicklow Way to pause for refreshments. Will investigate further. On 23 Mar 2010, at 22:46, Bill Webster wrote: > "To John & Benj. Hopkins, and John Halpin, jun. To repair 73 > perches (about > 400 yards) from Tinnahaly to Carlow, between the widow Hopkins's > haggard and > a thorn bush on Lau. Fallon's ditch on Stratnakelly, £14/12/-." > > > Anyone know where this may have been or who these people were? Was > it in > Carlow or Wicklow County? I think it was in the Half Barony of > Shillelagh > but not sure where that was. From reading the pages surrounding, I > get the > impression that, for smaller contracts like this, payments were made > to > locals to repair/build the road near their own property. > > [Source: Accounts, Presented to the House of Commons > Presentments Passed by Grand Juries of Ireland. County of Wicklow. > Spring > Assizes 1807 p.443] > > Bill > > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. > No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

"To John & Benj. Hopkins, and John Halpin, jun. To repair 73 perches (about 400 yards) from Tinnahaly to Carlow, between the widow Hopkins's haggard and a thorn bush on Lau. Fallon's ditch on Stratnakelly, £14/12/-." Anyone know where this may have been or who these people were? Was it in Carlow or Wicklow County? I think it was in the Half Barony of Shillelagh but not sure where that was. From reading the pages surrounding, I get the impression that, for smaller contracts like this, payments were made to locals to repair/build the road near their own property. [Source: Accounts, Presented to the House of Commons Presentments Passed by Grand Juries of Ireland. County of Wicklow. Spring Assizes 1807 p.443] Bill

you are right Turtle, it should read Katherine A. Rathdonnell, thanks for your comments , much appreciated, mick On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Turtle Bunbury <turtle@turtlebunbury.com>wrote: > Many thanks for this Mick. All fascinating to me. I think 'Kathleen A. > Rathdonnell' should probably read 'Katherine' - she was one of the > Bruens of Oak Park and married Tom Bunbury (later Lord Rathdonnell) in > 1876. I believe she was instrumental in sending soup wagons to > Rathvilly during the Spanish Flu epidemic earlier in that year. > > I have seen a certificate given to someone for their help in the > National Egg Collection. I have also seen one of the quilts sold at a > Lisnavagh fete, perhaps this one although I'm not sure what an > "Autograph Quilt" is!? > > I feel like I am now living parallel lives, 2010 and one in 1919-1921 > but I am very much enjoying this snippet updates. They really do slows > history right down to a pace where you can see how things might have > unfurled the way they did. > > Incidentally, I wrote a story about the Irish tricolor which was > hoisted over the GPO in 1916 and went on sale in New York today. My > story ran in yesterday's Irish Daily Mail and can be read here: > http://www.turtlebunbury.com/history/history_irish/history_irish_flag.htm > As it happens, the flag did not sell today. > > Best wishes, > > Turtle > > Turtle Bunbury > www.turtlebunbury.com > Old Fort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland > Mob: + 353 - (0) 87 - 6453 486 > Skype: turtle1847 > > Turtle Bunbury is a best-selling author and travel writer based in > Ireland. He has lately launched www.HistoryinaBook.com<http://www.historyinabook.com/>which offers an > innovative way to transform your family history into a compelling > read. Turtle's seventh book, Vanishing Ireland - Further Chronicles of > a Disappearing World, with photographer James Fennell, was the top- > selling Picture Book in Ireland over Christmas 2009. > > On 23 Mar 2010, at 17:31, michael purcell wrote: > > > [ Note added 2010. About this time a new directive was issued from > > Sinn > > Fein in Carlow requesting that fund raising activities for veterans > > of the > > Great War were not to be approved or supported. It was further > > requested > > that dances or events organised by the "Comrades of the Great War" > > were not > > to be approved or supported. > > The following collections were recorded in The Sentinel. The total > > collected > > in the Rathvilly / Hacketstown area for May, 1919 was £501, twelve > > shillings > > and eleven pence. The President and main fund-raiser was Kathleen > > A.Rathdonnell ( Bunbury) of Lisnavagh.] > > Carlow Sentinel, May 1919. > > BRITISH RED CROSS. > > Rathvilly and Hacketstown District. > > Part proceeds Rathvilly R.C. Church Collection per Rev. J. O' > > Callaghan -- > > £2 - 8 shillings. > > Hacketstown Church Collection per Rev. C.S. > > Ellison-----------------------£1 > > - 17 shillings. > > Part proceeds Fete at > > Lisnavagh-----------------------------------------------------£50 -- > > Part proceeds Concert at D'Israeli School per Mrs > > Anderson--------------£11 > > --6 shillings > > L.H.Poe > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------£ > > 1.--one > > shilling. > > Miss Green, > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------12 > > shillings. > > Rev. Ellison and Mrs. > > Ellison............................................................5 > > shillings. > > Mrs. > > Earl > > > .........................................................................................2 > > shillings and six pence. > > Under 2/6 (two shillings and six pence) Mrs. Taylor, Parkin Recipe. > > OUR DAY. > > Part proceeds of Fete at Lisnavagh Autograph > > Quilt-----------------------------£18--one shilling. > > Hacketstown Church, per Rev. > > Ellison-------------------------------------------------£3 -- eleven > > shillings. > > Hacketstown School, per Rev. > > Ellison--------------------------------------------------£1----three > > shillings. > > Lisnavagh, Sale of Game > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > £7--twelve > > shillings. > > Etc. > > IRISH COUNTIES' WAR HOSPITAL, COUNTY CARLOW WARD. > > Lord Rathdonnell, £50. > > Lady Rathdonnell, £10. > > L.H.Poe £5. > > Hon. T.L. McClintock-Bunbury £1. > > Very Rev. J. Delaney, P.P., V.F. Etc. > > PRISONERS' OF WAR FUNDS. > > Leinster Regiment, £56. > > Royal Dublin Fusiliers, £72. > > South Irish Horse, £25. > > OTHERS. > > Nation's tribute to Nurses, £10. > > Belgian Relief Fund, £5. > > Instructional Workshops, Military Orthopedic Hospital, Blackrock, £36. > > National Egg Collection, 2,712 Eggs. > > Men's Work, Lisnavagh --- 18 Bed-rests, 6 Bed Tables, 20 Crutches. > > K.A, RATHDONNELL, President County Carlow Branch. > > ________________________________ > > Death. Glover --- On Wednesday, May 21st 1919, in Montreal, Canada, > > at the > > age of 22 years, Henry Victor, youngest son of the late John Geo. > > Glover, > > Carlow, Ireland, and Mrs. Glover, 3163 St. James Street, West, > > Montreal. > > ======================================= > > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > > subscribe to the List. 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[ Note added in 2010 by Michael Purcell. Under the Defence of the Realm Acts (DORA) power was given to the military to hold trials by court martial in the event of a "special Military emergency" such as the issuing of seditious literature ( the 1916 leaders were executed under DORA). In the case outlined below, Michael Farrell of the Hardware shop in Tullow Street ( present-day Dempsey's Hardware ) is charged by Court Martial. Carlow born Michael was the author of the autobiographical novel "Thy Tears Might Cease", unpublished during his lifetime, it was edited and published, following Michael's death, by his friend and neighbour, Monk Gibbon. In 1983 Carlow Heritage Society erected a Plaque in memory of Michael Farrell, I invited Monk Gibbon to Carlow to unveil it. During the course of the evening Monk told me that he had "edited out" 100,000 words from the novel to make it readable !. Monk Gibbon was an officer in the British Army on leave in Dublin during Easter Week 1916, he told me that he resigned his army commission in protest at the killing of Sheehy Skeffington during the 1916 Rising, however I can find no record of his resignation !. ] Nationalist., March 1919. MEDICAL STUDENT COURT-MARTIALED. A CARLOW DISPATCH RIDER. In the course of a Court Martial in Dublin on Thursday, on a charge against a medical student, named Michael Farrell, of having in his possession copies of documents of anti-conscription. Capt. McWilliams who prosecuted, quoted from the first volume of the official organ of the Irish Volunteers , which, inter alia, contained the following. :--- A Volunteer dispatch rider in Carlow, while carrying dispatches recently, noticed two policemen cycling after him. Realising the danger of their attempting to seize him and capture his dispatches, he decided to take the offensive himself, and on reaching a lonely spot he "held them up " with his revolver, compelling them to dismount, took the valves out of their bicycles, and rode away in Triumph. This fine example of Volunteer efficiency should not be lost upon his fellow soldiers. [ end of report ! ]

Carlow Sentinel, June, 14th 1919. MILITARY FUNERAL IN CARLOW. On Wednesday last Sergeant Fleet, 5th Signal Company, R.A., ( ? ) was buried in the New Cemetery, Carlow, with military honours. Deceased was married in Carlow, and stationed here when the war broke out. He left with his regiment for the front, and while serving was awarded the D.S.M. After his return to England he succumbed to a serious attack of paralysis, and his remains were sent to Carlow by the Military Authorities. The coffin covered by the Union Jack, was borne on a gun waggon, and escorted by a firing party from the Curragh. The Rev. S.Ridgeway officiated at the funeral.

Autograph Quilts first became popular in the mid-1800s. Indelible ink was available after 1840 and these quilts were inscribed with names and sometimes poetry. Many of the autograph quilts that we see today were signed by family and friends as a remembrance to people. They are also called friendship quilts. There are two distinct kinds of autograph quilts. Single pattern quilts are often referred to as "friendship quilts" while the more formal quilts made of different blocks are called sampler album quilts. Although both carried on the same tradition of signed remembrances, they were quite different. Sampler album quilts were made up of several unique intricately pieced or appliquéd blocks. A friendship quilt was usually made of several blocks from the same pattern. These blocks could be quickly made from fabric scraps. ( From our "friend" Google...) On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Turtle Bunbury <turtle@turtlebunbury.com>wrote: > Many thanks for this Mick. All fascinating to me. I think 'Kathleen A. > Rathdonnell' should probably read 'Katherine' - she was one of the > Bruens of Oak Park and married Tom Bunbury (later Lord Rathdonnell) in > 1876. I believe she was instrumental in sending soup wagons to > Rathvilly during the Spanish Flu epidemic earlier in that year. > > I have seen a certificate given to someone for their help in the > National Egg Collection. I have also seen one of the quilts sold at a > Lisnavagh fete, perhaps this one although I'm not sure what an > "Autograph Quilt" is!? > > I feel like I am now living parallel lives, 2010 and one in 1919-1921 > but I am very much enjoying this snippet updates. They really do slows > history right down to a pace where you can see how things might have > unfurled the way they did. > > Incidentally, I wrote a story about the Irish tricolor which was > hoisted over the GPO in 1916 and went on sale in New York today. My > story ran in yesterday's Irish Daily Mail and can be read here: > http://www.turtlebunbury.com/history/history_irish/history_irish_flag.htm > As it happens, the flag did not sell today. > > Best wishes, > > Turtle > > Turtle Bunbury > www.turtlebunbury.com > Old Fort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland > Mob: + 353 - (0) 87 - 6453 486 > Skype: turtle1847 > > Turtle Bunbury is a best-selling author and travel writer based in > Ireland. He has lately launched www.HistoryinaBook.com<http://www.historyinabook.com/>which offers an > innovative way to transform your family history into a compelling > read. Turtle's seventh book, Vanishing Ireland - Further Chronicles of > a Disappearing World, with photographer James Fennell, was the top- > selling Picture Book in Ireland over Christmas 2009. > > On 23 Mar 2010, at 17:31, michael purcell wrote: > > > [ Note added 2010. About this time a new directive was issued from > > Sinn > > Fein in Carlow requesting that fund raising activities for veterans > > of the > > Great War were not to be approved or supported. It was further > > requested > > that dances or events organised by the "Comrades of the Great War" > > were not > > to be approved or supported. > > The following collections were recorded in The Sentinel. The total > > collected > > in the Rathvilly / Hacketstown area for May, 1919 was £501, twelve > > shillings > > and eleven pence. The President and main fund-raiser was Kathleen > > A.Rathdonnell ( Bunbury) of Lisnavagh.] > > Carlow Sentinel, May 1919. > > BRITISH RED CROSS. > > Rathvilly and Hacketstown District. > > Part proceeds Rathvilly R.C. Church Collection per Rev. J. O' > > Callaghan -- > > £2 - 8 shillings. > > Hacketstown Church Collection per Rev. C.S. > > Ellison-----------------------£1 > > - 17 shillings. > > Part proceeds Fete at > > Lisnavagh-----------------------------------------------------£50 -- > > Part proceeds Concert at D'Israeli School per Mrs > > Anderson--------------£11 > > --6 shillings > > L.H.Poe > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------£ > > 1.--one > > shilling. > > Miss Green, > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------12 > > shillings. > > Rev. Ellison and Mrs. > > Ellison............................................................5 > > shillings. > > Mrs. > > Earl > > > .........................................................................................2 > > shillings and six pence. > > Under 2/6 (two shillings and six pence) Mrs. Taylor, Parkin Recipe. > > OUR DAY. > > Part proceeds of Fete at Lisnavagh Autograph > > Quilt-----------------------------£18--one shilling. > > Hacketstown Church, per Rev. > > Ellison-------------------------------------------------£3 -- eleven > > shillings. > > Hacketstown School, per Rev. > > Ellison--------------------------------------------------£1----three > > shillings. > > Lisnavagh, Sale of Game > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > £7--twelve > > shillings. > > Etc. > > IRISH COUNTIES' WAR HOSPITAL, COUNTY CARLOW WARD. > > Lord Rathdonnell, £50. > > Lady Rathdonnell, £10. > > L.H.Poe £5. > > Hon. T.L. McClintock-Bunbury £1. > > Very Rev. J. Delaney, P.P., V.F. Etc. > > PRISONERS' OF WAR FUNDS. > > Leinster Regiment, £56. > > Royal Dublin Fusiliers, £72. > > South Irish Horse, £25. > > OTHERS. > > Nation's tribute to Nurses, £10. > > Belgian Relief Fund, £5. > > Instructional Workshops, Military Orthopedic Hospital, Blackrock, £36. > > National Egg Collection, 2,712 Eggs. > > Men's Work, Lisnavagh --- 18 Bed-rests, 6 Bed Tables, 20 Crutches. > > K.A, RATHDONNELL, President County Carlow Branch. > > ________________________________ > > Death. Glover --- On Wednesday, May 21st 1919, in Montreal, Canada, > > at the > > age of 22 years, Henry Victor, youngest son of the late John Geo. > > Glover, > > Carlow, Ireland, and Mrs. Glover, 3163 St. James Street, West, > > Montreal. > > ======================================= > > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > > subscribe to the List. 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It may be of interest to some to note that on Easter Sunday, April 30th 1919, ie the day before the abandoned race meeting referred to below, Leonard Hutcheson Poe (1888-1929), general manager of Lisnavagh, Rathvilly, Co. Carlow, married Kathleen Gladys Grogan, daughter of William Edward Grogan of Slaney Park, Co Wicklow, (and sometime of Moyle), who was Master of the Carlow Hunt at this time. Leonard was a grandson of the Tipperary solicitor William Thomas Poe. His father was Captain George Leslie Poe (1846-1934), Royal Navy, of Santry Court, Dublin, and Glen Ban, Abbeyleix. His mother was Mary Caldecott (d.28 Nov 1934), eldest daughter of Edward Charley of Conway House, Dunmurry, Co. Antrim. Leonard’s older brother Captain Charles Vernon Leslie Poe, KRRC, was born in 1880 and served in the Boer War and the Great War but was killed in action with the Expeditionary Force in March 1915. (Reported missing March 8th). Leonard’s older sister Violet Mary Poe (1878-1940) was married in 1902 to Gerald Edward Campbell Maconchy, youngest son of George Maconchy of Rathmore, Co. Longford, and has issue. Leonard’s youngest sister Muriel Gladys Poe was born in 1882, won the MBE in 1920 and died unmarried on 30 August 1942. Leonard’s uncle Sir Hutcheson Poe lived at Heywood Gardens and entertained Empress Sisi of the Austro-Hungarian Empire when she visited. It is worth looking at the profiles of both Sir Hutchison Poe and his brother Admiral Sir Edmund Salmon Poe again, as they were considerable achievers in the military, naval and art worlds of late Victorian and early Edwardian era. Turtle Bunbury www.turtlebunbury.com Old Fort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland Mob: + 353 - (0) 87 - 6453 486 Skype: turtle1847 Turtle Bunbury is a best-selling author and travel writer based in Ireland. He has lately launched www.HistoryinaBook.com which offers an innovative way to transform your family history into a compelling read. Turtle's seventh book, Vanishing Ireland - Further Chronicles of a Disappearing World, with photographer James Fennell, was the top- selling Picture Book in Ireland over Christmas 2009. On 22 Mar 2010, at 19:52, michael purcell wrote: > Note added in 2010. Despite the fact that Fox- Hunting and Race > Meetings > were abandoned all over Ireland, the organisers having yielded to > pressure > from Sinn Fein, the Carlow Hunt Club advertised a Race Meeting for > April > 31st 1919. This was to be the first of many encounters during the > War of > Independence between the Gentry of the county and Sinn Fein. > Carlow Sentinel. April 12th , 1919. > CARLOW HUNT AND SPORTMAN'S RACES. > to be run > OVER A COURSE AT BALLYBAR. > MONDAY APRIL 31st 1919. > STEWARDS. > W.H.Grogan, Master Fox Hounds. Lord Rathdonnell, Michael Governey, > Henry > Bruen, Capt. W.F. Forbes, Resident Magistrate ; . R.F. Bagenal, > Colonel H. > Eustace-Duckett, Major Alexander, J.Fenton, Denis R.Pack-Beresford, H. > Alexander, R.L. Pike, R.W.Hall-Dare, Col. R. Browne-Clayton, D.S.O. ; > General B. Lewis, D.S.O., C.B. > Judge -- General R. Lewis D.S.O., C.B. ; Starter -- Richard > Fenton. Clerk > of the Scales and Course --- H.Herring-Cooper. Hon.Sec.-- H.Herring- > Cooper. > Riders to wear hunting costume. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Carlow Sentinel. April 19th. 1919. > CARLOW HUNT RACES ABANDONED. > The Committee of the Carlow Hunt Sportsman's Races have been forced to > abandon the fixture for Easter Monday. The popularity of this > sporting event > has not lessened, but unfortunately the efforts of a section of the > community to force politics into the hunting field have been > sufficiently > successful to compel the Stewards of the Hunt Club to cancel many > fixtures, > including amongst others such favourites meets as those of > Punchestown and > Fairyhouse, patronised by sporting men all the country over, while > for the > same reason, minor events have had to follow suit. > All the preliminaries for the Carlow races, which were looked > forward to by > the Easter holiday makers, were completed when the obstructionists > intervened, making it a condition that the Stewards should sign a > petition > in connection with the treatment of political prisoners. This > condition, > needless to say could not under the rules of the National Hunt Club be > complied with, and consequently they had no alternative but that of > abandoning the races --- a decision which will necessarily prove a > great > disappointment to the community at large. > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. > No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Many thanks for this Mick. All fascinating to me. I think 'Kathleen A. Rathdonnell' should probably read 'Katherine' - she was one of the Bruens of Oak Park and married Tom Bunbury (later Lord Rathdonnell) in 1876. I believe she was instrumental in sending soup wagons to Rathvilly during the Spanish Flu epidemic earlier in that year. I have seen a certificate given to someone for their help in the National Egg Collection. I have also seen one of the quilts sold at a Lisnavagh fete, perhaps this one although I'm not sure what an "Autograph Quilt" is!? I feel like I am now living parallel lives, 2010 and one in 1919-1921 but I am very much enjoying this snippet updates. They really do slows history right down to a pace where you can see how things might have unfurled the way they did. Incidentally, I wrote a story about the Irish tricolor which was hoisted over the GPO in 1916 and went on sale in New York today. My story ran in yesterday's Irish Daily Mail and can be read here: http://www.turtlebunbury.com/history/history_irish/history_irish_flag.htm As it happens, the flag did not sell today. Best wishes, Turtle Turtle Bunbury www.turtlebunbury.com Old Fort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland Mob: + 353 - (0) 87 - 6453 486 Skype: turtle1847 Turtle Bunbury is a best-selling author and travel writer based in Ireland. He has lately launched www.HistoryinaBook.com which offers an innovative way to transform your family history into a compelling read. Turtle's seventh book, Vanishing Ireland - Further Chronicles of a Disappearing World, with photographer James Fennell, was the top- selling Picture Book in Ireland over Christmas 2009. On 23 Mar 2010, at 17:31, michael purcell wrote: > [ Note added 2010. About this time a new directive was issued from > Sinn > Fein in Carlow requesting that fund raising activities for veterans > of the > Great War were not to be approved or supported. It was further > requested > that dances or events organised by the "Comrades of the Great War" > were not > to be approved or supported. > The following collections were recorded in The Sentinel. The total > collected > in the Rathvilly / Hacketstown area for May, 1919 was £501, twelve > shillings > and eleven pence. The President and main fund-raiser was Kathleen > A.Rathdonnell ( Bunbury) of Lisnavagh.] > Carlow Sentinel, May 1919. > BRITISH RED CROSS. > Rathvilly and Hacketstown District. > Part proceeds Rathvilly R.C. Church Collection per Rev. J. O' > Callaghan -- > £2 - 8 shillings. > Hacketstown Church Collection per Rev. C.S. > Ellison-----------------------£1 > - 17 shillings. > Part proceeds Fete at > Lisnavagh-----------------------------------------------------£50 -- > Part proceeds Concert at D'Israeli School per Mrs > Anderson--------------£11 > --6 shillings > L.H.Poe > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------£ > 1.--one > shilling. > Miss Green, > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------12 > shillings. > Rev. Ellison and Mrs. > Ellison............................................................5 > shillings. > Mrs. > Earl > .........................................................................................2 > shillings and six pence. > Under 2/6 (two shillings and six pence) Mrs. Taylor, Parkin Recipe. > OUR DAY. > Part proceeds of Fete at Lisnavagh Autograph > Quilt-----------------------------£18--one shilling. > Hacketstown Church, per Rev. > Ellison-------------------------------------------------£3 -- eleven > shillings. > Hacketstown School, per Rev. > Ellison--------------------------------------------------£1----three > shillings. > Lisnavagh, Sale of Game > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > £7--twelve > shillings. > Etc. > IRISH COUNTIES' WAR HOSPITAL, COUNTY CARLOW WARD. > Lord Rathdonnell, £50. > Lady Rathdonnell, £10. > L.H.Poe £5. > Hon. T.L. McClintock-Bunbury £1. > Very Rev. J. Delaney, P.P., V.F. Etc. > PRISONERS' OF WAR FUNDS. > Leinster Regiment, £56. > Royal Dublin Fusiliers, £72. > South Irish Horse, £25. > OTHERS. > Nation's tribute to Nurses, £10. > Belgian Relief Fund, £5. > Instructional Workshops, Military Orthopedic Hospital, Blackrock, £36. > National Egg Collection, 2,712 Eggs. > Men's Work, Lisnavagh --- 18 Bed-rests, 6 Bed Tables, 20 Crutches. > K.A, RATHDONNELL, President County Carlow Branch. > ________________________________ > Death. Glover --- On Wednesday, May 21st 1919, in Montreal, Canada, > at the > age of 22 years, Henry Victor, youngest son of the late John Geo. > Glover, > Carlow, Ireland, and Mrs. Glover, 3163 St. James Street, West, > Montreal. > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. 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