Honora is also Hannah and Nora On May 18, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Michael Brennan wrote: > > > > > > > Regards > Michael Brennan > County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ > My Laois Page: > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:00 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 7, Issue 291 > > > > When replying to a message please don't forget to delete all messages not > related to your message & change the subject box. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. irl-carlow archives (Tom Lathom) > 2. Re: Anty (karen conderan) > 3. Church of St. Peter and Paul. Ballon, Co. Carlow Headstones > (Michael Brennan) > 4. Re: Anty ([email protected]) > 5. Re: images of St. Patrick's Cemetery, Rathvilly + Dowling > family ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 17:48:41 -0400 > From: "Tom Lathom" <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] irl-carlow archives > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > How do I look at IRL-CARLOW Digest archives? I'd like to look at those St. > Patrick's cemetery photos and must have overlooked the original post. > > Thanks > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:04:34 +0000 > From: karen conderan <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Thanks Bridie, > I would never have guessed that one! > Karen. > >> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:33:51 +0100 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty >> >> Karen, >> >> The name Winifred is ?na (Oo-na) in Irish and Onny is used as a petname >> for ?na in South Carlow. >> >> Bridie Lawlor >> St. Mullins Heritage Centre >> >> >> On 17 May 2012 21:18, karen conderan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Roger, Kate, Sue: >>> I've also seen Honora for Ann several times. And in Irish, Ann is Aine, >>> pronounced on-ya... Onny may be derived directly from that. >>> Onny for Winifred is unusual; I would expect Winny instead. >>> Karen. >>> K. >>> >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 20:48:38 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty >>>> >>>> Kate, >>>> Thank you for your feedback. >>>> >>>> Two other nicknames which you may want to add to your list are: >>>> >>>> Ally for Alice, and Darby for Jeremiah. >>>> >>>> I also have come across "Piery" for Peter >>>> (derived from Norman root "Piers", originally pronounced Pierre). >>>> >>>> Sue Clement's suggestion that Onny may be for Honora also seems likely >>>> to >>>> me. >>>> >>>> Bye for now, >>>> Roger >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:03 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty >>>> >>>> Roger, >>>> >>>> Thanks for pointing out Anty for Anastacia! >>>> >>>> I see these baptismal abbreviations in Windgap KILK .... "Onny" for >>>> Winifred?! >>>> >>>> Name Abbreviations found in registers: >>>> >>>> Wm = William Jas/Js. = James ; Mich/Mick. = Michael ; Margt. = >>>> Margaret ; >>>> Jn/Jno. = John or Jonathan; Ally = Anastasia (sometimes) ; Anty = >>>> Anastasia/Anastatia ; Lau. = Laurence ; pat/patt = patrick ; May = >>>> Mary ; >>>> Jos. = Joseph ; Matt. = Matthew ; Onny = Winifred ; Cath. = Catherine >>>> ; >>>> Danl., Dan = Daniel; Hanna = Hanora or Anne ; Jer. = Jeremiah ; Sally >>>> = >>>> Sarah ; Bess = Elizabeth, Eliza ; Biddy/bridgt. = bridget ; Fanton = >>>> Finton. Nics./Nich = Nicholas ; Thos. = Thomas ; Nelly = Eleanor or >>>> Ellen >>>> ; Fanny = Frances >>>> >>>> Kate in Chicago >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 23:19:31 +0100 > From: "Michael Brennan" <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Church of St. Peter and Paul. Ballon, Co. Carlow > Headstones > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Church of St. Peter and Paul. Ballon, Co. Carlow Headstones > > Maribeth Nolan has provided us some headstone inscriptions for Church of St. > Peter and Paul. Ballon which contain some Nolan families. > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Ballon_Headstones.htm > > Regards > Michael Brennan > County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ > My Laois Page: > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 23:54:22 +0100 (IST) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > i knew a lady that was called (w)onny as her name was > Wonita...............after the old song.........nita, wonita etc etc > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "karen conderan" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2012 11:04:34 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > > Thanks Bridie, > I would never have guessed that one! > Karen. > >> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:33:51 +0100 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty >> >> Karen, >> >> The name Winifred is ?na (Oo-na) in Irish and Onny is used as a petname >> for ?na in South Carlow. >> >> Bridie Lawlor >> St. Mullins Heritage Centre >> >> >> On 17 May 2012 21:18, karen conderan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Roger, Kate, Sue: >>> I've also seen Honora for Ann several times. And in Irish, Ann is Aine, >>> pronounced on-ya... Onny may be derived directly from that. >>> Onny for Winifred is unusual; I would expect Winny instead. >>> Karen. >>> K. >>> >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 20:48:38 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty >>>> >>>> Kate, >>>> Thank you for your feedback. >>>> >>>> Two other nicknames which you may want to add to your list are: >>>> >>>> Ally for Alice, and Darby for Jeremiah. >>>> >>>> I also have come across "Piery" for Peter >>>> (derived from Norman root "Piers", originally pronounced Pierre). >>>> >>>> Sue Clement's suggestion that Onny may be for Honora also seems likely >>>> to >>>> me. >>>> >>>> Bye for now, >>>> Roger >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:03 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty >>>> >>>> Roger, >>>> >>>> Thanks for pointing out Anty for Anastacia! >>>> >>>> I see these baptismal abbreviations in Windgap KILK .... "Onny" for >>>> Winifred?! >>>> >>>> Name Abbreviations found in registers: >>>> >>>> Wm = William Jas/Js. = James ; Mich/Mick. = Michael ; Margt. = >>>> Margaret ; >>>> Jn/Jno. = John or Jonathan; Ally = Anastasia (sometimes) ; Anty = >>>> Anastasia/Anastatia ; Lau. = Laurence ; pat/patt = patrick ; May = >>>> Mary ; >>>> Jos. = Joseph ; Matt. = Matthew ; Onny = Winifred ; Cath. = Catherine >>>> ; >>>> Danl., Dan = Daniel; Hanna = Hanora or Anne ; Jer. = Jeremiah ; Sally >>>> = >>>> Sarah ; Bess = Elizabeth, Eliza ; Biddy/bridgt. = bridget ; Fanton = >>>> Finton. Nics./Nich = Nicholas ; Thos. = Thomas ; Nelly = Eleanor or >>>> Ellen >>>> ; Fanny = Frances >>>> >>>> Kate in Chicago >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Anna! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 23:58:03 +0100 (IST) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] images of St. Patrick's Cemetery, Rathvilly > + Dowling family > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > hi karen...........my grandmother was ellen dowling from rathvilly....her > mother was elizabeth dowling and her father james (i think) her grandmother > was ellen somers......ring any bells with you. they came from a place known > locally as "the beehive" but referred to as tobinstown. i have seen > tobinstown recorded as being in both rathvily and tullow areas of carlow > county. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: "karen conderan" <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2012 10:23:48 PM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Re: images of St. Patrick's Cemetery, Rathvilly + > Dowling family > > > You are so welcome...I'm glad I can contribute to the site, and Michael > is > such a great webmaster. > > -- Sent from my HP TouchPad > _________________________________________________________________ > > On May 17, 2012 5:18 PM, karen conderan <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Maribeth, for submitting info and photos of gravestones in St. > Patrick's, Rathvilly! > And thanks Michael B. for posting the info to the list, otherwise I might > have missed it. > The image of the Dowling family gravestone provided info I needed re > Patrick > and Rosanna Dowling. > Two of Patrick and Rosanna's daughters, Marian and Julia, emigrated to > Toronto and both married there, 1915/16. > Marian married my grandfather's brother, James Conderan; James's father > Patrick Conran/Conderan, was originally from Clonmelsh. > I've often wondered, but have no idea if the two families knew each other > in > Ireland, or if it was a chance meeting in Toronto... > If anyone searching the Dowlings of Rathvilly wants more info on Marian > and > Julia, please let me know. > Karen. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Anna! > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-CARLOW list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 7, Issue 291 > ****************************************** > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Anna. I have only the one Dowling family : Patrick and Rosanna and their children, Michael, John, Margaret, Teresa, Elizabeth. Plus the two girls mentioned below, Marian and Julia who went to Canada, who appear to have left home before 1901 census. Both 1901 and 1911 census shows Patrick, Rosanna, and family at Broughilstown, Rahill (Rathvilly). The gravestone in St. Patk's I mentioned below also has a James Dowling who died young in 1840, probably a brother of Patrick, and a Michael Dowling of Broughillstwn d. 1885, and his wife Judith, d. 1850, who appear to be Patrick's parents. Don't know how many Dowling were in Rathvilly in those days, but would guess your Dowlings are connected to this family somehow. Karen. > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 23:58:03 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] images of St. Patrick's Cemetery, Rathvilly + Dowling family > > hi karen...........my grandmother was ellen dowling from rathvilly....her mother was elizabeth dowling and her father james (i think) her grandmother was ellen somers......ring any bells with you. they came from a place known locally as "the beehive" but referred to as tobinstown. i have seen tobinstown recorded as being in both rathvily and tullow areas of carlow county. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: "karen conderan" <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2012 10:23:48 PM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Re: images of St. Patrick's Cemetery, Rathvilly + Dowling family > > > You are so welcome...I'm glad I can contribute to the site, and Michael is > such a great webmaster. > > -- Sent from my HP TouchPad > _________________________________________________________________ > > On May 17, 2012 5:18 PM, karen conderan <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Maribeth, for submitting info and photos of gravestones in St. > Patrick's, Rathvilly! > And thanks Michael B. for posting the info to the list, otherwise I might > have missed it. > The image of the Dowling family gravestone provided info I needed re Patrick > and Rosanna Dowling. > Two of Patrick and Rosanna's daughters, Marian and Julia, emigrated to > Toronto and both married there, 1915/16. > Marian married my grandfather's brother, James Conderan; James's father > Patrick Conran/Conderan, was originally from Clonmelsh. > I've often wondered, but have no idea if the two families knew each other in > Ireland, or if it was a chance meeting in Toronto... > If anyone searching the Dowlings of Rathvilly wants more info on Marian and > Julia, please let me know. > Karen. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Anna! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

St. Patrick's cemetery photos http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Rathvilly_St_Patricks.htm Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 17:48:41 -0400 From: "Tom Lathom" <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] irl-carlow archives How do I look at IRL-CARLOW Digest archives? I'd like to look at those St. Patrick's cemetery photos and must have overlooked the original post. Thanks

Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 7, Issue 291 When replying to a message please don't forget to delete all messages not related to your message & change the subject box. Today's Topics: 1. irl-carlow archives (Tom Lathom) 2. Re: Anty (karen conderan) 3. Church of St. Peter and Paul. Ballon, Co. Carlow Headstones (Michael Brennan) 4. Re: Anty ([email protected]) 5. Re: images of St. Patrick's Cemetery, Rathvilly + Dowling family ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 17:48:41 -0400 From: "Tom Lathom" <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] irl-carlow archives To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How do I look at IRL-CARLOW Digest archives? I'd like to look at those St. Patrick's cemetery photos and must have overlooked the original post. Thanks ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:04:34 +0000 From: karen conderan <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Bridie, I would never have guessed that one! Karen. > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:33:51 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > Karen, > > The name Winifred is ?na (Oo-na) in Irish and Onny is used as a petname > for ?na in South Carlow. > > Bridie Lawlor > St. Mullins Heritage Centre > > > On 17 May 2012 21:18, karen conderan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Roger, Kate, Sue: > > I've also seen Honora for Ann several times. And in Irish, Ann is Aine, > > pronounced on-ya... Onny may be derived directly from that. > > Onny for Winifred is unusual; I would expect Winny instead. > > Karen. > > K. > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 20:48:38 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > > > > > Kate, > > > Thank you for your feedback. > > > > > > Two other nicknames which you may want to add to your list are: > > > > > > Ally for Alice, and Darby for Jeremiah. > > > > > > I also have come across "Piery" for Peter > > > (derived from Norman root "Piers", originally pronounced Pierre). > > > > > > Sue Clement's suggestion that Onny may be for Honora also seems likely > > > to > > > me. > > > > > > Bye for now, > > > Roger > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:03 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > > > > > Roger, > > > > > > Thanks for pointing out Anty for Anastacia! > > > > > > I see these baptismal abbreviations in Windgap KILK .... "Onny" for > > > Winifred?! > > > > > > Name Abbreviations found in registers: > > > > > > Wm = William Jas/Js. = James ; Mich/Mick. = Michael ; Margt. = > > > Margaret ; > > > Jn/Jno. = John or Jonathan; Ally = Anastasia (sometimes) ; Anty = > > > Anastasia/Anastatia ; Lau. = Laurence ; pat/patt = patrick ; May = > > > Mary ; > > > Jos. = Joseph ; Matt. = Matthew ; Onny = Winifred ; Cath. = Catherine > > > ; > > > Danl., Dan = Daniel; Hanna = Hanora or Anne ; Jer. = Jeremiah ; Sally > > > = > > > Sarah ; Bess = Elizabeth, Eliza ; Biddy/bridgt. = bridget ; Fanton = > > > Finton. Nics./Nich = Nicholas ; Thos. = Thomas ; Nelly = Eleanor or > > > Ellen > > > ; Fanny = Frances > > > > > > Kate in Chicago > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 23:19:31 +0100 From: "Michael Brennan" <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Church of St. Peter and Paul. Ballon, Co. Carlow Headstones To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Church of St. Peter and Paul. Ballon, Co. Carlow Headstones Maribeth Nolan has provided us some headstone inscriptions for Church of St. Peter and Paul. Ballon which contain some Nolan families. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Ballon_Headstones.htm Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 23:54:22 +0100 (IST) From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 i knew a lady that was called (w)onny as her name was Wonita...............after the old song.........nita, wonita etc etc ----- Original Message ----- From: "karen conderan" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2012 11:04:34 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty Thanks Bridie, I would never have guessed that one! Karen. > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:33:51 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > Karen, > > The name Winifred is ?na (Oo-na) in Irish and Onny is used as a petname > for ?na in South Carlow. > > Bridie Lawlor > St. Mullins Heritage Centre > > > On 17 May 2012 21:18, karen conderan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Roger, Kate, Sue: > > I've also seen Honora for Ann several times. And in Irish, Ann is Aine, > > pronounced on-ya... Onny may be derived directly from that. > > Onny for Winifred is unusual; I would expect Winny instead. > > Karen. > > K. > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 20:48:38 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > > > > > Kate, > > > Thank you for your feedback. > > > > > > Two other nicknames which you may want to add to your list are: > > > > > > Ally for Alice, and Darby for Jeremiah. > > > > > > I also have come across "Piery" for Peter > > > (derived from Norman root "Piers", originally pronounced Pierre). > > > > > > Sue Clement's suggestion that Onny may be for Honora also seems likely > > > to > > > me. > > > > > > Bye for now, > > > Roger > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:03 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > > > > > Roger, > > > > > > Thanks for pointing out Anty for Anastacia! > > > > > > I see these baptismal abbreviations in Windgap KILK .... "Onny" for > > > Winifred?! > > > > > > Name Abbreviations found in registers: > > > > > > Wm = William Jas/Js. = James ; Mich/Mick. = Michael ; Margt. = > > > Margaret ; > > > Jn/Jno. = John or Jonathan; Ally = Anastasia (sometimes) ; Anty = > > > Anastasia/Anastatia ; Lau. = Laurence ; pat/patt = patrick ; May = > > > Mary ; > > > Jos. = Joseph ; Matt. = Matthew ; Onny = Winifred ; Cath. = Catherine > > > ; > > > Danl., Dan = Daniel; Hanna = Hanora or Anne ; Jer. = Jeremiah ; Sally > > > = > > > Sarah ; Bess = Elizabeth, Eliza ; Biddy/bridgt. = bridget ; Fanton = > > > Finton. Nics./Nich = Nicholas ; Thos. = Thomas ; Nelly = Eleanor or > > > Ellen > > > ; Fanny = Frances > > > > > > Kate in Chicago > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Anna! ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 23:58:03 +0100 (IST) From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] images of St. Patrick's Cemetery, Rathvilly + Dowling family To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 hi karen...........my grandmother was ellen dowling from rathvilly....her mother was elizabeth dowling and her father james (i think) her grandmother was ellen somers......ring any bells with you. they came from a place known locally as "the beehive" but referred to as tobinstown. i have seen tobinstown recorded as being in both rathvily and tullow areas of carlow county. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: "karen conderan" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2012 10:23:48 PM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Re: images of St. Patrick's Cemetery, Rathvilly + Dowling family You are so welcome...I'm glad I can contribute to the site, and Michael is such a great webmaster. -- Sent from my HP TouchPad _________________________________________________________________ On May 17, 2012 5:18 PM, karen conderan <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks Maribeth, for submitting info and photos of gravestones in St. Patrick's, Rathvilly! And thanks Michael B. for posting the info to the list, otherwise I might have missed it. The image of the Dowling family gravestone provided info I needed re Patrick and Rosanna Dowling. Two of Patrick and Rosanna's daughters, Marian and Julia, emigrated to Toronto and both married there, 1915/16. Marian married my grandfather's brother, James Conderan; James's father Patrick Conran/Conderan, was originally from Clonmelsh. I've often wondered, but have no idea if the two families knew each other in Ireland, or if it was a chance meeting in Toronto... If anyone searching the Dowlings of Rathvilly wants more info on Marian and Julia, please let me know. Karen. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Anna! ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-CARLOW list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the IRL-CARLOW mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 7, Issue 291 ******************************************

There are also St. Patrick cemetery photos for Byrne's at [1]http://www.igp-web.com/igparchives/ire/carlow/photos/tombstones/rathvill y/index.html Gene Gribbin On 5/18/2012 12:00 PM, Michael Brennan wrote: St. Patrick's cemetery photos [2]http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Rathvilly_St_Patricks.htm Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: [3]http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: [4]http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 17:48:41 -0400 From: "Tom Lathom" [5]<[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] irl-carlow archives How do I look at IRL-CARLOW Digest archives? I'd like to look at those St. Patrick's cemetery photos and must have overlooked the original post. Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [6][email protected] tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://www.igp-web.com/igparchives/ire/carlow/photos/tombstones/rathvilly/index.html 2. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Rathvilly_St_Patricks.htm 3. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ 4. http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm 5. mailto:[email protected] 6. mailto:[email protected]

I John Strahan do swear that I usually reside at Bellshill in the Townland of Bellshill, Carlow. So help me God. (signed) John, hisXmark, Strahan. I John Dunn do swear that I am a Householder, and have a House wherein I usually reside, at Eagle Hill, Clonmore, Barony of Rathvilly, Carlow. and that I am worth the sum of £5. (signed) John Dunn. I Denis Conran do swear that I am a Householder, and have a House wherein I usually reside, at Davis Hill, Clonmore, Barony of Rathvilly, Carlow. and that I am worth the sum of £5. (signed) Denis Conran. Sworn before me at Tullow Petty Sessions this 24th day of October 1835. The condition of this Recognizance is that the above bounden John Strahan shall appear in his proper person in open court and answer all such Matters and Things as shall be objected against him on behalf of our said Lord the King by James Strahan. Taken and acknowledged before us this 24th Day of October 1835. (signed) Robert Doyne, Pillsworth Whelan, ? Butler.

hi karen...........my grandmother was ellen dowling from rathvilly....her mother was elizabeth dowling and her father james (i think) her grandmother was ellen somers......ring any bells with you. they came from a place known locally as "the beehive" but referred to as tobinstown. i have seen tobinstown recorded as being in both rathvily and tullow areas of carlow county. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: "karen conderan" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2012 10:23:48 PM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Re: images of St. Patrick's Cemetery, Rathvilly + Dowling family You are so welcome...I'm glad I can contribute to the site, and Michael is such a great webmaster. -- Sent from my HP TouchPad _________________________________________________________________ On May 17, 2012 5:18 PM, karen conderan <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks Maribeth, for submitting info and photos of gravestones in St. Patrick's, Rathvilly! And thanks Michael B. for posting the info to the list, otherwise I might have missed it. The image of the Dowling family gravestone provided info I needed re Patrick and Rosanna Dowling. Two of Patrick and Rosanna's daughters, Marian and Julia, emigrated to Toronto and both married there, 1915/16. Marian married my grandfather's brother, James Conderan; James's father Patrick Conran/Conderan, was originally from Clonmelsh. I've often wondered, but have no idea if the two families knew each other in Ireland, or if it was a chance meeting in Toronto... If anyone searching the Dowlings of Rathvilly wants more info on Marian and Julia, please let me know. Karen. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Anna!

i knew a lady that was called (w)onny as her name was Wonita...............after the old song.........nita, wonita etc etc ----- Original Message ----- From: "karen conderan" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2012 11:04:34 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty Thanks Bridie, I would never have guessed that one! Karen. > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:33:51 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > Karen, > > The name Winifred is Úna (Oo-na) in Irish and Onny is used as a petname > for Úna in South Carlow. > > Bridie Lawlor > St. Mullins Heritage Centre > > > On 17 May 2012 21:18, karen conderan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Roger, Kate, Sue: > > I've also seen Honora for Ann several times. And in Irish, Ann is Aine, > > pronounced on-ya... Onny may be derived directly from that. > > Onny for Winifred is unusual; I would expect Winny instead. > > Karen. > > K. > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 20:48:38 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > > > > > Kate, > > > Thank you for your feedback. > > > > > > Two other nicknames which you may want to add to your list are: > > > > > > Ally for Alice, and Darby for Jeremiah. > > > > > > I also have come across "Piery" for Peter > > > (derived from Norman root "Piers", originally pronounced Pierre). > > > > > > Sue Clement's suggestion that Onny may be for Honora also seems likely to > > > me. > > > > > > Bye for now, > > > Roger > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:03 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > > > > > Roger, > > > > > > Thanks for pointing out Anty for Anastacia! > > > > > > I see these baptismal abbreviations in Windgap KILK .... "Onny" for > > > Winifred?! > > > > > > Name Abbreviations found in registers: > > > > > > Wm = William Jas/Js. = James ; Mich/Mick. = Michael ; Margt. = Margaret ; > > > Jn/Jno. = John or Jonathan; Ally = Anastasia (sometimes) ; Anty = > > > Anastasia/Anastatia ; Lau. = Laurence ; pat/patt = patrick ; May = Mary ; > > > Jos. = Joseph ; Matt. = Matthew ; Onny = Winifred ; Cath. = Catherine ; > > > Danl., Dan = Daniel; Hanna = Hanora or Anne ; Jer. = Jeremiah ; Sally = > > > Sarah ; Bess = Elizabeth, Eliza ; Biddy/bridgt. = bridget ; Fanton = > > > Finton. Nics./Nich = Nicholas ; Thos. = Thomas ; Nelly = Eleanor or Ellen > > > ; Fanny = Frances > > > > > > Kate in Chicago > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Anna!

Church of St. Peter and Paul. Ballon, Co. Carlow Headstones Maribeth Nolan has provided us some headstone inscriptions for Church of St. Peter and Paul. Ballon which contain some Nolan families. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Ballon_Headstones.htm Regards Michael Brennan County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm

Karen, The name Winifred is Úna (Oo-na) in Irish and Onny is used as a petname for Úna in South Carlow. Bridie Lawlor St. Mullins Heritage Centre On 17 May 2012 21:18, karen conderan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Roger, Kate, Sue: > I've also seen Honora for Ann several times. And in Irish, Ann is Aine, > pronounced on-ya... Onny may be derived directly from that. > Onny for Winifred is unusual; I would expect Winny instead. > Karen. > K. > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 20:48:38 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > > > Kate, > > Thank you for your feedback. > > > > Two other nicknames which you may want to add to your list are: > > > > Ally for Alice, and Darby for Jeremiah. > > > > I also have come across "Piery" for Peter > > (derived from Norman root "Piers", originally pronounced Pierre). > > > > Sue Clement's suggestion that Onny may be for Honora also seems likely to > > me. > > > > Bye for now, > > Roger > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:03 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > > > Roger, > > > > Thanks for pointing out Anty for Anastacia! > > > > I see these baptismal abbreviations in Windgap KILK .... "Onny" for > > Winifred?! > > > > Name Abbreviations found in registers: > > > > Wm = William Jas/Js. = James ; Mich/Mick. = Michael ; Margt. = Margaret ; > > Jn/Jno. = John or Jonathan; Ally = Anastasia (sometimes) ; Anty = > > Anastasia/Anastatia ; Lau. = Laurence ; pat/patt = patrick ; May = Mary ; > > Jos. = Joseph ; Matt. = Matthew ; Onny = Winifred ; Cath. = Catherine ; > > Danl., Dan = Daniel; Hanna = Hanora or Anne ; Jer. = Jeremiah ; Sally = > > Sarah ; Bess = Elizabeth, Eliza ; Biddy/bridgt. = bridget ; Fanton = > > Finton. Nics./Nich = Nicholas ; Thos. = Thomas ; Nelly = Eleanor or Ellen > > ; Fanny = Frances > > > > Kate in Chicago > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Bridie, I would never have guessed that one! Karen. > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:33:51 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > Karen, > > The name Winifred is Úna (Oo-na) in Irish and Onny is used as a petname > for Úna in South Carlow. > > Bridie Lawlor > St. Mullins Heritage Centre > > > On 17 May 2012 21:18, karen conderan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Roger, Kate, Sue: > > I've also seen Honora for Ann several times. And in Irish, Ann is Aine, > > pronounced on-ya... Onny may be derived directly from that. > > Onny for Winifred is unusual; I would expect Winny instead. > > Karen. > > K. > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 20:48:38 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > > > > > Kate, > > > Thank you for your feedback. > > > > > > Two other nicknames which you may want to add to your list are: > > > > > > Ally for Alice, and Darby for Jeremiah. > > > > > > I also have come across "Piery" for Peter > > > (derived from Norman root "Piers", originally pronounced Pierre). > > > > > > Sue Clement's suggestion that Onny may be for Honora also seems likely to > > > me. > > > > > > Bye for now, > > > Roger > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:03 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > > > > > Roger, > > > > > > Thanks for pointing out Anty for Anastacia! > > > > > > I see these baptismal abbreviations in Windgap KILK .... "Onny" for > > > Winifred?! > > > > > > Name Abbreviations found in registers: > > > > > > Wm = William Jas/Js. = James ; Mich/Mick. = Michael ; Margt. = Margaret ; > > > Jn/Jno. = John or Jonathan; Ally = Anastasia (sometimes) ; Anty = > > > Anastasia/Anastatia ; Lau. = Laurence ; pat/patt = patrick ; May = Mary ; > > > Jos. = Joseph ; Matt. = Matthew ; Onny = Winifred ; Cath. = Catherine ; > > > Danl., Dan = Daniel; Hanna = Hanora or Anne ; Jer. = Jeremiah ; Sally = > > > Sarah ; Bess = Elizabeth, Eliza ; Biddy/bridgt. = bridget ; Fanton = > > > Finton. Nics./Nich = Nicholas ; Thos. = Thomas ; Nelly = Eleanor or Ellen > > > ; Fanny = Frances > > > > > > Kate in Chicago > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe the Carlow connection came through the Cooke family of Oak Park, Carlow. The Kenmare Papers are in the Public Record Office Northern Ireland, they may be searched via Google. On 17 May 2012 21:16, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > The Earl of Kenmare is noted on many documents within the PPP as > landlord.... > > > On 17 May 2012 19:29, Roger Nowlan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Greetings All! >> >> Within the last week or so I made a posting where I identified a >> landowner in the Ballyellin area as “Earl of Kanmare” (sic Kenmare). >> >> I have now researched who this person might have been and find that it >> was someone from the Browne family, no doubt someone related to the >> “Browne” in “Browne-Clayton papers”. >> The Earlship was created in 1801 and the ancestor of the 2nd Earl of >> Kenmare (the one mentioned in the will I discussed in my Email) was a >> Thomas Browne, 4th Viscount Kenmare. >> >> Information on this ancestor is found at >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Browne,_4th_Viscount_Kenmare >> and I note in particular this family’s connection to the Jacobite cause >> and its Roman Catholic affiliation. >> Here is the relevant excerpt from the webpage identified above: >> >> “ >> This was an Irish peerage created after the removal of James II from the >> English throne, >> but during the period when James was de facto king of Ireland, before the >> conquest of Ireland by William III. >> >> The first and second viscounts had fought for James II but seem never to >> have been formally attainted under William. >> Consequently, the peerage remained on the Irish patent roll in a >> constitutionally ambiguous position, but was not formally recognized by the >> Protestant political establishment. >> >> Thomas Browne was reportedly educated at Westminster School until the >> death of his father in 1736. >> >> Browne's older brother, Valentine, had died in 1728, so Thomas inherited >> the peerage and the estate (of more than 120,000 acres) intact. >> >> Repeated attempts to persuade him to convert to the English established >> church came to nothing, even though his refusal cost him a university >> matriculation at Oxford and a place in the English House of Commons. >> >> In 1750, he married Anne Cooke, daughter of Thomas Cooke of Painstown, >> County Carlow, with whom he had two children. >> >> “ >> >> Bye for now, >> >> Roger >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thanks Maribeth, for submitting info and photos of gravestones in St. Patrick's, Rathvilly! And thanks Michael B. for posting the info to the list, otherwise I might have missed it. The image of the Dowling family gravestone provided info I needed re Patrick and Rosanna Dowling. Two of Patrick and Rosanna's daughters, Marian and Julia, emigrated to Toronto and both married there, 1915/16. Marian married my grandfather's brother, James Conderan; James's father Patrick Conran/Conderan, was originally from Clonmelsh. I've often wondered, but have no idea if the two families knew each other in Ireland, or if it was a chance meeting in Toronto... If anyone searching the Dowlings of Rathvilly wants more info on Marian and Julia, please let me know. Karen.

The Earl of Kenmare is noted on many documents within the PPP as landlord.... On 17 May 2012 19:29, Roger Nowlan <[email protected]> wrote: > Greetings All! > > Within the last week or so I made a posting where I identified a landowner > in the Ballyellin area as “Earl of Kanmare” (sic Kenmare). > > I have now researched who this person might have been and find that it was > someone from the Browne family, no doubt someone related to the “Browne” in > “Browne-Clayton papers”. > The Earlship was created in 1801 and the ancestor of the 2nd Earl of > Kenmare (the one mentioned in the will I discussed in my Email) was a > Thomas Browne, 4th Viscount Kenmare. > > Information on this ancestor is found at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Browne,_4th_Viscount_Kenmare > and I note in particular this family’s connection to the Jacobite cause > and its Roman Catholic affiliation. > Here is the relevant excerpt from the webpage identified above: > > “ > This was an Irish peerage created after the removal of James II from the > English throne, > but during the period when James was de facto king of Ireland, before the > conquest of Ireland by William III. > > The first and second viscounts had fought for James II but seem never to > have been formally attainted under William. > Consequently, the peerage remained on the Irish patent roll in a > constitutionally ambiguous position, but was not formally recognized by the > Protestant political establishment. > > Thomas Browne was reportedly educated at Westminster School until the > death of his father in 1736. > > Browne's older brother, Valentine, had died in 1728, so Thomas inherited > the peerage and the estate (of more than 120,000 acres) intact. > > Repeated attempts to persuade him to convert to the English established > church came to nothing, even though his refusal cost him a university > matriculation at Oxford and a place in the English House of Commons. > > In 1750, he married Anne Cooke, daughter of Thomas Cooke of Painstown, > County Carlow, with whom he had two children. > > “ > > Bye for now, > > Roger > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roger, Kate, Sue: I've also seen Honora for Ann several times. And in Irish, Ann is Aine, pronounced on-ya... Onny may be derived directly from that. Onny for Winifred is unusual; I would expect Winny instead. Karen. K. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 20:48:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > Kate, > Thank you for your feedback. > > Two other nicknames which you may want to add to your list are: > > Ally for Alice, and Darby for Jeremiah. > > I also have come across "Piery" for Peter > (derived from Norman root "Piers", originally pronounced Pierre). > > Sue Clement's suggestion that Onny may be for Honora also seems likely to > me. > > Bye for now, > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:03 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty > > Roger, > > Thanks for pointing out Anty for Anastacia! > > I see these baptismal abbreviations in Windgap KILK .... "Onny" for > Winifred?! > > Name Abbreviations found in registers: > > Wm = William Jas/Js. = James ; Mich/Mick. = Michael ; Margt. = Margaret ; > Jn/Jno. = John or Jonathan; Ally = Anastasia (sometimes) ; Anty = > Anastasia/Anastatia ; Lau. = Laurence ; pat/patt = patrick ; May = Mary ; > Jos. = Joseph ; Matt. = Matthew ; Onny = Winifred ; Cath. = Catherine ; > Danl., Dan = Daniel; Hanna = Hanora or Anne ; Jer. = Jeremiah ; Sally = > Sarah ; Bess = Elizabeth, Eliza ; Biddy/bridgt. = bridget ; Fanton = > Finton. Nics./Nich = Nicholas ; Thos. = Thomas ; Nelly = Eleanor or Ellen > ; Fanny = Frances > > Kate in Chicago > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How do I look at IRL-CARLOW Digest archives? I'd like to look at those St. Patrick's cemetery photos and must have overlooked the original post. Thanks

You are so welcome...I'm glad I can contribute to the site, and Michael is such a great webmaster. -- Sent from my HP TouchPad _________________________________________________________________ On May 17, 2012 5:18 PM, karen conderan <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks Maribeth, for submitting info and photos of gravestones in St. Patrick's, Rathvilly! And thanks Michael B. for posting the info to the list, otherwise I might have missed it. The image of the Dowling family gravestone provided info I needed re Patrick and Rosanna Dowling. Two of Patrick and Rosanna's daughters, Marian and Julia, emigrated to Toronto and both married there, 1915/16. Marian married my grandfather's brother, James Conderan; James's father Patrick Conran/Conderan, was originally from Clonmelsh. I've often wondered, but have no idea if the two families knew each other in Ireland, or if it was a chance meeting in Toronto... If anyone searching the Dowlings of Rathvilly wants more info on Marian and Julia, please let me know. Karen. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings All! Within the last week or so I made a posting where I identified a landowner in the Ballyellin area as “Earl of Kanmare” (sic Kenmare). I have now researched who this person might have been and find that it was someone from the Browne family, no doubt someone related to the “Browne” in “Browne-Clayton papers”. The Earlship was created in 1801 and the ancestor of the 2nd Earl of Kenmare (the one mentioned in the will I discussed in my Email) was a Thomas Browne, 4th Viscount Kenmare. Information on this ancestor is found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Browne,_4th_Viscount_Kenmare and I note in particular this family’s connection to the Jacobite cause and its Roman Catholic affiliation. Here is the relevant excerpt from the webpage identified above: “ This was an Irish peerage created after the removal of James II from the English throne, but during the period when James was de facto king of Ireland, before the conquest of Ireland by William III. The first and second viscounts had fought for James II but seem never to have been formally attainted under William. Consequently, the peerage remained on the Irish patent roll in a constitutionally ambiguous position, but was not formally recognized by the Protestant political establishment. Thomas Browne was reportedly educated at Westminster School until the death of his father in 1736. Browne's older brother, Valentine, had died in 1728, so Thomas inherited the peerage and the estate (of more than 120,000 acres) intact. Repeated attempts to persuade him to convert to the English established church came to nothing, even though his refusal cost him a university matriculation at Oxford and a place in the English House of Commons. In 1750, he married Anne Cooke, daughter of Thomas Cooke of Painstown, County Carlow, with whom he had two children. “ Bye for now, Roger

Pat Purcell Papers. 1846. By William Jones Westly, Esquire, one of Her Majesty's Justices of the Peace in and for Carlow. THE INFORMATION of Laurence Cummins of Raheen, Parish of Clonmore, Barony of Rathvilly and County of Carlow who being duly sworn on the Holy Evangelists, deposeth and saith, that on the 26th day of March 1846 as Laurence Cummins was on his way to Tinahealy he went into the forge of James Byrne, Blacksmith, on the lands of Ballyduff in aforesaid parish Barony and County. And after giving some directions concerning some work to James Byrne, he went to the forge fire to light his pipe and while in the Act of lighting his pipe he was struck most violently with an Trace pinchers by Patrick Cummins of Ballyduff, Carlow who did there and then inflict a most dangerous wound on Laurence Cummins with the Trace pinchers which put him in danger of death and which caused him to be under the care of Doctor Irvine ? of Tullow from the 26th day of March to the present day. (signed) Laurence Cummins. Sworn before me this 27th day of June 1846. (signed) William Jones Westly ~ Magistrate for Carlow ~.

Nelly/Nellie was not only a nickname for Ellen or Eleanor but also for Helen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Nowlan" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 8:48:38 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty Kate, Thank you for your feedback. Two other nicknames which you may want to add to your list are: Ally for Alice, and Darby for Jeremiah. I also have come across "Piery" for Peter (derived from Norman root "Piers", originally pronounced Pierre). Sue Clement's suggestion that Onny may be for Honora also seems likely to me. Bye for now, Roger -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 10:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Anty Roger, Thanks for pointing out Anty for Anastacia! I see these baptismal abbreviations in Windgap KILK .... "Onny" for Winifred?! Name Abbreviations found in registers: Wm = William Jas/Js. = James ; Mich/Mick. = Michael ; Margt. = Margaret ; Jn/Jno. = John or Jonathan; Ally = Anastasia (sometimes) ; Anty = Anastasia/Anastatia ; Lau. = Laurence ; pat/patt = patrick ; May = Mary ; Jos. = Joseph ; Matt. = Matthew ; Onny = Winifred ; Cath. = Catherine ; Danl., Dan = Daniel; Hanna = Hanora or Anne ; Jer. = Jeremiah ; Sally = Sarah ; Bess = Elizabeth, Eliza ; Biddy/bridgt. = bridget ; Fanton = Finton. Nics./Nich = Nicholas ; Thos. = Thomas ; Nelly = Eleanor or Ellen ; Fanny = Frances Kate in Chicago ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message