Nearly have it right.... interesting entries of benefit to many, Carlow RC and Church of Ireland , Protestant, records here: http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/

Irish Genealogy County Carlow RC church records here: http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/

Hi Susie, I think Benjamin Hobart married Sophia, daughter of Humphry Minchin by his wife Rebeccca, daughter of Joshua Paul of Bough, Rathvilly, Co. Carlow. Sophia's brother Paul Minchin married Henrietta Bunbury, daughter of Joseph of the Johnstown Bunburys. Best for now, Turtle Turtle Bunbury www.turtlebunbury.com Old Fort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland Mob: + 353 - (0) 87 - 6453 486 Skype: turtle1847 Turtle Bunbury is a best-selling author based in Ireland. He specializes in transforming family histories into beautiful and eminently readable books. (www.HistoryinaBook.com). Turtle's next book, Sporting Legends of Ireland will be launched in Autumn 2010. His recent book, Vanishing Ireland - Further Chronicles of a Disappearing World, with photographer James Fennell, was the top- selling Picture Book in Ireland over Christmas 2009. On 16 Jun 2010, at 13:23, Susie Warren wrote: > Taken from Alumni Dublinenses [1st edition, 1924] > > "Schools in Ireland, circa 1740 -60" > > Schools/School Masters > > Rev. John Bettson Carlow > Richard Brough Carlow > Rev. George Crump Carlow > Rev. Benjamin Hobart Carlow > Dr Mills Tullow > > Richard Brough of Carlow later became Rev. Richard Brough of Rathvilly > married [widow] Ellinor Ryan. > > Susie Warren > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. > No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

I am trying to trace this person who shows up on the Griffiths Valuation in 1852 as lessee of the Mill and 16 acres in Patrickswell Rathvilly. I want to see where he went as he seems to have left Rathvilly and may have gone to Meath but I cannot find any death cert for him in Ireland. Regards, Laura Delaney Eversheds O'Donnell Sweeney One Earlsfort Centre - Earlsfort Terrace - Dublin 2 - Ireland T +353 1 6644272 - F +353 1 6644300 - ldelaney@eversheds.ie <mailto:ldelaney@eversheds.ie> - www.eversheds.ie <http://www.eversheds.ie/> The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and privileged. View our online e-mail disclaimer <http://www.eversheds.ie/emaildisclaimer.htm> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email message has been delivered safely and archived online by Mimecast. For more information please visit http://www.mimecast.com -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Michael, This is amazing. Like gold! Thank you. I have my work cut out for me for the next day or three. Sharon Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Some Become Flowers: http://www.harbourpublishing.com/title/SomeBecomeFlowers Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl On 16/06/2010 9:25 AM, michael purcell wrote: > Nearly have it right.... > interesting entries of benefit to many, > Carlow RC and Church of Ireland , Protestant, records here: > http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/ > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

thanks Brendan, link not opening ! On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 9:35 AM, michael purcell <carlowmike@gmail.com>wrote: > irishmediaweb@eircom.net to irl-carlow, me > show details 9:17 AM (17 minutes ago) > > > Hi Mike, > > Carlow parish records now on-line > > www.irishgenealogy.ie > > Brendan >

irishmediaweb@eircom.net to irl-carlow, me show details 9:17 AM (17 minutes ago) Hi Mike, Carlow parish records now on-line www.irishgenealogy.ie Brendan

Hi Bill, There are some curious links between the Bayly family of Debsborough House, Nenagh, Co. Tipperary, and Co. Carlow, through marriage of Deborah Neale (sometimes O’Neale) (d. 3 Nov 1760), daughter and co- heiress of the Rev Dr Benjamin Neale, Archdeacon of Leighlin and Ferns, and Henry Prittie, MP (1708 – 1768) ... the Bunbury family are also tied in here. Some details here: http://www.turtlebunbury.com/family/bunburyfamily_bunburys/bunbury_family_bunburys_kilfeacle.html Might be nothing but ... TB Turtle Bunbury www.turtlebunbury.com Old Fort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland Mob: + 353 - (0) 87 - 6453 486 Skype: turtle1847 Turtle Bunbury is a best-selling author based in Ireland. He specializes in transforming family histories into beautiful and eminently readable books. (www.HistoryinaBook.com). Turtle's next book, Sporting Legends of Ireland will be launched in Autumn 2010. His recent book, Vanishing Ireland - Further Chronicles of a Disappearing World, with photographer James Fennell, was the top- selling Picture Book in Ireland over Christmas 2009. On 14 Jun 2010, at 23:09, Bill Webster wrote: > Anyone with knowledge about a Bayley (or Bailey or Bailie) family from > Moneygrath? > > There is the birth in 1880 of ABRAHAM BAILEY at Moneygrath, father > SAMUEL > BAILEY and mother ROSANNA LEVINGSTONE BAILEY [FamilySearch Pilot > site]. > > It is believed by a descendant that Abraham had brothers Bill, Ben, > John and > Sam. > > Bill. > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. > No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Can anyone tell me the fate of the registers of Barragh Church of Ireland? Or, which was the local church? In Griffith's, even then the ancient church is described as a ruins, with a graveyard. Bill

Jack you are correct about the height of the wall. similar walls surrounded the hospital grounds. As you mentioned dances, there is (was?) a fine dance hall within the hospital, I think I was only there once in the late 1960s something to do with the Red Cross perhaps a fund raiser. The hall was big with a very fine timber floor. I don't know how many patients are there now but the building and grounds all have a pleasent aspect and seem to be kept in good order. PP On 15 June 2010 15:19, <JackLangton@aol.com> wrote: > I remember in the 90's, on my visits to Ireland, we  would walk through the > grounds from the Dublin Road on a Tuesday night to get to  the dance in the > hotel. It never bothered us that it was pitch black along that  path, we > would come back the same way, late as it was.  To the left of the  path was a > huge wall, probably the height of the wall that Carloman2 refers  to. A few > years later I visited at the hospital, finding it light and airy, with  the > patients seeming to be well taken care of. > >    Jack Langton > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com  with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Roger hope you find something. I would have spelt it that way myself just worte it the way it looked. Wonder if the Mooney's and Nolans knew each other before they went to Cananda. Gosh that was a good age in those days. Bye Germaine x Germaine, Thank you for clarifications. I will see if I can match up the record given below with anything I may have in my files. As regards the family name Moony, I believe that it is more generally spelled Mooney. I know of at least two Mooney-Nolan connections here in Canada, one was in the same area as where my ancestor settled in New Brunswick (Buctouche area) and the other one in Nova Scotia (Cape Breton). Bye for now, Roger ***** John Mooney m. Virginie Nowlan c. 1900 (Buctouche area) ++ Viginie, daughter of Martin, son of James Nowlan of Miramichi area (the latter James fought in the War of Independence and eventually settled in the Miramichi area dying around 1845 aged circa 105); this is not my own line but a branch lived in the same area as my line. Hi Roger Thanks for the interest. Oct. 24th 1870 Roman Catholic Chapel Carlow Thomas Cleary Bachelor 23 Dealer father Owen Cleary Dealer. Mary Anne Nolan Spinster 17 Domestic Servant father Peter Nolan Labourer Wit. Denis Nolan Eliza Moony ? Her surname hard to read but looks very much like Moony. No They are definatley the parents to my Grandmother Sarah. I have her birth cert too so am 100% I did think what a strange coincedence when I saw those names. Yes my name is French but came from a lady in Belguim. During the war a couple were very kind to my Dad and kept in touch with him. When they were told my Mum was expecting they were asked if they would call the baby after one of them. If I had been a boy I would have been Emile ? oh dear can't even spell it. Perhaps you are right and she liked the name because it was French and she felt it was a connection to her ancestors. I know one thing it was heaven help anyone that tried to shorten it :-) Germaine x Germaine, Thank you for your Email. The Nolan first names "Peter" and "Denis" certainly are of interest to me as I keep coming across them in my own family research. To help me look for any possible connectionss I would appreciate getting the particulars (time, place, names) on the marriage certificate you mention in your earlier Email saying "on Mary and Thomas marriage cert one witness is a Denis Nolan". Knowing the timeframe and location may help me make a link to some of the information I have on my personal computer. A thought also occurred to me regarding the names Thomas Cleary and Mary Anne Nolan. Could they have been "grandparents" as opposed to "parents". In some old records I have come across an instance where a child seemed to have been baptized with the granparents given as the godparents. In this particular case the baptism seemed to have been done in private the priest being a Nolan relative. Thinking along similar lines, could the child in question have been placed for care with his grandparents who took care of him? Could the "Thomas Clear" and "Mary Nowlan" given in my earlier Email (see below) have been the "grandparents" of your ancestor? >From correspondence, I know a bit more about the "Clear" family mentioned >in my online story (submitted by Inez Allen, now deceased). From family tradition, it appears that the family lived in the Ballon area in the early 1800s on Lecky land (part of the Ballykealey estate) and that the Leckys evicted them sometime around 1860. Several Nolan families lived in this area including my own. Bye for now, Roger P.S. On the subject of first names, it would appear that the first name "Peter" was adopted from the Normans. In Norman French, Peter was "Piers" as in Piers Butler. In Modern French Peter is "Pierre" (but identically pronounced) and, of course, Piers, pronounced the English way, also gave rise to Pearce/Pierce as in PearceBrosnan. I also found your first name "Germaine" interesting as I have never heard it before except in French. I am of Acadian descent on my mother's side and French is my mother tongue. I guess a part of your mother still lives on in you having chosen for you what is generally perceived at least here in Canada as a French name. She must have had a strong affinity to her French heritage. ********************* http://nolanfamilies.org ********************** From: "Germaine" <germaine.cowell@tiscali.co.uk> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cleary Family & Peter Nolan (Germaine) Thank you Roger all that is very interesting and could be the clue we need. It is strange you say about the De Clare I am sure my Mum once said about Cleary originating from France. Wish I had taken more notice of her. Things she used to say I thought she was just guessing but other things from this side of the water have turned out right. Wish she was here now. Thanks again Germaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cleary Family & Peter Nolan (Germaine) Germaine, "Denis" may be a clue as to the origins of the particular Nolan family. I know for a fact that Denis was a first name used in the Ballon area as far back as the late 1700s (e.g. one "Denys Nowlan" aged 16 died in 1777 and is buried in the Templepeter cemetery0. I also know for a fact that the "Michael Nolan" of Cunnaberry who died in 2002 in his late 80s had 6 or 7 Denis' in a row in his ancestry. All this to say that the first name Denis seems to have been prevalent in the Ballon area. I also note that there was Thomas Clear from the Ballon area married a Mary Ann Nowlan in the early 1800s. (NOTE: I believe that Cleary & Clear are vaiations on the original surname De Clare) Here is what I have the above -mentioned Thomas Clear: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1831 : Kilconnor, Co. Carlow, IE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [175] Mary Nowlan (???? - ????) - from Ireland [176] Thomas Clear (???? - ????) - from Ireland Children: Johanna (c1831), possibly others More on Thomas Clear and children: Children of MARY NOWLAN and THOMAS CLEAR: Johanna (c1831) of Kilconnor m. John KELLY (c1831-1875) of Killane in St. Andrews RC Church, Bagenalstown, Co. Carlow, on July 01, 1858; they emigrated to Canada between 1869 and 1871 and settled in Farrelton, Quebec, located along the Gatineau river. This was at a time when the Gatineau river was used for logging emptying into the Ottawa river at Ottawa. Johanna died in East Templeton (now Gatineau, QC) located at the mouth of the Gatineau river. ... ****************** "Peter" was also a first name for Nolan found in the Ballon area. My own ancestor was a Peter Nowland born near Ballon around 1796. My Peter was the son of a James Nowlan married to Mary Clowry (nee Shortall) and James Nowlan seems to have had a brother named Michael married to an Anne Brennan who also named a son Peter in 1793. The latter also had a daughter named Catherine in 1794. Both Peter and Catherine were baptized in the Ballon church. Regards, Roger http://nolanfamilies.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Germaine" <germaine.cowell@tiscali.co.uk> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Deere/Deer/Dear Family Hi again Thanks Roger on Mary and Thomas marriage cert one witness is a Denis Nolan. I haven't found about him I should imagine he is a relative. Germaine x Hi! Nothing much to add except to say that I believe that the "Mr. Nowland the priest" mentioned below was likely the Reverend Doctor Nicholas Nowland who was leasing a large piece of land from the Leckys in the Ballon area in 1787 and was also the Parish Priest of Ballon in the 1780s. Regards, Roger Nowlan Good evening all, With thanks to Mick Purcell I have managed to trace a line in my family tree to the late 1700's to two brothers; John Dear and Thomas Dear, the latter from which I descend and who married a Judith Dunne. I imagine the brothers were born c1775 or earlier. Information I have to date (Source: Carlow Heritage Society/Clayton-Browne Papers/Mick Purcell): There is a Judith Dunne listed at Raheenwood, Old Leighlin, in Griffith's Valuations 1852 as renting 'Houses, and Land' from Anne Vigors and Sisters. Land area listed as follows: A=2 R=1 r=29. Cost of land rent IR£1. House rent is 5 shillings making total, IR£1 and 5 shillings. This may be the same Judith Dunne who married Thomas. If so, he may have passed away by this point, if this was the home that he and his wife settled in. Extract from Browne-Clayton Papers: 'Kallender of Prisoners in Custody Newton, Esquire, High Sheriff of Carlow, 6th day of October 1796. Edward Byrne fined two marks and to give Security to be of the Peace for seven years. John Rourke guilty of assault, fined one mark (13 shillings and 4 pence) and then discharged. Thomas Deer found guilty of two assaults and to be imprisoned for a fortnight, fined six pence.' This also tells us Thomas was a blacksmith. Following the 1798 rebellion men in the area made the statements such as the following made by Thomas (records found in UK by, and held by, Mick Purcell): 'Thomas Deer of Bridewell Lane, Dealer, Sworn by his brother John Deer of Cockpit lane, had a pike and gave to Mr. Nowland the priest and requires a protection.' Thomas's son James raised his own family on Pollerton Road, but I would like to find out where his father Thomas and uncle James were born. I have a feeling it may be Killeshin. I may be wrong. I am at a dead end at this point and so far have been unable to find out who the parents of Thomas and John are. 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Bill, The ruins of the old Barragh church/abbey are between Kildavin and Myshall in a small valley with a stream running along the valley floor, flowing in the direction of Kildavin. When I last visted Co. Carlow I identified where they were but could not get close to them. Using binoculars I could however see that there seemed to be a few old stones in an area overgrown with brush. I also seem to remember reading that the Barragh church was abandoned in the 1700s. Based upon the location of Barragh it is possible that the old registers were forwarded to Kildavin, Clonegal or Myshall. Bye for now, Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Webster" <wbwebster@internode.on.net> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Barragh > Can anyone tell me the fate of the registers of Barragh Church of Ireland? > Or, which was the local church? In Griffith's, even then the ancient > church > is described as a ruins, with a graveyard. Bill > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Roger Thanks for the interest. Oct. 24th 1870 Roman Catholic Chapel Carlow Thomas Cleary Bachelor 23 Dealer father Owen Cleary Dealer. Mary Anne Nolan Spinster 17 Domestic Servant father Peter Nolan Labourer Wit. Denis Nolan Eliza Moony ? Her surname hard to read but looks very much like Moony. No They are definatley the parents to my Grandmother Sarah. I have her birth cert too so am 100% I did think what a strange coincedence when I saw those names. Yes my name is French but came from a lady in Belguim. During the war a couple were very kind to my Dad and kept in touch with him. When they were told my Mum was expecting they were asked if they would call the baby after one of them. If I had been a boy I would have been Emile ? oh dear can't even spell it. Perhaps you are right and she liked the name because it was French and she felt it was a connection to her ancestors. I know one thing it was heaven help anyone that tried to shorten it :-) Germaine x Germaine, Thank you for your Email. The Nolan first names "Peter" and "Denis" certainly are of interest to me as I keep coming across them in my own family research. To help me look for any possible connectionss I would appreciate getting the particulars (time, place, names) on the marriage certificate you mention in your earlier Email saying "on Mary and Thomas marriage cert one witness is a Denis Nolan". Knowing the timeframe and location may help me make a link to some of the information I have on my personal computer. A thought also occurred to me regarding the names Thomas Cleary and Mary Anne Nolan. Could they have been "grandparents" as opposed to "parents". In some old records I have come across an instance where a child seemed to have been baptized with the granparents given as the godparents. In this particular case the baptism seemed to have been done in private the priest being a Nolan relative. Thinking along similar lines, could the child in question have been placed for care with his grandparents who took care of him? Could the "Thomas Clear" and "Mary Nowlan" given in my earlier Email (see below) have been the "grandparents" of your ancestor? >From correspondence, I know a bit more about the "Clear" family mentioned in my online story (submitted by Inez Allen, now deceased). From family tradition, it appears that the family lived in the Ballon area in the early 1800s on Lecky land (part of the Ballykealey estate) and that the Leckys evicted them sometime around 1860. Several Nolan families lived in this area including my own. Bye for now, Roger P.S. On the subject of first names, it would appear that the first name "Peter" was adopted from the Normans. In Norman French, Peter was "Piers" as in Piers Butler. In Modern French Peter is "Pierre" (but identically pronounced) and, of course, Piers, pronounced the English way, also gave rise to Pearce/Pierce as in PearceBrosnan. I also found your first name "Germaine" interesting as I have never heard it before except in French. I am of Acadian descent on my mother's side and French is my mother tongue. I guess a part of your mother still lives on in you having chosen for you what is generally perceived at least here in Canada as a French name. She must have had a strong affinity to her French heritage. ********************* http://nolanfamilies.org ********************** From: "Germaine" <germaine.cowell@tiscali.co.uk> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cleary Family & Peter Nolan (Germaine) Thank you Roger all that is very interesting and could be the clue we need. It is strange you say about the De Clare I am sure my Mum once said about Cleary originating from France. Wish I had taken more notice of her. Things she used to say I thought she was just guessing but other things from this side of the water have turned out right. Wish she was here now. Thanks again Germaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cleary Family & Peter Nolan (Germaine) Germaine, "Denis" may be a clue as to the origins of the particular Nolan family. I know for a fact that Denis was a first name used in the Ballon area as far back as the late 1700s (e.g. one "Denys Nowlan" aged 16 died in 1777 and is buried in the Templepeter cemetery0. I also know for a fact that the "Michael Nolan" of Cunnaberry who died in 2002 in his late 80s had 6 or 7 Denis' in a row in his ancestry. All this to say that the first name Denis seems to have been prevalent in the Ballon area. I also note that there was Thomas Clear from the Ballon area married a Mary Ann Nowlan in the early 1800s. (NOTE: I believe that Cleary & Clear are vaiations on the original surname De Clare) Here is what I have the above -mentioned Thomas Clear: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1831 : Kilconnor, Co. Carlow, IE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [175] Mary Nowlan (???? - ????) - from Ireland [176] Thomas Clear (???? - ????) - from Ireland Children: Johanna (c1831), possibly others More on Thomas Clear and children: Children of MARY NOWLAN and THOMAS CLEAR: Johanna (c1831) of Kilconnor m. John KELLY (c1831-1875) of Killane in St. Andrews RC Church, Bagenalstown, Co. Carlow, on July 01, 1858; they emigrated to Canada between 1869 and 1871 and settled in Farrelton, Quebec, located along the Gatineau river. This was at a time when the Gatineau river was used for logging emptying into the Ottawa river at Ottawa. Johanna died in East Templeton (now Gatineau, QC) located at the mouth of the Gatineau river. ... ****************** "Peter" was also a first name for Nolan found in the Ballon area. My own ancestor was a Peter Nowland born near Ballon around 1796. My Peter was the son of a James Nowlan married to Mary Clowry (nee Shortall) and James Nowlan seems to have had a brother named Michael married to an Anne Brennan who also named a son Peter in 1793. The latter also had a daughter named Catherine in 1794. Both Peter and Catherine were baptized in the Ballon church. Regards, Roger http://nolanfamilies.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Germaine" <germaine.cowell@tiscali.co.uk> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Deere/Deer/Dear Family Hi again Thanks Roger on Mary and Thomas marriage cert one witness is a Denis Nolan. I haven't found about him I should imagine he is a relative. Germaine x Hi! Nothing much to add except to say that I believe that the "Mr. Nowland the priest" mentioned below was likely the Reverend Doctor Nicholas Nowland who was leasing a large piece of land from the Leckys in the Ballon area in 1787 and was also the Parish Priest of Ballon in the 1780s. Regards, Roger Nowlan Good evening all, With thanks to Mick Purcell I have managed to trace a line in my family tree to the late 1700's to two brothers; John Dear and Thomas Dear, the latter from which I descend and who married a Judith Dunne. I imagine the brothers were born c1775 or earlier. Information I have to date (Source: Carlow Heritage Society/Clayton-Browne Papers/Mick Purcell): There is a Judith Dunne listed at Raheenwood, Old Leighlin, in Griffith's Valuations 1852 as renting 'Houses, and Land' from Anne Vigors and Sisters. Land area listed as follows: A=2 R=1 r=29. Cost of land rent IR£1. House rent is 5 shillings making total, IR£1 and 5 shillings. This may be the same Judith Dunne who married Thomas. If so, he may have passed away by this point, if this was the home that he and his wife settled in. Extract from Browne-Clayton Papers: 'Kallender of Prisoners in Custody Newton, Esquire, High Sheriff of Carlow, 6th day of October 1796. Edward Byrne fined two marks and to give Security to be of the Peace for seven years. John Rourke guilty of assault, fined one mark (13 shillings and 4 pence) and then discharged. Thomas Deer found guilty of two assaults and to be imprisoned for a fortnight, fined six pence.' This also tells us Thomas was a blacksmith. Following the 1798 rebellion men in the area made the statements such as the following made by Thomas (records found in UK by, and held by, Mick Purcell): 'Thomas Deer of Bridewell Lane, Dealer, Sworn by his brother John Deer of Cockpit lane, had a pike and gave to Mr. Nowland the priest and requires a protection.' Thomas's son James raised his own family on Pollerton Road, but I would like to find out where his father Thomas and uncle James were born. I have a feeling it may be Killeshin. I may be wrong. I am at a dead end at this point and so far have been unable to find out who the parents of Thomas and John are. Can anyone point me in the right direction, offer some suggestions? -- Regards, Kristian

Germaine, Thank you for clarifications. I will see if I can match up the record given below with anything I may have in my files. As regards the family name Moony, I believe that it is more generally spelled Mooney. I know of at least two Mooney-Nolan connections here in Canada, one was in the same area as where my ancestor settled in New Brunswick (Buctouche area) and the other one in Nova Scotia (Cape Breton). Bye for now, Roger ***** John Mooney m. Virginie Nowlan c. 1900 (Buctouche area) ++ Viginie, daughter of Martin, son of James Nowlan of Miramichi area (the latter James fought in the War of Independence and eventually settled in the Miramichi area dying around 1845 aged circa 105); this is not my own line but a branch lived in the same area as my line. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Germaine Cowell" <germaine.cowell@tiscali.co.uk> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cleary Family & Peter Nolan (Germaine Hi Roger Thanks for the interest. Oct. 24th 1870 Roman Catholic Chapel Carlow Thomas Cleary Bachelor 23 Dealer father Owen Cleary Dealer. Mary Anne Nolan Spinster 17 Domestic Servant father Peter Nolan Labourer Wit. Denis Nolan Eliza Moony ? Her surname hard to read but looks very much like Moony. No They are definatley the parents to my Grandmother Sarah. I have her birth cert too so am 100% I did think what a strange coincedence when I saw those names. Yes my name is French but came from a lady in Belguim. During the war a couple were very kind to my Dad and kept in touch with him. When they were told my Mum was expecting they were asked if they would call the baby after one of them. If I had been a boy I would have been Emile ? oh dear can't even spell it. Perhaps you are right and she liked the name because it was French and she felt it was a connection to her ancestors. I know one thing it was heaven help anyone that tried to shorten it :-) Germaine x Germaine, Thank you for your Email. The Nolan first names "Peter" and "Denis" certainly are of interest to me as I keep coming across them in my own family research. To help me look for any possible connectionss I would appreciate getting the particulars (time, place, names) on the marriage certificate you mention in your earlier Email saying "on Mary and Thomas marriage cert one witness is a Denis Nolan". Knowing the timeframe and location may help me make a link to some of the information I have on my personal computer. A thought also occurred to me regarding the names Thomas Cleary and Mary Anne Nolan. Could they have been "grandparents" as opposed to "parents". In some old records I have come across an instance where a child seemed to have been baptized with the granparents given as the godparents. In this particular case the baptism seemed to have been done in private the priest being a Nolan relative. Thinking along similar lines, could the child in question have been placed for care with his grandparents who took care of him? Could the "Thomas Clear" and "Mary Nowlan" given in my earlier Email (see below) have been the "grandparents" of your ancestor? >From correspondence, I know a bit more about the "Clear" family mentioned >in my online story (submitted by Inez Allen, now deceased). From family tradition, it appears that the family lived in the Ballon area in the early 1800s on Lecky land (part of the Ballykealey estate) and that the Leckys evicted them sometime around 1860. Several Nolan families lived in this area including my own. Bye for now, Roger P.S. On the subject of first names, it would appear that the first name "Peter" was adopted from the Normans. In Norman French, Peter was "Piers" as in Piers Butler. In Modern French Peter is "Pierre" (but identically pronounced) and, of course, Piers, pronounced the English way, also gave rise to Pearce/Pierce as in PearceBrosnan. I also found your first name "Germaine" interesting as I have never heard it before except in French. I am of Acadian descent on my mother's side and French is my mother tongue. I guess a part of your mother still lives on in you having chosen for you what is generally perceived at least here in Canada as a French name. She must have had a strong affinity to her French heritage. ********************* http://nolanfamilies.org ********************** From: "Germaine" <germaine.cowell@tiscali.co.uk> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cleary Family & Peter Nolan (Germaine) Thank you Roger all that is very interesting and could be the clue we need. It is strange you say about the De Clare I am sure my Mum once said about Cleary originating from France. Wish I had taken more notice of her. Things she used to say I thought she was just guessing but other things from this side of the water have turned out right. Wish she was here now. Thanks again Germaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cleary Family & Peter Nolan (Germaine) Germaine, "Denis" may be a clue as to the origins of the particular Nolan family. I know for a fact that Denis was a first name used in the Ballon area as far back as the late 1700s (e.g. one "Denys Nowlan" aged 16 died in 1777 and is buried in the Templepeter cemetery0. I also know for a fact that the "Michael Nolan" of Cunnaberry who died in 2002 in his late 80s had 6 or 7 Denis' in a row in his ancestry. All this to say that the first name Denis seems to have been prevalent in the Ballon area. I also note that there was Thomas Clear from the Ballon area married a Mary Ann Nowlan in the early 1800s. (NOTE: I believe that Cleary & Clear are vaiations on the original surname De Clare) Here is what I have the above -mentioned Thomas Clear: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1831 : Kilconnor, Co. Carlow, IE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [175] Mary Nowlan (???? - ????) - from Ireland [176] Thomas Clear (???? - ????) - from Ireland Children: Johanna (c1831), possibly others More on Thomas Clear and children: Children of MARY NOWLAN and THOMAS CLEAR: Johanna (c1831) of Kilconnor m. John KELLY (c1831-1875) of Killane in St. Andrews RC Church, Bagenalstown, Co. Carlow, on July 01, 1858; they emigrated to Canada between 1869 and 1871 and settled in Farrelton, Quebec, located along the Gatineau river. This was at a time when the Gatineau river was used for logging emptying into the Ottawa river at Ottawa. Johanna died in East Templeton (now Gatineau, QC) located at the mouth of the Gatineau river. ... ****************** "Peter" was also a first name for Nolan found in the Ballon area. My own ancestor was a Peter Nowland born near Ballon around 1796. My Peter was the son of a James Nowlan married to Mary Clowry (nee Shortall) and James Nowlan seems to have had a brother named Michael married to an Anne Brennan who also named a son Peter in 1793. The latter also had a daughter named Catherine in 1794. Both Peter and Catherine were baptized in the Ballon church. Regards, Roger http://nolanfamilies.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Germaine" <germaine.cowell@tiscali.co.uk> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Deere/Deer/Dear Family Hi again Thanks Roger on Mary and Thomas marriage cert one witness is a Denis Nolan. I haven't found about him I should imagine he is a relative. Germaine x Hi! Nothing much to add except to say that I believe that the "Mr. Nowland the priest" mentioned below was likely the Reverend Doctor Nicholas Nowland who was leasing a large piece of land from the Leckys in the Ballon area in 1787 and was also the Parish Priest of Ballon in the 1780s. Regards, Roger Nowlan Good evening all, With thanks to Mick Purcell I have managed to trace a line in my family tree to the late 1700's to two brothers; John Dear and Thomas Dear, the latter from which I descend and who married a Judith Dunne. I imagine the brothers were born c1775 or earlier. Information I have to date (Source: Carlow Heritage Society/Clayton-Browne Papers/Mick Purcell): There is a Judith Dunne listed at Raheenwood, Old Leighlin, in Griffith's Valuations 1852 as renting 'Houses, and Land' from Anne Vigors and Sisters. Land area listed as follows: A=2 R=1 r=29. Cost of land rent IR£1. House rent is 5 shillings making total, IR£1 and 5 shillings. This may be the same Judith Dunne who married Thomas. If so, he may have passed away by this point, if this was the home that he and his wife settled in. Extract from Browne-Clayton Papers: 'Kallender of Prisoners in Custody Newton, Esquire, High Sheriff of Carlow, 6th day of October 1796. Edward Byrne fined two marks and to give Security to be of the Peace for seven years. John Rourke guilty of assault, fined one mark (13 shillings and 4 pence) and then discharged. Thomas Deer found guilty of two assaults and to be imprisoned for a fortnight, fined six pence.' This also tells us Thomas was a blacksmith. Following the 1798 rebellion men in the area made the statements such as the following made by Thomas (records found in UK by, and held by, Mick Purcell): 'Thomas Deer of Bridewell Lane, Dealer, Sworn by his brother John Deer of Cockpit lane, had a pike and gave to Mr. Nowland the priest and requires a protection.' Thomas's son James raised his own family on Pollerton Road, but I would like to find out where his father Thomas and uncle James were born. I have a feeling it may be Killeshin. I may be wrong. I am at a dead end at this point and so far have been unable to find out who the parents of Thomas and John are. Can anyone point me in the right direction, offer some suggestions? -- Regards, Kristian ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. Its FREE! --------------------------------------- To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Germaine, Thank you for your Email. The Nolan first names "Peter" and "Denis" certainly are of interest to me as I keep coming across them in my own family research. To help me look for any possible connectionss I would appreciate getting the particulars (time, place, names) on the marriage certificate you mention in your earlier Email saying "on Mary and Thomas marriage cert one witness is a Denis Nolan". Knowing the timeframe and location may help me make a link to some of the information I have on my personal computer. A thought also occurred to me regarding the names Thomas Cleary and Mary Anne Nolan. Could they have been "grandparents" as opposed to "parents". In some old records I have come across an instance where a child seemed to have been baptized with the granparents given as the godparents. In this particular case the baptism seemed to have been done in private the priest being a Nolan relative. Thinking along similar lines, could the child in question have been placed for care with his grandparents who took care of him? Could the "Thomas Clear" and "Mary Nowlan" given in my earlier Email (see below) have been the "grandparents" of your ancestor? >From correspondence, I know a bit more about the "Clear" family mentioned in my online story (submitted by Inez Allen, now deceased). From family tradition, it appears that the family lived in the Ballon area in the early 1800s on Lecky land (part of the Ballykealey estate) and that the Leckys evicted them sometime around 1860. Several Nolan families lived in this area including my own. Bye for now, Roger P.S. On the subject of first names, it would appear that the first name "Peter" was adopted from the Normans. In Norman French, Peter was "Piers" as in Piers Butler. In Modern French Peter is "Pierre" (but identically pronounced) and, of course, Piers, pronounced the English way, also gave rise to Pearce/Pierce as in PearceBrosnan. I also found your first name "Germaine" interesting as I have never heard it before except in French. I am of Acadian descent on my mother's side and French is my mother tongue. I guess a part of your mother still lives on in you having chosen for you what is generally perceived at least here in Canada as a French name. She must have had a strong affinity to her French heritage. ********************* http://nolanfamilies.org ********************** From: "Germaine" <germaine.cowell@tiscali.co.uk> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cleary Family & Peter Nolan (Germaine) Thank you Roger all that is very interesting and could be the clue we need. It is strange you say about the De Clare I am sure my Mum once said about Cleary originating from France. Wish I had taken more notice of her. Things she used to say I thought she was just guessing but other things from this side of the water have turned out right. Wish she was here now. Thanks again Germaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cleary Family & Peter Nolan (Germaine) Germaine, "Denis" may be a clue as to the origins of the particular Nolan family. I know for a fact that Denis was a first name used in the Ballon area as far back as the late 1700s (e.g. one "Denys Nowlan" aged 16 died in 1777 and is buried in the Templepeter cemetery0. I also know for a fact that the "Michael Nolan" of Cunnaberry who died in 2002 in his late 80s had 6 or 7 Denis' in a row in his ancestry. All this to say that the first name Denis seems to have been prevalent in the Ballon area. I also note that there was Thomas Clear from the Ballon area married a Mary Ann Nowlan in the early 1800s. (NOTE: I believe that Cleary & Clear are vaiations on the original surname De Clare) Here is what I have the above -mentioned Thomas Clear: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1831 : Kilconnor, Co. Carlow, IE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [175] Mary Nowlan (???? - ????) - from Ireland [176] Thomas Clear (???? - ????) - from Ireland Children: Johanna (c1831), possibly others More on Thomas Clear and children: Children of MARY NOWLAN and THOMAS CLEAR: Johanna (c1831) of Kilconnor m. John KELLY (c1831-1875) of Killane in St. Andrews RC Church, Bagenalstown, Co. Carlow, on July 01, 1858; they emigrated to Canada between 1869 and 1871 and settled in Farrelton, Quebec, located along the Gatineau river. This was at a time when the Gatineau river was used for logging emptying into the Ottawa river at Ottawa. Johanna died in East Templeton (now Gatineau, QC) located at the mouth of the Gatineau river. ... ****************** "Peter" was also a first name for Nolan found in the Ballon area. My own ancestor was a Peter Nowland born near Ballon around 1796. My Peter was the son of a James Nowlan married to Mary Clowry (nee Shortall) and James Nowlan seems to have had a brother named Michael married to an Anne Brennan who also named a son Peter in 1793. The latter also had a daughter named Catherine in 1794. Both Peter and Catherine were baptized in the Ballon church. Regards, Roger http://nolanfamilies.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Germaine" <germaine.cowell@tiscali.co.uk> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Deere/Deer/Dear Family Hi again Thanks Roger on Mary and Thomas marriage cert one witness is a Denis Nolan. I haven't found about him I should imagine he is a relative. Germaine x Hi! Nothing much to add except to say that I believe that the "Mr. Nowland the priest" mentioned below was likely the Reverend Doctor Nicholas Nowland who was leasing a large piece of land from the Leckys in the Ballon area in 1787 and was also the Parish Priest of Ballon in the 1780s. Regards, Roger Nowlan Good evening all, With thanks to Mick Purcell I have managed to trace a line in my family tree to the late 1700's to two brothers; John Dear and Thomas Dear, the latter from which I descend and who married a Judith Dunne. I imagine the brothers were born c1775 or earlier. Information I have to date (Source: Carlow Heritage Society/Clayton-Browne Papers/Mick Purcell): There is a Judith Dunne listed at Raheenwood, Old Leighlin, in Griffith's Valuations 1852 as renting 'Houses, and Land' from Anne Vigors and Sisters. Land area listed as follows: A=2 R=1 r=29. Cost of land rent IR£1. House rent is 5 shillings making total, IR£1 and 5 shillings. This may be the same Judith Dunne who married Thomas. If so, he may have passed away by this point, if this was the home that he and his wife settled in. Extract from Browne-Clayton Papers: 'Kallender of Prisoners in Custody Newton, Esquire, High Sheriff of Carlow, 6th day of October 1796. Edward Byrne fined two marks and to give Security to be of the Peace for seven years. John Rourke guilty of assault, fined one mark (13 shillings and 4 pence) and then discharged. Thomas Deer found guilty of two assaults and to be imprisoned for a fortnight, fined six pence.' This also tells us Thomas was a blacksmith. Following the 1798 rebellion men in the area made the statements such as the following made by Thomas (records found in UK by, and held by, Mick Purcell): 'Thomas Deer of Bridewell Lane, Dealer, Sworn by his brother John Deer of Cockpit lane, had a pike and gave to Mr. Nowland the priest and requires a protection.' Thomas's son James raised his own family on Pollerton Road, but I would like to find out where his father Thomas and uncle James were born. I have a feeling it may be Killeshin. I may be wrong. I am at a dead end at this point and so far have been unable to find out who the parents of Thomas and John are. Can anyone point me in the right direction, offer some suggestions? -- Regards, Kristian ======================================= -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2925 - Release Date: 06/08/10 07:35:00 ======================================= Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must subscribe to the List. 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Anna, I can't say I have heard of the De Clare having a big house in Sligo but I can believe that one might have been built there in the early 1300s, especially if they had been supporters of the Knights Templar through their association with William Marshall who had married Isabel de Clare (daughter of Richard "Strongbow" de Clare) in the late 1100s. William Marshall, regent of England by the time of his death in the early 1200s was a strong supporter of the Knights Templar and made the Templar vows upon his deathbed. Strongbow only had daughters so his line continued through his daughters, the Bigod line in Carlow being one of them. Roger Bigod, Lord of Carlow in 1297 and grandson of William Marshall and Isabel de Clare (daughter of Richard "Strongbow" de Clare) was, I believe, also sympathetic to the Templars when their order was disssolved in the early 1300s, refusing in 1297 to fight against the French ("[By God] I will neither hang nor go"). I am not familiar with other branches of the De Clare family and it is possible that one settled in Sligo. ( link to info. on Strongbow http://www.castlewales.com/is_clare.html ). In the first decade of the 1300s, many of the Templar knights fled to Scotland via the ports of Sligo and Tyrone, with the help of the "Fisher King" of Tyrone and went on to assist the Scots win at Bannockburn in 1315. Bye for now, Roger *************** http://nolanfamilies.org ******************* ----- Original Message ----- From: <annagolan@eircom.net> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cleary Family & Peter Nolan (Germaine) > just out of interest - i met a lady in london once who informed she had > descended from the De Clare family who she believes had a "big house" or > gentry estate in Sligo. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Germaine" <germaine.cowell@tiscali.co.uk> > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 14 June, 2010 08:39:42 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, > Portugal > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cleary Family & Peter Nolan (Germaine) > > Thank you Roger all that is very interesting and could be the clue we > need. > It is strange you say about the De Clare I am sure my Mum once said about > Cleary originating from France. Wish I had taken more notice of her. > Things > she used to say I thought she was just guessing but other things from this > side of the water have turned out right. Wish she was here now. > > Thanks again > Germaine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Nowlan" <rnowlan@primus.ca> > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:22 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Cleary Family & Peter Nolan (Germaine) > > > Germaine, > > "Denis" may be a clue as to the origins of the particular Nolan family. > I know for a fact that Denis was a first name used in the Ballon area as > far > back as the late 1700s (e.g. one "Denys Nowlan" aged 16 died in 1777 and > is > buried in the Templepeter cemetery0. I also know for a fact that the > "Michael Nolan" of Cunnaberry who died in 2002 in his late 80s had 6 or 7 > Denis' in a row in his ancestry. All this to say that the first name Denis > seems to have been prevalent in the Ballon area. > > I also note that there was Thomas Clear from the Ballon area married a > Mary > Ann Nowlan in the early 1800s. > (NOTE: I believe that Cleary & Clear are vaiations on the original surname > De Clare) > > Here is what I have the above -mentioned Thomas Clear: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 1831 : Kilconnor, Co. Carlow, IE > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > [175] Mary Nowlan (???? - ????) - from Ireland > [176] Thomas Clear (???? - ????) - from Ireland > Children: Johanna (c1831), possibly others > More on Thomas Clear and children: > Children of MARY NOWLAN and THOMAS CLEAR: > > Johanna (c1831) of Kilconnor m. John KELLY (c1831-1875) of Killane in St. > Andrews RC Church, Bagenalstown, Co. Carlow, on July 01, 1858; they > emigrated to Canada between 1869 and 1871 and settled in Farrelton, > Quebec, > located along the Gatineau river. This was at a time when the Gatineau > river > was used for logging emptying into the Ottawa river at Ottawa. Johanna > died > in East Templeton (now Gatineau, QC) located at the mouth of the Gatineau > river. > ... > > ****************** > > "Peter" was also a first name for Nolan found in the Ballon area. My own > ancestor was a Peter Nowland born near Ballon around 1796. My Peter was > the > son of a James Nowlan married to Mary Clowry (nee Shortall) and James > Nowlan > seems to have had a brother named Michael married to an Anne Brennan who > also named a son Peter in 1793. The latter also had a daughter named > Catherine in 1794. Both Peter and Catherine were baptized in the Ballon > church. > > Regards, Roger > > http://nolanfamilies.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Germaine" <germaine.cowell@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:15 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Deere/Deer/Dear Family > > > > Hi again > Thanks Roger > on Mary and Thomas marriage cert one witness is a Denis Nolan. > I haven't found about him I should imagine he is a relative. > Germaine > x > Hi! > Nothing much to add except to say that I believe that the "Mr. Nowland the > priest" mentioned below was likely the Reverend Doctor Nicholas Nowland > who > was leasing a large piece of land from the Leckys in the Ballon area in > 1787 > and was also the Parish Priest of Ballon in the 1780s. > > Regards, > Roger Nowlan > > > Good evening all, > > With thanks to Mick Purcell I have managed to trace a line in my family > tree > to the late 1700's to two brothers; John Dear and Thomas Dear, the latter > from which I descend and who married a Judith Dunne. I imagine the > brothers > were born c1775 or earlier. > > Information I have to date (Source: Carlow Heritage Society/Clayton-Browne > Papers/Mick Purcell): > > There is a Judith Dunne listed at Raheenwood, Old Leighlin, in Griffith's > Valuations 1852 as renting 'Houses, and Land' from Anne Vigors and > Sisters. > Land area listed as follows: A=2 R=1 r=29. Cost of land rent IR£1. House > rent is 5 shillings making total, IR£1 and 5 shillings. This may be the > same > Judith Dunne who married Thomas. If so, he may have passed away by this > point, if this was the home that he and his wife settled in. > > Extract from Browne-Clayton Papers: > 'Kallender of Prisoners in Custody Newton, Esquire, High Sheriff of > Carlow, > 6th day of October 1796. > Edward Byrne fined two marks and to give Security to be of the Peace for > seven years. > John Rourke guilty of assault, fined one mark (13 shillings and 4 pence) > and > then discharged. > Thomas Deer found guilty of two assaults and to be imprisoned for a > fortnight, fined six pence.' > This also tells us Thomas was a blacksmith. > > Following the 1798 rebellion men in the area made the statements such as > the > following made by Thomas (records found in UK by, and held by, Mick > Purcell): > 'Thomas Deer of Bridewell Lane, Dealer, Sworn by his brother John Deer of > Cockpit lane, had a pike and gave to Mr. Nowland the priest and requires a > protection.' > > Thomas's son James raised his own family on Pollerton Road, but I would > like > to find out where his father Thomas and uncle James were born. I have a > feeling it may be Killeshin. I may be wrong. I am at a dead end at this > point and so far have been unable to find out who the parents of Thomas > and > John are. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction, offer some suggestions? > > -- > Regards, > > Kristian > ======================================= > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2925 - Release Date: 06/08/10 > 07:35:00 > > ======================================= > Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must > subscribe > to the List. Its FREE! > --------------------------------------- > To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CARLOW-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" (without the > quotes) in the Subject box. 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I remember in the 90's, on my visits to Ireland, we would walk through the grounds from the Dublin Road on a Tuesday night to get to the dance in the hotel. It never bothered us that it was pitch black along that path, we would come back the same way, late as it was. To the left of the path was a huge wall, probably the height of the wall that Carloman2 refers to. A few years later I visited at the hospital, finding it light and airy, with the patients seeming to be well taken care of. Jack Langton

Anyone with knowledge about a Bayley (or Bailey or Bailie) family from Moneygrath? There is the birth in 1880 of ABRAHAM BAILEY at Moneygrath, father SAMUEL BAILEY and mother ROSANNA LEVINGSTONE BAILEY [FamilySearch Pilot site]. It is believed by a descendant that Abraham had brothers Bill, Ben, John and Sam. Bill.

St Dympna's hospital was behind high walls, these were lowered in the early 1960s and the public were allowed access through the grounds from the Dublin road to the Athy road. I think a Doctor Blake was instrumental in this new approach. The hospital had its own farmland, crops including vegetables for the hospital kitchens were tended by male patients under supervision. They had their own herd of cattle and the beasts were slaughtered on a weekly basis in a small stone shed not far from the church (now the military museum). The hospital had its own tailor Mr. Moloney. The male patients were dressed in grey herringbone tweed suits with matching caps and hobnailed boots. The male inmates of the "workhouse" and later The Sacred Heart hospital had similar attire but their suits were brown tweed. I never saw female patients on the streets of Carlow but men from both institutions were a regular feature. The staff of the hospital included "Attendants" perhaps these were the forerunner of nurses! PP

yes st. dympna is the patron saint of mental illness and was murdered (beheaded by her father) ----- Original Message ----- From: "frances heidel" <fradel@comcast.net> To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 14 June, 2010 17:25:29 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow lunatic Asylum I thought St Dymphna was patroness of cancer patients....I'm wrong.....she's patroness of those with mental conditions and nervous disorders. Evidently she was martyred by her father by whatever reason. Suitable name for a hospital of that kind. On Jun 14, 2010, at 6:13 AM, annagolan@eircom.net wrote: > for anyone looking for records of "the lunatic ayslum" in carlow > you can always write to Mrs Eileen McGill who is the "keeper" of > such records in what is now called St. Dympna's hospital. i do not > know how far back the records go or how well kept they are - but > with the freedom of information act it is quite possible that you > are entitled to some information. i hope this is helpful and sorry > eileen if this instigates a flood of letters! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "frances heidel" <fradel@comcast.net> > To: irl-carlow@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, 13 June, 2010 18:17:58 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, > Ireland, Portugal > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow lunatic Asylum > > Didn't they institutionalize people for being more than heavy > drinkers?? i wonder if they ever came to the realization that once > the drinking stopped, they were perfectly normal and didn't need the > institutionalization. > On Jun 13, 2010, at 7:25 AM, michael purcell wrote: > >> my uncle was a patient in the asylum around the same time , I will >> check >> during the coming week, >> >> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Michelle Wilson >> <micpaint.wilson@gmail.com >>> wrote: >> >>> Thank you, Mike. I am trying to reconcile the disappearance of my >>> g-g-grandfather after his second marriage in 1881 after the death >>> of his >>> first wife Sarah Jane Lemon in 1875.. I recently received a >>> snippet that >>> the person thought he had died on May 22, 1911 at the asylum. His >>> name was >>> Charles Thomas Farley and he was born in Dublin about 1833-34. I was >>> wondering, if this is him, when he was admitted and why. >>> >>> Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated >>> Gratefully, >>> Michelle >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "michael purcell" <carlowmike@gmail.com> >>> To: <irl-carlow@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 12:06 AM >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow lunatic Asylum >>> >>> >>>> it is considered private...but the lists are there ...if you have >>>> one >>> name >>>> I >>>> could check for you , mick >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:47 PM, frances heidel >>>> <fradel@comcast.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Michelle, Wouldn't that information be held as strictly >>>>> confidential? Or is that just in recent history? >>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Michelle Wilson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Can anyone tell me if there is some place on line that I may >>>>>> go to >>>>>> for lists >>>>>> of patients that were housed at the metal; hospital originally >>>>>> known as the >>>>>> Carlow luatic asylum. I cannot come over there to search in >>>>>> person, but >>>>>> think one of my family may have been a patient there tere >>>>>> sometime between >>>>>> 1882 and 1911. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also are there any lists that would show patient deaths from >>>>>> there >>>>>> in about >>>>>> 1910 or 1911? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank You, >>>>>> Michelle >>>>>> >>>>>> ======================================= >>>>>> Before you post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list you must >>>>>> subscribe to the List. 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