The Rathvilly Gang were only out for themselves...there was no mention of secret societies at their trial in July 1822 before Lord Norbury in Carlow, but, depending on who they were dealing with or what level of fear they were inspired to arouse, I am sure the gang often claimed they were representing - Moll Doyles / Whiteboys / Ribbonmen / Rockites / Whitefeet / Carders / Blackfeet / Caravats / Shanavests / Black Hens / Three Year Olds / Four Year Olds / Magpies or any of the other "secret societys' that were terrorising the countryside during this period....I will soon post extract from 1822 Captain Rock notice to the "Heritic Landlords of Carlow". On 25 June 2012 22:05, Turtle Bunbury <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks again for this Mick. It's amazing how much that troubled period > of 1820-1823 has come to life in these pages. If Captain Rock posted > his handbills in Feb 1822, that was just after the Finnegan gang > attacked the Rev. Le Poer Trench and the Carlow Gentry had formed a > subscription offering a reward for the ‘Discovery of the Perpetrators > of the Various Outrages’ etc. And in April 1822, the Rev. Fr. Martin > Doyle P.P. Clonegal informed the authorities that he had information > that would lead to the arrest of the Gang. I wonder if the Finnegans > and Captain Rock were in cahoots, if not the same people? > > Do the handbills name all nine heretic landlords and if so, would it > be possible to see the other eight? > > Cheerio for now, > > Turtle > > > Turtle Bunbury > www.turtlebunbury.com > > Old Fort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland > > > Mob: + 353 - (0) 87 - 6453 486 Skype: turtle1847 > www.facebook.com/turtle.bunbury > > On 25 Jun 2012, at 21:31, michael purcell wrote: > > > last correction to this post - difficult to make out the writing but > > convinced now that the date on the threatening notice from Captain > > Rock to > > the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" should read February 1822 not > > February > > 1820. > > > > On 25 June 2012 20:54, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> ( sorry for posting this again but there was an error in the previous > >> posting, mick ). > >> In the recent post from Turtle Bunbury reference was made by Lord > >> Norbury > >> to "the miracle of Prince Hohenloe performed in the Queen's county". > >> Donal McCartney in his book "The Dawning of Democracy : Ireland > >> 1800 - > >> 1870", ( page 101 ) writes;- > >> " In the height of the fever about the prophecies of Pastorini, > >> miracles > >> were ascribed to Prince Hohenloe, a German priest who was visiting > >> Ireland. > >> The miracles ( one woman was said to have recovered her speech ) were > >> publicised by Bishop Doyle of Kildare and Leighlin and Archbishop > >> Murray of > >> Dublin in whose diocese the miracles were reported. Thanksgivings > >> were > >> offered in the churches, and at Ennis a high mass was celebrated. > >> Reports > >> of the miraculous cures seemed to confirm the truth of the Pastorini > >> prophecies". > >> [ Note added by Michael Purcell 2012 - > >> According to the Michael Brophy research notes in the PPP the secret > >> society of "Captain Rock" were trying to convince the people that the > >> prophecies of Pastorini had special significance for Ireland. > >> Handbills were distributed by "The Rockites" stating that "all > >> heretics ( > >> Protestants ) would be eliminated in Ireland "before the dawning of > >> 1826" > >> as prophesied by "Signor Pastorini" > >> The date 25th December 1824 was believed to be the date the > >> massacre of > >> the heretics would begin. > >> Among the PPP there are two warning notices, dated February > >> 1820, addressed to the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" ( naming nine > >> landlords including Benjamin Bunbury ) signed by "Captain Rock". > >> Born in 1771, Prince Alexander of Hohenloe was a member of the > >> Bavarian > >> royal family, he was ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic Church > >> and > >> became famous throughout Europe as a miracle worker. > >> He preformed many of his " miracles" by appointment, telling > >> believers to > >> pray at a certain time on a certain date in order to have their > >> affliction > >> cured. > >> Pastorini translated from Italian as "the little pastor" was > >> sometimes > >> referred to by the authorities in Ireland as "the little bastard".] > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Anna, I'll do that! On 06/26/12, [email protected] wrote: that's the one i mean but also try bennekerry as it is so close............anna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maribeth Nolan" <[1][email protected]> To: [2][email protected] Sent: Monday, 25 June, 2012 3:36:19 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] KING Family Hi Anna, I'm not familiar with the Grange cemetery you mention...only one I know is St. John in the Grange near Killerig cross...that's where my Nolan family are buried (including Agnes King Nolan). Where is Barrow Track Killeshin? ----- Original Message ----- From: [3][email protected] To: [4][email protected] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] KING Family did you try Grange cemetery, old carlow on the barrow track, killeshin. there are at least 3 families of kings in carlow, one from st. fiac's terrace in graiguecullen, (where sleaty street is) one from st. killian's cresent in carlow town and one that owned a pub in tullow street in the town. hope this helps. anna ----- Original Message ----- From: [5][email protected] To: [6][email protected] Sent: Sunday, 24 June, 2012 4:16:12 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] KING Family Well, this would probably have been the next generation down. I estimate she was born about 1860, and emigrated to the States in the mid 1880's. The name is uncommon (as is Ring) and that is why I thought there might be a connection. I am not near my ancestry info at the moment, so I am not sure of her parents names..........I may not have them since she would have been related by marriage to my husband's grandfather. But if it is the same one, she outlived everyone (died in 1949) raised her children almost alone as her husband died around 1912, and took in the children of her brother in law as he died, too. A strong Irish woman. I may even have a picture of her........have the picture (fuzzy), not sure it is her, but believe it to be. In a message dated 6/23/2012 10:22:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [7][email protected] writes: Hi Dee, I'm not sure...the names I have are John King and James King, brothers of Agnes. Not sure if there were other siblings. The family stayed in Ireland. Cheers, Maribeth ----- Original Message ----- From: [8][email protected] To: [9][email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] KING Family Maribeth, Was there a Catherine King among your relatives? This is a name I don't see often on this site. Katherine/Catherine King married Michael Ring in the US, but I think both were from around the St. Mullins area. Dee In a message dated 6/23/2012 4:00:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [10][email protected] writes: Hi All, IâÂÂm wondering if anyone has any ideas as to where I can find the burial place of my King ancestors. John King married Bridget Timmins (in 1839) and had several children, including my GGmother, Agnes, who married Thomas Nolan of Rathvilly and is buried in Grange cemetery. The Kings lived on Sleaty Street and Maryborough Street in Graigue in at least the 1840s an on, but I canâÂÂt find where they are buried. Any ideas are appreciated. 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Does anyone know anything about a lady called Elizabeth Ellenora Widdup? In 1874, she sold a lot of land in Co. Carlow at the Landed Esates Court at the Four Courts in Dublin. They were sold as part of an enclosed lot of 890 ‘good quality, well-watered, judiciously divided and fenced’ acres that also included the village of Kildavin and the lands of Lackabeg, Ballyshancarragh (part of Huntingdon manor) and Crowsgrove.[i] Am interested in her or any connections to the Doyle family of Lackabeg. Many thanks, Turtle [i] The Irish Times, Wednesday, December 31, 1873, p. 7.

Thanks again for this Mick. It's amazing how much that troubled period of 1820-1823 has come to life in these pages. If Captain Rock posted his handbills in Feb 1822, that was just after the Finnegan gang attacked the Rev. Le Poer Trench and the Carlow Gentry had formed a subscription offering a reward for the ‘Discovery of the Perpetrators of the Various Outrages’ etc. And in April 1822, the Rev. Fr. Martin Doyle P.P. Clonegal informed the authorities that he had information that would lead to the arrest of the Gang. I wonder if the Finnegans and Captain Rock were in cahoots, if not the same people? Do the handbills name all nine heretic landlords and if so, would it be possible to see the other eight? Cheerio for now, Turtle Turtle Bunbury www.turtlebunbury.com Old Fort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland Mob: + 353 - (0) 87 - 6453 486 Skype: turtle1847 www.facebook.com/turtle.bunbury On 25 Jun 2012, at 21:31, michael purcell wrote: > last correction to this post - difficult to make out the writing but > convinced now that the date on the threatening notice from Captain > Rock to > the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" should read February 1822 not > February > 1820. > > On 25 June 2012 20:54, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ( sorry for posting this again but there was an error in the previous >> posting, mick ). >> In the recent post from Turtle Bunbury reference was made by Lord >> Norbury >> to "the miracle of Prince Hohenloe performed in the Queen's county". >> Donal McCartney in his book "The Dawning of Democracy : Ireland >> 1800 - >> 1870", ( page 101 ) writes;- >> " In the height of the fever about the prophecies of Pastorini, >> miracles >> were ascribed to Prince Hohenloe, a German priest who was visiting >> Ireland. >> The miracles ( one woman was said to have recovered her speech ) were >> publicised by Bishop Doyle of Kildare and Leighlin and Archbishop >> Murray of >> Dublin in whose diocese the miracles were reported. Thanksgivings >> were >> offered in the churches, and at Ennis a high mass was celebrated. >> Reports >> of the miraculous cures seemed to confirm the truth of the Pastorini >> prophecies". >> [ Note added by Michael Purcell 2012 - >> According to the Michael Brophy research notes in the PPP the secret >> society of "Captain Rock" were trying to convince the people that the >> prophecies of Pastorini had special significance for Ireland. >> Handbills were distributed by "The Rockites" stating that "all >> heretics ( >> Protestants ) would be eliminated in Ireland "before the dawning of >> 1826" >> as prophesied by "Signor Pastorini" >> The date 25th December 1824 was believed to be the date the >> massacre of >> the heretics would begin. >> Among the PPP there are two warning notices, dated February >> 1820, addressed to the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" ( naming nine >> landlords including Benjamin Bunbury ) signed by "Captain Rock". >> Born in 1771, Prince Alexander of Hohenloe was a member of the >> Bavarian >> royal family, he was ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic Church >> and >> became famous throughout Europe as a miracle worker. >> He preformed many of his " miracles" by appointment, telling >> believers to >> pray at a certain time on a certain date in order to have their >> affliction >> cured. >> Pastorini translated from Italian as "the little pastor" was >> sometimes >> referred to by the authorities in Ireland as "the little bastard".] >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

last correction to this post - difficult to make out the writing but convinced now that the date on the threatening notice from Captain Rock to the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" should read February 1822 not February 1820. On 25 June 2012 20:54, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > ( sorry for posting this again but there was an error in the previous > posting, mick ). > In the recent post from Turtle Bunbury reference was made by Lord Norbury > to "the miracle of Prince Hohenloe performed in the Queen's county". > Donal McCartney in his book "The Dawning of Democracy : Ireland 1800 - > 1870", ( page 101 ) writes;- > " In the height of the fever about the prophecies of Pastorini, miracles > were ascribed to Prince Hohenloe, a German priest who was visiting Ireland. > The miracles ( one woman was said to have recovered her speech ) were > publicised by Bishop Doyle of Kildare and Leighlin and Archbishop Murray of > Dublin in whose diocese the miracles were reported. Thanksgivings were > offered in the churches, and at Ennis a high mass was celebrated. Reports > of the miraculous cures seemed to confirm the truth of the Pastorini > prophecies". > [ Note added by Michael Purcell 2012 - > According to the Michael Brophy research notes in the PPP the secret > society of "Captain Rock" were trying to convince the people that the > prophecies of Pastorini had special significance for Ireland. > Handbills were distributed by "The Rockites" stating that "all heretics ( > Protestants ) would be eliminated in Ireland "before the dawning of 1826" > as prophesied by "Signor Pastorini" > The date 25th December 1824 was believed to be the date the massacre of > the heretics would begin. > Among the PPP there are two warning notices, dated February > 1820, addressed to the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" ( naming nine > landlords including Benjamin Bunbury ) signed by "Captain Rock". > Born in 1771, Prince Alexander of Hohenloe was a member of the Bavarian > royal family, he was ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic Church and > became famous throughout Europe as a miracle worker. > He preformed many of his " miracles" by appointment, telling believers to > pray at a certain time on a certain date in order to have their affliction > cured. > Pastorini translated from Italian as "the little pastor" was sometimes > referred to by the authorities in Ireland as "the little bastard".] >

( sorry for posting this again but there was an error in the previous posting, mick ). In the recent post from Turtle Bunbury reference was made by Lord Norbury to "the miracle of Prince Hohenloe performed in the Queen's county". Donal McCartney in his book "The Dawning of Democracy : Ireland 1800 - 1870", ( page 101 ) writes;- " In the height of the fever about the prophecies of Pastorini, miracles were ascribed to Prince Hohenloe, a German priest who was visiting Ireland. The miracles ( one woman was said to have recovered her speech ) were publicised by Bishop Doyle of Kildare and Leighlin and Archbishop Murray of Dublin in whose diocese the miracles were reported. Thanksgivings were offered in the churches, and at Ennis a high mass was celebrated. Reports of the miraculous cures seemed to confirm the truth of the Pastorini prophecies". [ Note added by Michael Purcell 2012 - According to the Michael Brophy research notes in the PPP the secret society of "Captain Rock" were trying to convince the people that the prophecies of Pastorini had special significance for Ireland. Handbills were distributed by "The Rockites" stating that "all heretics ( Protestants ) would be eliminated in Ireland "before the dawning of 1826" as prophesied by "Signor Pastorini" The date 25th December 1824 was believed to be the date the massacre of the heretics would begin. Among the PPP there are two warning notices, dated February 1820, addressed to the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" ( naming nine landlords including Benjamin Bunbury ) signed by "Captain Rock". Born in 1771, Prince Alexander of Hohenloe was a member of the Bavarian royal family, he was ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic Church and became famous throughout Europe as a miracle worker. He preformed many of his " miracles" by appointment, telling believers to pray at a certain time on a certain date in order to have their affliction cured. Pastorini translated from Italian as "the little pastor" was sometimes referred to by the authorities in Ireland as "the little bastard".]

should read : - "Among the PPP there are two warning notices, dated February 1820, addressed to the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" ( naming nine landlords including Benjamin Bunbury ) signed by "Captain Rock". On 25 June 2012 20:38, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > > In the recent post from Turtle Bunbury reference was made by Lord Norbury > to "the miracle of Prince Hohenloe performed in the Queen's county". > Donal McCartney in his book "The Dawning of Democracy : Ireland 1800 - > 1870", ( page 101 ) writes;- > " In the height of the fever about the prophecies of Pastorini,miracles > were ascribed to Prince Hohenloe, a German priest who was visiting Ireland. > The miracles ( one woman was said to have recovered her speech ) were > publicised by Bishop Doyle of Kildare and Leighlin and Archbishop Murray of > Dublin in whose diocese the miracles were reported. Thanksgivings were > offered in the churches, and at Ennis a high mass was celebrated. Reports > of the miraculous cures seemed to confirm the truth of the Pastorini > prophecies". > According to the Michael Brophy research notes in the PPP the secret > society of "Captain Rock" were trying to convince the people that the > prophecies of Pastorini had special significance for Ireland. > Handbills were distributed by "The Rockites" stating that "all heretics ( > Protestants ) would be eliminated in Ireland "before the dawning of 1826" > as prophesied by "Signor Pastorini" > The date 25th December 1824 was believed to be the date the massacre of > the heretics would begin. > Among the PPP there are two warning notices addressed to the "Heretic > Landlords of Carlow" ( naming nine landlords including Benjamin > Bunbury ) signed by "Captain Rock". > Born in 1771, Prince Alexander of Hohenloe was a member of the Bavarian > royal family, he was ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic Church and > became famous throughout Europe as a miracle worker. > He preformed many of his " miracles" by appointment, telling believers to > pray at a certain time on a certain date in order to have their affliction > cured. > [ Note added 2012 - Pastorini translated from Italian as "little > pastor" was sometimes referred to by the authorities in Ireland as "the > little bastard".] > > > > > > On 21 June 2012 12:32, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The Hanging Judge, Lord Norbury, claimed some of the credit for breaking >> up the Moll Doyles as we learn from a recent posting from Turtle Bunbury - - >> The Times, July 28, 1823, p. 2: >> LORD NORBURY AND THE IRISH MIRACLE.- >> At the opening of the Queen's County Assizes, Lord Norbury, in charging >> the Grand Jury, alluded to the recent miracle of Prince Hohenloe performed >> in that county. >> " If," said his Lordship, " a female has been brought to the recovery of >> her speech in this county, God be praised but as great a miracle has been >> performed in another county (Carlow), where Moll Doyle has been made >> perfectly silent !" (Shouts of laughter.). >> He was glad to see even the humblest men in the community laugh when he >> talked of " the miracle!" >> >> On 21 June 2012 12:10, ron medulison <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Thank you Lisa, very interesting, when did the Moll Doyles disband ?. >>> >>> >>> > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:37:51 +0100 >>> > From: [email protected] >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1820, McGrath+Bryan, Neill, Barron, Holmes (Moll >>> Doyles).Dillon >>> > >>> > [ Note added 2012 . There is reference to "huzza for Moll Doyle" in the >>> > following report - obviously the McGrath family have upset some local >>> > members of this "Secret Society" -. which according to the " Dublin >>> Evening >>> > Post" members of the Moll Doyles were considered to be "burglars, >>> robbers >>> > and murderers but not rebels" >>> > The "Moll Doyles" were one of the many secret societies operating >>> during >>> > this period. >>> > They were feared by most of the population. >>> > In Donal McCartney's book "The Dawning of Democracy 1800 - 1870" (page >>> 93) >>> > we read for the period 1821 : >>> > "A group calling itself the "Moll Doyles" was appearing in arms in >>> > Rathvilly, Co. Carlow, and attacking the houses of tenants who had >>> offended >>> > against their agrarian code. A gang of thirty or forty had burned a >>> house >>> > in King's County, shot a man, driven a bayonet in the eye of a woman >>> and >>> > tried to cut out her tongue - she died the next day from her injuries >>> and >>> > her mother died a few days later from shock. ". >>> > Transcribed and checked by Lisa Shaw, June 2012. >>> > Pat Purcell Papers. >>> > 1820. >>> > The King against John Neill, Pat Neill, Philip Neill, Philip Barron, >>> James >>> > Bryan, and Robert Holmes. (Spring Assizes 1820.) >>> > The Information of Anne McGrath of Drumphea in Carlow, Spinster. >>> > Who being duly sworn and examined saith that between the hours of two >>> and >>> > three o'clock on Sunday morning, last, the 20th February 1820, the >>> dwelling >>> > house of her father / John McGrath / at Drumphea was attacked by a >>> pary of >>> > men who commenced by forcing the stones out of the lower gable end >>> wall. >>> > Anne McGrath got up out of bed, went to the kitchen and lit a candle ; >>> > shortly afterwards a break was made in the house and John Neill and >>> Patrick >>> > Neill sons of Michael Neill. >>> > Philip Neill son to the widow Neill, Philip Barron, James Bryan and >>> > Robert Holmes all of Drumphea, entered the house and approached to >>> where >>> > Anne McGrath stood ; >>> > Philip Neill and James Bryan with hand pikes and Philip Barron with an >>> iron >>> > crow bar ; >>> > Anne McGrath entreated of them to spare her and her mother's life / her >>> > father was away from home / and the answer she received was a general >>> huzza >>> > for Moll Doyle. >>> > They drove Anne back into the bed room by throwing stones and a ribbing >>> > which had formed part of the roof of the house, at her ; where she took >>> > shelter under the bed, bringing with her a child that her mother had >>> been >>> > nursing for her ; >>> > and her mother sought protection in a cupboard in the wall of the room >>> , >>> > the attacking party then proceeded from the outside of the house to >>> throw >>> > in the adjoining gable end wall and cast the stones of five feet of the >>> > upper part of it into the room, for the purpose as Anne McGrath >>> believes, >>> > of burying her and her mother under the ruins and when they considered >>> that >>> > they had sufficiently effected their object, the attacking party >>> departed [ >>> > page torn ] . >>> > Anne McGrath and her mother got permission to shelter themselves in the >>> > house of Patrick Doyle contiguous to their own house and early on >>> Monday >>> > morning when Anne McGrath got up she saw the dwelling house she had >>> been >>> > obliged to desert, in flames nearly consumed which must have been >>> > maliciously set on fire as she had on the evening before carefully >>> removed >>> > from it every vestige of fire ~~ (signed) Ann McGrath. >>> > Sworn before me this 22nd February 1820 (signed) Frances Dillon.. >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >

In the recent post from Turtle Bunbury reference was made by Lord Norbury to "the miracle of Prince Hohenloe performed in the Queen's county". Donal McCartney in his book "The Dawning of Democracy : Ireland 1800 - 1870", ( page 101 ) writes;- " In the height of the fever about the prophecies of Pastorini,miracles were ascribed to Prince Hohenloe, a German priest who was visiting Ireland. The miracles ( one woman was said to have recovered her speech ) were publicised by Bishop Doyle of Kildare and Leighlin and Archbishop Murray of Dublin in whose diocese the miracles were reported. Thanksgivings were offered in the churches, and at Ennis a high mass was celebrated. Reports of the miraculous cures seemed to confirm the truth of the Pastorini prophecies". According to the Michael Brophy research notes in the PPP the secret society of "Captain Rock" were trying to convince the people that the prophecies of Pastorini had special significance for Ireland. Handbills were distributed by "The Rockites" stating that "all heretics ( Protestants ) would be eliminated in Ireland "before the dawning of 1826" as prophesied by "Signor Pastorini" The date 25th December 1824 was believed to be the date the massacre of the heretics would begin. Among the PPP there are two warning notices addressed to the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" ( naming nine landlords including Benjamin Bunbury ) signed by "Captain Rock". Born in 1771, Prince Alexander of Hohenloe was a member of the Bavarian royal family, he was ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic Church and became famous throughout Europe as a miracle worker. He preformed many of his " miracles" by appointment, telling believers to pray at a certain time on a certain date in order to have their affliction cured. [ Note added 2012 - Pastorini translated from Italian as "little pastor" was sometimes referred to by the authorities in Ireland as "the little bastard".] On 21 June 2012 12:32, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > The Hanging Judge, Lord Norbury, claimed some of the credit for breaking > up the Moll Doyles as we learn from a recent posting from Turtle Bunbury - - > The Times, July 28, 1823, p. 2: > LORD NORBURY AND THE IRISH MIRACLE.- > At the opening of the Queen's County Assizes, Lord Norbury, in charging > the Grand Jury, alluded to the recent miracle of Prince Hohenloe performed > in that county. > " If," said his Lordship, " a female has been brought to the recovery of > her speech in this county, God be praised but as great a miracle has been > performed in another county (Carlow), where Moll Doyle has been made > perfectly silent !" (Shouts of laughter.). > He was glad to see even the humblest men in the community laugh when he > talked of " the miracle!" > > On 21 June 2012 12:10, ron medulison <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Thank you Lisa, very interesting, when did the Moll Doyles disband ?. >> >> >> > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:37:51 +0100 >> > From: [email protected] >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1820, McGrath+Bryan, Neill, Barron, Holmes (Moll >> Doyles).Dillon >> > >> > [ Note added 2012 . There is reference to "huzza for Moll Doyle" in the >> > following report - obviously the McGrath family have upset some local >> > members of this "Secret Society" -. which according to the " Dublin >> Evening >> > Post" members of the Moll Doyles were considered to be "burglars, >> robbers >> > and murderers but not rebels" >> > The "Moll Doyles" were one of the many secret societies operating during >> > this period. >> > They were feared by most of the population. >> > In Donal McCartney's book "The Dawning of Democracy 1800 - 1870" (page >> 93) >> > we read for the period 1821 : >> > "A group calling itself the "Moll Doyles" was appearing in arms in >> > Rathvilly, Co. Carlow, and attacking the houses of tenants who had >> offended >> > against their agrarian code. A gang of thirty or forty had burned a >> house >> > in King's County, shot a man, driven a bayonet in the eye of a woman and >> > tried to cut out her tongue - she died the next day from her injuries >> and >> > her mother died a few days later from shock. ". >> > Transcribed and checked by Lisa Shaw, June 2012. >> > Pat Purcell Papers. >> > 1820. >> > The King against John Neill, Pat Neill, Philip Neill, Philip Barron, >> James >> > Bryan, and Robert Holmes. (Spring Assizes 1820.) >> > The Information of Anne McGrath of Drumphea in Carlow, Spinster. >> > Who being duly sworn and examined saith that between the hours of two >> and >> > three o'clock on Sunday morning, last, the 20th February 1820, the >> dwelling >> > house of her father / John McGrath / at Drumphea was attacked by a pary >> of >> > men who commenced by forcing the stones out of the lower gable end wall. >> > Anne McGrath got up out of bed, went to the kitchen and lit a candle ; >> > shortly afterwards a break was made in the house and John Neill and >> Patrick >> > Neill sons of Michael Neill. >> > Philip Neill son to the widow Neill, Philip Barron, James Bryan and >> > Robert Holmes all of Drumphea, entered the house and approached to where >> > Anne McGrath stood ; >> > Philip Neill and James Bryan with hand pikes and Philip Barron with an >> iron >> > crow bar ; >> > Anne McGrath entreated of them to spare her and her mother's life / her >> > father was away from home / and the answer she received was a general >> huzza >> > for Moll Doyle. >> > They drove Anne back into the bed room by throwing stones and a ribbing >> > which had formed part of the roof of the house, at her ; where she took >> > shelter under the bed, bringing with her a child that her mother had >> been >> > nursing for her ; >> > and her mother sought protection in a cupboard in the wall of the room , >> > the attacking party then proceeded from the outside of the house to >> throw >> > in the adjoining gable end wall and cast the stones of five feet of the >> > upper part of it into the room, for the purpose as Anne McGrath >> believes, >> > of burying her and her mother under the ruins and when they considered >> that >> > they had sufficiently effected their object, the attacking party >> departed [ >> > page torn ] . >> > Anne McGrath and her mother got permission to shelter themselves in the >> > house of Patrick Doyle contiguous to their own house and early on Monday >> > morning when Anne McGrath got up she saw the dwelling house she had been >> > obliged to desert, in flames nearly consumed which must have been >> > maliciously set on fire as she had on the evening before carefully >> removed >> > from it every vestige of fire ~~ (signed) Ann McGrath. >> > Sworn before me this 22nd February 1820 (signed) Frances Dillon.. >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

did you try Grange cemetery, old carlow on the barrow track, killeshin. there are at least 3 families of kings in carlow, one from st. fiac's terrace in graiguecullen, (where sleaty street is) one from st. killian's cresent in carlow town and one that owned a pub in tullow street in the town. hope this helps. anna ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 24 June, 2012 4:16:12 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] KING Family Well, this would probably have been the next generation down. I estimate she was born about 1860, and emigrated to the States in the mid 1880's. The name is uncommon (as is Ring) and that is why I thought there might be a connection. I am not near my ancestry info at the moment, so I am not sure of her parents names..........I may not have them since she would have been related by marriage to my husband's grandfather. But if it is the same one, she outlived everyone (died in 1949) raised her children almost alone as her husband died around 1912, and took in the children of her brother in law as he died, too. A strong Irish woman. I may even have a picture of her........have the picture (fuzzy), not sure it is her, but believe it to be. In a message dated 6/23/2012 10:22:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Dee, I'm not sure...the names I have are John King and James King, brothers of Agnes. Not sure if there were other siblings. The family stayed in Ireland. Cheers, Maribeth ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] KING Family Maribeth, Was there a Catherine King among your relatives? This is a name I don't see often on this site. Katherine/Catherine King married Michael Ring in the US, but I think both were from around the St. Mullins area. Dee In a message dated 6/23/2012 4:00:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi All, I’m wondering if anyone has any ideas as to where I can find the burial place of my King ancestors. John King married Bridget Timmins (in 1839) and had several children, including my GGmother, Agnes, who married Thomas Nolan of Rathvilly and is buried in Grange cemetery. The Kings lived on Sleaty Street and Maryborough Street in Graigue in at least the 1840s an on, but I can’t find where they are buried. Any ideas are appreciated. Cheers, Maribeth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Anna!

Hi Anna, I'm not familiar with the Grange cemetery you mention...only one I know is St. John in the Grange near Killerig cross...that's where my Nolan family are buried (including Agnes King Nolan). Where is Barrow Track Killeshin? ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] KING Family did you try Grange cemetery, old carlow on the barrow track, killeshin. there are at least 3 families of kings in carlow, one from st. fiac's terrace in graiguecullen, (where sleaty street is) one from st. killian's cresent in carlow town and one that owned a pub in tullow street in the town. hope this helps. anna ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 24 June, 2012 4:16:12 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] KING Family Well, this would probably have been the next generation down. I estimate she was born about 1860, and emigrated to the States in the mid 1880's. The name is uncommon (as is Ring) and that is why I thought there might be a connection. I am not near my ancestry info at the moment, so I am not sure of her parents names..........I may not have them since she would have been related by marriage to my husband's grandfather. But if it is the same one, she outlived everyone (died in 1949) raised her children almost alone as her husband died around 1912, and took in the children of her brother in law as he died, too. A strong Irish woman. I may even have a picture of her........have the picture (fuzzy), not sure it is her, but believe it to be. In a message dated 6/23/2012 10:22:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Dee, I'm not sure...the names I have are John King and James King, brothers of Agnes. Not sure if there were other siblings. The family stayed in Ireland. Cheers, Maribeth ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] KING Family Maribeth, Was there a Catherine King among your relatives? This is a name I don't see often on this site. Katherine/Catherine King married Michael Ring in the US, but I think both were from around the St. Mullins area. Dee In a message dated 6/23/2012 4:00:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi All, I’m wondering if anyone has any ideas as to where I can find the burial place of my King ancestors. John King married Bridget Timmins (in 1839) and had several children, including my GGmother, Agnes, who married Thomas Nolan of Rathvilly and is buried in Grange cemetery. The Kings lived on Sleaty Street and Maryborough Street in Graigue in at least the 1840s an on, but I can’t find where they are buried. Any ideas are appreciated. Cheers, Maribeth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Anna! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Dee...if they emigrated in the 1880s, then it would have been a relation of my direct John King, since I believe he and his family stayed in Ireland, but who knows? Thank you for replying...you never know what you may uncover! Maribeth -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 11:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] KING Family Well, this would probably have been the next generation down. I estimate she was born about 1860, and emigrated to the States in the mid 1880's. The name is uncommon (as is Ring) and that is why I thought there might be a connection. I am not near my ancestry info at the moment, so I am not sure of her parents names..........I may not have them since she would have been related by marriage to my husband's grandfather. But if it is the same one, she outlived everyone (died in 1949) raised her children almost alone as her husband died around 1912, and took in the children of her brother in law as he died, too. A strong Irish woman. I may even have a picture of her........have the picture (fuzzy), not sure it is her, but believe it to be. In a message dated 6/23/2012 10:22:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Dee, I'm not sure...the names I have are John King and James King, brothers of Agnes. Not sure if there were other siblings. The family stayed in Ireland. Cheers, Maribeth ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] KING Family Maribeth, Was there a Catherine King among your relatives? This is a name I don't see often on this site. Katherine/Catherine King married Michael Ring in the US, but I think both were from around the St. Mullins area. Dee In a message dated 6/23/2012 4:00:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi All, I’m wondering if anyone has any ideas as to where I can find the burial place of my King ancestors. John King married Bridget Timmins (in 1839) and had several children, including my GGmother, Agnes, who married Thomas Nolan of Rathvilly and is buried in Grange cemetery. The Kings lived on Sleaty Street and Maryborough Street in Graigue in at least the 1840s an on, but I can’t find where they are buried. Any ideas are appreciated. Cheers, Maribeth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alright then...I'll get on it straight away. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Brennan Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Tullowphelim, Co. Carlow, 1825 Maribeth Yes please we would be very grateful if you could undertake the task of transcribing the page for us. It would be much appreciated. Regards Michael Brennan http://www.facebook.com/michael.brennan.3152 County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm From: "Maribeth E. Nolan" <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Does this still need transcribing? I just came across this note requesting a transcription....if it hasn?t been done yet, I can do the work. Please confirm...thank you. Maribeth http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Tullowphelim_1825.htm ------------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maribeth Yes please we would be very grateful if you could undertake the task of transcribing the page for us. It would be much appreciated. Regards Michael Brennan http://www.facebook.com/michael.brennan.3152 County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm From: "Maribeth E. Nolan" <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Does this still need transcribing? I just came across this note requesting a transcription....if it hasn?t been done yet, I can do the work. Please confirm...thank you. Maribeth http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Tullowphelim_1825.htm ------------------------------

Well, this would probably have been the next generation down. I estimate she was born about 1860, and emigrated to the States in the mid 1880's. The name is uncommon (as is Ring) and that is why I thought there might be a connection. I am not near my ancestry info at the moment, so I am not sure of her parents names..........I may not have them since she would have been related by marriage to my husband's grandfather. But if it is the same one, she outlived everyone (died in 1949) raised her children almost alone as her husband died around 1912, and took in the children of her brother in law as he died, too. A strong Irish woman. I may even have a picture of her........have the picture (fuzzy), not sure it is her, but believe it to be. In a message dated 6/23/2012 10:22:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Dee, I'm not sure...the names I have are John King and James King, brothers of Agnes. Not sure if there were other siblings. The family stayed in Ireland. Cheers, Maribeth ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] KING Family Maribeth, Was there a Catherine King among your relatives? This is a name I don't see often on this site. Katherine/Catherine King married Michael Ring in the US, but I think both were from around the St. Mullins area. Dee In a message dated 6/23/2012 4:00:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi All, I’m wondering if anyone has any ideas as to where I can find the burial place of my King ancestors. John King married Bridget Timmins (in 1839) and had several children, including my GGmother, Agnes, who married Thomas Nolan of Rathvilly and is buried in Grange cemetery. The Kings lived on Sleaty Street and Maryborough Street in Graigue in at least the 1840s an on, but I can’t find where they are buried. Any ideas are appreciated. Cheers, Maribeth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dee, I'm not sure...the names I have are John King and James King, brothers of Agnes. Not sure if there were other siblings. The family stayed in Ireland. Cheers, Maribeth ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] KING Family Maribeth, Was there a Catherine King among your relatives? This is a name I don't see often on this site. Katherine/Catherine King married Michael Ring in the US, but I think both were from around the St. Mullins area. Dee In a message dated 6/23/2012 4:00:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi All, I’m wondering if anyone has any ideas as to where I can find the burial place of my King ancestors. John King married Bridget Timmins (in 1839) and had several children, including my GGmother, Agnes, who married Thomas Nolan of Rathvilly and is buried in Grange cemetery. The Kings lived on Sleaty Street and Maryborough Street in Graigue in at least the 1840s an on, but I can’t find where they are buried. Any ideas are appreciated. Cheers, Maribeth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maribeth, Was there a Catherine King among your relatives? This is a name I don't see often on this site. Katherine/Catherine King married Michael Ring in the US, but I think both were from around the St. Mullins area. Dee In a message dated 6/23/2012 4:00:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi All, I’m wondering if anyone has any ideas as to where I can find the burial place of my King ancestors. John King married Bridget Timmins (in 1839) and had several children, including my GGmother, Agnes, who married Thomas Nolan of Rathvilly and is buried in Grange cemetery. The Kings lived on Sleaty Street and Maryborough Street in Graigue in at least the 1840s an on, but I can’t find where they are buried. Any ideas are appreciated. Cheers, Maribeth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just came across this note requesting a transcription....if it hasn’t been done yet, I can do the work. Please confirm...thank you. Maribeth http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Tullowphelim_1825.htm

Hi All, I’m wondering if anyone has any ideas as to where I can find the burial place of my King ancestors. John King married Bridget Timmins (in 1839) and had several children, including my GGmother, Agnes, who married Thomas Nolan of Rathvilly and is buried in Grange cemetery. The Kings lived on Sleaty Street and Maryborough Street in Graigue in at least the 1840s an on, but I can’t find where they are buried. Any ideas are appreciated. Cheers, Maribeth

I have just added another person to the long list of Carlow People: John Hood was born in 1720 at Moyle, co. Carlow. In 1772 was published in Dublin his 'Tables of Difference of Latitude and Departure for Navigators, Land Surveyors, &c.," in which he recommends that in surveying the bearing of objects should be taken from the meridian of the place. The tables printed in the book are the natural sines of all the angles, in degrees and quarter degrees, to different radii, the latter ranging from 1 to 100, as being best adapted to Gunter's chain. Hood also gives an account of the diurnal variation of the magnetic needle and its correction, and a description of a new surveying instrument. This invention is elsewhere called Hood's compass theodolite, and is described as the basis of the theodolite now used in England and America. He is also said to have anticipated the invention of Hadley's quadrant, but took out no patents. He died about 1783. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/John_Hood.htm Source: From Wikipedia Regards Michael Brennan http://www.facebook.com/michael.brennan.3152 County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm

Some great new images and info have been added to the Irish National Foresters page on the Carlow IGP website. These images were obtained by Gary Heary from the Carlow Military Museum and very kindly has allowed us to display them on our website page. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Irish_National_Foresters.htm Gary Heary also has a new book coming out soon called "Blood On The Ground: Rebellion, Warfare & Unrest In Carlow;" Regards Michael Brennan http://www.facebook.com/michael.brennan.3152 County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm