I thought St Dymphna was patroness of cancer patients....I'm wrong.....she's patroness of those with mental conditions and nervous disorders. Evidently she was martyred by her father by whatever reason. Suitable name for a hospital of that kind. On Jun 14, 2010, at 6:13 AM, annagolan@eircom.net wrote: > for anyone looking for records of "the lunatic ayslum" in carlow > you can always write to Mrs Eileen McGill who is the "keeper" of > such records in what is now called St. Dympna's hospital. i do not > know how far back the records go or how well kept they are - but > with the freedom of information act it is quite possible that you > are entitled to some information. i hope this is helpful and sorry > eileen if this instigates a flood of letters! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "frances heidel" <fradel@comcast.net> > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, 13 June, 2010 18:17:58 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, > Ireland, Portugal > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow lunatic Asylum > > Didn't they institutionalize people for being more than heavy > drinkers?? i wonder if they ever came to the realization that once > the drinking stopped, they were perfectly normal and didn't need the > institutionalization. > On Jun 13, 2010, at 7:25 AM, michael purcell wrote: > >> my uncle was a patient in the asylum around the same time , I will >> check >> during the coming week, >> >> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Michelle Wilson >> <micpaint.wilson@gmail.com >>> wrote: >> >>> Thank you, Mike. I am trying to reconcile the disappearance of my >>> g-g-grandfather after his second marriage in 1881 after the death >>> of his >>> first wife Sarah Jane Lemon in 1875.. I recently received a >>> snippet that >>> the person thought he had died on May 22, 1911 at the asylum. His >>> name was >>> Charles Thomas Farley and he was born in Dublin about 1833-34. I was >>> wondering, if this is him, when he was admitted and why. >>> >>> Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated >>> Gratefully, >>> Michelle >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> >>> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 12:06 AM >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow lunatic Asylum >>> >>> >>>> it is considered private...but the lists are there ...if you have >>>> one >>> name >>>> I >>>> could check for you , mick >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:47 PM, frances heidel >>>> <fradel@comcast.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Michelle, Wouldn't that information be held as strictly >>>>> confidential? Or is that just in recent history? >>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Michelle Wilson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Can anyone tell me if there is some place on line that I may >>>>>> go to >>>>>> for lists >>>>>> of patients that were housed at the metal; hospital originally >>>>>> known as the >>>>>> Carlow luatic asylum. I cannot come over there to search in >>>>>> person, but >>>>>> think one of my family may have been a patient there tere >>>>>> sometime between >>>>>> 1882 and 1911. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also are there any lists that would show patient deaths from >>>>>> there >>>>>> in about >>>>>> 1910 or 1911? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank You, >>>>>> Michelle >>>>>> >>>>>> ======================================= >>>>>> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >>>>>> subscribe to the List. 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one of the most common reasons for being there (for women) was to have a baby out of marriage - also there were other physical conditions that put people there - for example thyroid problems like hypothyroidism and mixodema - nowadays fixed so easily with medication. another example is epilepsy - now treated with medication also. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JJ Woods" <woodsjj@gmail.com> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 13 June, 2010 17:20:34 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow lunatic Asylum-DEATHS If he was alive and in the hospital between those dates then it is likely he would appear in the 1901 census just released on-line on the national archives site. J. J. On 13 June 2010 13:07, Cara_Links <Cara_Links@bigpond.com> wrote: > Well in that time frame they will be registered deaths and be at the GRO, > and probably in their a lot of others - remember each death had to be > registered so whether the person in charge of the institution signed the > paper or the coroner or an undertaker they could be located in a burial > records in the registers at the GRO. > > And that didnt matter where they died, be it in a poor house or in a home > of > some other name, they were registered - not in the beginning mind you but > in > 1910 -1911 they were fined if they did not do such a thing and if the man > died in a Asylum, there were others responsible for his death being > registered. > > > Cheers > Cara > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Anna!

for anyone looking for records of "the lunatic ayslum" in carlow you can always write to Mrs Eileen McGill who is the "keeper" of such records in what is now called St. Dympna's hospital. i do not know how far back the records go or how well kept they are - but with the freedom of information act it is quite possible that you are entitled to some information. i hope this is helpful and sorry eileen if this instigates a flood of letters! ----- Original Message ----- From: "frances heidel" <fradel@comcast.net> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 13 June, 2010 18:17:58 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow lunatic Asylum Didn't they institutionalize people for being more than heavy drinkers?? i wonder if they ever came to the realization that once the drinking stopped, they were perfectly normal and didn't need the institutionalization. On Jun 13, 2010, at 7:25 AM, michael purcell wrote: > my uncle was a patient in the asylum around the same time , I will > check > during the coming week, > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Michelle Wilson > <micpaint.wilson@gmail.com >> wrote: > >> Thank you, Mike. I am trying to reconcile the disappearance of my >> g-g-grandfather after his second marriage in 1881 after the death >> of his >> first wife Sarah Jane Lemon in 1875.. I recently received a >> snippet that >> the person thought he had died on May 22, 1911 at the asylum. His >> name was >> Charles Thomas Farley and he was born in Dublin about 1833-34. I was >> wondering, if this is him, when he was admitted and why. >> >> Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated >> Gratefully, >> Michelle >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> >> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 12:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow lunatic Asylum >> >> >>> it is considered private...but the lists are there ...if you have >>> one >> name >>> I >>> could check for you , mick >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:47 PM, frances heidel <fradel@comcast.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Michelle, Wouldn't that information be held as strictly >>>> confidential? Or is that just in recent history? >>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Michelle Wilson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can anyone tell me if there is some place on line that I may go to >>>>> for lists >>>>> of patients that were housed at the metal; hospital originally >>>>> known as the >>>>> Carlow luatic asylum. I cannot come over there to search in >>>>> person, but >>>>> think one of my family may have been a patient there tere >>>>> sometime between >>>>> 1882 and 1911. >>>>> >>>>> Also are there any lists that would show patient deaths from there >>>>> in about >>>>> 1910 or 1911? >>>>> >>>>> Thank You, >>>>> Michelle >>>>> >>>>> ======================================= >>>>> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >>>>> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >>>>> --------------------------------------- >>>>> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- >>>>> CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes) in the Subject box. 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just out of interest - i met a lady in london once who informed she had descended from the De Clare family who she believes had a "big house" or gentry estate in Sligo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Germaine" <germaine.cowell@tiscali.co.uk> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 14 June, 2010 08:39:42 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cleary Family & Peter Nolan (Germaine) Thank you Roger all that is very interesting and could be the clue we need. It is strange you say about the De Clare I am sure my Mum once said about Cleary originating from France. Wish I had taken more notice of her. Things she used to say I thought she was just guessing but other things from this side of the water have turned out right. Wish she was here now. Thanks again Germaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cleary Family & Peter Nolan (Germaine) Germaine, "Denis" may be a clue as to the origins of the particular Nolan family. I know for a fact that Denis was a first name used in the Ballon area as far back as the late 1700s (e.g. one "Denys Nowlan" aged 16 died in 1777 and is buried in the Templepeter cemetery0. I also know for a fact that the "Michael Nolan" of Cunnaberry who died in 2002 in his late 80s had 6 or 7 Denis' in a row in his ancestry. All this to say that the first name Denis seems to have been prevalent in the Ballon area. I also note that there was Thomas Clear from the Ballon area married a Mary Ann Nowlan in the early 1800s. (NOTE: I believe that Cleary & Clear are vaiations on the original surname De Clare) Here is what I have the above -mentioned Thomas Clear: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1831 : Kilconnor, Co. Carlow, IE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [175] Mary Nowlan (???? - ????) - from Ireland [176] Thomas Clear (???? - ????) - from Ireland Children: Johanna (c1831), possibly others More on Thomas Clear and children: Children of MARY NOWLAN and THOMAS CLEAR: Johanna (c1831) of Kilconnor m. John KELLY (c1831-1875) of Killane in St. Andrews RC Church, Bagenalstown, Co. Carlow, on July 01, 1858; they emigrated to Canada between 1869 and 1871 and settled in Farrelton, Quebec, located along the Gatineau river. This was at a time when the Gatineau river was used for logging emptying into the Ottawa river at Ottawa. Johanna died in East Templeton (now Gatineau, QC) located at the mouth of the Gatineau river. ... ****************** "Peter" was also a first name for Nolan found in the Ballon area. My own ancestor was a Peter Nowland born near Ballon around 1796. My Peter was the son of a James Nowlan married to Mary Clowry (nee Shortall) and James Nowlan seems to have had a brother named Michael married to an Anne Brennan who also named a son Peter in 1793. The latter also had a daughter named Catherine in 1794. Both Peter and Catherine were baptized in the Ballon church. Regards, Roger http://nolanfamilies.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Germaine" <germaine.cowell@tiscali.co.uk> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Deere/Deer/Dear Family Hi again Thanks Roger on Mary and Thomas marriage cert one witness is a Denis Nolan. I haven't found about him I should imagine he is a relative. Germaine x Hi! Nothing much to add except to say that I believe that the "Mr. Nowland the priest" mentioned below was likely the Reverend Doctor Nicholas Nowland who was leasing a large piece of land from the Leckys in the Ballon area in 1787 and was also the Parish Priest of Ballon in the 1780s. Regards, Roger Nowlan Good evening all, With thanks to Mick Purcell I have managed to trace a line in my family tree to the late 1700's to two brothers; John Dear and Thomas Dear, the latter from which I descend and who married a Judith Dunne. I imagine the brothers were born c1775 or earlier. Information I have to date (Source: Carlow Heritage Society/Clayton-Browne Papers/Mick Purcell): There is a Judith Dunne listed at Raheenwood, Old Leighlin, in Griffith's Valuations 1852 as renting 'Houses, and Land' from Anne Vigors and Sisters. Land area listed as follows: A=2 R=1 r=29. Cost of land rent IR£1. House rent is 5 shillings making total, IR£1 and 5 shillings. This may be the same Judith Dunne who married Thomas. If so, he may have passed away by this point, if this was the home that he and his wife settled in. Extract from Browne-Clayton Papers: 'Kallender of Prisoners in Custody Newton, Esquire, High Sheriff of Carlow, 6th day of October 1796. Edward Byrne fined two marks and to give Security to be of the Peace for seven years. John Rourke guilty of assault, fined one mark (13 shillings and 4 pence) and then discharged. Thomas Deer found guilty of two assaults and to be imprisoned for a fortnight, fined six pence.' This also tells us Thomas was a blacksmith. Following the 1798 rebellion men in the area made the statements such as the following made by Thomas (records found in UK by, and held by, Mick Purcell): 'Thomas Deer of Bridewell Lane, Dealer, Sworn by his brother John Deer of Cockpit lane, had a pike and gave to Mr. Nowland the priest and requires a protection.' Thomas's son James raised his own family on Pollerton Road, but I would like to find out where his father Thomas and uncle James were born. I have a feeling it may be Killeshin. I may be wrong. I am at a dead end at this point and so far have been unable to find out who the parents of Thomas and John are. Can anyone point me in the right direction, offer some suggestions? -- Regards, Kristian ======================================= -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2925 - Release Date: 06/08/10 07:35:00 ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. 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Thank you Roger all that is very interesting and could be the clue we need. It is strange you say about the De Clare I am sure my Mum once said about Cleary originating from France. Wish I had taken more notice of her. Things she used to say I thought she was just guessing but other things from this side of the water have turned out right. Wish she was here now. Thanks again Germaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cleary Family & Peter Nolan (Germaine) Germaine, "Denis" may be a clue as to the origins of the particular Nolan family. I know for a fact that Denis was a first name used in the Ballon area as far back as the late 1700s (e.g. one "Denys Nowlan" aged 16 died in 1777 and is buried in the Templepeter cemetery0. I also know for a fact that the "Michael Nolan" of Cunnaberry who died in 2002 in his late 80s had 6 or 7 Denis' in a row in his ancestry. All this to say that the first name Denis seems to have been prevalent in the Ballon area. I also note that there was Thomas Clear from the Ballon area married a Mary Ann Nowlan in the early 1800s. (NOTE: I believe that Cleary & Clear are vaiations on the original surname De Clare) Here is what I have the above -mentioned Thomas Clear: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1831 : Kilconnor, Co. Carlow, IE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [175] Mary Nowlan (???? - ????) - from Ireland [176] Thomas Clear (???? - ????) - from Ireland Children: Johanna (c1831), possibly others More on Thomas Clear and children: Children of MARY NOWLAN and THOMAS CLEAR: Johanna (c1831) of Kilconnor m. John KELLY (c1831-1875) of Killane in St. Andrews RC Church, Bagenalstown, Co. Carlow, on July 01, 1858; they emigrated to Canada between 1869 and 1871 and settled in Farrelton, Quebec, located along the Gatineau river. This was at a time when the Gatineau river was used for logging emptying into the Ottawa river at Ottawa. Johanna died in East Templeton (now Gatineau, QC) located at the mouth of the Gatineau river. ... ****************** "Peter" was also a first name for Nolan found in the Ballon area. My own ancestor was a Peter Nowland born near Ballon around 1796. My Peter was the son of a James Nowlan married to Mary Clowry (nee Shortall) and James Nowlan seems to have had a brother named Michael married to an Anne Brennan who also named a son Peter in 1793. The latter also had a daughter named Catherine in 1794. Both Peter and Catherine were baptized in the Ballon church. Regards, Roger http://nolanfamilies.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Germaine" <germaine.cowell@tiscali.co.uk> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Deere/Deer/Dear Family Hi again Thanks Roger on Mary and Thomas marriage cert one witness is a Denis Nolan. I haven't found about him I should imagine he is a relative. Germaine x Hi! Nothing much to add except to say that I believe that the "Mr. Nowland the priest" mentioned below was likely the Reverend Doctor Nicholas Nowland who was leasing a large piece of land from the Leckys in the Ballon area in 1787 and was also the Parish Priest of Ballon in the 1780s. Regards, Roger Nowlan Good evening all, With thanks to Mick Purcell I have managed to trace a line in my family tree to the late 1700's to two brothers; John Dear and Thomas Dear, the latter from which I descend and who married a Judith Dunne. I imagine the brothers were born c1775 or earlier. Information I have to date (Source: Carlow Heritage Society/Clayton-Browne Papers/Mick Purcell): There is a Judith Dunne listed at Raheenwood, Old Leighlin, in Griffith's Valuations 1852 as renting 'Houses, and Land' from Anne Vigors and Sisters. Land area listed as follows: A=2 R=1 r=29. Cost of land rent IR£1. House rent is 5 shillings making total, IR£1 and 5 shillings. This may be the same Judith Dunne who married Thomas. If so, he may have passed away by this point, if this was the home that he and his wife settled in. Extract from Browne-Clayton Papers: 'Kallender of Prisoners in Custody Newton, Esquire, High Sheriff of Carlow, 6th day of October 1796. Edward Byrne fined two marks and to give Security to be of the Peace for seven years. John Rourke guilty of assault, fined one mark (13 shillings and 4 pence) and then discharged. Thomas Deer found guilty of two assaults and to be imprisoned for a fortnight, fined six pence.' This also tells us Thomas was a blacksmith. Following the 1798 rebellion men in the area made the statements such as the following made by Thomas (records found in UK by, and held by, Mick Purcell): 'Thomas Deer of Bridewell Lane, Dealer, Sworn by his brother John Deer of Cockpit lane, had a pike and gave to Mr. Nowland the priest and requires a protection.' Thomas's son James raised his own family on Pollerton Road, but I would like to find out where his father Thomas and uncle James were born. I have a feeling it may be Killeshin. I may be wrong. I am at a dead end at this point and so far have been unable to find out who the parents of Thomas and John are. Can anyone point me in the right direction, offer some suggestions? -- Regards, Kristian ======================================= -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Well in that time frame they will be registered deaths and be at the GRO, and probably in their a lot of others - remember each death had to be registered so whether the person in charge of the institution signed the paper or the coroner or an undertaker they could be located in a burial records in the registers at the GRO. And that didnt matter where they died, be it in a poor house or in a home of some other name, they were registered - not in the beginning mind you but in 1910 -1911 they were fined if they did not do such a thing and if the man died in a Asylum, there were others responsible for his death being registered. Cheers Cara

If he was alive and in the hospital between those dates then it is likely he would appear in the 1901 census just released on-line on the national archives site. J. J. On 13 June 2010 13:07, Cara_Links <Cara_Links@bigpond.com> wrote: > Well in that time frame they will be registered deaths and be at the GRO, > and probably in their a lot of others - remember each death had to be > registered so whether the person in charge of the institution signed the > paper or the coroner or an undertaker they could be located in a burial > records in the registers at the GRO. > > And that didnt matter where they died, be it in a poor house or in a home > of > some other name, they were registered - not in the beginning mind you but > in > 1910 -1911 they were fined if they did not do such a thing and if the man > died in a Asylum, there were others responsible for his death being > registered. > > > Cheers > Cara > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

well you never know - after all they did wear tights !. On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> wrote: > Which isn't nearly as funny as the three magistrates 'going at it hammer > and > thongs' > > Tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael purcell > Sent: 13 June 2010 08:09 > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Gentry at it? ! > > (hammer and tongs even ....) > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:48 AM, michael purcell > <carlowmike@gmail.com>wrote: > > > The Statements / Bonds are commitment to appear in open Court to answer > > charges .. > > in this case, gentry, magistrate, justice of the peace, Bunbury, Burton, > > Fishbourne "are at it". (hammer and thongs !). > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, michael purcell > <carlowmike@gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> Fighting among themselves.. > >> unusual to take Oaths against another Magistrate. (Bunbury Vs Burton)... > >> few accounts of such ; Watson Vs Bruen (1830s) ---Crosbie Vs Browne > (1798) > >> > >> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Susie Warren > <ousie@people.net.au>wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Michael > >>> > >>> I presume your comment > (Gentry at it? !) means that they were making > >>> themselves out to be > >>> worth something; but what was the purpose of declaring their worth in > >>> front > >>> of a magistrate! > >>> > >>> I am presuming the declaration was made to a magistrate DL or JP > perhaps. > >>> What were they accomplishing? > >>> Did it mean they could register to vote perhaps? > >>> There must have been a purpose for this type of declaration! > >>> > >>> > 20th February 1835. Stephen Aughney states before J. Eustace of > >>> Castlemore > >>> > that he lives in Roscat in the Parish of Ardistan, Barony of > Rathvilly > >>> > that > >>> > he is worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just debts. > >>> > >>> > (Gentry at it? !). > >>> > >>> Could you please enlighten me. Sorry if I have missed your explanation > >>> previously. > >>> Many thanks > >>> Susie > >>> > >>> > De: michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> > >>> > Asunto: [IRL-CARLOW] > >>> > Bunbury+Curran+Aughney+Cummins+Fishbourne+Eustace+Burton. > >>> > Para: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > >>> > Fecha: domingo, 14 de marzo, 2010 18:05 > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > 20th February 1835. Stephen Aughney states before J. Eustace of > >>> Castlemore > >>> > that he lives in Roscat in the Parish of Ardistan, Barony of > Rathvilly > >>> > that > >>> > he is worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just debts. > >>> > 3rd March 1814. Nicholas Cummins of Seskinmadra in the Parish of > >>> Slyguf, > >>> > Barony of Idrone East, states that he is worth the Sum of ?20.00 over > >>> and > >>> > above his just debts. > >>> > 8th May, 1824. John Curran of Carlow, Swears before William > Fishbourne, > >>> > that > >>> > he is a Householder and has a House in the Town of Carlow, in the > >>> Parish > >>> > of > >>> > Carlow and that he supports and maintains himself by Tailoring and he > >>> is > >>> > worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just Debts. > >>> > (Gentry at it? !). > >>> > 7th March 1818. (could be 1810 ?) Edward Burton of Pollerton, Carlow, > >>> who > >>> > is > >>> > Bonded by William Burton of Bruton Hall, in the Parish of Urglin and > >>> > Joseph > >>> > Fishbourne of Strawhall, Carlow, must appear in Carlow Sessions to > >>> answer > >>> > all such Matters and Things, as shall be objected against him (Edward > >>> > Burton) on behalf of our Said Lord the King by Henry and Ebenezer > >>> Bunbury > >>> > . > >>> > (signed) William Fishbourne. Magistrate. > >>> > >>> > >>> ======================================= > >>> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > >>> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > >>> --------------------------------------- > >>> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > >>> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without > the > >>> quotes) in the Subject box. 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(hammer and tongs even ....) On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:48 AM, michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com>wrote: > The Statements / Bonds are commitment to appear in open Court to answer > charges .. > in this case, gentry, magistrate, justice of the peace, Bunbury, Burton, > Fishbourne "are at it". (hammer and thongs !). > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Fighting among themselves.. >> unusual to take Oaths against another Magistrate. (Bunbury Vs Burton)... >> few accounts of such ; Watson Vs Bruen (1830s) ---Crosbie Vs Browne (1798) >> >> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Susie Warren <ousie@people.net.au>wrote: >> >>> Hi Michael >>> >>> I presume your comment > (Gentry at it? !) means that they were making >>> themselves out to be >>> worth something; but what was the purpose of declaring their worth in >>> front >>> of a magistrate! >>> >>> I am presuming the declaration was made to a magistrate DL or JP perhaps. >>> What were they accomplishing? >>> Did it mean they could register to vote perhaps? >>> There must have been a purpose for this type of declaration! >>> >>> > 20th February 1835. Stephen Aughney states before J. Eustace of >>> Castlemore >>> > that he lives in Roscat in the Parish of Ardistan, Barony of Rathvilly >>> > that >>> > he is worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just debts. >>> >>> > (Gentry at it? !). >>> >>> Could you please enlighten me. Sorry if I have missed your explanation >>> previously. >>> Many thanks >>> Susie >>> >>> > De: michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> >>> > Asunto: [IRL-CARLOW] >>> > Bunbury+Curran+Aughney+Cummins+Fishbourne+Eustace+Burton. >>> > Para: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >>> > Fecha: domingo, 14 de marzo, 2010 18:05 >>> > >>> > >>> > 20th February 1835. Stephen Aughney states before J. Eustace of >>> Castlemore >>> > that he lives in Roscat in the Parish of Ardistan, Barony of Rathvilly >>> > that >>> > he is worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just debts. >>> > 3rd March 1814. Nicholas Cummins of Seskinmadra in the Parish of >>> Slyguf, >>> > Barony of Idrone East, states that he is worth the Sum of ?20.00 over >>> and >>> > above his just debts. >>> > 8th May, 1824. John Curran of Carlow, Swears before William Fishbourne, >>> > that >>> > he is a Householder and has a House in the Town of Carlow, in the >>> Parish >>> > of >>> > Carlow and that he supports and maintains himself by Tailoring and he >>> is >>> > worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just Debts. >>> > (Gentry at it? !). >>> > 7th March 1818. (could be 1810 ?) Edward Burton of Pollerton, Carlow, >>> who >>> > is >>> > Bonded by William Burton of Bruton Hall, in the Parish of Urglin and >>> > Joseph >>> > Fishbourne of Strawhall, Carlow, must appear in Carlow Sessions to >>> answer >>> > all such Matters and Things, as shall be objected against him (Edward >>> > Burton) on behalf of our Said Lord the King by Henry and Ebenezer >>> Bunbury >>> > . >>> > (signed) William Fishbourne. Magistrate. >>> >>> >>> ======================================= >>> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >>> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >>> --------------------------------------- >>> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to >>> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the >>> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >

Michelle, From the How-to instructions on searching the 1911 census: Institutions People in institutions like prisons, army and police barracks, asylums and workhouses were often listed in the census only by their initials. Thus, Mary Smith will be listed only as M.S. If you think the person you seek was in an institution in 1911, first try the return for the institution, if you know it, as the ancillary information on the return (age, county of birth, previous occupation etc.) will help you to decide whether this is the right person. If you don't know the institution, or merely suspect that someone might have been in one, use their initials plus the age and sex boxes to narrow it down, eg M S, 25, female. Jack Langton

Didn't they institutionalize people for being more than heavy drinkers?? i wonder if they ever came to the realization that once the drinking stopped, they were perfectly normal and didn't need the institutionalization. On Jun 13, 2010, at 7:25 AM, michael purcell wrote: > my uncle was a patient in the asylum around the same time , I will > check > during the coming week, > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Michelle Wilson > <micpaint.wilson@gmail.com >> wrote: > >> Thank you, Mike. I am trying to reconcile the disappearance of my >> g-g-grandfather after his second marriage in 1881 after the death >> of his >> first wife Sarah Jane Lemon in 1875.. I recently received a >> snippet that >> the person thought he had died on May 22, 1911 at the asylum. His >> name was >> Charles Thomas Farley and he was born in Dublin about 1833-34. I was >> wondering, if this is him, when he was admitted and why. >> >> Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated >> Gratefully, >> Michelle >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> >> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 12:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow lunatic Asylum >> >> >>> it is considered private...but the lists are there ...if you have >>> one >> name >>> I >>> could check for you , mick >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:47 PM, frances heidel <fradel@comcast.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Michelle, Wouldn't that information be held as strictly >>>> confidential? Or is that just in recent history? >>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Michelle Wilson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can anyone tell me if there is some place on line that I may go to >>>>> for lists >>>>> of patients that were housed at the metal; hospital originally >>>>> known as the >>>>> Carlow luatic asylum. I cannot come over there to search in >>>>> person, but >>>>> think one of my family may have been a patient there tere >>>>> sometime between >>>>> 1882 and 1911. >>>>> >>>>> Also are there any lists that would show patient deaths from there >>>>> in about >>>>> 1910 or 1911? >>>>> >>>>> Thank You, >>>>> Michelle >>>>> >>>>> ======================================= >>>>> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >>>>> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >>>>> --------------------------------------- >>>>> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- >>>>> CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes) in the Subject box. 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God help him, Michelle. In those days if you were acting a little bit differently than others, although sane enough, they'd put you away. The poor man probably didn't put up with anyone's crap (excuse the expression) and they thought he needed to be separated from society. Here in PA in the US, they closed a city-sized mental institution years ago. They must have realized that the majority of the patients did not need to be locked up in an institution. On Jun 13, 2010, at 6:39 AM, Michelle Wilson wrote: > Thank you for answering Francis, I really don't know about how long > the > confidentiality would last. I have been trying to locate my > gggrandfather > for 4 years. He seemed to dropo off the face of the earth after > 1882 but > just received a snippet of information that the person believed he > died at > the asylum on May 22, 1911. Would like to vaerify his death some > way and > also if possible learn when he was admitted and why. > > Regards > Michelle > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "frances heidel" <fradel@comcast.net> > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow lunatic Asylum > > >> Michelle, Wouldn't that information be held as strictly >> confidential? Or is that just in recent history? >> On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Michelle Wilson wrote: >> >>> Can anyone tell me if there is some place on line that I may go to >>> for lists >>> of patients that were housed at the metal; hospital originally >>> known as the >>> Carlow luatic asylum. I cannot come over there to search in >>> person, but >>> think one of my family may have been a patient there tere >>> sometime between >>> 1882 and 1911. >>> >>> Also are there any lists that would show patient deaths from there >>> in about >>> 1910 or 1911? >>> >>> Thank You, >>> Michelle >>> >>> ======================================= >>> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >>> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >>> --------------------------------------- >>> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- >>> CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the >>> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >> --------------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> "subscribe" (without the >> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- > CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

my uncle was a patient in the asylum around the same time , I will check during the coming week, On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Michelle Wilson <micpaint.wilson@gmail.com > wrote: > Thank you, Mike. I am trying to reconcile the disappearance of my > g-g-grandfather after his second marriage in 1881 after the death of his > first wife Sarah Jane Lemon in 1875.. I recently received a snippet that > the person thought he had died on May 22, 1911 at the asylum. His name was > Charles Thomas Farley and he was born in Dublin about 1833-34. I was > wondering, if this is him, when he was admitted and why. > > Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated > Gratefully, > Michelle > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow lunatic Asylum > > > > it is considered private...but the lists are there ...if you have one > name > > I > > could check for you , mick > > > > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:47 PM, frances heidel <fradel@comcast.net> > > wrote: > > > >> Michelle, Wouldn't that information be held as strictly > >> confidential? Or is that just in recent history? > >> On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Michelle Wilson wrote: > >> > >> > Can anyone tell me if there is some place on line that I may go to > >> > for lists > >> > of patients that were housed at the metal; hospital originally > >> > known as the > >> > Carlow luatic asylum. I cannot come over there to search in > >> > person, but > >> > think one of my family may have been a patient there tere > >> > sometime between > >> > 1882 and 1911. > >> > > >> > Also are there any lists that would show patient deaths from there > >> > in about > >> > 1910 or 1911? > >> > > >> > Thank You, > >> > Michelle > >> > > >> > ======================================= > >> > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > >> > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > >> > --------------------------------------- > >> > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- > >> > CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > >> > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- > >> > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >> > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> ======================================= > >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > >> subscribe > >> to the List. Its FREE! > >> --------------------------------------- > >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > >> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > ======================================= > > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > > --------------------------------------- > > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Michael I presume your comment > (Gentry at it? !) means that they were making themselves out to be worth something; but what was the purpose of declaring their worth in front of a magistrate! I am presuming the declaration was made to a magistrate DL or JP perhaps. What were they accomplishing? Did it mean they could register to vote perhaps? There must have been a purpose for this type of declaration! > 20th February 1835. Stephen Aughney states before J. Eustace of Castlemore > that he lives in Roscat in the Parish of Ardistan, Barony of Rathvilly > that > he is worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just debts. > (Gentry at it? !). Could you please enlighten me. Sorry if I have missed your explanation previously. Many thanks Susie > De: michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> > Asunto: [IRL-CARLOW] > Bunbury+Curran+Aughney+Cummins+Fishbourne+Eustace+Burton. > Para: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Fecha: domingo, 14 de marzo, 2010 18:05 > > > 20th February 1835. Stephen Aughney states before J. Eustace of Castlemore > that he lives in Roscat in the Parish of Ardistan, Barony of Rathvilly > that > he is worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just debts. > 3rd March 1814. Nicholas Cummins of Seskinmadra in the Parish of Slyguf, > Barony of Idrone East, states that he is worth the Sum of ?20.00 over and > above his just debts. > 8th May, 1824. John Curran of Carlow, Swears before William Fishbourne, > that > he is a Householder and has a House in the Town of Carlow, in the Parish > of > Carlow and that he supports and maintains himself by Tailoring and he is > worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just Debts. > (Gentry at it? !). > 7th March 1818. (could be 1810 ?) Edward Burton of Pollerton, Carlow, who > is > Bonded by William Burton of Bruton Hall, in the Parish of Urglin and > Joseph > Fishbourne of Strawhall, Carlow, must appear in Carlow Sessions to answer > all such Matters and Things, as shall be objected against him (Edward > Burton) on behalf of our Said Lord the King by Henry and Ebenezer Bunbury > . > (signed) William Fishbourne. Magistrate.

The Statements / Bonds are commitment to appear in open Court to answer charges .. in this case, gentry, magistrate, justice of the peace, Bunbury, Burton, Fishbourne "are at it". (hammer and thongs !). On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com>wrote: > Fighting among themselves.. > unusual to take Oaths against another Magistrate. (Bunbury Vs Burton)... > few accounts of such ; Watson Vs Bruen (1830s) ---Crosbie Vs Browne (1798) > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Susie Warren <ousie@people.net.au>wrote: > >> Hi Michael >> >> I presume your comment > (Gentry at it? !) means that they were making >> themselves out to be >> worth something; but what was the purpose of declaring their worth in >> front >> of a magistrate! >> >> I am presuming the declaration was made to a magistrate DL or JP perhaps. >> What were they accomplishing? >> Did it mean they could register to vote perhaps? >> There must have been a purpose for this type of declaration! >> >> > 20th February 1835. Stephen Aughney states before J. Eustace of >> Castlemore >> > that he lives in Roscat in the Parish of Ardistan, Barony of Rathvilly >> > that >> > he is worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just debts. >> >> > (Gentry at it? !). >> >> Could you please enlighten me. Sorry if I have missed your explanation >> previously. >> Many thanks >> Susie >> >> > De: michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> >> > Asunto: [IRL-CARLOW] >> > Bunbury+Curran+Aughney+Cummins+Fishbourne+Eustace+Burton. >> > Para: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >> > Fecha: domingo, 14 de marzo, 2010 18:05 >> > >> > >> > 20th February 1835. Stephen Aughney states before J. Eustace of >> Castlemore >> > that he lives in Roscat in the Parish of Ardistan, Barony of Rathvilly >> > that >> > he is worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just debts. >> > 3rd March 1814. Nicholas Cummins of Seskinmadra in the Parish of Slyguf, >> > Barony of Idrone East, states that he is worth the Sum of ?20.00 over >> and >> > above his just debts. >> > 8th May, 1824. John Curran of Carlow, Swears before William Fishbourne, >> > that >> > he is a Householder and has a House in the Town of Carlow, in the Parish >> > of >> > Carlow and that he supports and maintains himself by Tailoring and he is >> > worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just Debts. >> > (Gentry at it? !). >> > 7th March 1818. (could be 1810 ?) Edward Burton of Pollerton, Carlow, >> who >> > is >> > Bonded by William Burton of Bruton Hall, in the Parish of Urglin and >> > Joseph >> > Fishbourne of Strawhall, Carlow, must appear in Carlow Sessions to >> answer >> > all such Matters and Things, as shall be objected against him (Edward >> > Burton) on behalf of our Said Lord the King by Henry and Ebenezer >> Bunbury >> > . >> > (signed) William Fishbourne. Magistrate. >> >> >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >> --------------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the >> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Which isn't nearly as funny as the three magistrates 'going at it hammer and thongs' Tom -----Original Message----- From: irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-carlow-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of michael purcell Sent: 13 June 2010 08:09 To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Gentry at it? ! (hammer and tongs even ....) On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:48 AM, michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com>wrote: > The Statements / Bonds are commitment to appear in open Court to answer > charges .. > in this case, gentry, magistrate, justice of the peace, Bunbury, Burton, > Fishbourne "are at it". (hammer and thongs !). > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Fighting among themselves.. >> unusual to take Oaths against another Magistrate. (Bunbury Vs Burton)... >> few accounts of such ; Watson Vs Bruen (1830s) ---Crosbie Vs Browne (1798) >> >> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Susie Warren <ousie@people.net.au>wrote: >> >>> Hi Michael >>> >>> I presume your comment > (Gentry at it? !) means that they were making >>> themselves out to be >>> worth something; but what was the purpose of declaring their worth in >>> front >>> of a magistrate! >>> >>> I am presuming the declaration was made to a magistrate DL or JP perhaps. >>> What were they accomplishing? >>> Did it mean they could register to vote perhaps? >>> There must have been a purpose for this type of declaration! >>> >>> > 20th February 1835. Stephen Aughney states before J. Eustace of >>> Castlemore >>> > that he lives in Roscat in the Parish of Ardistan, Barony of Rathvilly >>> > that >>> > he is worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just debts. >>> >>> > (Gentry at it? !). >>> >>> Could you please enlighten me. Sorry if I have missed your explanation >>> previously. >>> Many thanks >>> Susie >>> >>> > De: michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> >>> > Asunto: [IRL-CARLOW] >>> > Bunbury+Curran+Aughney+Cummins+Fishbourne+Eustace+Burton. >>> > Para: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com >>> > Fecha: domingo, 14 de marzo, 2010 18:05 >>> > >>> > >>> > 20th February 1835. Stephen Aughney states before J. Eustace of >>> Castlemore >>> > that he lives in Roscat in the Parish of Ardistan, Barony of Rathvilly >>> > that >>> > he is worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just debts. >>> > 3rd March 1814. Nicholas Cummins of Seskinmadra in the Parish of >>> Slyguf, >>> > Barony of Idrone East, states that he is worth the Sum of ?20.00 over >>> and >>> > above his just debts. >>> > 8th May, 1824. John Curran of Carlow, Swears before William Fishbourne, >>> > that >>> > he is a Householder and has a House in the Town of Carlow, in the >>> Parish >>> > of >>> > Carlow and that he supports and maintains himself by Tailoring and he >>> is >>> > worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just Debts. >>> > (Gentry at it? !). >>> > 7th March 1818. (could be 1810 ?) Edward Burton of Pollerton, Carlow, >>> who >>> > is >>> > Bonded by William Burton of Bruton Hall, in the Parish of Urglin and >>> > Joseph >>> > Fishbourne of Strawhall, Carlow, must appear in Carlow Sessions to >>> answer >>> > all such Matters and Things, as shall be objected against him (Edward >>> > Burton) on behalf of our Said Lord the King by Henry and Ebenezer >>> Bunbury >>> > . >>> > (signed) William Fishbourne. Magistrate. >>> >>> >>> ======================================= >>> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >>> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >>> --------------------------------------- >>> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to >>> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the >>> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> > ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Mike. I am trying to reconcile the disappearance of my g-g-grandfather after his second marriage in 1881 after the death of his first wife Sarah Jane Lemon in 1875.. I recently received a snippet that the person thought he had died on May 22, 1911 at the asylum. His name was Charles Thomas Farley and he was born in Dublin about 1833-34. I was wondering, if this is him, when he was admitted and why. Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated Gratefully, Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow lunatic Asylum > it is considered private...but the lists are there ...if you have one name > I > could check for you , mick > > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:47 PM, frances heidel <fradel@comcast.net> > wrote: > >> Michelle, Wouldn't that information be held as strictly >> confidential? Or is that just in recent history? >> On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Michelle Wilson wrote: >> >> > Can anyone tell me if there is some place on line that I may go to >> > for lists >> > of patients that were housed at the metal; hospital originally >> > known as the >> > Carlow luatic asylum. I cannot come over there to search in >> > person, but >> > think one of my family may have been a patient there tere >> > sometime between >> > 1882 and 1911. >> > >> > Also are there any lists that would show patient deaths from there >> > in about >> > 1910 or 1911? >> > >> > Thank You, >> > Michelle >> > >> > ======================================= >> > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >> > --------------------------------------- >> > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- >> > CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the >> > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- >> > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> > in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe >> to the List. Its FREE! >> --------------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the >> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for answering Francis, I really don't know about how long the confidentiality would last. I have been trying to locate my gggrandfather for 4 years. He seemed to dropo off the face of the earth after 1882 but just received a snippet of information that the person believed he died at the asylum on May 22, 1911. Would like to vaerify his death some way and also if possible learn when he was admitted and why. Regards Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "frances heidel" <fradel@comcast.net> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow lunatic Asylum > Michelle, Wouldn't that information be held as strictly > confidential? Or is that just in recent history? > On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Michelle Wilson wrote: > >> Can anyone tell me if there is some place on line that I may go to >> for lists >> of patients that were housed at the metal; hospital originally >> known as the >> Carlow luatic asylum. I cannot come over there to search in >> person, but >> think one of my family may have been a patient there tere >> sometime between >> 1882 and 1911. >> >> Also are there any lists that would show patient deaths from there >> in about >> 1910 or 1911? >> >> Thank You, >> Michelle >> >> ======================================= >> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >> subscribe to the List. Its FREE! >> --------------------------------------- >> To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- >> CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the >> quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

it is considered private...but the lists are there ...if you have one name I could check for you , mick On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:47 PM, frances heidel <fradel@comcast.net> wrote: > Michelle, Wouldn't that information be held as strictly > confidential? Or is that just in recent history? > On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Michelle Wilson wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me if there is some place on line that I may go to > > for lists > > of patients that were housed at the metal; hospital originally > > known as the > > Carlow luatic asylum. I cannot come over there to search in > > person, but > > think one of my family may have been a patient there tere > > sometime between > > 1882 and 1911. > > > > Also are there any lists that would show patient deaths from there > > in about > > 1910 or 1911? > > > > Thank You, > > Michelle > > > > ======================================= > > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > > --------------------------------------- > > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL- > > CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Fighting among themselves.. unusual to take Oaths against another Magistrate. (Bunbury Vs Burton)... few accounts of such ; Watson Vs Bruen (1830s) ---Crosbie Vs Browne (1798) On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Susie Warren <ousie@people.net.au> wrote: > Hi Michael > > I presume your comment > (Gentry at it? !) means that they were making > themselves out to be > worth something; but what was the purpose of declaring their worth in front > of a magistrate! > > I am presuming the declaration was made to a magistrate DL or JP perhaps. > What were they accomplishing? > Did it mean they could register to vote perhaps? > There must have been a purpose for this type of declaration! > > > 20th February 1835. Stephen Aughney states before J. Eustace of > Castlemore > > that he lives in Roscat in the Parish of Ardistan, Barony of Rathvilly > > that > > he is worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just debts. > > > (Gentry at it? !). > > Could you please enlighten me. Sorry if I have missed your explanation > previously. > Many thanks > Susie > > > De: michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com> > > Asunto: [IRL-CARLOW] > > Bunbury+Curran+Aughney+Cummins+Fishbourne+Eustace+Burton. > > Para: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > > Fecha: domingo, 14 de marzo, 2010 18:05 > > > > > > 20th February 1835. Stephen Aughney states before J. Eustace of > Castlemore > > that he lives in Roscat in the Parish of Ardistan, Barony of Rathvilly > > that > > he is worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just debts. > > 3rd March 1814. Nicholas Cummins of Seskinmadra in the Parish of Slyguf, > > Barony of Idrone East, states that he is worth the Sum of ?20.00 over and > > above his just debts. > > 8th May, 1824. John Curran of Carlow, Swears before William Fishbourne, > > that > > he is a Householder and has a House in the Town of Carlow, in the Parish > > of > > Carlow and that he supports and maintains himself by Tailoring and he is > > worth the Sum of ?5.00 over and above his just Debts. > > (Gentry at it? !). > > 7th March 1818. (could be 1810 ?) Edward Burton of Pollerton, Carlow, who > > is > > Bonded by William Burton of Bruton Hall, in the Parish of Urglin and > > Joseph > > Fishbourne of Strawhall, Carlow, must appear in Carlow Sessions to answer > > all such Matters and Things, as shall be objected against him (Edward > > Burton) on behalf of our Said Lord the King by Henry and Ebenezer Bunbury > > . > > (signed) William Fishbourne. Magistrate. > > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >