While we are awaiting opinions from readers on the Doyle Vs Murphy case I would like to know from Roger or Trevor if we have previously posted data on a connection between John Clowry of Ballytarsna and Patt Crowe of Strawhall, Carlow ?. Both of whom were involved in a Perjury case in 1835, extracts of which we will post at a later date.

Part 2 : - A chance for readers to act as Jury in a 200 year-old case....who do you believe - Peter Doyle or Edward Murphy ?. Note added by Michael Purcell, 2012 : this case caused great confusion among the Justices of the Peace, with Benjamin Bunbury believing and defending the "Sworn Information" he had obtained from Peter Doyle, the Reverend James Mcgrath was equally adamant that Edmund (spelt Edward on Bunbury's sheet ) Murphy was telling the truth, several other Justices became involved. Several members of the Kavanagh clan were examined and swore they knew nothing about the plot or payment of money, Doran swore likewise. James Byrne swore that he was approached by Nowlan to burn down Ballyellen Lodge but he heard nothing about shooting any person, he told Benjamin Bunbury that Nowlan and Hugh Nail had left the townland in January 1818 and had not been seen in the area since. It was decided that Edward Murphy and Peter Doyle should be held in Carlow Jail and that the matter should be settled by Lord Norbury ( the Hanging Judge himself ! ). One of the men had lied after swearing on the Holy Evangelists to tell the truth on examination before a Justice of the Peace for Carlow. Perjury was considered to be a very serious matter to be treated on the same level as murder or horse stealing. Perjury cases in Lord Norbury's court often carried the "death-by-hanging" sentence. Horse Pistols were long pistols that could be held in holsters attached to a horse saddle they were usually carried in pairs, one on each side. ] Pat Purcell Papers. 1818. The Information of Peter Doyle of Ballyellan, Carlow, Carpenter, taken before the Reverend James Mcgrath one of His Majestys Justices for the Peace for Carlow. Peter Doyle being duly sworn on the Holy Evangelists and examined, Deposeth and Saith that about the month of April 1817 - he was applied to by Edmund Murphy of Ballyellan, Farmer, to put up some threatening notices at the Cross roads of Ballyellan, near Patrick Fenlon's house, for the purpose of preventing any person from taking the farm of Denis Barron, adjoining the Cross roads, then at the time out of Lease, and which Walter Blakeney, Esquire, of Ballyellan Lodge was the Landlord. That Peter Doyle did not put up any papers of that description, but wrote one of a threatening nature which he gave to the said Edmund Murphy. In the course of a few days afterwards Edmund Murphy gave Peter Doyle a Crown and desired him to go to the Barony of St. Mullins, and to collect some men to bring with him, for the purpose of burning Ballyellen Lodge. That Peter Doyle went part of the way with the plot, and pretended to the said Edmund Murphy that he had provided a party, but that it would be necessary to send a good deal of money to them. That said Murphy then sayth that it would not be advisable to burn Ballyellen Lodge, as it would bring a tax on the townland, but that it would be better to fire a shot into the house at the said Walter Blakeny, and the said Murphy did then tell Peter Doyle, that he had been in the Parlour with Walter Blakeney, the Evening before and did describe to Peter Doyle the place Walter Blakeney usually sat in, in his parlour, and described the spot. That Edmund Murphy did then tell Peter Doyle the place he should stand in outside the window and the direction in which he should fire. That Edmund Murphy did then give Peter Doyle a Horse Pistol with about half a pound of Gunpowder and about a pound of Swan Drops, desiring him to load the Pistol with them, and to put a bullet or ball in along with them, strictly charging Peter Doyle to fire at the said Walter Blakeney, Esquire, stating that if the shot even missed Mr Blakeney, it would have the effect of frightening Mrs Blakeney and that then Mr Walter Blakeney, would never return to Ballyellan, and by that means no one would dare take any of the lands. And that he the said Edmund Murphy would then get the lands -- Peter Doyle Saith that all through this business He appeared to agree with the said Murphy, for the purpose of knowing what his intentions were, and as soon as he found out they were of a bloody nature, He told the said Murphy, that he would have nothing to do in the business, and if anything happened to Mr Blakeney he would swear against him. Peter Doyle Saith, that he told his brother Patrick Doyle, and several others of the intentions and plots of said Murphy, particularly Patrick Doyle according as the different plots were going on. Patrick Doyle advised him to seem to agree to the plots, until he knew the full extent of Edmund Murphys intentions. That the said Murphy having asked Peter Doyle in some days after giving him the Pistol and ammunition as aforesaid, why he had not done the job, he said it was sugar instead of Gunpowder he had given him and that the said Murphy did give him another paper of Gunpowder, about a quarter a half a pound and that on Peter Doyle reproaching him with his bloody intentions, the said Edmund Murphy demanded the return of the Pistol, which Peter Doyle kept for four of five months before he returned it to Edmund Murphy. (signed) Peter Doyle. Sworn before me this 8th day of August 1818. (signed) James Magrath

Mick, Below is an earlier posting you made which links the Clowry and Crohe/Crowe family's. You should also take note that the Crowes mentioned here were likely from the "Crohe's Cross" area which is essentially at the intersection of the road coming from the Moanmore and Kilkea townlands area (west of the Burren river) and the one coming down from the Killane and Kilknock townlands (east of the Burren). The crossroad is not far (across the bridge crossing the Burren which was recently mentioned as being two fields away from where Rev. William Clowry was born in Ballybrommell (west side of the Burren). You should also note that "Farmer [Darby] Clowry" shot by Rebels in March 1800 was married to Mary Anne "Anne" Crowe/Crohe, potentially a sister of James Crowe of Killane. Also, based on Ballon-Rathoe parish records, in 1833, an Anne Clowry (possibly née Crohe, Framer Clowry`s widow or her daughter also called Anne) stood in as godmother for a "James Crow", son of a James Crow and Eliza Cummins of Killane. Well Mick that`s about it and now, without further ado, here is your relevant earlier posting: ++++++ EARLIER POSTING re. Clowry and Crowe ++++ -----Original Message----- From: michael purcell Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 3:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Clowry+Feltus+Crowe+Cornwall [Note added 2012 by Michael Purcell. Pat Clowry and James Crowe posting Bond for James Feltus before Robert Cornwall. Cornwall of 1798 and "The Croppy Boy" infamy ( "taken was I before Lord Cornwall" ). In 1797 Cornwall had "encouraged" over 800 men in the locality to take the Oath of Allegiance to King George 111 and to his heirs on Land and Sea. ] >From Pat Pucell Papers. 1817 Recognizance to Answer. James Feltus resides at Ballytarsna, Carlow (signed) James, hisXmark, Feltus. Patrick Clowry, Householder, resides at Kilkea, Parish of Fenagh, Barony of Forth, worth £10 Sterling over and above his just Debts. (signed) Patrick Clowry. James Crowe resides at Killane, Parish of Ballon, Barony of Forth, worth £10 Sterling over and above his just Debts. (signed) James Crowe. James Feltus £20 - Patrick Clowry £10 - James Crowe £10. indebted unto our Sovereign Lord King George the Third. The above Bounden James Feltus to appear in his proper person in open Court at Tullow next general Sessions. Taken and Acknowledged before me this 13th day of October 1814.(signed) Robert Cornwall. ++++++++++++++++++++ Also, here is a link to a Google map of the Raheenkillane area where you will be able to see the Crohe’s Cross of which I speak in my note above. It is the most northerly “cross” in the Raheenkillane townland. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Raheenkillane,+Ceatharlach,+Eire&hl=en&ll=52.725897,-6.770582&spn=0.026822,0.075102&sll=52.708843,-6.835556&sspn=0.053666,0.133553&oq=raheenkillane&hnear=Raheenkillane,+County+Carlow,+Ireland&t=m&z=14 The Clowrys of Ballytarsna were definitely related to those of Kilkea. John Clowry of Ballytarsna was a brother of Patrick Clowry of Ballintrane, both being sons of the deceased Farmer Darby Clowry and Anne Crowe/Crohe who had originally lived in the Kilkey-Ballybrommell area in March 1800 when Darby was shot and the family’s house and farmhouses burnt. Anne being a Crowe/Crohe (originally from Wexford according to family tradition) I can only presume that she was somehow related to Patt Crowe of Strawhall. I don’t believe there were too many Crowes/Crohes in Co. Carlow. Circumstantial evidence supporting this is the fact that the John Clowry of Ballytarsna mentioned in the transcription below was the son of Anne (Crowe) Clowry née Crowe. Bye for now, Roger http://nolanfamilies.org -----Original Message----- From: michael purcell Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 3:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Clowry+Crowe question ? While we are awaiting opinions from readers on the Doyle Vs Murphy case I would like to know from Roger or Trevor if we have previously posted data on a connection between John Clowry of Ballytarsna and Patt Crowe of Strawhall, Carlow ?. Both of whom were involved in a Perjury case in 1835, extracts of which we will post at a later date. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mick, Below you write that sometime around August 1818 "James Byrne swore that he was approached by Nowlan to burn down Ballyellen Lodge but he heard nothing about shooting any person, he told Benjamin Bunbury that Nowlan and Hugh Nail had left the townland in January 1818 and had not been seen in the area since. " [RN: I note that, according to part 1 of the transcription, James Byrne had been one of the men which Peter Doyle supposedly had been asked to fetch "for the intention of attacking Ballyellen House and by fire consume the property"; for convenience sake, I repeat here the names of all the men which were to be fetched: "Thomas Kavanagh, Michael Kavanagh, Miley Kavanagh, Patrick Doran, Hugh Nail, James Byrne and James Nowlan all of the Barony of Saint Mullins, Farmers".] In reviewing the information I have for the Ballyellin Nowlans I now believe that the James Nowlan mentioned above is the one buried in the Goresbridge cemetery i.e. James Nolan (c1800-1846) who married Mary Kelly and was living in Goresbridge at the time of his death. In the early 1800s his family was leasing land in the Ballyellin-Tomdarragh townland area and, in 1817-1818, he would have been a teenager, 17-18 years of age. When Thomas Nolan (c1797-1861) of Ballyellin and Tomdarragh made his will in 1859 he bequeathed to Patrick Nolan then of Dublin, son of his brother James Nolan, late of Goresbridge, the lease on lands he held in Ballyellin and Tomdarragh from “Earl __ Kanmare”. Executor of the will was a Rev. James Kavanagh, R.C.C. Bagenalstown. Other witnesses to the will were an Edward Donohoe of Ballyellen and a John Mahoney of Borris. The name of a William Corrigan also appears as commissioner of Oaths. To relate the above to what I wrote in my last Email I now believe that the James Nowlan mentioned in the transcription was a “Jr.” his father potentially being my ancestor James Nowlan who married Mary Shortall in Ballon Village in 1793. James Jr. and Thomas’ father, presumably a James Nowlan, may have been already deceased by 1817 which would be consistent with records in New Brunwick, which indicate him being deaceased in one of the marriage records of his sons, Peter and Edward who emigrated sometime around 1818. Well that’s about it for now, Roger Nowlan http://nolanfamilies.org P.S. For convenience, here again is the transcription for the tombstone in Goresbridge where the name of James Nolan appears. Here is the transcription for their tombstone: " Here lie the remains of JAMES NOLAN late of Goresbridge who departed this life on the 18th January 1846 in the 46th year of his age. This stone is erected to his memory by his beloved wife MARY NOLAN alias KELLY. Also his Brother THOMAS NOLAN who departed this life the 4th of August, 1861, aged 64 years. Also the above named MARY NOLAN who dep'd this life Nov'r 21st 1877, aged 67 years. Also ELLEN NOLAN alias FITZGERALD who died Jan'y 24th 1895, aged 44 yrs. Also ANNE & PATRICK, Children of the above named ELLEN NOLAN died young. R.I.P. " -----Original Message----- From: michael purcell Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 11:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1817 / 1818 Doyle Vs Murphy. Part 2. Part 2 : - A chance for readers to act as Jury in a 200 year-old case....who do you believe - Peter Doyle or Edward Murphy ?. Note added by Michael Purcell, 2012 : this case caused great confusion among the Justices of the Peace, with Benjamin Bunbury believing and defending the "Sworn Information" he had obtained from Peter Doyle, the Reverend James Mcgrath was equally adamant that Edmund (spelt Edward on Bunbury's sheet ) Murphy was telling the truth, several other Justices became involved. Several members of the Kavanagh clan were examined and swore they knew nothing about the plot or payment of money, Doran swore likewise. James Byrne swore that he was approached by Nowlan to burn down Ballyellen Lodge but he heard nothing about shooting any person, he told Benjamin Bunbury that Nowlan and Hugh Nail had left the townland in January 1818 and had not been seen in the area since. It was decided that Edward Murphy and Peter Doyle should be held in Carlow Jail and that the matter should be settled by Lord Norbury ( the Hanging Judge himself ! ). One of the men had lied after swearing on the Holy Evangelists to tell the truth on examination before a Justice of the Peace for Carlow. Perjury was considered to be a very serious matter to be treated on the same level as murder or horse stealing. Perjury cases in Lord Norbury's court often carried the "death-by-hanging" sentence. Horse Pistols were long pistols that could be held in holsters attached to a horse saddle they were usually carried in pairs, one on each side. ] Pat Purcell Papers. 1818. The Information of Peter Doyle of Ballyellan, Carlow, Carpenter, taken before the Reverend James Mcgrath one of His Majestys Justices for the Peace for Carlow. Peter Doyle being duly sworn on the Holy Evangelists and examined, Deposeth and Saith that about the month of April 1817 - he was applied to by Edmund Murphy of Ballyellan, Farmer, to put up some threatening notices at the Cross roads of Ballyellan, near Patrick Fenlon's house, for the purpose of preventing any person from taking the farm of Denis Barron, adjoining the Cross roads, then at the time out of Lease, and which Walter Blakeney, Esquire, of Ballyellan Lodge was the Landlord. That Peter Doyle did not put up any papers of that description, but wrote one of a threatening nature which he gave to the said Edmund Murphy. In the course of a few days afterwards Edmund Murphy gave Peter Doyle a Crown and desired him to go to the Barony of St. Mullins, and to collect some men to bring with him, for the purpose of burning Ballyellen Lodge. That Peter Doyle went part of the way with the plot, and pretended to the said Edmund Murphy that he had provided a party, but that it would be necessary to send a good deal of money to them. That said Murphy then sayth that it would not be advisable to burn Ballyellen Lodge, as it would bring a tax on the townland, but that it would be better to fire a shot into the house at the said Walter Blakeny, and the said Murphy did then tell Peter Doyle, that he had been in the Parlour with Walter Blakeney, the Evening before and did describe to Peter Doyle the place Walter Blakeney usually sat in, in his parlour, and described the spot. That Edmund Murphy did then tell Peter Doyle the place he should stand in outside the window and the direction in which he should fire. That Edmund Murphy did then give Peter Doyle a Horse Pistol with about half a pound of Gunpowder and about a pound of Swan Drops, desiring him to load the Pistol with them, and to put a bullet or ball in along with them, strictly charging Peter Doyle to fire at the said Walter Blakeney, Esquire, stating that if the shot even missed Mr Blakeney, it would have the effect of frightening Mrs Blakeney and that then Mr Walter Blakeney, would never return to Ballyellan, and by that means no one would dare take any of the lands. And that he the said Edmund Murphy would then get the lands -- Peter Doyle Saith that all through this business He appeared to agree with the said Murphy, for the purpose of knowing what his intentions were, and as soon as he found out they were of a bloody nature, He told the said Murphy, that he would have nothing to do in the business, and if anything happened to Mr Blakeney he would swear against him. Peter Doyle Saith, that he told his brother Patrick Doyle, and several others of the intentions and plots of said Murphy, particularly Patrick Doyle according as the different plots were going on. Patrick Doyle advised him to seem to agree to the plots, until he knew the full extent of Edmund Murphys intentions. That the said Murphy having asked Peter Doyle in some days after giving him the Pistol and ammunition as aforesaid, why he had not done the job, he said it was sugar instead of Gunpowder he had given him and that the said Murphy did give him another paper of Gunpowder, about a quarter a half a pound and that on Peter Doyle reproaching him with his bloody intentions, the said Edmund Murphy demanded the return of the Pistol, which Peter Doyle kept for four of five months before he returned it to Edmund Murphy. (signed) Peter Doyle. Sworn before me this 8th day of August 1818. (signed) James Magrath ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

my aunt (through marriage) was peggy byrne (nee ryan) from graiguenamanagh which is next to st. mullins and her step father was eddie coady................so try graiguemanagh for you relatives..............hope this helps! ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 12 May, 2012 2:54:46 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1818. Murphy, Doyle, Kavanagh, Nail, Doran, Byrne, Barron, N... A few comments myself..............Not to contradict the very knowledgeable Roger, who has done so much research on the Nolans, however, there is a Michael Kavanaugh in my family from St. Mullins. This family might as well be ghosts for what I know of them, but I do know that Michael Kavanaugh married Anne Sherwood and had a daughter, Elizabeth, born on January 09, 1864 in Tinnahinch, St. Mullins. Obviously hard to know if it was the Michael Kavanaugh referred to here, but the dates are at least possible, if not probable. There seemed to be Kavanaughs thick on the ground in the area. In addition, Elizabeth Kavanaugh married Michael Ring in the US, but he was from Tinnahinch, St. Mullins also. They might have known one another in Ireland before they came over. His father was Michael Ring and mother Bridget Coady, all in St. Mullins. These names almost never come up on this site, but I live in hopes. One verrry kind person helped me with the Coadys, but the families are still a very tall brick wall, because of the time frame in registering marriages and births, and because of the commonness of the names. If anyone can help out here I'd LOVE to know more about this line of the family, but thought my info might also be helpful to you. Can't wait to read the next installment. Dee Ring In a message dated 5/11/2012 3:12:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Roger and readers, this case gets very complicated as you will find out in my next posting, consisting of four pages it will contradict every line of this Examination in August 1818 of Edward Murphy by Benjamin Bunbury at Carlow Court House.. On 11 May 2012 19:58, Roger Nowlan <[email protected]> wrote: > Just a few comments! > > Based upon other geographical information in the transcription I would say > that the Ballyellin referred to here is the one in Co. Carlow, across the > river from Goresbridge. There is also another part of Ballyellin closer to > Ballon (Killane and Raheenkillane townlands area) but, given the mention of > St. Mullins it is evident that the Ballyellin mentioned here is the one > across the river from Goresbridge. > > In the account of events described below, Peter Doyle was offered money to > fetch several Kavanaghs and a James Nowlan, all of the Barony of St. > Mullins, from St. Mullins mentioned. At this point one may be tempted to > assume that these men were from St. Mullins, however, in my opinion, I > believe that St. Mullins was merely a point of assembly. Ballyellin (at > least this part) is in the Barony of St. Mullins and I believe that the > James Nowlan mentioned was also from the Ballyellin area (more specifically > the Ballyellin-Tomdarragh area; essentially just south of the > "Crossroads"). The Kavanaghs mentioned in the account were likely from the > Borris area where they are more numerous. > > Supporting my conjecture about the above-mentioned James Nowlan is the > fact that during my trip to counties Carlow and Kilkenny last Fall I met > with a Nolan family from the Goresbridge area which traced its ancestry in > the early 1800s to the Ballyellin area. > > In my own family research, one line of investigation is that my ancestor > James Nowlan (who married Mary Shortall in Ballon in 1793) may have moved > to the Ballyellin area after the troubles of 1798. In the mid-1700s a > Rev. Michael Shortall had been parish priest in Ballon and, at his death, > in the 1790s, he was buried "with his ancestors" in Ballyellin. I believe > that my maternal ancestor Mary Shortall was related to this line of > Shortalls from the Ballyellin-Goresbridge area and that the family decision > to move to the Ballyellin area would have been be one based upon having > family ties in the area. > > Besides the two brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick in 1818 (Peter > born circa 1796 and Edward born circa 1798), two other tentative children > of the James Nowlan identified in the transcription below would have been > the Thomas Nolan (c1797-1861) and James Nolan (c1800-1846) buried in the > Goresbridge cemetery. Here is the transcription for their tombstone: > " > Here lie the remains of > JAMES NOLAN late of Goresbridge > who departed this life on the 18th > January 1846 in the 46th year of his age. > This stone is erected to his memory by > his beloved wife MARY NOLAN alias KELLY. > Also his Brother THOMAS NOLAN > who departed this life the > 4th of August, 1861, aged 64 years. > Also the above named MARY NOLAN > who dep'd this life Nov'r 21st 1877, > aged 67 years. > Also ELLEN NOLAN alias FITZGERALD > who died Jan'y 24th 1895, > aged 44 yrs. > Also ANNE & PATRICK, > Children of the above named > ELLEN NOLAN died young. > R.I.P. > " > [RN: Based upon onsite research I know this family originally hailed from > the Ballyellin area.] > > Another interesting observation is the fact that the incident reported in > the transcription happened in April 1817. > The two Nowlan brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick did so around 1818. > > Another piece of circumstantial evidence > linking the Goresbridge Nolans to my line > is the fact that my emigrant ancestor Peter named his children in order: > * Thomas (presumably after the child's great-grandfather and also possibly > an uncle) > * John (after the child's maternal grandfather) > * William James (after the child's grandfather namely "James", also > possibly an uncle > and possibly after an uncle "William") > * Pierre/Peter (after the child's father) > > Well that’s about it. > > Bye for now, > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: michael purcell > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1818. Murphy, Doyle, Kavanagh, Nail, Doran, > Byrne,Barron, Nowlan, Bunbury. > > By Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, one of His Majesties Justices of the Peace > for Carlow. > THE Examination of Edward Murphy of Ballyellen, Farmer, who being this day > Duly Sworn on the Holy Evangelists Deposeth and Saith that on the 17th > April 1817 he was desired by Peter Doyle of Ballyellen, Carpenter, to > collect Threatening Notice papers to the effect that persons should not > rent or lease the farm of David Barron, Farmer, of Ballyellen, then out of > Lease and for renewal of which lands Walter Blakney, Esquire, of Ballyellen > House was Landlord, Peter Doyle expressed his desire to have the > Threatening Papers attached to the Chapel Gates in the area and at the > Cross Roads threatening Death to any person who would take the Lease of the > aforesaid lands. > That about four days after meeting Peter Doyle, he was sought out again by > Doyle who then and there gave him a Crown Sterling and desired him to go to > Saint Mullins to meet with some men to bring to Ballyellen, the names of > which were Thomas Kavanagh, Michael Kavanagh, Miley Kavanagh, Patrick > Doran, Hugh Nail, James Byrne and James Nowlan all of the Barony of Saint > Mullins, Farmers, for the intention of attacking Ballyellen House and by > fire consume the property, Peter Doyle told Edward Murphy that each > man would be paid a Crown Sterling and whatever Chattles and Yokes they > could remove from the House and out-Buildings could be divided among > themselves. > That they should approach the House at ten of the Clock after sunset at > which time Walter Blakney would be in the Palour as was his custom to be so > there and that Peter Doyle had a Pistol and a tin of Gunpowder which he > would give to Edward Murphy with encouragement that he was to shoot the > Bastard Blakney dead as he sat in the Palour and Burn the House, following > which no man would then take the Lands at Ballyellen and the Lands of right > belong from father to son of the Doyles for over one hundred years before > taken from them by David Barron a common rascal of low order and the > aforesaid Lands would be restored to the Doyles once Blakney was in the Pit > of Hell. > Edward Murphy Saith that he heard out Peter Doyle in order to know his > Wicked intent in order that he would Swear Information before the > Magistrates in Open Court against a dangerous Lunatic and Evil man such as > Peter Doyle amongst the Subjects of our most Sovereign Lord, George the > Third, King and so Forth. > And Edward Murphy further Saith Naught ~(signed) Edward Murphy. > Sworn before me this 10th Day of August 1818 (signed) Benjamin Bunbury. > Taken and Acknowledged by Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, One of His Majesties > Justices of the Peace, before the Clerk of the Peace at the Court House at > Carlow Town and conveyed to Walter Blakney, Esquire, by immediate dispatch. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Anna!

Thanks very much Turtle for the following: Nominal Roll of Labour employed at Lisnavagh 8th September 1932 Name Occupation Barry, M. Farm. Stockman Byrne, Jack. Farm. Yardman Clarke, Joe. Farm Clarke, B. Farm Clarke, Frank. Stables Connors, M. Farm Connors, L. Farm Cran, Dick. Garden Cullen, Mick. Woods Curren, Tom. Woods Curry, Bill. Farm Dowdall, C. Stables Dowling, Joe. Farm Dowling, Atty. Farm Dowling, Jack. Farm Dowling, T. Farm Dowling, Pat. Farm Elliott, Jack. Woods Faulkner, C. Head Gardner FitzPatrick, Mrs. ------- Forans, Mick. Farm Giff, Henry A. Land Steward Giff, Henry. Farm Giff, Mrs. Farm (Dairy & Poultery) Halligan, Tom. Smith Halligan, M. Woods Hagerty, Tom. Smith’s Mate Kelly, Dan. Farm Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: Turtle Bunbury Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:03 PM To: Michael Rootsweb Brennan Subject: Lisnavagh 1932 Hi Michael, Could this be of interest to the list? All best for now, Turtle

Roger - As far as I know the Blakneys lived in Ballyellin house where my great grandfather Patrick Maher later lived. You are correct in that assumption - over looking Goresbridge ! Patrick Maher bought it from Cullens with an agreement that the old man Cullen could live on there until his death,. I must have seen that document somewhere - I think I found it in the Registry of Deeds. I think the Cullen occupier was Edmund Cullen but I will have a look through my folders here and see if I have the correct name. One of the Blakney descendents, with whom I was in touch about Ballyellin, lived in Enniscorthy , and had his property for sale there in the mid eighties. He told me that his Blakney ancestors also had land in Roscommon , actually quite near where my maternal ancestors also had property. He was not sure when the Blakneys had left Ballyellin. My great grandfather bought it around 1860. 'Hope you are all well ! Ronnie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of michael purcell Sent: 11 May 2012 20:12 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1818. Murphy, Doyle, Kavanagh, Nail, Doran, Byrne, Barron, Nowlan, Bunbury. Roger and readers, this case gets very complicated as you will find out in my next posting, consisting of four pages it will contradict every line of this Examination in August 1818 of Edward Murphy by Benjamin Bunbury at Carlow Court House.. On 11 May 2012 19:58, Roger Nowlan <[email protected]> wrote: > Just a few comments! > > Based upon other geographical information in the transcription I would > say that the Ballyellin referred to here is the one in Co. Carlow, > across the river from Goresbridge. There is also another part of > Ballyellin closer to Ballon (Killane and Raheenkillane townlands area) > but, given the mention of St. Mullins it is evident that the > Ballyellin mentioned here is the one across the river from Goresbridge. > > In the account of events described below, Peter Doyle was offered > money to fetch several Kavanaghs and a James Nowlan, all of the Barony of St. > Mullins, from St. Mullins mentioned. At this point one may be tempted > to assume that these men were from St. Mullins, however, in my > opinion, I believe that St. Mullins was merely a point of assembly. > Ballyellin (at least this part) is in the Barony of St. Mullins and I > believe that the James Nowlan mentioned was also from the Ballyellin > area (more specifically the Ballyellin-Tomdarragh area; essentially > just south of the "Crossroads"). The Kavanaghs mentioned in the > account were likely from the Borris area where they are more numerous. > > Supporting my conjecture about the above-mentioned James Nowlan is the > fact that during my trip to counties Carlow and Kilkenny last Fall I > met with a Nolan family from the Goresbridge area which traced its > ancestry in the early 1800s to the Ballyellin area. > > In my own family research, one line of investigation is that my > ancestor James Nowlan (who married Mary Shortall in Ballon in 1793) > may have moved to the Ballyellin area after the troubles of 1798. In > the mid-1700s a Rev. Michael Shortall had been parish priest in Ballon > and, at his death, in the 1790s, he was buried "with his ancestors" in > Ballyellin. I believe that my maternal ancestor Mary Shortall was > related to this line of Shortalls from the Ballyellin-Goresbridge area > and that the family decision to move to the Ballyellin area would have > been be one based upon having family ties in the area. > > Besides the two brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick in 1818 (Peter > born circa 1796 and Edward born circa 1798), two other tentative > children of the James Nowlan identified in the transcription below > would have been the Thomas Nolan (c1797-1861) and James Nolan > (c1800-1846) buried in the Goresbridge cemetery. Here is the transcription for their tombstone: > " > Here lie the remains of > JAMES NOLAN late of Goresbridge > who departed this life on the 18th > January 1846 in the 46th year of his age. > This stone is erected to his memory by his beloved wife MARY NOLAN > alias KELLY. > Also his Brother THOMAS NOLAN > who departed this life the > 4th of August, 1861, aged 64 years. > Also the above named MARY NOLAN > who dep'd this life Nov'r 21st 1877, > aged 67 years. > Also ELLEN NOLAN alias FITZGERALD > who died Jan'y 24th 1895, > aged 44 yrs. > Also ANNE & PATRICK, > Children of the above named > ELLEN NOLAN died young. > R.I.P. > " > [RN: Based upon onsite research I know this family originally hailed > from the Ballyellin area.] > > Another interesting observation is the fact that the incident reported > in the transcription happened in April 1817. > The two Nowlan brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick did so around 1818. > > Another piece of circumstantial evidence linking the Goresbridge > Nolans to my line is the fact that my emigrant ancestor Peter named > his children in order: > * Thomas (presumably after the child's great-grandfather and also > possibly an uncle) > * John (after the child's maternal grandfather) > * William James (after the child's grandfather namely "James", also > possibly an uncle > and possibly after an uncle "William") > * Pierre/Peter (after the child's father) > > Well that's about it. > > Bye for now, > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: michael purcell > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1818. Murphy, Doyle, Kavanagh, Nail, Doran, > Byrne,Barron, Nowlan, Bunbury. > > By Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, one of His Majesties Justices of the > Peace for Carlow. > THE Examination of Edward Murphy of Ballyellen, Farmer, who being this > day Duly Sworn on the Holy Evangelists Deposeth and Saith that on the > 17th April 1817 he was desired by Peter Doyle of Ballyellen, > Carpenter, to collect Threatening Notice papers to the effect that > persons should not rent or lease the farm of David Barron, Farmer, of > Ballyellen, then out of Lease and for renewal of which lands Walter > Blakney, Esquire, of Ballyellen House was Landlord, Peter Doyle > expressed his desire to have the Threatening Papers attached to the > Chapel Gates in the area and at the Cross Roads threatening Death to > any person who would take the Lease of the aforesaid lands. > That about four days after meeting Peter Doyle, he was sought out > again by Doyle who then and there gave him a Crown Sterling and > desired him to go to Saint Mullins to meet with some men to bring to > Ballyellen, the names of which were Thomas Kavanagh, Michael Kavanagh, > Miley Kavanagh, Patrick Doran, Hugh Nail, James Byrne and James Nowlan > all of the Barony of Saint Mullins, Farmers, for the intention of > attacking Ballyellen House and by fire consume the property, Peter > Doyle told Edward Murphy that each man would be paid a Crown Sterling > and whatever Chattles and Yokes they could remove from the House and > out-Buildings could be divided among themselves. > That they should approach the House at ten of the Clock after sunset > at which time Walter Blakney would be in the Palour as was his custom > to be so there and that Peter Doyle had a Pistol and a tin of > Gunpowder which he would give to Edward Murphy with encouragement that > he was to shoot the Bastard Blakney dead as he sat in the Palour and > Burn the House, following which no man would then take the Lands at > Ballyellen and the Lands of right belong from father to son of the > Doyles for over one hundred years before taken from them by David > Barron a common rascal of low order and the aforesaid Lands would be > restored to the Doyles once Blakney was in the Pit of Hell. > Edward Murphy Saith that he heard out Peter Doyle in order to know his > Wicked intent in order that he would Swear Information before the > Magistrates in Open Court against a dangerous Lunatic and Evil man > such as Peter Doyle amongst the Subjects of our most Sovereign Lord, > George the Third, King and so Forth. > And Edward Murphy further Saith Naught ~(signed) Edward Murphy. > Sworn before me this 10th Day of August 1818 (signed) Benjamin Bunbury. > Taken and Acknowledged by Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, One of His > Majesties Justices of the Peace, before the Clerk of the Peace at the > Court House at Carlow Town and conveyed to Walter Blakney, Esquire, by immediate dispatch. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you! Will do. In a message dated 5/12/2012 8:00:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: my aunt (through marriage) was peggy byrne (nee ryan) from graiguenamanagh which is next to st. mullins and her step father was eddie coady................so try graiguemanagh for you relatives..............hope this helps! ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 12 May, 2012 2:54:46 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1818. Murphy, Doyle, Kavanagh, Nail, Doran, Byrne, Barron, N... A few comments myself..............Not to contradict the very knowledgeable Roger, who has done so much research on the Nolans, however, there is a Michael Kavanaugh in my family from St. Mullins. This family might as well be ghosts for what I know of them, but I do know that Michael Kavanaugh married Anne Sherwood and had a daughter, Elizabeth, born on January 09, 1864 in Tinnahinch, St. Mullins. Obviously hard to know if it was the Michael Kavanaugh referred to here, but the dates are at least possible, if not probable. There seemed to be Kavanaughs thick on the ground in the area. In addition, Elizabeth Kavanaugh married Michael Ring in the US, but he was from Tinnahinch, St. Mullins also. They might have known one another in Ireland before they came over. His father was Michael Ring and mother Bridget Coady, all in St. Mullins. These names almost never come up on this site, but I live in hopes. One verrry kind person helped me with the Coadys, but the families are still a very tall brick wall, because of the time frame in registering marriages and births, and because of the commonness of the names. If anyone can help out here I'd LOVE to know more about this line of the family, but thought my info might also be helpful to you. Can't wait to read the next installment. Dee Ring In a message dated 5/11/2012 3:12:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Roger and readers, this case gets very complicated as you will find out in my next posting, consisting of four pages it will contradict every line of this Examination in August 1818 of Edward Murphy by Benjamin Bunbury at Carlow Court House.. On 11 May 2012 19:58, Roger Nowlan <[email protected]> wrote: > Just a few comments! > > Based upon other geographical information in the transcription I would say > that the Ballyellin referred to here is the one in Co. Carlow, across the > river from Goresbridge. There is also another part of Ballyellin closer to > Ballon (Killane and Raheenkillane townlands area) but, given the mention of > St. Mullins it is evident that the Ballyellin mentioned here is the one > across the river from Goresbridge. > > In the account of events described below, Peter Doyle was offered money to > fetch several Kavanaghs and a James Nowlan, all of the Barony of St. > Mullins, from St. Mullins mentioned. At this point one may be tempted to > assume that these men were from St. Mullins, however, in my opinion, I > believe that St. Mullins was merely a point of assembly. Ballyellin (at > least this part) is in the Barony of St. Mullins and I believe that the > James Nowlan mentioned was also from the Ballyellin area (more specifically > the Ballyellin-Tomdarragh area; essentially just south of the > "Crossroads"). The Kavanaghs mentioned in the account were likely from the > Borris area where they are more numerous. > > Supporting my conjecture about the above-mentioned James Nowlan is the > fact that during my trip to counties Carlow and Kilkenny last Fall I met > with a Nolan family from the Goresbridge area which traced its ancestry in > the early 1800s to the Ballyellin area. > > In my own family research, one line of investigation is that my ancestor > James Nowlan (who married Mary Shortall in Ballon in 1793) may have moved > to the Ballyellin area after the troubles of 1798. In the mid-1700s a > Rev. Michael Shortall had been parish priest in Ballon and, at his death, > in the 1790s, he was buried "with his ancestors" in Ballyellin. I believe > that my maternal ancestor Mary Shortall was related to this line of > Shortalls from the Ballyellin-Goresbridge area and that the family decision > to move to the Ballyellin area would have been be one based upon having > family ties in the area. > > Besides the two brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick in 1818 (Peter > born circa 1796 and Edward born circa 1798), two other tentative children > of the James Nowlan identified in the transcription below would have been > the Thomas Nolan (c1797-1861) and James Nolan (c1800-1846) buried in the > Goresbridge cemetery. Here is the transcription for their tombstone: > " > Here lie the remains of > JAMES NOLAN late of Goresbridge > who departed this life on the 18th > January 1846 in the 46th year of his age. > This stone is erected to his memory by > his beloved wife MARY NOLAN alias KELLY. > Also his Brother THOMAS NOLAN > who departed this life the > 4th of August, 1861, aged 64 years. > Also the above named MARY NOLAN > who dep'd this life Nov'r 21st 1877, > aged 67 years. > Also ELLEN NOLAN alias FITZGERALD > who died Jan'y 24th 1895, > aged 44 yrs. > Also ANNE & PATRICK, > Children of the above named > ELLEN NOLAN died young. > R.I.P. > " > [RN: Based upon onsite research I know this family originally hailed from > the Ballyellin area.] > > Another interesting observation is the fact that the incident reported in > the transcription happened in April 1817. > The two Nowlan brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick did so around 1818. > > Another piece of circumstantial evidence > linking the Goresbridge Nolans to my line > is the fact that my emigrant ancestor Peter named his children in order: > * Thomas (presumably after the child's great-grandfather and also possibly > an uncle) > * John (after the child's maternal grandfather) > * William James (after the child's grandfather namely "James", also > possibly an uncle > and possibly after an uncle "William") > * Pierre/Peter (after the child's father) > > Well that’s about it. > > Bye for now, > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: michael purcell > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1818. Murphy, Doyle, Kavanagh, Nail, Doran, > Byrne,Barron, Nowlan, Bunbury. > > By Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, one of His Majesties Justices of the Peace > for Carlow. > THE Examination of Edward Murphy of Ballyellen, Farmer, who being this day > Duly Sworn on the Holy Evangelists Deposeth and Saith that on the 17th > April 1817 he was desired by Peter Doyle of Ballyellen, Carpenter, to > collect Threatening Notice papers to the effect that persons should not > rent or lease the farm of David Barron, Farmer, of Ballyellen, then out of > Lease and for renewal of which lands Walter Blakney, Esquire, of Ballyellen > House was Landlord, Peter Doyle expressed his desire to have the > Threatening Papers attached to the Chapel Gates in the area and at the > Cross Roads threatening Death to any person who would take the Lease of the > aforesaid lands. > That about four days after meeting Peter Doyle, he was sought out again by > Doyle who then and there gave him a Crown Sterling and desired him to go to > Saint Mullins to meet with some men to bring to Ballyellen, the names of > which were Thomas Kavanagh, Michael Kavanagh, Miley Kavanagh, Patrick > Doran, Hugh Nail, James Byrne and James Nowlan all of the Barony of Saint > Mullins, Farmers, for the intention of attacking Ballyellen House and by > fire consume the property, Peter Doyle told Edward Murphy that each > man would be paid a Crown Sterling and whatever Chattles and Yokes they > could remove from the House and out-Buildings could be divided among > themselves. > That they should approach the House at ten of the Clock after sunset at > which time Walter Blakney would be in the Palour as was his custom to be so > there and that Peter Doyle had a Pistol and a tin of Gunpowder which he > would give to Edward Murphy with encouragement that he was to shoot the > Bastard Blakney dead as he sat in the Palour and Burn the House, following > which no man would then take the Lands at Ballyellen and the Lands of right > belong from father to son of the Doyles for over one hundred years before > taken from them by David Barron a common rascal of low order and the > aforesaid Lands would be restored to the Doyles once Blakney was in the Pit > of Hell. > Edward Murphy Saith that he heard out Peter Doyle in order to know his > Wicked intent in order that he would Swear Information before the > Magistrates in Open Court against a dangerous Lunatic and Evil man such as > Peter Doyle amongst the Subjects of our most Sovereign Lord, George the > Third, King and so Forth. > And Edward Murphy further Saith Naught ~(signed) Edward Murphy. > Sworn before me this 10th Day of August 1818 (signed) Benjamin Bunbury. > Taken and Acknowledged by Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, One of His Majesties > Justices of the Peace, before the Clerk of the Peace at the Court House at > Carlow Town and conveyed to Walter Blakney, Esquire, by immediate dispatch. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Anna! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you! Will do. In a message dated 5/12/2012 8:00:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: my aunt (through marriage) was peggy byrne (nee ryan) from graiguenamanagh which is next to st. mullins and her step father was eddie coady................so try graiguemanagh for you relatives..............hope this helps! ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 12 May, 2012 2:54:46 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1818. Murphy, Doyle, Kavanagh, Nail, Doran, Byrne, Barron, N... A few comments myself..............Not to contradict the very knowledgeable Roger, who has done so much research on the Nolans, however, there is a Michael Kavanaugh in my family from St. Mullins. This family might as well be ghosts for what I know of them, but I do know that Michael Kavanaugh married Anne Sherwood and had a daughter, Elizabeth, born on January 09, 1864 in Tinnahinch, St. Mullins. Obviously hard to know if it was the Michael Kavanaugh referred to here, but the dates are at least possible, if not probable. There seemed to be Kavanaughs thick on the ground in the area. In addition, Elizabeth Kavanaugh married Michael Ring in the US, but he was from Tinnahinch, St. Mullins also. They might have known one another in Ireland before they came over. His father was Michael Ring and mother Bridget Coady, all in St. Mullins. These names almost never come up on this site, but I live in hopes. One verrry kind person helped me with the Coadys, but the families are still a very tall brick wall, because of the time frame in registering marriages and births, and because of the commonness of the names. If anyone can help out here I'd LOVE to know more about this line of the family, but thought my info might also be helpful to you. Can't wait to read the next installment. Dee Ring In a message dated 5/11/2012 3:12:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Roger and readers, this case gets very complicated as you will find out in my next posting, consisting of four pages it will contradict every line of this Examination in August 1818 of Edward Murphy by Benjamin Bunbury at Carlow Court House.. On 11 May 2012 19:58, Roger Nowlan <[email protected]> wrote: > Just a few comments! > > Based upon other geographical information in the transcription I would say > that the Ballyellin referred to here is the one in Co. Carlow, across the > river from Goresbridge. There is also another part of Ballyellin closer to > Ballon (Killane and Raheenkillane townlands area) but, given the mention of > St. Mullins it is evident that the Ballyellin mentioned here is the one > across the river from Goresbridge. > > In the account of events described below, Peter Doyle was offered money to > fetch several Kavanaghs and a James Nowlan, all of the Barony of St. > Mullins, from St. Mullins mentioned. At this point one may be tempted to > assume that these men were from St. Mullins, however, in my opinion, I > believe that St. Mullins was merely a point of assembly. Ballyellin (at > least this part) is in the Barony of St. Mullins and I believe that the > James Nowlan mentioned was also from the Ballyellin area (more specifically > the Ballyellin-Tomdarragh area; essentially just south of the > "Crossroads"). The Kavanaghs mentioned in the account were likely from the > Borris area where they are more numerous. > > Supporting my conjecture about the above-mentioned James Nowlan is the > fact that during my trip to counties Carlow and Kilkenny last Fall I met > with a Nolan family from the Goresbridge area which traced its ancestry in > the early 1800s to the Ballyellin area. > > In my own family research, one line of investigation is that my ancestor > James Nowlan (who married Mary Shortall in Ballon in 1793) may have moved > to the Ballyellin area after the troubles of 1798. In the mid-1700s a > Rev. Michael Shortall had been parish priest in Ballon and, at his death, > in the 1790s, he was buried "with his ancestors" in Ballyellin. I believe > that my maternal ancestor Mary Shortall was related to this line of > Shortalls from the Ballyellin-Goresbridge area and that the family decision > to move to the Ballyellin area would have been be one based upon having > family ties in the area. > > Besides the two brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick in 1818 (Peter > born circa 1796 and Edward born circa 1798), two other tentative children > of the James Nowlan identified in the transcription below would have been > the Thomas Nolan (c1797-1861) and James Nolan (c1800-1846) buried in the > Goresbridge cemetery. Here is the transcription for their tombstone: > " > Here lie the remains of > JAMES NOLAN late of Goresbridge > who departed this life on the 18th > January 1846 in the 46th year of his age. > This stone is erected to his memory by > his beloved wife MARY NOLAN alias KELLY. > Also his Brother THOMAS NOLAN > who departed this life the > 4th of August, 1861, aged 64 years. > Also the above named MARY NOLAN > who dep'd this life Nov'r 21st 1877, > aged 67 years. > Also ELLEN NOLAN alias FITZGERALD > who died Jan'y 24th 1895, > aged 44 yrs. > Also ANNE & PATRICK, > Children of the above named > ELLEN NOLAN died young. > R.I.P. > " > [RN: Based upon onsite research I know this family originally hailed from > the Ballyellin area.] > > Another interesting observation is the fact that the incident reported in > the transcription happened in April 1817. > The two Nowlan brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick did so around 1818. > > Another piece of circumstantial evidence > linking the Goresbridge Nolans to my line > is the fact that my emigrant ancestor Peter named his children in order: > * Thomas (presumably after the child's great-grandfather and also possibly > an uncle) > * John (after the child's maternal grandfather) > * William James (after the child's grandfather namely "James", also > possibly an uncle > and possibly after an uncle "William") > * Pierre/Peter (after the child's father) > > Well that’s about it. > > Bye for now, > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: michael purcell > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1818. Murphy, Doyle, Kavanagh, Nail, Doran, > Byrne,Barron, Nowlan, Bunbury. > > By Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, one of His Majesties Justices of the Peace > for Carlow. > THE Examination of Edward Murphy of Ballyellen, Farmer, who being this day > Duly Sworn on the Holy Evangelists Deposeth and Saith that on the 17th > April 1817 he was desired by Peter Doyle of Ballyellen, Carpenter, to > collect Threatening Notice papers to the effect that persons should not > rent or lease the farm of David Barron, Farmer, of Ballyellen, then out of > Lease and for renewal of which lands Walter Blakney, Esquire, of Ballyellen > House was Landlord, Peter Doyle expressed his desire to have the > Threatening Papers attached to the Chapel Gates in the area and at the > Cross Roads threatening Death to any person who would take the Lease of the > aforesaid lands. > That about four days after meeting Peter Doyle, he was sought out again by > Doyle who then and there gave him a Crown Sterling and desired him to go to > Saint Mullins to meet with some men to bring to Ballyellen, the names of > which were Thomas Kavanagh, Michael Kavanagh, Miley Kavanagh, Patrick > Doran, Hugh Nail, James Byrne and James Nowlan all of the Barony of Saint > Mullins, Farmers, for the intention of attacking Ballyellen House and by > fire consume the property, Peter Doyle told Edward Murphy that each > man would be paid a Crown Sterling and whatever Chattles and Yokes they > could remove from the House and out-Buildings could be divided among > themselves. > That they should approach the House at ten of the Clock after sunset at > which time Walter Blakney would be in the Palour as was his custom to be so > there and that Peter Doyle had a Pistol and a tin of Gunpowder which he > would give to Edward Murphy with encouragement that he was to shoot the > Bastard Blakney dead as he sat in the Palour and Burn the House, following > which no man would then take the Lands at Ballyellen and the Lands of right > belong from father to son of the Doyles for over one hundred years before > taken from them by David Barron a common rascal of low order and the > aforesaid Lands would be restored to the Doyles once Blakney was in the Pit > of Hell. > Edward Murphy Saith that he heard out Peter Doyle in order to know his > Wicked intent in order that he would Swear Information before the > Magistrates in Open Court against a dangerous Lunatic and Evil man such as > Peter Doyle amongst the Subjects of our most Sovereign Lord, George the > Third, King and so Forth. > And Edward Murphy further Saith Naught ~(signed) Edward Murphy. > Sworn before me this 10th Day of August 1818 (signed) Benjamin Bunbury. > Taken and Acknowledged by Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, One of His Majesties > Justices of the Peace, before the Clerk of the Peace at the Court House at > Carlow Town and conveyed to Walter Blakney, Esquire, by immediate dispatch. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Anna! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks very much Maribeth for the images and the transcriptions. You will find them all at the following links: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Rathvilly_St_Patricks.htm http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/St_Patricks_Kiltealy.htm http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/St_James_Castledermot.htm Thanks again! Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm From: Maribeth Nolan Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 2:34 PM To: Roger Nowlan ; Michael Brennan Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow Strays Headstone Inscriptions This is an inscription from inside St. Patrick's church in Rathvilly...I have included a closeup shot of the beginning for easeier reading. Maribeth ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Brennan To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:17 AM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Carlow Strays Headstone Inscriptions Some Carlow Strays found in St. Patrick's RC Church in Kiltealy, Co Wexford and Transcribed by Maribeth Nolan & Roger Nowlan http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/St_Patricks_Kiltealy.htm and at St James CoI in Castledermot: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/St_James_Castledermot.htm Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some Carlow Strays found in St. Patrick's RC Church in Kiltealy, Co Wexford and Transcribed by Maribeth Nolan & Roger Nowlan http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/St_Patricks_Kiltealy.htm and at St James CoI in Castledermot: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/St_James_Castledermot.htm Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm

I found this recently in the Carloviana 2011 No. 60. Pages 69-71; Hacketstown Brass Band 1875 - c.1895 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Hacketstown_Brass_Band.htm Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.an; cestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm

Dee, Thank you for your feedback which is always welcome. As regards your own family quest, I did a quick search on my computer files and came across an interesting fact which you may want to follow up. It relates to "British Regiments in Canada" and on the webpage I found the following entry. " 66th Rgmnt. of Foot: Ring-Swift 1760-1854 FHL Film 898292 " ... in other words there was at least one "Ring" family member served in the British military sometime between 1760 and 1854. You may want to follow-up this lead as it may be the key to explaining the “Ring” family connection to Northern Ireland. To give an example I know that, in the early 1800s, at the outset of the Napoleonic wars, a Thomas Peter Nowland from Co. Carlow who was studying for the priesthood in Northern Ireland was abducted while working in the fields during summer holidays and impressed into the British Navy. From what I have determined so far it would appear that he served in Atlantic Canada and sometime along the way married someone from Co. Antrim and, after his release from the Navy, in 1815 returned to Ireland and settled in Co. Antrim (where his wife was born). A son named Peter later emigrated to the US in the 1830s and settled in Northern, New York, where, I believe an uncle by the name of James Nowland had settled earlier around 1815. Bye for now and thanks again for your feedback. We can all learn from it. Who knows what tidbit of information may be the key to a door through someones brick wall. Bye for now and best regards, Roger http://nolanfamilies.org -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1818. Murphy, Doyle, Kavanagh, Nail, Doran, Byrne,Barron, N... A few comments myself..............Not to contradict the very knowledgeable Roger, who has done so much research on the Nolans, however, there is a Michael Kavanaugh in my family from St. Mullins. This family might as well be ghosts for what I know of them, but I do know that Michael Kavanaugh married Anne Sherwood and had a daughter, Elizabeth, born on January 09, 1864 in Tinnahinch, St. Mullins. Obviously hard to know if it was the Michael Kavanaugh referred to here, but the dates are at least possible, if not probable. There seemed to be Kavanaughs thick on the ground in the area. In addition, Elizabeth Kavanaugh married Michael Ring in the US, but he was from Tinnahinch, St. Mullins also. They might have known one another in Ireland before they came over. His father was Michael Ring and mother Bridget Coady, all in St. Mullins. These names almost never come up on this site, but I live in hopes. One verrry kind person helped me with the Coadys, but the families are still a very tall brick wall, because of the time frame in registering marriages and births, and because of the commonness of the names. If anyone can help out here I'd LOVE to know more about this line of the family, but thought my info might also be helpful to you. Can't wait to read the next installment. Dee Ring In a message dated 5/11/2012 3:12:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Roger and readers, this case gets very complicated as you will find out in my next posting, consisting of four pages it will contradict every line of this Examination in August 1818 of Edward Murphy by Benjamin Bunbury at Carlow Court House.. On 11 May 2012 19:58, Roger Nowlan <[email protected]> wrote: > Just a few comments! > > Based upon other geographical information in the transcription I would say > that the Ballyellin referred to here is the one in Co. Carlow, across the > river from Goresbridge. There is also another part of Ballyellin closer to > Ballon (Killane and Raheenkillane townlands area) but, given the mention of > St. Mullins it is evident that the Ballyellin mentioned here is the one > across the river from Goresbridge. > > In the account of events described below, Peter Doyle was offered money to > fetch several Kavanaghs and a James Nowlan, all of the Barony of St. > Mullins, from St. Mullins mentioned. At this point one may be tempted to > assume that these men were from St. Mullins, however, in my opinion, I > believe that St. Mullins was merely a point of assembly. Ballyellin (at > least this part) is in the Barony of St. Mullins and I believe that the > James Nowlan mentioned was also from the Ballyellin area (more specifically > the Ballyellin-Tomdarragh area; essentially just south of the > "Crossroads"). The Kavanaghs mentioned in the account were likely from the > Borris area where they are more numerous. > > Supporting my conjecture about the above-mentioned James Nowlan is the > fact that during my trip to counties Carlow and Kilkenny last Fall I met > with a Nolan family from the Goresbridge area which traced its ancestry in > the early 1800s to the Ballyellin area. > > In my own family research, one line of investigation is that my ancestor > James Nowlan (who married Mary Shortall in Ballon in 1793) may have moved > to the Ballyellin area after the troubles of 1798. In the mid-1700s a > Rev. Michael Shortall had been parish priest in Ballon and, at his death, > in the 1790s, he was buried "with his ancestors" in Ballyellin. I believe > that my maternal ancestor Mary Shortall was related to this line of > Shortalls from the Ballyellin-Goresbridge area and that the family decision > to move to the Ballyellin area would have been be one based upon having > family ties in the area. > > Besides the two brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick in 1818 (Peter > born circa 1796 and Edward born circa 1798), two other tentative children > of the James Nowlan identified in the transcription below would have been > the Thomas Nolan (c1797-1861) and James Nolan (c1800-1846) buried in the > Goresbridge cemetery. Here is the transcription for their tombstone: > " > Here lie the remains of > JAMES NOLAN late of Goresbridge > who departed this life on the 18th > January 1846 in the 46th year of his age. > This stone is erected to his memory by > his beloved wife MARY NOLAN alias KELLY. > Also his Brother THOMAS NOLAN > who departed this life the > 4th of August, 1861, aged 64 years. > Also the above named MARY NOLAN > who dep'd this life Nov'r 21st 1877, > aged 67 years. > Also ELLEN NOLAN alias FITZGERALD > who died Jan'y 24th 1895, > aged 44 yrs. > Also ANNE & PATRICK, > Children of the above named > ELLEN NOLAN died young. > R.I.P. > " > [RN: Based upon onsite research I know this family originally hailed from > the Ballyellin area.] > > Another interesting observation is the fact that the incident reported in > the transcription happened in April 1817. > The two Nowlan brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick did so around 1818. > > Another piece of circumstantial evidence > linking the Goresbridge Nolans to my line > is the fact that my emigrant ancestor Peter named his children in order: > * Thomas (presumably after the child's great-grandfather and also possibly > an uncle) > * John (after the child's maternal grandfather) > * William James (after the child's grandfather namely "James", also > possibly an uncle > and possibly after an uncle "William") > * Pierre/Peter (after the child's father) > > Well that’s about it. > > Bye for now, > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: michael purcell > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1818. Murphy, Doyle, Kavanagh, Nail, Doran, > Byrne,Barron, Nowlan, Bunbury. > > By Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, one of His Majesties Justices of the Peace > for Carlow. > THE Examination of Edward Murphy of Ballyellen, Farmer, who being this day > Duly Sworn on the Holy Evangelists Deposeth and Saith that on the 17th > April 1817 he was desired by Peter Doyle of Ballyellen, Carpenter, to > collect Threatening Notice papers to the effect that persons should not > rent or lease the farm of David Barron, Farmer, of Ballyellen, then out of > Lease and for renewal of which lands Walter Blakney, Esquire, of Ballyellen > House was Landlord, Peter Doyle expressed his desire to have the > Threatening Papers attached to the Chapel Gates in the area and at the > Cross Roads threatening Death to any person who would take the Lease of the > aforesaid lands. > That about four days after meeting Peter Doyle, he was sought out again by > Doyle who then and there gave him a Crown Sterling and desired him to go to > Saint Mullins to meet with some men to bring to Ballyellen, the names of > which were Thomas Kavanagh, Michael Kavanagh, Miley Kavanagh, Patrick > Doran, Hugh Nail, James Byrne and James Nowlan all of the Barony of Saint > Mullins, Farmers, for the intention of attacking Ballyellen House and by > fire consume the property, Peter Doyle told Edward Murphy that each > man would be paid a Crown Sterling and whatever Chattles and Yokes they > could remove from the House and out-Buildings could be divided among > themselves. > That they should approach the House at ten of the Clock after sunset at > which time Walter Blakney would be in the Palour as was his custom to be so > there and that Peter Doyle had a Pistol and a tin of Gunpowder which he > would give to Edward Murphy with encouragement that he was to shoot the > Bastard Blakney dead as he sat in the Palour and Burn the House, following > which no man would then take the Lands at Ballyellen and the Lands of right > belong from father to son of the Doyles for over one hundred years before > taken from them by David Barron a common rascal of low order and the > aforesaid Lands would be restored to the Doyles once Blakney was in the Pit > of Hell. > Edward Murphy Saith that he heard out Peter Doyle in order to know his > Wicked intent in order that he would Swear Information before the > Magistrates in Open Court against a dangerous Lunatic and Evil man such as > Peter Doyle amongst the Subjects of our most Sovereign Lord, George the > Third, King and so Forth. > And Edward Murphy further Saith Naught ~(signed) Edward Murphy. > Sworn before me this 10th Day of August 1818 (signed) Benjamin Bunbury. > Taken and Acknowledged by Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, One of His Majesties > Justices of the Peace, before the Clerk of the Peace at the Court House at > Carlow Town and conveyed to Walter Blakney, Esquire, by immediate dispatch. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected].com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A few comments myself..............Not to contradict the very knowledgeable Roger, who has done so much research on the Nolans, however, there is a Michael Kavanaugh in my family from St. Mullins. This family might as well be ghosts for what I know of them, but I do know that Michael Kavanaugh married Anne Sherwood and had a daughter, Elizabeth, born on January 09, 1864 in Tinnahinch, St. Mullins. Obviously hard to know if it was the Michael Kavanaugh referred to here, but the dates are at least possible, if not probable. There seemed to be Kavanaughs thick on the ground in the area. In addition, Elizabeth Kavanaugh married Michael Ring in the US, but he was from Tinnahinch, St. Mullins also. They might have known one another in Ireland before they came over. His father was Michael Ring and mother Bridget Coady, all in St. Mullins. These names almost never come up on this site, but I live in hopes. One verrry kind person helped me with the Coadys, but the families are still a very tall brick wall, because of the time frame in registering marriages and births, and because of the commonness of the names. If anyone can help out here I'd LOVE to know more about this line of the family, but thought my info might also be helpful to you. Can't wait to read the next installment. Dee Ring In a message dated 5/11/2012 3:12:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Roger and readers, this case gets very complicated as you will find out in my next posting, consisting of four pages it will contradict every line of this Examination in August 1818 of Edward Murphy by Benjamin Bunbury at Carlow Court House.. On 11 May 2012 19:58, Roger Nowlan <[email protected]> wrote: > Just a few comments! > > Based upon other geographical information in the transcription I would say > that the Ballyellin referred to here is the one in Co. Carlow, across the > river from Goresbridge. There is also another part of Ballyellin closer to > Ballon (Killane and Raheenkillane townlands area) but, given the mention of > St. Mullins it is evident that the Ballyellin mentioned here is the one > across the river from Goresbridge. > > In the account of events described below, Peter Doyle was offered money to > fetch several Kavanaghs and a James Nowlan, all of the Barony of St. > Mullins, from St. Mullins mentioned. At this point one may be tempted to > assume that these men were from St. Mullins, however, in my opinion, I > believe that St. Mullins was merely a point of assembly. Ballyellin (at > least this part) is in the Barony of St. Mullins and I believe that the > James Nowlan mentioned was also from the Ballyellin area (more specifically > the Ballyellin-Tomdarragh area; essentially just south of the > "Crossroads"). The Kavanaghs mentioned in the account were likely from the > Borris area where they are more numerous. > > Supporting my conjecture about the above-mentioned James Nowlan is the > fact that during my trip to counties Carlow and Kilkenny last Fall I met > with a Nolan family from the Goresbridge area which traced its ancestry in > the early 1800s to the Ballyellin area. > > In my own family research, one line of investigation is that my ancestor > James Nowlan (who married Mary Shortall in Ballon in 1793) may have moved > to the Ballyellin area after the troubles of 1798. In the mid-1700s a > Rev. Michael Shortall had been parish priest in Ballon and, at his death, > in the 1790s, he was buried "with his ancestors" in Ballyellin. I believe > that my maternal ancestor Mary Shortall was related to this line of > Shortalls from the Ballyellin-Goresbridge area and that the family decision > to move to the Ballyellin area would have been be one based upon having > family ties in the area. > > Besides the two brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick in 1818 (Peter > born circa 1796 and Edward born circa 1798), two other tentative children > of the James Nowlan identified in the transcription below would have been > the Thomas Nolan (c1797-1861) and James Nolan (c1800-1846) buried in the > Goresbridge cemetery. Here is the transcription for their tombstone: > " > Here lie the remains of > JAMES NOLAN late of Goresbridge > who departed this life on the 18th > January 1846 in the 46th year of his age. > This stone is erected to his memory by > his beloved wife MARY NOLAN alias KELLY. > Also his Brother THOMAS NOLAN > who departed this life the > 4th of August, 1861, aged 64 years. > Also the above named MARY NOLAN > who dep'd this life Nov'r 21st 1877, > aged 67 years. > Also ELLEN NOLAN alias FITZGERALD > who died Jan'y 24th 1895, > aged 44 yrs. > Also ANNE & PATRICK, > Children of the above named > ELLEN NOLAN died young. > R.I.P. > " > [RN: Based upon onsite research I know this family originally hailed from > the Ballyellin area.] > > Another interesting observation is the fact that the incident reported in > the transcription happened in April 1817. > The two Nowlan brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick did so around 1818. > > Another piece of circumstantial evidence > linking the Goresbridge Nolans to my line > is the fact that my emigrant ancestor Peter named his children in order: > * Thomas (presumably after the child's great-grandfather and also possibly > an uncle) > * John (after the child's maternal grandfather) > * William James (after the child's grandfather namely "James", also > possibly an uncle > and possibly after an uncle "William") > * Pierre/Peter (after the child's father) > > Well that’s about it. > > Bye for now, > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: michael purcell > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1818. Murphy, Doyle, Kavanagh, Nail, Doran, > Byrne,Barron, Nowlan, Bunbury. > > By Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, one of His Majesties Justices of the Peace > for Carlow. > THE Examination of Edward Murphy of Ballyellen, Farmer, who being this day > Duly Sworn on the Holy Evangelists Deposeth and Saith that on the 17th > April 1817 he was desired by Peter Doyle of Ballyellen, Carpenter, to > collect Threatening Notice papers to the effect that persons should not > rent or lease the farm of David Barron, Farmer, of Ballyellen, then out of > Lease and for renewal of which lands Walter Blakney, Esquire, of Ballyellen > House was Landlord, Peter Doyle expressed his desire to have the > Threatening Papers attached to the Chapel Gates in the area and at the > Cross Roads threatening Death to any person who would take the Lease of the > aforesaid lands. > That about four days after meeting Peter Doyle, he was sought out again by > Doyle who then and there gave him a Crown Sterling and desired him to go to > Saint Mullins to meet with some men to bring to Ballyellen, the names of > which were Thomas Kavanagh, Michael Kavanagh, Miley Kavanagh, Patrick > Doran, Hugh Nail, James Byrne and James Nowlan all of the Barony of Saint > Mullins, Farmers, for the intention of attacking Ballyellen House and by > fire consume the property, Peter Doyle told Edward Murphy that each > man would be paid a Crown Sterling and whatever Chattles and Yokes they > could remove from the House and out-Buildings could be divided among > themselves. > That they should approach the House at ten of the Clock after sunset at > which time Walter Blakney would be in the Palour as was his custom to be so > there and that Peter Doyle had a Pistol and a tin of Gunpowder which he > would give to Edward Murphy with encouragement that he was to shoot the > Bastard Blakney dead as he sat in the Palour and Burn the House, following > which no man would then take the Lands at Ballyellen and the Lands of right > belong from father to son of the Doyles for over one hundred years before > taken from them by David Barron a common rascal of low order and the > aforesaid Lands would be restored to the Doyles once Blakney was in the Pit > of Hell. > Edward Murphy Saith that he heard out Peter Doyle in order to know his > Wicked intent in order that he would Swear Information before the > Magistrates in Open Court against a dangerous Lunatic and Evil man such as > Peter Doyle amongst the Subjects of our most Sovereign Lord, George the > Third, King and so Forth. > And Edward Murphy further Saith Naught ~(signed) Edward Murphy. > Sworn before me this 10th Day of August 1818 (signed) Benjamin Bunbury. > Taken and Acknowledged by Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, One of His Majesties > Justices of the Peace, before the Clerk of the Peace at the Court House at > Carlow Town and conveyed to Walter Blakney, Esquire, by immediate dispatch. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roger and readers, this case gets very complicated as you will find out in my next posting, consisting of four pages it will contradict every line of this Examination in August 1818 of Edward Murphy by Benjamin Bunbury at Carlow Court House.. On 11 May 2012 19:58, Roger Nowlan <[email protected]> wrote: > Just a few comments! > > Based upon other geographical information in the transcription I would say > that the Ballyellin referred to here is the one in Co. Carlow, across the > river from Goresbridge. There is also another part of Ballyellin closer to > Ballon (Killane and Raheenkillane townlands area) but, given the mention of > St. Mullins it is evident that the Ballyellin mentioned here is the one > across the river from Goresbridge. > > In the account of events described below, Peter Doyle was offered money to > fetch several Kavanaghs and a James Nowlan, all of the Barony of St. > Mullins, from St. Mullins mentioned. At this point one may be tempted to > assume that these men were from St. Mullins, however, in my opinion, I > believe that St. Mullins was merely a point of assembly. Ballyellin (at > least this part) is in the Barony of St. Mullins and I believe that the > James Nowlan mentioned was also from the Ballyellin area (more specifically > the Ballyellin-Tomdarragh area; essentially just south of the > "Crossroads"). The Kavanaghs mentioned in the account were likely from the > Borris area where they are more numerous. > > Supporting my conjecture about the above-mentioned James Nowlan is the > fact that during my trip to counties Carlow and Kilkenny last Fall I met > with a Nolan family from the Goresbridge area which traced its ancestry in > the early 1800s to the Ballyellin area. > > In my own family research, one line of investigation is that my ancestor > James Nowlan (who married Mary Shortall in Ballon in 1793) may have moved > to the Ballyellin area after the troubles of 1798. In the mid-1700s a > Rev. Michael Shortall had been parish priest in Ballon and, at his death, > in the 1790s, he was buried "with his ancestors" in Ballyellin. I believe > that my maternal ancestor Mary Shortall was related to this line of > Shortalls from the Ballyellin-Goresbridge area and that the family decision > to move to the Ballyellin area would have been be one based upon having > family ties in the area. > > Besides the two brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick in 1818 (Peter > born circa 1796 and Edward born circa 1798), two other tentative children > of the James Nowlan identified in the transcription below would have been > the Thomas Nolan (c1797-1861) and James Nolan (c1800-1846) buried in the > Goresbridge cemetery. Here is the transcription for their tombstone: > " > Here lie the remains of > JAMES NOLAN late of Goresbridge > who departed this life on the 18th > January 1846 in the 46th year of his age. > This stone is erected to his memory by > his beloved wife MARY NOLAN alias KELLY. > Also his Brother THOMAS NOLAN > who departed this life the > 4th of August, 1861, aged 64 years. > Also the above named MARY NOLAN > who dep'd this life Nov'r 21st 1877, > aged 67 years. > Also ELLEN NOLAN alias FITZGERALD > who died Jan'y 24th 1895, > aged 44 yrs. > Also ANNE & PATRICK, > Children of the above named > ELLEN NOLAN died young. > R.I.P. > " > [RN: Based upon onsite research I know this family originally hailed from > the Ballyellin area.] > > Another interesting observation is the fact that the incident reported in > the transcription happened in April 1817. > The two Nowlan brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick did so around 1818. > > Another piece of circumstantial evidence > linking the Goresbridge Nolans to my line > is the fact that my emigrant ancestor Peter named his children in order: > * Thomas (presumably after the child's great-grandfather and also possibly > an uncle) > * John (after the child's maternal grandfather) > * William James (after the child's grandfather namely "James", also > possibly an uncle > and possibly after an uncle "William") > * Pierre/Peter (after the child's father) > > Well that’s about it. > > Bye for now, > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: michael purcell > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1818. Murphy, Doyle, Kavanagh, Nail, Doran, > Byrne,Barron, Nowlan, Bunbury. > > By Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, one of His Majesties Justices of the Peace > for Carlow. > THE Examination of Edward Murphy of Ballyellen, Farmer, who being this day > Duly Sworn on the Holy Evangelists Deposeth and Saith that on the 17th > April 1817 he was desired by Peter Doyle of Ballyellen, Carpenter, to > collect Threatening Notice papers to the effect that persons should not > rent or lease the farm of David Barron, Farmer, of Ballyellen, then out of > Lease and for renewal of which lands Walter Blakney, Esquire, of Ballyellen > House was Landlord, Peter Doyle expressed his desire to have the > Threatening Papers attached to the Chapel Gates in the area and at the > Cross Roads threatening Death to any person who would take the Lease of the > aforesaid lands. > That about four days after meeting Peter Doyle, he was sought out again by > Doyle who then and there gave him a Crown Sterling and desired him to go to > Saint Mullins to meet with some men to bring to Ballyellen, the names of > which were Thomas Kavanagh, Michael Kavanagh, Miley Kavanagh, Patrick > Doran, Hugh Nail, James Byrne and James Nowlan all of the Barony of Saint > Mullins, Farmers, for the intention of attacking Ballyellen House and by > fire consume the property, Peter Doyle told Edward Murphy that each > man would be paid a Crown Sterling and whatever Chattles and Yokes they > could remove from the House and out-Buildings could be divided among > themselves. > That they should approach the House at ten of the Clock after sunset at > which time Walter Blakney would be in the Palour as was his custom to be so > there and that Peter Doyle had a Pistol and a tin of Gunpowder which he > would give to Edward Murphy with encouragement that he was to shoot the > Bastard Blakney dead as he sat in the Palour and Burn the House, following > which no man would then take the Lands at Ballyellen and the Lands of right > belong from father to son of the Doyles for over one hundred years before > taken from them by David Barron a common rascal of low order and the > aforesaid Lands would be restored to the Doyles once Blakney was in the Pit > of Hell. > Edward Murphy Saith that he heard out Peter Doyle in order to know his > Wicked intent in order that he would Swear Information before the > Magistrates in Open Court against a dangerous Lunatic and Evil man such as > Peter Doyle amongst the Subjects of our most Sovereign Lord, George the > Third, King and so Forth. > And Edward Murphy further Saith Naught ~(signed) Edward Murphy. > Sworn before me this 10th Day of August 1818 (signed) Benjamin Bunbury. > Taken and Acknowledged by Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, One of His Majesties > Justices of the Peace, before the Clerk of the Peace at the Court House at > Carlow Town and conveyed to Walter Blakney, Esquire, by immediate dispatch. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From Pat Purcell Papers. 1817 / 1818. On 11 May 2012 17:38, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > By Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, one of His Majesties Justices of the Peace > for Carlow. > THE Examination of Edward Murphy of Ballyellen, Farmer, who being this day > Duly Sworn on the Holy Evangelists Deposeth and Saith that on the 17th > April 1817 he was desired by Peter Doyle of Ballyellen, Carpenter, to > collect Threatening Notice papers to the effect that persons should not > rent or lease the farm of David Barron, Farmer, of Ballyellen, then out of > Lease and for renewal of which lands Walter Blakney, Esquire, of Ballyellen > House was Landlord, Peter Doyle expressed his desire to have the > Threatening Papers attached to the Chapel Gates in the area and at the > Cross Roads threatening Death to any person who would take the Lease of the > aforesaid lands. > That about four days after meeting Peter Doyle, he was sought out again by > Doyle who then and there gave him a Crown Sterling and desired him to go to > Saint Mullins to meet with some men to bring to Ballyellen, the names of > which were Thomas Kavanagh, Michael Kavanagh, Miley Kavanagh, Patrick > Doran, Hugh Nail, James Byrne and James Nowlan all of the Barony of Saint > Mullins, Farmers, for the intention of attacking Ballyellen House and by > fire consume the property, Peter Doyle told Edward Murphy that each > man would be paid a Crown Sterling and whatever Chattles and Yokes they > could remove from the House and out-Buildings could be divided among > themselves. > That they should approach the House at ten of the Clock after sunset at > which time Walter Blakney would be in the Palour as was his custom to be so > there and that Peter Doyle had a Pistol and a tin of Gunpowder which he > would give to Edward Murphy with encouragement that he was to shoot the > Bastard Blakney dead as he sat in the Palour and Burn the House, following > which no man would then take the Lands at Ballyellen and the Lands of right > belong from father to son of the Doyles for over one hundred years before > taken from them by David Barron a common rascal of low order and the > aforesaid Lands would be restored to the Doyles once Blakney was in the Pit > of Hell. > Edward Murphy Saith that he heard out Peter Doyle in order to know his > Wicked intent in order that he would Swear Information before the > Magistrates in Open Court against a dangerous Lunatic and Evil man such as > Peter Doyle amongst the Subjects of our most Sovereign Lord, George the > Third, King and so Forth. > And Edward Murphy further Saith Naught ~(signed) Edward Murphy. > Sworn before me this 10th Day of August 1818 (signed) Benjamin Bunbury. > Taken and Acknowledged by Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, One of His Majesties > Justices of the Peace, before the Clerk of the Peace at the Court House at > Carlow Town and conveyed to Walter Blakney, Esquire, by immediate dispatch. >

By Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, one of His Majesties Justices of the Peace for Carlow. THE Examination of Edward Murphy of Ballyellen, Farmer, who being this day Duly Sworn on the Holy Evangelists Deposeth and Saith that on the 17th April 1817 he was desired by Peter Doyle of Ballyellen, Carpenter, to collect Threatening Notice papers to the effect that persons should not rent or lease the farm of David Barron, Farmer, of Ballyellen, then out of Lease and for renewal of which lands Walter Blakney, Esquire, of Ballyellen House was Landlord, Peter Doyle expressed his desire to have the Threatening Papers attached to the Chapel Gates in the area and at the Cross Roads threatening Death to any person who would take the Lease of the aforesaid lands. That about four days after meeting Peter Doyle, he was sought out again by Doyle who then and there gave him a Crown Sterling and desired him to go to Saint Mullins to meet with some men to bring to Ballyellen, the names of which were Thomas Kavanagh, Michael Kavanagh, Miley Kavanagh, Patrick Doran, Hugh Nail, James Byrne and James Nowlan all of the Barony of Saint Mullins, Farmers, for the intention of attacking Ballyellen House and by fire consume the property, Peter Doyle told Edward Murphy that each man would be paid a Crown Sterling and whatever Chattles and Yokes they could remove from the House and out-Buildings could be divided among themselves. That they should approach the House at ten of the Clock after sunset at which time Walter Blakney would be in the Palour as was his custom to be so there and that Peter Doyle had a Pistol and a tin of Gunpowder which he would give to Edward Murphy with encouragement that he was to shoot the Bastard Blakney dead as he sat in the Palour and Burn the House, following which no man would then take the Lands at Ballyellen and the Lands of right belong from father to son of the Doyles for over one hundred years before taken from them by David Barron a common rascal of low order and the aforesaid Lands would be restored to the Doyles once Blakney was in the Pit of Hell. Edward Murphy Saith that he heard out Peter Doyle in order to know his Wicked intent in order that he would Swear Information before the Magistrates in Open Court against a dangerous Lunatic and Evil man such as Peter Doyle amongst the Subjects of our most Sovereign Lord, George the Third, King and so Forth. And Edward Murphy further Saith Naught ~(signed) Edward Murphy. Sworn before me this 10th Day of August 1818 (signed) Benjamin Bunbury. Taken and Acknowledged by Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, One of His Majesties Justices of the Peace, before the Clerk of the Peace at the Court House at Carlow Town and conveyed to Walter Blakney, Esquire, by immediate dispatch.

Just a few comments! Based upon other geographical information in the transcription I would say that the Ballyellin referred to here is the one in Co. Carlow, across the river from Goresbridge. There is also another part of Ballyellin closer to Ballon (Killane and Raheenkillane townlands area) but, given the mention of St. Mullins it is evident that the Ballyellin mentioned here is the one across the river from Goresbridge. In the account of events described below, Peter Doyle was offered money to fetch several Kavanaghs and a James Nowlan, all of the Barony of St. Mullins, from St. Mullins mentioned. At this point one may be tempted to assume that these men were from St. Mullins, however, in my opinion, I believe that St. Mullins was merely a point of assembly. Ballyellin (at least this part) is in the Barony of St. Mullins and I believe that the James Nowlan mentioned was also from the Ballyellin area (more specifically the Ballyellin-Tomdarragh area; essentially just south of the "Crossroads"). The Kavanaghs mentioned in the account were likely from the Borris area where they are more numerous. Supporting my conjecture about the above-mentioned James Nowlan is the fact that during my trip to counties Carlow and Kilkenny last Fall I met with a Nolan family from the Goresbridge area which traced its ancestry in the early 1800s to the Ballyellin area. In my own family research, one line of investigation is that my ancestor James Nowlan (who married Mary Shortall in Ballon in 1793) may have moved to the Ballyellin area after the troubles of 1798. In the mid-1700s a Rev. Michael Shortall had been parish priest in Ballon and, at his death, in the 1790s, he was buried "with his ancestors" in Ballyellin. I believe that my maternal ancestor Mary Shortall was related to this line of Shortalls from the Ballyellin-Goresbridge area and that the family decision to move to the Ballyellin area would have been be one based upon having family ties in the area. Besides the two brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick in 1818 (Peter born circa 1796 and Edward born circa 1798), two other tentative children of the James Nowlan identified in the transcription below would have been the Thomas Nolan (c1797-1861) and James Nolan (c1800-1846) buried in the Goresbridge cemetery. Here is the transcription for their tombstone: " Here lie the remains of JAMES NOLAN late of Goresbridge who departed this life on the 18th January 1846 in the 46th year of his age. This stone is erected to his memory by his beloved wife MARY NOLAN alias KELLY. Also his Brother THOMAS NOLAN who departed this life the 4th of August, 1861, aged 64 years. Also the above named MARY NOLAN who dep'd this life Nov'r 21st 1877, aged 67 years. Also ELLEN NOLAN alias FITZGERALD who died Jan'y 24th 1895, aged 44 yrs. Also ANNE & PATRICK, Children of the above named ELLEN NOLAN died young. R.I.P. " [RN: Based upon onsite research I know this family originally hailed from the Ballyellin area.] Another interesting observation is the fact that the incident reported in the transcription happened in April 1817. The two Nowlan brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick did so around 1818. Another piece of circumstantial evidence linking the Goresbridge Nolans to my line is the fact that my emigrant ancestor Peter named his children in order: * Thomas (presumably after the child's great-grandfather and also possibly an uncle) * John (after the child's maternal grandfather) * William James (after the child's grandfather namely "James", also possibly an uncle and possibly after an uncle "William") * Pierre/Peter (after the child's father) Well that’s about it. Bye for now, Roger -----Original Message----- From: michael purcell Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1818. Murphy, Doyle, Kavanagh, Nail, Doran, Byrne,Barron, Nowlan, Bunbury. By Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, one of His Majesties Justices of the Peace for Carlow. THE Examination of Edward Murphy of Ballyellen, Farmer, who being this day Duly Sworn on the Holy Evangelists Deposeth and Saith that on the 17th April 1817 he was desired by Peter Doyle of Ballyellen, Carpenter, to collect Threatening Notice papers to the effect that persons should not rent or lease the farm of David Barron, Farmer, of Ballyellen, then out of Lease and for renewal of which lands Walter Blakney, Esquire, of Ballyellen House was Landlord, Peter Doyle expressed his desire to have the Threatening Papers attached to the Chapel Gates in the area and at the Cross Roads threatening Death to any person who would take the Lease of the aforesaid lands. That about four days after meeting Peter Doyle, he was sought out again by Doyle who then and there gave him a Crown Sterling and desired him to go to Saint Mullins to meet with some men to bring to Ballyellen, the names of which were Thomas Kavanagh, Michael Kavanagh, Miley Kavanagh, Patrick Doran, Hugh Nail, James Byrne and James Nowlan all of the Barony of Saint Mullins, Farmers, for the intention of attacking Ballyellen House and by fire consume the property, Peter Doyle told Edward Murphy that each man would be paid a Crown Sterling and whatever Chattles and Yokes they could remove from the House and out-Buildings could be divided among themselves. That they should approach the House at ten of the Clock after sunset at which time Walter Blakney would be in the Palour as was his custom to be so there and that Peter Doyle had a Pistol and a tin of Gunpowder which he would give to Edward Murphy with encouragement that he was to shoot the Bastard Blakney dead as he sat in the Palour and Burn the House, following which no man would then take the Lands at Ballyellen and the Lands of right belong from father to son of the Doyles for over one hundred years before taken from them by David Barron a common rascal of low order and the aforesaid Lands would be restored to the Doyles once Blakney was in the Pit of Hell. Edward Murphy Saith that he heard out Peter Doyle in order to know his Wicked intent in order that he would Swear Information before the Magistrates in Open Court against a dangerous Lunatic and Evil man such as Peter Doyle amongst the Subjects of our most Sovereign Lord, George the Third, King and so Forth. And Edward Murphy further Saith Naught ~(signed) Edward Murphy. Sworn before me this 10th Day of August 1818 (signed) Benjamin Bunbury. Taken and Acknowledged by Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, One of His Majesties Justices of the Peace, before the Clerk of the Peace at the Court House at Carlow Town and conveyed to Walter Blakney, Esquire, by immediate dispatch. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another chance find - currently for sale on eBay, there is a letter written in 1820 from a John HANCOCK and his daughter Mary to another daughter Elizabeth who is at Samuel HAUGHTON's in Carlow. If anyone is interested, have a look to see if it might be worth buying. Eleanore Wellwood Vancouver BC

A brief history of Hacketstown Brass Band written by Patrick M. Byrne for the Carloviana 2011 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Hacketstown_Brass_Band.htm Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm