Hi Linda, Did you check the Headstone section of the Carlow website? I seem to recall there being a Lennon or two there. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Linda Shipman Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 1:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Where Can I look? Hmm...I'll do it. Thanks!! -----Original Message----- From: frances heidel Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Where Can I look? If you look up Lemon, you'll see derivatives of the name e.g. Lennon. My maiden name, Devine, is also Devinney, Devlin etc etc ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The reason I thought of Lennon is because my gggrandfather was John Lennon....Co Carlow.

the first visit I would do is to the horse riding stables in carrigbeg outside bagnalstown on the fenagh road...........owned by the burgess family! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Turtle Bunbury (History)" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 22 August, 2012 10:51:53 AM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Cathal Brugha / Burgess - Carlow Origins? I met a man last night at the launch of 'The Sugar Factory & Carlow Remembers' exhibition who is curious to know more about the Carlow roots of Cathal Brugha (1874–1922), the revolutionary and Minister of Defence who was killed during the Civil War. Cathal Brugha was born Charles William St John Burgess 18 July 1874 at 13 Richmond Avenue, Fairview, Dublin. He was the tenth of fourteen children (four sons and ten daughters) born to Thomas Burgess (d. 1899), art dealer and native of Carlow, and Maryanne Burgess (née Flynn). Thomas Burgess was a Protestant but his wife was a Catholic, and the children were raised as Catholics. (Some accounts say he was disinherited for marrying a Catholic). Thomas Burgess was also a fervent Parnellite and may have been a Fenian. (Source: James Quinn, ‘Brugha, Cathal’, Dictionary of Irish Biography (Cambridge University Press, 2009), vol 1, pp 951–954.) Given that Maryanne Burgess was previously Flynn, I believe I have located her on the 1901 census as a 57 year old widow who is resident of Ardilaun Terrace, Dublin, along with four daughters and two sons, including Charles (aka Cathal) who is described as a 24 year old commercial traveler. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rotunda/Ardilaun_Terrace/1330115/ Anyone with any further clues? All best for now, Turtle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Anna!

Yes, I did.....I haven't found anything that leads me to my particular Lennons. But, I am not giving up! Just recently found an ancestor on my Dad's side after decades of looking....so I know I'll find my Lennon too....if I live long enough. :-) -----Original Message----- From: Maribeth Nolan Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Where Can I look? Hi Linda, Did you check the Headstone section of the Carlow website? I seem to recall there being a Lennon or two there. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Linda Shipman Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 1:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Where Can I look? Hmm...I'll do it. Thanks!! -----Original Message----- From: frances heidel Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Where Can I look? If you look up Lemon, you'll see derivatives of the name e.g. Lennon. My maiden name, Devine, is also Devinney, Devlin etc etc ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hmm...I'll do it. Thanks!! -----Original Message----- From: frances heidel Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Where Can I look? If you look up Lemon, you'll see derivatives of the name e.g. Lennon. My maiden name, Devine, is also Devinney, Devlin etc etc ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

.Thank you Frances. I did look up Lennons and found a couple of John's but neither was married to Elilzabeth or Liza Adams. Found an Elizabeth Lennon but her husband's name was William. Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "frances heidel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Where Can I look? > If you look up Lemon, you'll see derivatives of the name e.g. Lennon. My > maiden name, Devine, is also Devinney, Devlin etc etc > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you look up Lemon, you'll see derivatives of the name e.g. Lennon. My maiden name, Devine, is also Devinney, Devlin etc etc

My great gr. grandmother ELIZABETH (ELIZA) ADAMS ( born abt.1800-1805) married JOHN LEMON (jeweler) on December 23rd 1826 in the Parish of Ossery, Fern & Leiglin) (CW-CI-MA 1561 pg. 133) I know that John had a shop in Carlow as well as in Dublin at one time or another, and both of their children were born in Carlow. BUT.....I can find no record of their deaths in the BMD's and I have searched every graveyard that has been listed on the Dublin & Carlow sites but cannot find any information on either of them. Can anyone suggest where else I may search via internet as I cannot make the trip over there. Thank you Mchelle Wilson - Vermont USA

Hello Mary, I have traces of a Dunne family in Rathvilly (Co. Carlow), as one married into my Germaine family, and some descendants are buried in the Rathvilly graveyard. To be precise, William Dunne of Rathmore (d. 1900) m. in 1881 Elizabeth Germaine, daughter of Patrick Germaine, farmer of Lisnevagh. They had at least one son Bernard who m. Mary (unknown) and d. 1973. They in turn had Bernard who d. 1983, and Patrick who m. Mary Anne (unknown). My information is from Mary Anne who wrote to me in 1989. Unfortunately the Rathvilly gravestones are now very worn and hard to read, so not much joy there. Mary Anne is likely not around any more, but her letter was headed "Rathmore, Tullow, Co. Carlow", so it might be worthwhile following up on any Dunnes still living there. I presume you've looked at Family Search's Historical Collection for Ireland, you never know what you might find there. There are also earlier Dunnes in Ballyburn in Kildare, not too far away. Patrick Dunne of Ballyburn married 1799 a Margaret Germaine dau. of Thomas, and had (at least) James, Patrick, Michael and Mary. In generational terms, your Joseph could be a child of one of these. Good luck with your search. Kaye Cole ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:59 AM Subject: [!! SPAM] IRL-CARLOW Digest, Vol 7, Issue 385 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, 16 August, 2012 11:02:54 AM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] seeking help > > Hello, > > Your e-mail address has been given to me by Turtle Bunbury - he thinks you > may be able to help me . In doing my family history I have established > that > my great grandmother came from Rathvilly Co. Carlow. I have this > information from the 1901 census. Her maiden name was Catherine Byrne > and > she became the wife of my great grandfather, Joseph Dunne. He was a school > teacher in Aughnahila and died in 1876 at the age of 47. > > In 1901 census she was a widow, a retired teacher, living with her > unmarried daughter Annie in Aughnahily, Kilcolmanbane, Co. Laois. > Catherine died in 1905, in Aughnahila but again, cemetery records are not > good but I presume she is buried in the Heath with Joseph. > > > > Joseph and Catherine had 6 (or 7 ) children namely: > > 1853 - Annie born Rathvilly Co. Wicklow(?) - as per 1901 census. > > 1856 - Mary born Portlaoise Co. Laois > > 1858 - John born Portlaoise > > 1861 - Joseph born Portlaoise > > 1864 - Michael born Portlaoise (my grandfather) > > 1866 - Thomas born Portlaoise > > 1870 - Gregory born Portlaoise > > In my search in the National Library archives of Rathvilly I also found a > Catherine born 1853 but I have been unable to establish if Annie and > Catherine were twins or if that child was Catherine Anne (known as Annie). > Annie lived to old age, with her brother Joseph and family in Kildare > town. > > > > I have found a Catherine Byrne born 1825 in Rathvilly to Gregory Byrne and > Catherine Hanrick. I cannot prove that these are Catherine's parents but > with the unusual name Gregory I am taking a leap of faith assuming they > are > the correct family and that I have the right Catherine Byrne. > > My problem is this: > > I cannot find any marriage certificate for Joseph Dunne and Catherine > Byrne. > As their first child was born in Rathvilly (but I have noted the different > counties on the 1901 census) it would appear natural that they were living > there and perhaps married there. Then again I wonder did they meet there > as > teachers but I also have no idea where Joseph came from. We also assumed > the Dunnes were from Laois but I have done a lot of research into the > Laois > archives, with no success in finding a Joseph born c 1830. Would he have > been from Rathvilly? As there are no Carlow records on-line I have been > unable to research this. > > > > Turtle suggested I give you all the details I have and that you may be > able > to help me with a marriage certificate for Joseph and Catherine. That > would > confirm her father's name and his father's name for me - then perhaps I > would have more success in tracing Joseph's line - if you cannot help with > a > birth/baptismal certificate. > > > > I would appreciate any help you can give me and I would be quite happy to > travel to Rathvilly/Carlow or wherever the records are available to be > accessed. I find trying to read the films in the National Library very > difficult. > > Thanking you in advance, > > Mary Wall > > > > [email protected] > >

Transcribed by Selina Lawlor. Pat Purcell Papers. 1847. The Information of Thomas Hegarty of the City of Dublin who came this day before me M.E. White - Esquire, one of his Majestys Justices of the Peace in and for Carlow and being duly sworn saith that on the night of Friday the 24th September or early the following morning a Gold Watch with a chain of Black Ribbon - about One Sterling Pound in Gold and Sliver - a Razor, Lathering Brush - Tooth Brush and one or two Silk Handkerchiefs my property were stolen out of my apartment at Carpenter's Hotel, Carlow by some person or persons at present unknown to me. (signed) Thomas Hegarty. Sworn before me at Carlow this 26th day of September 1847. (signed) M.E. White- Justice of the Peace. [ note added by White ] Lar Ryan otherwise Luggy Ryan otherwise Peg Leg Ryan was seen to have a Gold Watch in his possession outside the Popish chapel on this Sunday morning and offered same to James Grimes for sale. James Grimes is willing to swear Information in order that Mister Hegarty may have justice done to him and be restored his stolen goods. I have instructed Constable James Foley to apprehend Lar Ryan otherwise Luggy Ryan otherwise Peg Leg Ryan and place him in Custody in Carlow Jail.

that is good Turtle, and should there be a fee charged or payment made for data obtained from willing members or from the site in general for research or publication fees I suggest it could be passed to Michael Brennan to help maintain CarlowIGP. Recently some of us were in a position to help Michael update his system thus ensuring the continuation of the CarlowIGP service. I know that this assistance was very much appreciated. I only mention this because I am aware that some self appointed "genealogists" have sought assistance on CarlowIGP and other county sites claiming they are helping "a friend" "a man" "a woman" "a neighbour" and have charged a hefty fee for information freely shared. I would always ask the internetless / non-emailing enquirer if they would permit me to publish their address for any responses, they are usually only too willing to cooperate. Your Carlow Sentinel extracts.were very interesting, I hope you have some more in store for us, mick. On 22 August 2012 15:57, Turtle Bunbury <[email protected]> wrote: > I hear you Michael. I don't think the man who asked me uses email so I > said I would ask on his behalf. There is no money changing hands on this or > any other enquiry I make to Carlow Rootsweb. If ever there is, I will be > sure to say so. All the best for now, Turtle > > > On 22 Aug 2012, at 15:06, michael purcell wrote: > > > I know I have stated this before but I have found that it is always > best > > practice to invite people with enquiries to subscribe to Carlow IGP > > themselves, rather than have information passed through a third party. > > I believe in this instance this may not apply to you Turtle but it would > > cut out the concern that another may be charging a fee for information > > shared freely on the List. > > I have been made aware of such previous enquiries on the CarlowIGP (and > > lately on other county internet sites ) on behalf of "a friend" and the > > "friend" was charged a hefty fee for information obtained as a result of > > such postings. > > > > > > On 22 August 2012 10:51, Turtle Bunbury (History) > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> I met a man last night at the launch of 'The Sugar Factory & Carlow > >> Remembers' exhibition who is curious to know more about the Carlow > roots of > >> Cathal Brugha (1874–1922), the revolutionary and Minister of Defence who > >> was killed during the Civil War. > >> > >> Cathal Brugha was born Charles William St John Burgess 18 July 1874 at > 13 > >> Richmond Avenue, Fairview, Dublin. He was the tenth of fourteen children > >> (four sons and ten daughters) born to Thomas Burgess (d. 1899), art > dealer > >> and native of Carlow, and Maryanne Burgess (née Flynn). Thomas Burgess > was > >> a Protestant but his wife was a Catholic, and the children were raised > as > >> Catholics. (Some accounts say he was disinherited for marrying a > Catholic). > >> Thomas Burgess was also a fervent Parnellite and may have been a Fenian. > >> (Source: James Quinn, ‘Brugha, Cathal’, Dictionary of Irish Biography > >> (Cambridge University Press, 2009), vol 1, pp 951–954.) > >> > >> Given that Maryanne Burgess was previously Flynn, I believe I have > located > >> her on the 1901 census as a 57 year old widow who is resident of > Ardilaun > >> Terrace, Dublin, along with four daughters and two sons, including > Charles > >> (aka Cathal) who is described as a 24 year old commercial traveler. > >> > http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rotunda/Ardilaun_Terrace/1330115/ > >> > >> Anyone with any further clues? > >> > >> All best for now, > >> > >> Turtle > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Brendan, Worry not. I was not suggesting that you in particular could help Mary but that the Carlow Rootsweb mailing list in general might be able to do. All the best, Turtle Turtle Bunbury

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 Mob: + 353 (0) 87 6453 486 Office: +353 (0) 5991 80559 Skype: turtle1847 www.facebook.com/turtle.bunbury On 22 Aug 2012, at 13:30, [email protected] wrote: > Hello Mary, I have examined all my records for Rathvilly and County Carlow and can find nothing that has a connection to the information that you have supplied. I'm at a loss as to why Turtle would suggest that I could help, perhaps he gave you the wrong email address? > Regards, > Brendan. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, 16 August, 2012 11:02:54 AM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] seeking help > > Hello, > > Your e-mail address has been given to me by Turtle Bunbury - he thinks you > may be able to help me . In doing my family history I have established that > my great grandmother came from Rathvilly Co. Carlow. I have this > information from the 1901 census. Her maiden name was Catherine Byrne and > she became the wife of my great grandfather, Joseph Dunne. He was a school > teacher in Aughnahila and died in 1876 at the age of 47. > > In 1901 census she was a widow, a retired teacher, living with her > unmarried daughter Annie in Aughnahily, Kilcolmanbane, Co. Laois. > Catherine died in 1905, in Aughnahila but again, cemetery records are not > good but I presume she is buried in the Heath with Joseph. > > > > Joseph and Catherine had 6 (or 7 ) children namely: > > 1853 - Annie born Rathvilly Co. Wicklow(?) - as per 1901 census. > > 1856 - Mary born Portlaoise Co. Laois > > 1858 - John born Portlaoise > > 1861 - Joseph born Portlaoise > > 1864 - Michael born Portlaoise (my grandfather) > > 1866 - Thomas born Portlaoise > > 1870 - Gregory born Portlaoise > > In my search in the National Library archives of Rathvilly I also found a > Catherine born 1853 but I have been unable to establish if Annie and > Catherine were twins or if that child was Catherine Anne (known as Annie). > Annie lived to old age, with her brother Joseph and family in Kildare town. > > > > I have found a Catherine Byrne born 1825 in Rathvilly to Gregory Byrne and > Catherine Hanrick. I cannot prove that these are Catherine's parents but > with the unusual name Gregory I am taking a leap of faith assuming they are > the correct family and that I have the right Catherine Byrne. > > My problem is this: > > I cannot find any marriage certificate for Joseph Dunne and Catherine Byrne. > As their first child was born in Rathvilly (but I have noted the different > counties on the 1901 census) it would appear natural that they were living > there and perhaps married there. Then again I wonder did they meet there as > teachers but I also have no idea where Joseph came from. We also assumed > the Dunnes were from Laois but I have done a lot of research into the Laois > archives, with no success in finding a Joseph born c 1830. Would he have > been from Rathvilly? As there are no Carlow records on-line I have been > unable to research this. > > > > Turtle suggested I give you all the details I have and that you may be able > to help me with a marriage certificate for Joseph and Catherine. That would > confirm her father's name and his father's name for me - then perhaps I > would have more success in tracing Joseph's line - if you cannot help with a > birth/baptismal certificate. > > > > I would appreciate any help you can give me and I would be quite happy to > travel to Rathvilly/Carlow or wherever the records are available to be > accessed. I find trying to read the films in the National Library very > difficult. > > Thanking you in advance, > > Mary Wall > > > > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hear you Michael. I don't think the man who asked me uses email so I said I would ask on his behalf. There is no money changing hands on this or any other enquiry I make to Carlow Rootsweb. If ever there is, I will be sure to say so. All the best for now, Turtle On 22 Aug 2012, at 15:06, michael purcell wrote: > I know I have stated this before but I have found that it is always best > practice to invite people with enquiries to subscribe to Carlow IGP > themselves, rather than have information passed through a third party. > I believe in this instance this may not apply to you Turtle but it would > cut out the concern that another may be charging a fee for information > shared freely on the List. > I have been made aware of such previous enquiries on the CarlowIGP (and > lately on other county internet sites ) on behalf of "a friend" and the > "friend" was charged a hefty fee for information obtained as a result of > such postings. > > > On 22 August 2012 10:51, Turtle Bunbury (History) > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I met a man last night at the launch of 'The Sugar Factory & Carlow >> Remembers' exhibition who is curious to know more about the Carlow roots of >> Cathal Brugha (1874–1922), the revolutionary and Minister of Defence who >> was killed during the Civil War. >> >> Cathal Brugha was born Charles William St John Burgess 18 July 1874 at 13 >> Richmond Avenue, Fairview, Dublin. He was the tenth of fourteen children >> (four sons and ten daughters) born to Thomas Burgess (d. 1899), art dealer >> and native of Carlow, and Maryanne Burgess (née Flynn). Thomas Burgess was >> a Protestant but his wife was a Catholic, and the children were raised as >> Catholics. (Some accounts say he was disinherited for marrying a Catholic). >> Thomas Burgess was also a fervent Parnellite and may have been a Fenian. >> (Source: James Quinn, ‘Brugha, Cathal’, Dictionary of Irish Biography >> (Cambridge University Press, 2009), vol 1, pp 951–954.) >> >> Given that Maryanne Burgess was previously Flynn, I believe I have located >> her on the 1901 census as a 57 year old widow who is resident of Ardilaun >> Terrace, Dublin, along with four daughters and two sons, including Charles >> (aka Cathal) who is described as a 24 year old commercial traveler. >> http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rotunda/Ardilaun_Terrace/1330115/ >> >> Anyone with any further clues? >> >> All best for now, >> >> Turtle >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know I have stated this before but I have found that it is always best practice to invite people with enquiries to subscribe to Carlow IGP themselves, rather than have information passed through a third party. I believe in this instance this may not apply to you Turtle but it would cut out the concern that another may be charging a fee for information shared freely on the List. I have been made aware of such previous enquiries on the CarlowIGP (and lately on other county internet sites ) on behalf of "a friend" and the "friend" was charged a hefty fee for information obtained as a result of such postings. On 22 August 2012 10:51, Turtle Bunbury (History) <[email protected]>wrote: > I met a man last night at the launch of 'The Sugar Factory & Carlow > Remembers' exhibition who is curious to know more about the Carlow roots of > Cathal Brugha (1874–1922), the revolutionary and Minister of Defence who > was killed during the Civil War. > > Cathal Brugha was born Charles William St John Burgess 18 July 1874 at 13 > Richmond Avenue, Fairview, Dublin. He was the tenth of fourteen children > (four sons and ten daughters) born to Thomas Burgess (d. 1899), art dealer > and native of Carlow, and Maryanne Burgess (née Flynn). Thomas Burgess was > a Protestant but his wife was a Catholic, and the children were raised as > Catholics. (Some accounts say he was disinherited for marrying a Catholic). > Thomas Burgess was also a fervent Parnellite and may have been a Fenian. > (Source: James Quinn, ‘Brugha, Cathal’, Dictionary of Irish Biography > (Cambridge University Press, 2009), vol 1, pp 951–954.) > > Given that Maryanne Burgess was previously Flynn, I believe I have located > her on the 1901 census as a 57 year old widow who is resident of Ardilaun > Terrace, Dublin, along with four daughters and two sons, including Charles > (aka Cathal) who is described as a 24 year old commercial traveler. > http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rotunda/Ardilaun_Terrace/1330115/ > > Anyone with any further clues? > > All best for now, > > Turtle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Mary, I have examined all my records for Rathvilly and County Carlow and can find nothing that has a connection to the information that you have supplied. I'm at a loss as to why Turtle would suggest that I could help, perhaps he gave you the wrong email address? Regards, Brendan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 16 August, 2012 11:02:54 AM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] seeking help Hello, Your e-mail address has been given to me by Turtle Bunbury - he thinks you may be able to help me . In doing my family history I have established that my great grandmother came from Rathvilly Co. Carlow. I have this information from the 1901 census. Her maiden name was Catherine Byrne and she became the wife of my great grandfather, Joseph Dunne. He was a school teacher in Aughnahila and died in 1876 at the age of 47. In 1901 census she was a widow, a retired teacher, living with her unmarried daughter Annie in Aughnahily, Kilcolmanbane, Co. Laois. Catherine died in 1905, in Aughnahila but again, cemetery records are not good but I presume she is buried in the Heath with Joseph. Joseph and Catherine had 6 (or 7 ) children namely: 1853 - Annie born Rathvilly Co. Wicklow(?) - as per 1901 census. 1856 - Mary born Portlaoise Co. Laois 1858 - John born Portlaoise 1861 - Joseph born Portlaoise 1864 - Michael born Portlaoise (my grandfather) 1866 - Thomas born Portlaoise 1870 - Gregory born Portlaoise In my search in the National Library archives of Rathvilly I also found a Catherine born 1853 but I have been unable to establish if Annie and Catherine were twins or if that child was Catherine Anne (known as Annie). Annie lived to old age, with her brother Joseph and family in Kildare town. I have found a Catherine Byrne born 1825 in Rathvilly to Gregory Byrne and Catherine Hanrick. I cannot prove that these are Catherine's parents but with the unusual name Gregory I am taking a leap of faith assuming they are the correct family and that I have the right Catherine Byrne. My problem is this: I cannot find any marriage certificate for Joseph Dunne and Catherine Byrne. As their first child was born in Rathvilly (but I have noted the different counties on the 1901 census) it would appear natural that they were living there and perhaps married there. Then again I wonder did they meet there as teachers but I also have no idea where Joseph came from. We also assumed the Dunnes were from Laois but I have done a lot of research into the Laois archives, with no success in finding a Joseph born c 1830. Would he have been from Rathvilly? As there are no Carlow records on-line I have been unable to research this. Turtle suggested I give you all the details I have and that you may be able to help me with a marriage certificate for Joseph and Catherine. That would confirm her father's name and his father's name for me - then perhaps I would have more success in tracing Joseph's line - if you cannot help with a birth/baptismal certificate. I would appreciate any help you can give me and I would be quite happy to travel to Rathvilly/Carlow or wherever the records are available to be accessed. I find trying to read the films in the National Library very difficult. Thanking you in advance, Mary Wall [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I also met a charming gentleman last night called Jack Stratton who is seeking information about the Purvis / Pervis / Perviz family who lived at Ballycrogue, Co. Carlow. if anyone has further clues, you can either email me or write directly to Jack c/o Rockdale, Kilmeany, Carlow. Cheerio for now, Turtle

I met a man last night at the launch of 'The Sugar Factory & Carlow Remembers' exhibition who is curious to know more about the Carlow roots of Cathal Brugha (1874–1922), the revolutionary and Minister of Defence who was killed during the Civil War. Cathal Brugha was born Charles William St John Burgess 18 July 1874 at 13 Richmond Avenue, Fairview, Dublin. He was the tenth of fourteen children (four sons and ten daughters) born to Thomas Burgess (d. 1899), art dealer and native of Carlow, and Maryanne Burgess (née Flynn). Thomas Burgess was a Protestant but his wife was a Catholic, and the children were raised as Catholics. (Some accounts say he was disinherited for marrying a Catholic). Thomas Burgess was also a fervent Parnellite and may have been a Fenian. (Source: James Quinn, ‘Brugha, Cathal’, Dictionary of Irish Biography (Cambridge University Press, 2009), vol 1, pp 951–954.) Given that Maryanne Burgess was previously Flynn, I believe I have located her on the 1901 census as a 57 year old widow who is resident of Ardilaun Terrace, Dublin, along with four daughters and two sons, including Charles (aka Cathal) who is described as a 24 year old commercial traveler. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rotunda/Ardilaun_Terrace/1330115/ Anyone with any further clues? All best for now, Turtle

Mick, great article on Nationalist, August 7, well done but surely it's time to drop the "local historian" moniker, what do you have to achieve for them to call you a "historian" ?. On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Michael Brennan <[email protected] > wrote: > The following article appeared in the Carlow Nationalist newspaper today > and > is well worth a read: > > "Polish war hero’s part in the struggle for Irish freedom" > http://www.carlow-nationalist.ie/tabId/369/itemId/190/News.aspx > > Regards > Michael Brennan > http://www.facebook.com/michael.brennan.3152 > County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ > My Laois Page: > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In 1570 Queen Elizabeth 1 commissioned the first ever printing of the Bible and other religious tracts in the Irish language. During her recent vist the present Queen Elizabeth viewed one of the books in Trinity College. It was said that Elizabeth 1 spoke Irish to the Irish chieftains when they called on her in London in 1562 !. On 20 August 2012 19:09, Turtle Bunbury <[email protected]> wrote: > ANNUAL MEETING OF THE COUNTY CARLOW AND LEIGHLIN DIOCESAN AUXILLIARY TO > THE IRISH SOCIETY > > On December 1st 1849, The Carlow Sentinel’s Local Intelligence column > reported on the ‘ANNUAL MEETING OF THE COUNTY CARLOW AND LEIGHLIN DIOCESAN > AUXILLIARY TO THE IRISH SOCIETY’. There had actually been two meetings, > held the previous week in the Assembly Rooms in Carlow Town, one in the > morning (or forenoon), the other in the evening. Among the main speakers > were the Rev. Thomas Moriarty from Ventry and the Rev John N Griffin from > Harold’s Cross, Dublin. ‘At the morning meeting, on the motion of Captain > McClintock Bunbury, MP, seconded by the Rev J. S. Cooper, Colonel Bruen, > MP, Vice-President, was called to the chair. The meeting opened with > singing and prayer’. The Rev. JP Garrett commenced proceedings by reading a > letter from William D Hull, hon sec of the Irish Society, which stated that > the Carlow Auxiliary contributed more than any other auxiliary in the > previous year. A letter was also received from Lady H Kavanagh enclosing a > draft of £10 for the Auxiliary and £2 for the Protestant Orphan Society. > The Rev. Garrett then turned to ‘the awful pestilence which swept through > their town within a few months. They stood as it were over the graves of > five hundred of their fellow creatures who a short time since enjoyed the > same life and health as they did that day, and how grateful to Almighty God > they should feel for all his mercies, when they were spared, while so many > were struck down by the fearful visitation. He then proposed that the Words > of Divine Truth upon which salvation depended should be conveyed to > Ireland’s ‘poor benighted countrymen through the medium of their own > language – a language so dear to the heart of the Irish (hear, hear). He > begged to remind the meeting that 66,000 of the Irish-speaking people of > Ireland die yearly, hitherto neglected, without Christ or a knowledge of > the true way of salvation. The Irish Society had extended itself into 16 > counties, had 63 auxiliaries, 823 schools and teachers, above 33,000 > scholars, and had distributed about 30,000 Bibles, Testaments and > Elementary Books in the Irish language during the past year.’ He concluded > with an earnest appeal on behalf of the Society. > > Captain Bunbury then proposed the following resolution: ‘That we rejoice > to hear of the continual and increasing disposition of the Irish speaking > population to receive Scriptural instruction in their own language, and of > the success with which it has pleased God to accompany the operations of > the Irish Society during the past year. We are strengthened in our > convictions that the principles and proceedings of this Society are > eminently calculated to meet the great Spiritual wants of the Irish > speaking population, and we confidently affirm that without the free use of > God’s Holy Word and sound Scriptural instruction, our country never can be > prosperous and happy. We therefore, are determined in God’s strength to > continue our support of this Society both by our fervent prayers and > contribution, and we earnestly entreat our English brethren to give us more > efficient aid to carry out this work of love and mercy on our native land’. > Echoing a sentiment my father would empathize with, the Rev. Thomas > Moriarty took up the argument. ‘The Irish were the most religious people in > the world and if, at the Reformation, the Holy Scripture had been expounded > to them in their native language, Ireland would not now be a disunited > people, inveigled in ignorance and sin, but would enjoy the freedom which > shone so conspicuous ion England and Scotland’. [The Carlow Sentinel, 1832 > – 1920, Local Studies Department, Carlow Central Library.] > > > REOPENING OF RATHVILLY CHURCH > > On December 15th 1849, The Carlow Sentinel reported on the ‘REOPENING OF > RATHVILLY CHURCH’. On Sunday, the 2nd instant, the Parish Church of > Rathvilly was reopened for divine service, having been closed for extension > and improvement during several months when the Hon and Ven Archdeacon > Stopford preached an appropriate sermon on the occasion. A lathe addition > has been built to this chapel, principally in the ‘Tudor style’ of > architecture, and is capable of affording ninety new sittings. It consists > of transept and recessed chancel, with vestry entrance and porches. The > external appearance of the edifices presents those peculiar features of > English Church architecture, not only in the construction of the new work, > but also by the introduction of suitable tracery windows into the old > portion of the building, which gives the entire a finished appearance. > > The interior is fitted up in a style corresponding with the exterior. The > pulpit is made of old Irish oak, beautifully panelled and enriched with > elaborately carved figures and foliage ornaments. The reading desk is also > tastefully adorned with rich Gothic trancery, as are also the chancel, > ceiling and walls, especially the ceiling which, after an elegant design, > is formed of ribbed oak. The architect was the late Daniel Robertson, Esq, > an eminent Scotchman, whose designs were chaste and original, and his views > were ably carried out by Mr Kingsmill, the well-known and distinguished > builder. > > The funds for this enlargement so necessary to accommodate the increasing > congregation of the parish was raised by subscription, through the active, > and we may add, the unceasing effort of the worthy rector, the Rev. J.B. > Magennis. Among the subscribers we may allude to Colonel Bunbury, whose > munificent donations amounted to £500. The county members subscribed > largely; also the Hon. Wingfield Stratford, the Messrs Duckett and > Hutchinsons, and many others who must feel a pride in contemplating a work > dedicated to the service of the Almighty, while affording a praiseworthy > encouragement to the unprecedented exertions and well-directed zeal of the > rector, who first proposed the enlargement of the church. Well might the > venerable preacher, when addressing a crowded congregation on the > auspicious occasion referred to, remark that Protestant zeal or feeling was > not on the decline while such edifices exhibited the zeal and piety of > those who assisted in its erections. > > ATTACK ON WILLIAM DRURY > > On 5th January 1850, The Carlow Sentinel reported on a meeting of > Magistrates at the Tullow Courthouse that took place on December 15th 1849, > with Sir Thomas Butler, Bart, in the chair. The magistrates in attendance > were Captain McClintock Bunbury, MP; the Hon Somerset R Maxwell, James > Butler, John James Lecky, John Whelan, William Duckett, Clement Wolseley, > Hugh Faulkner, James H Eustace and CH Tuckey, RM, Esq. The meeting > concerned an incident at 9pm on the evening of the 9th when some unknown > person or persons fired a shot through the window of the residence of > William Drury of Raheen, Forth, Co. Carlow, and wounded his daughter > severely in the face. The magistrates expressed their abhorrence at ‘such a > diabolical outrage in our hitherto peaceable county’ and gathered together > with the county’s gentlemen and landholders to procure money to distribute > to anyone who came forward in the next six months with information leading > to the arrest of the guilty party. The Earl of Bessborough led proceedings > with a £10 donation, a sum echoed by all the magistrates, while the > gentlemen pitched in between £5 and £10 and the landholders between £1 and > £5. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

ANNUAL MEETING OF THE COUNTY CARLOW AND LEIGHLIN DIOCESAN AUXILLIARY TO THE IRISH SOCIETY On December 1st 1849, The Carlow Sentinel’s Local Intelligence column reported on the ‘ANNUAL MEETING OF THE COUNTY CARLOW AND LEIGHLIN DIOCESAN AUXILLIARY TO THE IRISH SOCIETY’. There had actually been two meetings, held the previous week in the Assembly Rooms in Carlow Town, one in the morning (or forenoon), the other in the evening. Among the main speakers were the Rev. Thomas Moriarty from Ventry and the Rev John N Griffin from Harold’s Cross, Dublin. ‘At the morning meeting, on the motion of Captain McClintock Bunbury, MP, seconded by the Rev J. S. Cooper, Colonel Bruen, MP, Vice-President, was called to the chair. The meeting opened with singing and prayer’. The Rev. JP Garrett commenced proceedings by reading a letter from William D Hull, hon sec of the Irish Society, which stated that the Carlow Auxiliary contributed more than any other auxiliary in the previous year. A letter was also received from Lady H Kavanagh enclosing a draft of £10 for the Auxiliary and £2 for the Protestant Orphan Society. The Rev. Garrett then turned to ‘the awful pestilence which swept through their town within a few months. They stood as it were over the graves of five hundred of their fellow creatures who a short time since enjoyed the same life and health as they did that day, and how grateful to Almighty God they should feel for all his mercies, when they were spared, while so many were struck down by the fearful visitation. He then proposed that the Words of Divine Truth upon which salvation depended should be conveyed to Ireland’s ‘poor benighted countrymen through the medium of their own language – a language so dear to the heart of the Irish (hear, hear). He begged to remind the meeting that 66,000 of the Irish-speaking people of Ireland die yearly, hitherto neglected, without Christ or a knowledge of the true way of salvation. The Irish Society had extended itself into 16 counties, had 63 auxiliaries, 823 schools and teachers, above 33,000 scholars, and had distributed about 30,000 Bibles, Testaments and Elementary Books in the Irish language during the past year.’ He concluded with an earnest appeal on behalf of the Society. Captain Bunbury then proposed the following resolution: ‘That we rejoice to hear of the continual and increasing disposition of the Irish speaking population to receive Scriptural instruction in their own language, and of the success with which it has pleased God to accompany the operations of the Irish Society during the past year. We are strengthened in our convictions that the principles and proceedings of this Society are eminently calculated to meet the great Spiritual wants of the Irish speaking population, and we confidently affirm that without the free use of God’s Holy Word and sound Scriptural instruction, our country never can be prosperous and happy. We therefore, are determined in God’s strength to continue our support of this Society both by our fervent prayers and contribution, and we earnestly entreat our English brethren to give us more efficient aid to carry out this work of love and mercy on our native land’. Echoing a sentiment my father would empathize with, the Rev. Thomas Moriarty took up the argument. ‘The Irish were the most religious people in the world and if, at the Reformation, the Holy Scripture had been expounded to them in their native language, Ireland would not now be a disunited people, inveigled in ignorance and sin, but would enjoy the freedom which shone so conspicuous ion England and Scotland’. [The Carlow Sentinel, 1832 – 1920, Local Studies Department, Carlow Central Library.] REOPENING OF RATHVILLY CHURCH On December 15th 1849, The Carlow Sentinel reported on the ‘REOPENING OF RATHVILLY CHURCH’. On Sunday, the 2nd instant, the Parish Church of Rathvilly was reopened for divine service, having been closed for extension and improvement during several months when the Hon and Ven Archdeacon Stopford preached an appropriate sermon on the occasion. A lathe addition has been built to this chapel, principally in the ‘Tudor style’ of architecture, and is capable of affording ninety new sittings. It consists of transept and recessed chancel, with vestry entrance and porches. The external appearance of the edifices presents those peculiar features of English Church architecture, not only in the construction of the new work, but also by the introduction of suitable tracery windows into the old portion of the building, which gives the entire a finished appearance. The interior is fitted up in a style corresponding with the exterior. The pulpit is made of old Irish oak, beautifully panelled and enriched with elaborately carved figures and foliage ornaments. The reading desk is also tastefully adorned with rich Gothic trancery, as are also the chancel, ceiling and walls, especially the ceiling which, after an elegant design, is formed of ribbed oak. The architect was the late Daniel Robertson, Esq, an eminent Scotchman, whose designs were chaste and original, and his views were ably carried out by Mr Kingsmill, the well-known and distinguished builder. The funds for this enlargement so necessary to accommodate the increasing congregation of the parish was raised by subscription, through the active, and we may add, the unceasing effort of the worthy rector, the Rev. J.B. Magennis. Among the subscribers we may allude to Colonel Bunbury, whose munificent donations amounted to £500. The county members subscribed largely; also the Hon. Wingfield Stratford, the Messrs Duckett and Hutchinsons, and many others who must feel a pride in contemplating a work dedicated to the service of the Almighty, while affording a praiseworthy encouragement to the unprecedented exertions and well-directed zeal of the rector, who first proposed the enlargement of the church. Well might the venerable preacher, when addressing a crowded congregation on the auspicious occasion referred to, remark that Protestant zeal or feeling was not on the decline while such edifices exhibited the zeal and piety of those who assisted in its erections. ATTACK ON WILLIAM DRURY On 5th January 1850, The Carlow Sentinel reported on a meeting of Magistrates at the Tullow Courthouse that took place on December 15th 1849, with Sir Thomas Butler, Bart, in the chair. The magistrates in attendance were Captain McClintock Bunbury, MP; the Hon Somerset R Maxwell, James Butler, John James Lecky, John Whelan, William Duckett, Clement Wolseley, Hugh Faulkner, James H Eustace and CH Tuckey, RM, Esq. The meeting concerned an incident at 9pm on the evening of the 9th when some unknown person or persons fired a shot through the window of the residence of William Drury of Raheen, Forth, Co. Carlow, and wounded his daughter severely in the face. The magistrates expressed their abhorrence at ‘such a diabolical outrage in our hitherto peaceable county’ and gathered together with the county’s gentlemen and landholders to procure money to distribute to anyone who came forward in the next six months with information leading to the arrest of the guilty party. The Earl of Bessborough led proceedings with a £10 donation, a sum echoed by all the magistrates, while the gentlemen pitched in between £5 and £10 and the landholders between £1 and £5.