Michelle There are also photos of shop fronts on the Carlow website in the Street section which you might find useful: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/street_index.htm Regards Michael Brennan http://www.facebook.com/michael.brennan.3152 County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 11:56:54 -0400 From: "Michelle Wilson" <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Pictures I see that from time to time some local listers from the carlow area have taken pictures of sites in and around Carlow. Would anyone have a picture of housese on Bureen Street? My family lived there at 15 Burren Street and 55 Burren Street (accoprding to 1901 census) and I would live to hv a picture of those houses if any are available. I am willing to purchase them. Also, my g-g-grandfather reportedly had a shop at 127 Tullow Street in the 1820-1830 period. I would also like to purchase a photo of that shop if it is the original building from that area. Thank you Michelle W. Veront USA ------------------------------

Thank you so much Terry. I truly appreciate that. Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Curran" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Pictures Hi Michelle I will be in Carlow next week, one of my task is to photo my ancestor houes number 25 Burrin Street so not a problem to added a few more photos of the street all the best Terry From: Michelle Wilson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2012, 17:56 Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Pictures I see that from time to time some local listers from the carlow area have taken pictures of sites in and around Carlow. Would anyone have a picture of housese on Bureen Street? My family lived there at 15 Burren Street and 55 Burren Street (accoprding to 1901 census) and I would live to hv a picture of those houses if any are available. I am willing to purchase them. Also, my g-g-grandfather reportedly had a shop at 127 Tullow Street in the 1820-1830 period. I would also like to purchase a photo of that shop if it is the original building from that area. Thank you Michelle W. Veront USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You can also view them on Google Street view http://goo.gl/maps/gAKSE I do believe that the 15 Burren Street in 1901 may not equate to the current 15 Burren Street. Trevor -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Terry Curran Sent: 04 September 2012 21:04 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] Pictures Hi Michelle I will be in Carlow next week, one of my task is to photo my ancestor houes number 25 Burrin Street so not a problem to added a few more photos of the street   all the best Terry From: Michelle Wilson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2012, 17:56 Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Pictures I see that from time to time some local listers from the carlow area have taken pictures of sites in and around Carlow. Would anyone have a picture of housese on Bureen Street? My family lived there at 15 Burren Street and 55 Burren Street (accoprding to 1901 census) and I would live to hv a picture of those houses if any are available.  I am willing to purchase them.  Also, my g-g-grandfather reportedly had a shop at 127 Tullow Street in the 1820-1830 period.  I would also like to purchase a photo of that shop if it is the original building from that area. Thank you Michelle W. Veront USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5248 - Release Date: 09/04/12

Hi Michelle I will be in Carlow next week, one of my task is to photo my ancestor houes number 25 Burrin Street so not a problem to added a few more photos of the street   all the best Terry From: Michelle Wilson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2012, 17:56 Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Pictures I see that from time to time some local listers from the carlow area have taken pictures of sites in and around Carlow. Would anyone have a picture of housese on Bureen Street? My family lived there at 15 Burren Street and 55 Burren Street (accoprding to 1901 census) and I would live to hv a picture of those houses if any are available.  I am willing to purchase them.  Also, my g-g-grandfather reportedly had a shop at 127 Tullow Street in the 1820-1830 period.  I would also like to purchase a photo of that shop if it is the original building from that area. Thank you Michelle W. Veront USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I see that from time to time some local listers from the carlow area have taken pictures of sites in and around Carlow. Would anyone have a picture of housese on Bureen Street? My family lived there at 15 Burren Street and 55 Burren Street (accoprding to 1901 census) and I would live to hv a picture of those houses if any are available. I am willing to purchase them. Also, my g-g-grandfather reportedly had a shop at 127 Tullow Street in the 1820-1830 period. I would also like to purchase a photo of that shop if it is the original building from that area. Thank you Michelle W. Veront USA

Could it be Kelvin Grove ? Have the Gurly family any Scottish connections? PD On 28 August 2012 14:45, JOHN McINTYRE <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Carlow Rootsweb, > > Would anyone know for sure which property which was owned by the Gurly > family on Athy Road in Carlow was lived in by John Duke Gillmore and his > wife Arabella (nee Gurly) in the 1880's. The property was apparently close > to St. Anne's Church. > > Best wishes, > > John McIntyre. > > > Hi John, I think if you just emailed Carlow Rootsweb < > [email protected]> and asked them which house it was, you might > hopefully hear more - if you have Carlow knowledge you're game on to share > on Rootsweb, I'm sure it would be much appreciated. Cheerio for now, Turtle > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "John McIntyre" <[email protected]> > > Date: 27 August 2012 23:20:49 GMT+01:00 > > To: Who was JP <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Who was JP] [Posted on Carlow Rootsweb with note added > by... > > Reply-To: Reply to Comment < > g+41lqe5nn[email protected]> > > > > John McIntyre commented on your post in Who was JP. > > > > John McIntyre 11:20pm Aug 27 > > Thanks Turtle for this find - I wonder which house it was on the Athy > Road ? I believe it was close to St Anne's Church - is there anyway of > finding out? These premises appear to be where the Gillmore family lived. > Would like to know if it was a nice country residence or a hovel. > > Original Post > > > > Turtle Bunbury 8:05pm Aug 26 > > [Posted on Carlow Rootsweb with note added by Michael Purcell in August > 2012. The following is a recently discovered letter in the Pat Purcell > Papers from the "self-professed World Betterer" George Bernard Shaw, > containing instructions to Malcolmson and Law, Court Place, Carlow. This is > the first time that this letter has ever been made public. George Bernard > Shaw owned 13 proprieties in Carlow town, inherited by him through his > mother's grandfather, Thomas Gurley. The properties were / are situated in > Tullow Street, Dublin Street, John Street, Centaur Street, Ballymanus > Terrace, The Quay, Athy Road, Grave Lane and the Barrow Track. Shaw paid a > visit to Carlow in 1918 to view his property, he stayed in the Railway > Hotel ( now The Irishmans ) he later recalled that the proprietress > presented him with a joint of "Carlow pig" for supper, he explained that he > did not partake of dead animals or their product, she advised him that he > would not live long without eating meat - he died in 1950 from injuries > incurred after falling from a ladder whilst pruning a tree at the age of > 94!] > > > > In 1919 he transferred the Old Assembly Rooms on Dublin Street to the > Carlow Technical Instruction Committee for use as a Technical school (in > > later years the Carlow County Library was situated in the building). > > In 1944 Shaw set about handing over the remainder of his Carlow estate to > > be held for the common benefit of the people of Carlow, however he found > > that Carlow Town Council could not accept his gift as they had no > authority > > to accept gifted property. > > In 1944 Shaw wrote to Eamon de Valera requesting that his government pass > > an Act to enable Carlow Town Council to accept his gift. > > In 1945 Dev's Minister for Local Government, Sean McEntee, passed the > Local > > Authorities ( Acceptance of Gifts ) Bill, 1945. > > Mr McEntee stated " at present local authorities had no power to acquire > > property by way of gift, the passing of this Bill would enable a local > > authority to accept gifts of property, but only on condition that they > > adopted schemes of civic improvement in their areas and devoted the gifts > > for the purposes provided for in the schemes and once a scheme was framed > > it could not be altered except by an Order of the High Court. > > > > For further examples of Shaw's letters concerning his property in Carlow > > see the article " Shaw's bequest to Carlow" by Sean O'Shea published in > > Carlovina 1998. > > > > Transcribed by Selina Lawlor. > > > > Pat Purcell Papers 1944. > > > > 4, Whitehall Court, London. S.W.I. > > > > Ayot. St. Lawrence, Nr. Welwyn Herts. > > > > Station: Wheathampstead, L N.E.R. 2½ Miles. > > > > Telegrams: Bernard Shaw, Codicote. > > > > Telephone: Codicote 218. > > > > 7 September 1944 > > > > Dear Mr. Law > > I forgot to say on my card that it would be very convenient if we could > > get the transfer executed on the 29th Sept .thereabouts as that is a gale > > day, and the Carlow Corporation could take the succeeding half years rent > > leaving me the rent just falling due. I don’t know whether there are such > > things as hanging gales nowadays; but if so we can ignore them, and > > consider the real dates and not the nominal ones. > > As to arrears, I hope there won’t be any. Can you get Walsh out, and his > > tenant in by the 29th and the house repaired at my cost (Major > Fitzmaurice > > knows my views and has ample funds of mine) so that I can hand over the > > premises in a settled, solvent and waterproof condition? > > Then there is the tenant at Grave Lane, who gave up paying rents years > ago, > > but has lately been giving Fitzmaurice an occasional ten shillings. The > > Corporation will no doubt evict her, and if it is wise it will not relet > > the house, but knock it down and either let the land as an eligible > > building site, changing the name of the land to something more cheerful > > than Grave Lane !, or build a new house on it with all the modern > > improvements to bring it within the scope of the new Fund and attract a > > substantial tenant. The modernisation of houses by garages, > refrigerators, > > labour saving kitchens, electric cookers is in my view the most obvious > and > > civilising line of improvement. > > Anyhow, I am quite willing to forego and forgive the arrears if that will > > facilitate matters. If the lady can afford to pay ten shillings a week, > as > > she is doing, she can afford to rent another dwelling place. > > Don’t let money stand in the way of a quick and clean settlement. I want > > to die destitute as far as Eire is concerned. I can afford it. I can’t > > afford bother. > > > > By the way (if it has any relevance) I am technically an Irish > > citizen as well as a British subject with an English domicile. ( signed ) > > George Bernard Shaw. > > > > View Post on Facebook · Edit Email Settings · Reply to this email to add > a comment. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jean, I have too much respect for the people I have known and know that have earned the title "historian" by diligent study, research, publications, H.Dips, MAs etc. for me to consider meself anything other than a local historian. Here is some further information on the 1846, Castle Tavern / Young Irelander's affair -- Further research has been carried out by local historian Michael Purcell on the Joseph Sinosky / Jozef Szymanowski connection reported in last week's Nationalist. The 1846 August edition of the Carlow Sentinel newspaper spelt his name as Sinowsky describing him as "a driller in the Polish science of pike warfare" and stated "from what we learn, whether his story be well-founded or otherwise, he is a very dangerous character to be allowed to roam about the country at present". In 1897 Carlow historian Michael Brophy, himself a retired officer from the Royal Irish Constabulary carried out research to try find out what became of "Joseph Sinosky". Michael Brophy noted that Constable John Roddy who investigated the case was one of the most competent officers in the Irish Constabulary and had been responsible for the conviction of many criminals with over twenty of them receiving sentences of Transportation to Australia. Michael recorded that when he made enquiries to the authorities in 1880 he was told that Joseph Sinosky had left Ireland for America in 1847 travelling under the name of Joseph Gurley ?. But nevertheless Michael concluded that Joseph had died in Carlow Jail despite the fact that Joseph's name never appeared in the prison records, he believed that Joseph Sinosky was buried in the Felon's Plot in the grounds of Carlow Jail. Of course Michael Brophy had to carry out his research without the aid of "Google" , a source that would have informed him that Jozef Szymanowski died in Rome in 1867 but even therein the mystery is added to when another google source states that the body of Jozef Szymanowski was brought back to Rome for burial in 1867 !. Michael Purcell intends to package all the data he has collected on this case and forward it to the University of Warsaw in order to finally solve the mystery of who was this man who stated he had " given the pattern of thousands of Polish Lances at Limerick and claimed he was in Carlow to give Ireland a hand in her fight for freedom". It has also transpired that James Grimes who owned the Castle Tavern in 1846 is related to the pair known as JEDWARD, for this information Michael is grateful to the concert promoter Davy Grimes. On 22 August 2012 08:09, jean casey <[email protected]> wrote: > Mick, great article on Nationalist, August 7, well done but surely it's > time to drop the "local historian" moniker, what do you have to achieve for > them to call you a "historian" ?. > > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Michael Brennan < > [email protected] > > wrote: > > > The following article appeared in the Carlow Nationalist newspaper today > > and > > is well worth a read: > > > > "Polish war hero’s part in the struggle for Irish freedom" > > http://www.carlow-nationalist.ie/tabId/369/itemId/190/News.aspx > > > > Regards > > Michael Brennan > > http://www.facebook.com/michael.brennan.3152 > > County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ > > My Laois Page: > > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

well grave lane is very close to the athy road..........the hearns had a big house on the athy road so may have been wealthy.............so they may have had a second residence in grave lane???????????????????????????????????????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 2 September, 2012 1:19:13 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] ATHY ROAD / GURLY FAMILY Is there any possibility that the house on Grave Lane would also have been referred to as Athy Road? The Cathedral records show that my gr. grandfather, Michael Hearns, was born at Athy Road along with his siblings except that one of the children in between is listed as being born on Grave Lane. It seems odd that they would have moved in between and then moved back again. Any ideas? Regards, Regina -----Original Message----- From: michael purcell <[email protected]> To: irl-carlow <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Sep 1, 2012 1:20 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] ATHY ROAD / GURLY FAMILY last line of previous email should read -- the Shaw Plaque unveiled by Dan Laurence in 1998 cost £200 and the remaining £300 went to pay for a Plaque to the memory of Iona McLeod, who had been County Librarian in Carlow for nearly 50 years. This Plaque is erected on another Gurley building opposite Carlow Courthouse ....this Plaque is erected on another Gurley building opposite Carlow Courthouse....... On 1 September 2012 18:09, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > Part of the property owned by George Bernard Shaw was the ground on which > St Anne's church was built....filed as Property # 1 the folio consisted of > 6 houses, 4 on the Athy Road and 2 on the northside in Grave > Lane.....Property folio # 2 was 2 houses on the Athy Road and 2 on the > southside in Grave Lane....property folio # 3 was 1 house on the Athy Road > ( first house after Montgomery Street facing the Seven Oaks Hotel ), this > is a large building with a double roof and was I believe the last house > occupied by relatives of the Gurley family......at least 7 of the original > buildings remain standing on the Athy Road .......Property folio # 1A is > the ground of the Old Graves on the Barrow Track, some people believe this > included the old Town Park ( now named Shaw Park )......the remaining > property owned by GBS was / is situated in John Street, Tullow Street, > Dublin Street, Centaur Street, Ballymanus Terrace, The Quays. > Mostly subject to Ground Rent payments, the income from which was to be > directed for the benefit of the Arts in Carlow.....many years ago with the > assistance of Dan H. Laurence ( then adviser to the estate of GBS - google > him .. ) I attempted to trace the whereabouts of the fund that Shaw > proposed for Carlow, all we could establish back then was that the erection > of the Christmas Crib on the steps of Carlow Courthouse is funded by the > Shaw estate !....Dan Laurence travelled from Canada to investigate this, > while he was here he unveiled a Plaque to GBS on one of the buildings Shaw > owned in Tullow Street...this was paid for by the sale of a letter from > GBS, which I sold by auction, it was purchased for £500 by Malcolmson and > Law ....the letter was presented to me by Fred McCombe, grandson of Rowan > McCombe ( Rowan was the first person to erect a Plaque to the "Men of 1798" > in Graiguecullen, ...the Plaque cost £200 and the remaining £300 went to > pay for a Plaque to the memory of Iona McLeod, who had been County > Librarian in Carlow for nearly 50 years. This Plaque is erected on another > Gurley building opposite Carlow Courthouse .... > > On 28 August 2012 14:45, JOHN McINTYRE <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dear Carlow Rootsweb, >> >> Would anyone know for sure which property which was owned by the Gurly >> family on Athy Road in Carlow was lived in by John Duke Gillmore and his >> wife Arabella (nee Gurly) in the 1880's. The property was apparently close >> to St. Anne's Church. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> John McIntyre. >> >> >> Hi John, I think if you just emailed Carlow Rootsweb < >> [email protected]> and asked them which house it was, you might >> hopefully hear more - if you have Carlow knowledge you're game on to share >> on Rootsweb, I'm sure it would be much appreciated. Cheerio for now, Turtle >> >> >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> > From: "John McIntyre" <[email protected]> >> > Date: 27 August 2012 23:20:49 GMT+01:00 >> > To: Who was JP <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [Who was JP] [Posted on Carlow Rootsweb with note added >> by... >> > Reply-To: Reply to Comment < >> [email protected]ook.com> >> > >> > John McIntyre commented on your post in Who was JP. >> > >> > John McIntyre 11:20pm Aug 27 >> > Thanks Turtle for this find - I wonder which house it was on the Athy >> Road ? I believe it was close to St Anne's Church - is there anyway of >> finding out? These premises appear to be where the Gillmore family lived. >> Would like to know if it was a nice country residence or a hovel. >> > Original Post >> > >> > Turtle Bunbury 8:05pm Aug 26 >> > [Posted on Carlow Rootsweb with note added by Michael Purcell in August >> 2012. The following is a recently discovered letter in the Pat Purcell >> Papers from the "self-professed World Betterer" George Bernard Shaw, >> containing instructions to Malcolmson and Law, Court Place, Carlow. This is >> the first time that this letter has ever been made public. George Bernard >> Shaw owned 13 proprieties in Carlow town, inherited by him through his >> mother's grandfather, Thomas Gurley. The properties were / are situated in >> Tullow Street, Dublin Street, John Street, Centaur Street, Ballymanus >> Terrace, The Quay, Athy Road, Grave Lane and the Barrow Track. Shaw paid a >> visit to Carlow in 1918 to view his property, he stayed in the Railway >> Hotel ( now The Irishmans ) he later recalled that the proprietress >> presented him with a joint of "Carlow pig" for supper, he explained that he >> did not partake of dead animals or their product, she advised him that he >> would not live long without eating meat - he died in 1950 from injuries >> incurred after falling from a ladder whilst pruning a tree at the age of >> 94!] >> > >> > In 1919 he transferred the Old Assembly Rooms on Dublin Street to the >> Carlow Technical Instruction Committee for use as a Technical school (in >> > later years the Carlow County Library was situated in the building). >> > In 1944 Shaw set about handing over the remainder of his Carlow estate >> to >> > be held for the common benefit of the people of Carlow, however he found >> > that Carlow Town Council could not accept his gift as they had no >> authority >> > to accept gifted property. >> > In 1944 Shaw wrote to Eamon de Valera requesting that his government >> pass >> > an Act to enable Carlow Town Council to accept his gift. >> > In 1945 Dev's Minister for Local Government, Sean McEntee, passed the >> Local >> > Authorities ( Acceptance of Gifts ) Bill, 1945. >> > Mr McEntee stated " at present local authorities had no power to acquire >> > property by way of gift, the passing of this Bill would enable a local >> > authority to accept gifts of property, but only on condition that they >> > adopted schemes of civic improvement in their areas and devoted the >> gifts >> > for the purposes provided for in the schemes and once a scheme was >> framed >> > it could not be altered except by an Order of the High Court. >> > >> > For further examples of Shaw's letters concerning his property in Carlow >> > see the article " Shaw's bequest to Carlow" by Sean O'Shea published in >> > Carlovina 1998. >> > >> > Transcribed by Selina Lawlor. >> > >> > Pat Purcell Papers 1944. >> > >> > 4, Whitehall Court, London. S.W.I. >> > >> > Ayot. St. Lawrence, Nr. Welwyn Herts. >> > >> > Station: Wheathampstead, L N.E.R. 2½ Miles. >> > >> > Telegrams: Bernard Shaw, Codicote. >> > >> > Telephone: Codicote 218. >> > >> > 7 September 1944 >> > >> > Dear Mr. Law >> > I forgot to say on my card that it would be very convenient if we could >> > get the transfer executed on the 29th Sept .thereabouts as that is a >> gale >> > day, and the Carlow Corporation could take the succeeding half years >> rent >> > leaving me the rent just falling due. I don’t know whether there are >> such >> > things as hanging gales nowadays; but if so we can ignore them, and >> > consider the real dates and not the nominal ones. >> > As to arrears, I hope there won’t be any. Can you get Walsh out, and his >> > tenant in by the 29th and the house repaired at my cost (Major >> Fitzmaurice >> > knows my views and has ample funds of mine) so that I can hand over the >> > premises in a settled, solvent and waterproof condition? >> > Then there is the tenant at Grave Lane, who gave up paying rents years >> ago, >> > but has lately been giving Fitzmaurice an occasional ten shillings. The >> > Corporation will no doubt evict her, and if it is wise it will not relet >> > the house, but knock it down and either let the land as an eligible >> > building site, changing the name of the land to something more cheerful >> > than Grave Lane !, or build a new house on it with all the modern >> > improvements to bring it within the scope of the new Fund and attract a >> > substantial tenant. The modernisation of houses by garages, >> refrigerators, >> > labour saving kitchens, electric cookers is in my view the most obvious >> and >> > civilising line of improvement. >> > Anyhow, I am quite willing to forego and forgive the arrears if that >> will >> > facilitate matters. If the lady can afford to pay ten shillings a week, >> as >> > she is doing, she can afford to rent another dwelling place. >> > Don’t let money stand in the way of a quick and clean settlement. I want >> > to die destitute as far as Eire is concerned. I can afford it. I can’t >> > afford bother. >> > >> > By the way (if it has any relevance) I am technically an Irish >> > citizen as well as a British subject with an English domicile. ( signed >> ) >> > George Bernard Shaw. >> > >> > View Post on Facebook · Edit Email Settings · Reply to this email to >> add a comment. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Anna!

Unfortunately John McIntyre will not receive any emails from the Carlow Mailing List until he subscribed to the Carlow Mailing List. Turtle, if you still have John's emails address please advise him that he has to subscribe. To subscribe to the IRL-Carlow mailing list, send an email to [email protected] with the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) in the Subject box. No additional text is required. Regards Michael Brennan http://www.facebook.com/michael.brennan.3152 County Carlow Website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/ My Laois Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm

Is there any possibility that the house on Grave Lane would also have been referred to as Athy Road? The Cathedral records show that my gr. grandfather, Michael Hearns, was born at Athy Road along with his siblings except that one of the children in between is listed as being born on Grave Lane. It seems odd that they would have moved in between and then moved back again. Any ideas? Regards, Regina -----Original Message----- From: michael purcell <[email protected]> To: irl-carlow <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Sep 1, 2012 1:20 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] ATHY ROAD / GURLY FAMILY last line of previous email should read -- the Shaw Plaque unveiled by Dan Laurence in 1998 cost £200 and the remaining £300 went to pay for a Plaque to the memory of Iona McLeod, who had been County Librarian in Carlow for nearly 50 years. This Plaque is erected on another Gurley building opposite Carlow Courthouse ....this Plaque is erected on another Gurley building opposite Carlow Courthouse....... On 1 September 2012 18:09, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > Part of the property owned by George Bernard Shaw was the ground on which > St Anne's church was built....filed as Property # 1 the folio consisted of > 6 houses, 4 on the Athy Road and 2 on the northside in Grave > Lane.....Property folio # 2 was 2 houses on the Athy Road and 2 on the > southside in Grave Lane....property folio # 3 was 1 house on the Athy Road > ( first house after Montgomery Street facing the Seven Oaks Hotel ), this > is a large building with a double roof and was I believe the last house > occupied by relatives of the Gurley family......at least 7 of the original > buildings remain standing on the Athy Road .......Property folio # 1A is > the ground of the Old Graves on the Barrow Track, some people believe this > included the old Town Park ( now named Shaw Park )......the remaining > property owned by GBS was / is situated in John Street, Tullow Street, > Dublin Street, Centaur Street, Ballymanus Terrace, The Quays. > Mostly subject to Ground Rent payments, the income from which was to be > directed for the benefit of the Arts in Carlow.....many years ago with the > assistance of Dan H. Laurence ( then adviser to the estate of GBS - google > him .. ) I attempted to trace the whereabouts of the fund that Shaw > proposed for Carlow, all we could establish back then was that the erection > of the Christmas Crib on the steps of Carlow Courthouse is funded by the > Shaw estate !....Dan Laurence travelled from Canada to investigate this, > while he was here he unveiled a Plaque to GBS on one of the buildings Shaw > owned in Tullow Street...this was paid for by the sale of a letter from > GBS, which I sold by auction, it was purchased for £500 by Malcolmson and > Law ....the letter was presented to me by Fred McCombe, grandson of Rowan > McCombe ( Rowan was the first person to erect a Plaque to the "Men of 1798" > in Graiguecullen, ...the Plaque cost £200 and the remaining £300 went to > pay for a Plaque to the memory of Iona McLeod, who had been County > Librarian in Carlow for nearly 50 years. This Plaque is erected on another > Gurley building opposite Carlow Courthouse .... > > On 28 August 2012 14:45, JOHN McINTYRE <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dear Carlow Rootsweb, >> >> Would anyone know for sure which property which was owned by the Gurly >> family on Athy Road in Carlow was lived in by John Duke Gillmore and his >> wife Arabella (nee Gurly) in the 1880's. The property was apparently close >> to St. Anne's Church. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> John McIntyre. >> >> >> Hi John, I think if you just emailed Carlow Rootsweb < >> [email protected]> and asked them which house it was, you might >> hopefully hear more - if you have Carlow knowledge you're game on to share >> on Rootsweb, I'm sure it would be much appreciated. Cheerio for now, Turtle >> >> >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> > From: "John McIntyre" <[email protected]> >> > Date: 27 August 2012 23:20:49 GMT+01:00 >> > To: Who was JP <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [Who was JP] [Posted on Carlow Rootsweb with note added >> by... >> > Reply-To: Reply to Comment < >> [email protected]ook.com> >> > >> > John McIntyre commented on your post in Who was JP. >> > >> > John McIntyre 11:20pm Aug 27 >> > Thanks Turtle for this find - I wonder which house it was on the Athy >> Road ? I believe it was close to St Anne's Church - is there anyway of >> finding out? These premises appear to be where the Gillmore family lived. >> Would like to know if it was a nice country residence or a hovel. >> > Original Post >> > >> > Turtle Bunbury 8:05pm Aug 26 >> > [Posted on Carlow Rootsweb with note added by Michael Purcell in August >> 2012. The following is a recently discovered letter in the Pat Purcell >> Papers from the "self-professed World Betterer" George Bernard Shaw, >> containing instructions to Malcolmson and Law, Court Place, Carlow. This is >> the first time that this letter has ever been made public. George Bernard >> Shaw owned 13 proprieties in Carlow town, inherited by him through his >> mother's grandfather, Thomas Gurley. The properties were / are situated in >> Tullow Street, Dublin Street, John Street, Centaur Street, Ballymanus >> Terrace, The Quay, Athy Road, Grave Lane and the Barrow Track. Shaw paid a >> visit to Carlow in 1918 to view his property, he stayed in the Railway >> Hotel ( now The Irishmans ) he later recalled that the proprietress >> presented him with a joint of "Carlow pig" for supper, he explained that he >> did not partake of dead animals or their product, she advised him that he >> would not live long without eating meat - he died in 1950 from injuries >> incurred after falling from a ladder whilst pruning a tree at the age of >> 94!] >> > >> > In 1919 he transferred the Old Assembly Rooms on Dublin Street to the >> Carlow Technical Instruction Committee for use as a Technical school (in >> > later years the Carlow County Library was situated in the building). >> > In 1944 Shaw set about handing over the remainder of his Carlow estate >> to >> > be held for the common benefit of the people of Carlow, however he found >> > that Carlow Town Council could not accept his gift as they had no >> authority >> > to accept gifted property. >> > In 1944 Shaw wrote to Eamon de Valera requesting that his government >> pass >> > an Act to enable Carlow Town Council to accept his gift. >> > In 1945 Dev's Minister for Local Government, Sean McEntee, passed the >> Local >> > Authorities ( Acceptance of Gifts ) Bill, 1945. >> > Mr McEntee stated " at present local authorities had no power to acquire >> > property by way of gift, the passing of this Bill would enable a local >> > authority to accept gifts of property, but only on condition that they >> > adopted schemes of civic improvement in their areas and devoted the >> gifts >> > for the purposes provided for in the schemes and once a scheme was >> framed >> > it could not be altered except by an Order of the High Court. >> > >> > For further examples of Shaw's letters concerning his property in Carlow >> > see the article " Shaw's bequest to Carlow" by Sean O'Shea published in >> > Carlovina 1998. >> > >> > Transcribed by Selina Lawlor. >> > >> > Pat Purcell Papers 1944. >> > >> > 4, Whitehall Court, London. S.W.I. >> > >> > Ayot. St. Lawrence, Nr. Welwyn Herts. >> > >> > Station: Wheathampstead, L N.E.R. 2½ Miles. >> > >> > Telegrams: Bernard Shaw, Codicote. >> > >> > Telephone: Codicote 218. >> > >> > 7 September 1944 >> > >> > Dear Mr. Law >> > I forgot to say on my card that it would be very convenient if we could >> > get the transfer executed on the 29th Sept .thereabouts as that is a >> gale >> > day, and the Carlow Corporation could take the succeeding half years >> rent >> > leaving me the rent just falling due. I don’t know whether there are >> such >> > things as hanging gales nowadays; but if so we can ignore them, and >> > consider the real dates and not the nominal ones. >> > As to arrears, I hope there won’t be any. Can you get Walsh out, and his >> > tenant in by the 29th and the house repaired at my cost (Major >> Fitzmaurice >> > knows my views and has ample funds of mine) so that I can hand over the >> > premises in a settled, solvent and waterproof condition? >> > Then there is the tenant at Grave Lane, who gave up paying rents years >> ago, >> > but has lately been giving Fitzmaurice an occasional ten shillings. The >> > Corporation will no doubt evict her, and if it is wise it will not relet >> > the house, but knock it down and either let the land as an eligible >> > building site, changing the name of the land to something more cheerful >> > than Grave Lane !, or build a new house on it with all the modern >> > improvements to bring it within the scope of the new Fund and attract a >> > substantial tenant. The modernisation of houses by garages, >> refrigerators, >> > labour saving kitchens, electric cookers is in my view the most obvious >> and >> > civilising line of improvement. >> > Anyhow, I am quite willing to forego and forgive the arrears if that >> will >> > facilitate matters. If the lady can afford to pay ten shillings a week, >> as >> > she is doing, she can afford to rent another dwelling place. >> > Don’t let money stand in the way of a quick and clean settlement. I want >> > to die destitute as far as Eire is concerned. I can afford it. I can’t >> > afford bother. >> > >> > By the way (if it has any relevance) I am technically an Irish >> > citizen as well as a British subject with an English domicile. ( signed >> ) >> > George Bernard Shaw. >> > >> > View Post on Facebook · Edit Email Settings · Reply to this email to >> add a comment. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

last line of previous email should read -- the Shaw Plaque unveiled by Dan Laurence in 1998 cost £200 and the remaining £300 went to pay for a Plaque to the memory of Iona McLeod, who had been County Librarian in Carlow for nearly 50 years. This Plaque is erected on another Gurley building opposite Carlow Courthouse ....this Plaque is erected on another Gurley building opposite Carlow Courthouse....... On 1 September 2012 18:09, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > Part of the property owned by George Bernard Shaw was the ground on which > St Anne's church was built....filed as Property # 1 the folio consisted of > 6 houses, 4 on the Athy Road and 2 on the northside in Grave > Lane.....Property folio # 2 was 2 houses on the Athy Road and 2 on the > southside in Grave Lane....property folio # 3 was 1 house on the Athy Road > ( first house after Montgomery Street facing the Seven Oaks Hotel ), this > is a large building with a double roof and was I believe the last house > occupied by relatives of the Gurley family......at least 7 of the original > buildings remain standing on the Athy Road .......Property folio # 1A is > the ground of the Old Graves on the Barrow Track, some people believe this > included the old Town Park ( now named Shaw Park )......the remaining > property owned by GBS was / is situated in John Street, Tullow Street, > Dublin Street, Centaur Street, Ballymanus Terrace, The Quays. > Mostly subject to Ground Rent payments, the income from which was to be > directed for the benefit of the Arts in Carlow.....many years ago with the > assistance of Dan H. Laurence ( then adviser to the estate of GBS - google > him .. ) I attempted to trace the whereabouts of the fund that Shaw > proposed for Carlow, all we could establish back then was that the erection > of the Christmas Crib on the steps of Carlow Courthouse is funded by the > Shaw estate !....Dan Laurence travelled from Canada to investigate this, > while he was here he unveiled a Plaque to GBS on one of the buildings Shaw > owned in Tullow Street...this was paid for by the sale of a letter from > GBS, which I sold by auction, it was purchased for £500 by Malcolmson and > Law ....the letter was presented to me by Fred McCombe, grandson of Rowan > McCombe ( Rowan was the first person to erect a Plaque to the "Men of 1798" > in Graiguecullen, ...the Plaque cost £200 and the remaining £300 went to > pay for a Plaque to the memory of Iona McLeod, who had been County > Librarian in Carlow for nearly 50 years. This Plaque is erected on another > Gurley building opposite Carlow Courthouse .... > > On 28 August 2012 14:45, JOHN McINTYRE <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dear Carlow Rootsweb, >> >> Would anyone know for sure which property which was owned by the Gurly >> family on Athy Road in Carlow was lived in by John Duke Gillmore and his >> wife Arabella (nee Gurly) in the 1880's. The property was apparently close >> to St. Anne's Church. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> John McIntyre. >> >> >> Hi John, I think if you just emailed Carlow Rootsweb < >> [email protected]> and asked them which house it was, you might >> hopefully hear more - if you have Carlow knowledge you're game on to share >> on Rootsweb, I'm sure it would be much appreciated. Cheerio for now, Turtle >> >> >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> > From: "John McIntyre" <[email protected]> >> > Date: 27 August 2012 23:20:49 GMT+01:00 >> > To: Who was JP <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [Who was JP] [Posted on Carlow Rootsweb with note added >> by... >> > Reply-To: Reply to Comment < >> [email protected]ook.com> >> > >> > John McIntyre commented on your post in Who was JP. >> > >> > John McIntyre 11:20pm Aug 27 >> > Thanks Turtle for this find - I wonder which house it was on the Athy >> Road ? I believe it was close to St Anne's Church - is there anyway of >> finding out? These premises appear to be where the Gillmore family lived. >> Would like to know if it was a nice country residence or a hovel. >> > Original Post >> > >> > Turtle Bunbury 8:05pm Aug 26 >> > [Posted on Carlow Rootsweb with note added by Michael Purcell in August >> 2012. The following is a recently discovered letter in the Pat Purcell >> Papers from the "self-professed World Betterer" George Bernard Shaw, >> containing instructions to Malcolmson and Law, Court Place, Carlow. This is >> the first time that this letter has ever been made public. George Bernard >> Shaw owned 13 proprieties in Carlow town, inherited by him through his >> mother's grandfather, Thomas Gurley. The properties were / are situated in >> Tullow Street, Dublin Street, John Street, Centaur Street, Ballymanus >> Terrace, The Quay, Athy Road, Grave Lane and the Barrow Track. Shaw paid a >> visit to Carlow in 1918 to view his property, he stayed in the Railway >> Hotel ( now The Irishmans ) he later recalled that the proprietress >> presented him with a joint of "Carlow pig" for supper, he explained that he >> did not partake of dead animals or their product, she advised him that he >> would not live long without eating meat - he died in 1950 from injuries >> incurred after falling from a ladder whilst pruning a tree at the age of >> 94!] >> > >> > In 1919 he transferred the Old Assembly Rooms on Dublin Street to the >> Carlow Technical Instruction Committee for use as a Technical school (in >> > later years the Carlow County Library was situated in the building). >> > In 1944 Shaw set about handing over the remainder of his Carlow estate >> to >> > be held for the common benefit of the people of Carlow, however he found >> > that Carlow Town Council could not accept his gift as they had no >> authority >> > to accept gifted property. >> > In 1944 Shaw wrote to Eamon de Valera requesting that his government >> pass >> > an Act to enable Carlow Town Council to accept his gift. >> > In 1945 Dev's Minister for Local Government, Sean McEntee, passed the >> Local >> > Authorities ( Acceptance of Gifts ) Bill, 1945. >> > Mr McEntee stated " at present local authorities had no power to acquire >> > property by way of gift, the passing of this Bill would enable a local >> > authority to accept gifts of property, but only on condition that they >> > adopted schemes of civic improvement in their areas and devoted the >> gifts >> > for the purposes provided for in the schemes and once a scheme was >> framed >> > it could not be altered except by an Order of the High Court. >> > >> > For further examples of Shaw's letters concerning his property in Carlow >> > see the article " Shaw's bequest to Carlow" by Sean O'Shea published in >> > Carlovina 1998. >> > >> > Transcribed by Selina Lawlor. >> > >> > Pat Purcell Papers 1944. >> > >> > 4, Whitehall Court, London. S.W.I. >> > >> > Ayot. St. Lawrence, Nr. Welwyn Herts. >> > >> > Station: Wheathampstead, L N.E.R. 2½ Miles. >> > >> > Telegrams: Bernard Shaw, Codicote. >> > >> > Telephone: Codicote 218. >> > >> > 7 September 1944 >> > >> > Dear Mr. Law >> > I forgot to say on my card that it would be very convenient if we could >> > get the transfer executed on the 29th Sept .thereabouts as that is a >> gale >> > day, and the Carlow Corporation could take the succeeding half years >> rent >> > leaving me the rent just falling due. I don’t know whether there are >> such >> > things as hanging gales nowadays; but if so we can ignore them, and >> > consider the real dates and not the nominal ones. >> > As to arrears, I hope there won’t be any. Can you get Walsh out, and his >> > tenant in by the 29th and the house repaired at my cost (Major >> Fitzmaurice >> > knows my views and has ample funds of mine) so that I can hand over the >> > premises in a settled, solvent and waterproof condition? >> > Then there is the tenant at Grave Lane, who gave up paying rents years >> ago, >> > but has lately been giving Fitzmaurice an occasional ten shillings. The >> > Corporation will no doubt evict her, and if it is wise it will not relet >> > the house, but knock it down and either let the land as an eligible >> > building site, changing the name of the land to something more cheerful >> > than Grave Lane !, or build a new house on it with all the modern >> > improvements to bring it within the scope of the new Fund and attract a >> > substantial tenant. The modernisation of houses by garages, >> refrigerators, >> > labour saving kitchens, electric cookers is in my view the most obvious >> and >> > civilising line of improvement. >> > Anyhow, I am quite willing to forego and forgive the arrears if that >> will >> > facilitate matters. If the lady can afford to pay ten shillings a week, >> as >> > she is doing, she can afford to rent another dwelling place. >> > Don’t let money stand in the way of a quick and clean settlement. I want >> > to die destitute as far as Eire is concerned. I can afford it. I can’t >> > afford bother. >> > >> > By the way (if it has any relevance) I am technically an Irish >> > citizen as well as a British subject with an English domicile. ( signed >> ) >> > George Bernard Shaw. >> > >> > View Post on Facebook · Edit Email Settings · Reply to this email to >> add a comment. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Part of the property owned by George Bernard Shaw was the ground on which St Anne's church was built....filed as Property # 1 the folio consisted of 6 houses, 4 on the Athy Road and 2 on the northside in Grave Lane.....Property folio # 2 was 2 houses on the Athy Road and 2 on the southside in Grave Lane....property folio # 3 was 1 house on the Athy Road ( first house after Montgomery Street facing the Seven Oaks Hotel ), this is a large building with a double roof and was I believe the last house occupied by relatives of the Gurley family......at least 7 of the original buildings remain standing on the Athy Road .......Property folio # 1A is the ground of the Old Graves on the Barrow Track, some people believe this included the old Town Park ( now named Shaw Park )......the remaining property owned by GBS was / is situated in John Street, Tullow Street, Dublin Street, Centaur Street, Ballymanus Terrace, The Quays. Mostly subject to Ground Rent payments, the income from which was to be directed for the benefit of the Arts in Carlow.....many years ago with the assistance of Dan H. Laurence ( then adviser to the estate of GBS - google him .. ) I attempted to trace the whereabouts of the fund that Shaw proposed for Carlow, all we could establish back then was that the erection of the Christmas Crib on the steps of Carlow Courthouse is funded by the Shaw estate !....Dan Laurence travelled from Canada to investigate this, while he was here he unveiled a Plaque to GBS on one of the buildings Shaw owned in Tullow Street...this was paid for by the sale of a letter from GBS, which I sold by auction, it was purchased for £500 by Malcolmson and Law ....the letter was presented to me by Fred McCombe, grandson of Rowan McCombe ( Rowan was the first person to erect a Plaque to the "Men of 1798" in Graiguecullen, ...the Plaque cost £200 and the remaining £300 went to pay for a Plaque to the memory of Iona McLeod, who had been County Librarian in Carlow for nearly 50 years. This Plaque is erected on another Gurley building opposite Carlow Courthouse .... On 28 August 2012 14:45, JOHN McINTYRE <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Carlow Rootsweb, > > Would anyone know for sure which property which was owned by the Gurly > family on Athy Road in Carlow was lived in by John Duke Gillmore and his > wife Arabella (nee Gurly) in the 1880's. The property was apparently close > to St. Anne's Church. > > Best wishes, > > John McIntyre. > > > Hi John, I think if you just emailed Carlow Rootsweb < > [email protected]> and asked them which house it was, you might > hopefully hear more - if you have Carlow knowledge you're game on to share > on Rootsweb, I'm sure it would be much appreciated. Cheerio for now, Turtle > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "John McIntyre" <[email protected]> > > Date: 27 August 2012 23:20:49 GMT+01:00 > > To: Who was JP <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Who was JP] [Posted on Carlow Rootsweb with note added > by... > > Reply-To: Reply to Comment < > [email protected]ook.com> > > > > John McIntyre commented on your post in Who was JP. > > > > John McIntyre 11:20pm Aug 27 > > Thanks Turtle for this find - I wonder which house it was on the Athy > Road ? I believe it was close to St Anne's Church - is there anyway of > finding out? These premises appear to be where the Gillmore family lived. > Would like to know if it was a nice country residence or a hovel. > > Original Post > > > > Turtle Bunbury 8:05pm Aug 26 > > [Posted on Carlow Rootsweb with note added by Michael Purcell in August > 2012. The following is a recently discovered letter in the Pat Purcell > Papers from the "self-professed World Betterer" George Bernard Shaw, > containing instructions to Malcolmson and Law, Court Place, Carlow. This is > the first time that this letter has ever been made public. George Bernard > Shaw owned 13 proprieties in Carlow town, inherited by him through his > mother's grandfather, Thomas Gurley. The properties were / are situated in > Tullow Street, Dublin Street, John Street, Centaur Street, Ballymanus > Terrace, The Quay, Athy Road, Grave Lane and the Barrow Track. Shaw paid a > visit to Carlow in 1918 to view his property, he stayed in the Railway > Hotel ( now The Irishmans ) he later recalled that the proprietress > presented him with a joint of "Carlow pig" for supper, he explained that he > did not partake of dead animals or their product, she advised him that he > would not live long without eating meat - he died in 1950 from injuries > incurred after falling from a ladder whilst pruning a tree at the age of > 94!] > > > > In 1919 he transferred the Old Assembly Rooms on Dublin Street to the > Carlow Technical Instruction Committee for use as a Technical school (in > > later years the Carlow County Library was situated in the building). > > In 1944 Shaw set about handing over the remainder of his Carlow estate to > > be held for the common benefit of the people of Carlow, however he found > > that Carlow Town Council could not accept his gift as they had no > authority > > to accept gifted property. > > In 1944 Shaw wrote to Eamon de Valera requesting that his government pass > > an Act to enable Carlow Town Council to accept his gift. > > In 1945 Dev's Minister for Local Government, Sean McEntee, passed the > Local > > Authorities ( Acceptance of Gifts ) Bill, 1945. > > Mr McEntee stated " at present local authorities had no power to acquire > > property by way of gift, the passing of this Bill would enable a local > > authority to accept gifts of property, but only on condition that they > > adopted schemes of civic improvement in their areas and devoted the gifts > > for the purposes provided for in the schemes and once a scheme was framed > > it could not be altered except by an Order of the High Court. > > > > For further examples of Shaw's letters concerning his property in Carlow > > see the article " Shaw's bequest to Carlow" by Sean O'Shea published in > > Carlovina 1998. > > > > Transcribed by Selina Lawlor. > > > > Pat Purcell Papers 1944. > > > > 4, Whitehall Court, London. S.W.I. > > > > Ayot. St. Lawrence, Nr. Welwyn Herts. > > > > Station: Wheathampstead, L N.E.R. 2½ Miles. > > > > Telegrams: Bernard Shaw, Codicote. > > > > Telephone: Codicote 218. > > > > 7 September 1944 > > > > Dear Mr. Law > > I forgot to say on my card that it would be very convenient if we could > > get the transfer executed on the 29th Sept .thereabouts as that is a gale > > day, and the Carlow Corporation could take the succeeding half years rent > > leaving me the rent just falling due. I don’t know whether there are such > > things as hanging gales nowadays; but if so we can ignore them, and > > consider the real dates and not the nominal ones. > > As to arrears, I hope there won’t be any. Can you get Walsh out, and his > > tenant in by the 29th and the house repaired at my cost (Major > Fitzmaurice > > knows my views and has ample funds of mine) so that I can hand over the > > premises in a settled, solvent and waterproof condition? > > Then there is the tenant at Grave Lane, who gave up paying rents years > ago, > > but has lately been giving Fitzmaurice an occasional ten shillings. The > > Corporation will no doubt evict her, and if it is wise it will not relet > > the house, but knock it down and either let the land as an eligible > > building site, changing the name of the land to something more cheerful > > than Grave Lane !, or build a new house on it with all the modern > > improvements to bring it within the scope of the new Fund and attract a > > substantial tenant. The modernisation of houses by garages, > refrigerators, > > labour saving kitchens, electric cookers is in my view the most obvious > and > > civilising line of improvement. > > Anyhow, I am quite willing to forego and forgive the arrears if that will > > facilitate matters. If the lady can afford to pay ten shillings a week, > as > > she is doing, she can afford to rent another dwelling place. > > Don’t let money stand in the way of a quick and clean settlement. I want > > to die destitute as far as Eire is concerned. I can afford it. I can’t > > afford bother. > > > > By the way (if it has any relevance) I am technically an Irish > > citizen as well as a British subject with an English domicile. ( signed ) > > George Bernard Shaw. > > > > View Post on Facebook · Edit Email Settings · Reply to this email to add > a comment. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Transcribed by Selina Lawlor. Pat Purcell Papers. 1818. By Walter Kavanagh, Esquire, one of his Majesty's Justices of peace for Carlow. The Examination of James Malone of Bauk in Carlow, Farmer, who being this Day duly Sworn on the Holy Evangelists deposeth and Sayth, that on Monday the sixteenth Day of March 1818 about the hour of eight of the Clock in the forenoon, Gerald Doyle of Bauk, a Farmer, came into the House of James Malone, and called James Malone's daughter (aged about fourteen years ) for a key, which having procured, he entered by a door on the Gable, which opened to the upper or second loft or story of the house, and being aided and assisted by John Callahan of Bauk ( servant of the said Gerald Doyle ), Alexander Doyle, Senior, Alexander Doyle, Junior and John Murphy all of Ballyling, Carlow, Farmers, did then and there cut away the said loft, with Saws, Hatchets and other implements, and instantly after cutting down the remaining loft, which lofts they carried away on Carrs, drawn by Gerald Doyle's Horses together with said door, the frame of said door, and serveral collar braces which they tore by force from off the Rafters of said house - that James Malone has occupied and paid rent for the said house these twelve years past, the last gale of which he paid to said Gerald Doyle on the Sixth Day of March 1818 - James Malone further sayeth that he several times entreated the said Gerald Doyle to forbear from cutting down said lofts , the under one at least as they were his chief protection from the inclemency of the weather (the roof being in a ruinious state) which said Gerald Doyle refused to comply with, saying that he would make but one Day's Work of it, and further James Malone Sayth not - Sworn before me this being 19th Day of March 1818 being first truly read to James Malone. (signed) James, his X mark, Malone. (signed) Walter Kavanagh.

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Hi, Could someone fill me in on Irish marriages? I believe RC's had to pay tithe to the Church of Ireland, did that carry over to getting married and children's baptisms in the late 1700's early 1800's? I'm wondering if I should be looking for my folks in the C of I? Thanks, Denny Carroll Denny Carroll Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Hi Michelle, not sure if anyone answered this but if they were Presbyterian, and I suspect they were, I think you need to contact the Rev SW Rea at 13 Oak Park Drive, Carlow who should have baptisms back to 1820 but I think only marriages from 1845 ... unless there are some in the earliest session minute book. All best for now, Turtle > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Michelle Wilson" <[email protected]> >> Date: 26 August 2012 17:54:51 GMT+01:00 >> To: "Ireland-carlow" <[email protected]> >> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] Rozel Adams >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> >> Would anyone know the names of the parents of Rozel Adams who married Patience Rodgers March 3rd 1843 in Carlow. Also any of his siblilngs. I think he may have been related to my Elizabeth (Eliza) Adams and her father John Adams. >> >> I tried looking in the Irish BMD's and found the marriage and some of the baptism of some of their chidren but no B or D for either Rozel or Patience. >> Michelle W. >> Vermont USA >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Carlow Rootsweb, Would anyone know for sure which property which was owned by the Gurly family on Athy Road in Carlow was lived in by John Duke Gillmore and his wife Arabella (nee Gurly) in the 1880's. The property was apparently close to St. Anne's Church. Best wishes, John McIntyre. Hi John, I think if you just emailed Carlow Rootsweb <[email protected]> and asked them which house it was, you might hopefully hear more - if you have Carlow knowledge you're game on to share on Rootsweb, I'm sure it would be much appreciated. Cheerio for now, Turtle Begin forwarded message: > From: "John McIntyre" <[email protected]> > Date: 27 August 2012 23:20:49 GMT+01:00 > To: Who was JP <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Who was JP] [Posted on Carlow Rootsweb with note added by... > Reply-To: Reply to Comment <[email protected]ook.com> > > John McIntyre commented on your post in Who was JP. > > John McIntyre 11:20pm Aug 27 > Thanks Turtle for this find - I wonder which house it was on the Athy Road ? I believe it was close to St Anne's Church - is there anyway of finding out? These premises appear to be where the Gillmore family lived. Would like to know if it was a nice country residence or a hovel. > Original Post > > Turtle Bunbury 8:05pm Aug 26 > [Posted on Carlow Rootsweb with note added by Michael Purcell in August 2012. The following is a recently discovered letter in the Pat Purcell Papers from the "self-professed World Betterer" George Bernard Shaw, containing instructions to Malcolmson and Law, Court Place, Carlow. This is the first time that this letter has ever been made public. George Bernard Shaw owned 13 proprieties in Carlow town, inherited by him through his mother's grandfather, Thomas Gurley. The properties were / are situated in Tullow Street, Dublin Street, John Street, Centaur Street, Ballymanus Terrace, The Quay, Athy Road, Grave Lane and the Barrow Track. Shaw paid a visit to Carlow in 1918 to view his property, he stayed in the Railway Hotel ( now The Irishmans ) he later recalled that the proprietress presented him with a joint of "Carlow pig" for supper, he explained that he did not partake of dead animals or their product, she advised him that he would not live long without eating meat - he died in 1950 from injuries incurred after falling from a ladder whilst pruning a tree at the age of 94!] > > In 1919 he transferred the Old Assembly Rooms on Dublin Street to the Carlow Technical Instruction Committee for use as a Technical school (in > later years the Carlow County Library was situated in the building). > In 1944 Shaw set about handing over the remainder of his Carlow estate to > be held for the common benefit of the people of Carlow, however he found > that Carlow Town Council could not accept his gift as they had no authority > to accept gifted property. > In 1944 Shaw wrote to Eamon de Valera requesting that his government pass > an Act to enable Carlow Town Council to accept his gift. > In 1945 Dev's Minister for Local Government, Sean McEntee, passed the Local > Authorities ( Acceptance of Gifts ) Bill, 1945. > Mr McEntee stated " at present local authorities had no power to acquire > property by way of gift, the passing of this Bill would enable a local > authority to accept gifts of property, but only on condition that they > adopted schemes of civic improvement in their areas and devoted the gifts > for the purposes provided for in the schemes and once a scheme was framed > it could not be altered except by an Order of the High Court. > > For further examples of Shaw's letters concerning his property in Carlow > see the article " Shaw's bequest to Carlow" by Sean O'Shea published in > Carlovina 1998. > > Transcribed by Selina Lawlor. > > Pat Purcell Papers 1944. > > 4, Whitehall Court, London. S.W.I. > > Ayot. St. Lawrence, Nr. Welwyn Herts. > > Station: Wheathampstead, L N.E.R. 2½ Miles. > > Telegrams: Bernard Shaw, Codicote. > > Telephone: Codicote 218. > > 7 September 1944 > > Dear Mr. Law > I forgot to say on my card that it would be very convenient if we could > get the transfer executed on the 29th Sept .thereabouts as that is a gale > day, and the Carlow Corporation could take the succeeding half years rent > leaving me the rent just falling due. I don’t know whether there are such > things as hanging gales nowadays; but if so we can ignore them, and > consider the real dates and not the nominal ones. > As to arrears, I hope there won’t be any. Can you get Walsh out, and his > tenant in by the 29th and the house repaired at my cost (Major Fitzmaurice > knows my views and has ample funds of mine) so that I can hand over the > premises in a settled, solvent and waterproof condition? > Then there is the tenant at Grave Lane, who gave up paying rents years ago, > but has lately been giving Fitzmaurice an occasional ten shillings. The > Corporation will no doubt evict her, and if it is wise it will not relet > the house, but knock it down and either let the land as an eligible > building site, changing the name of the land to something more cheerful > than Grave Lane !, or build a new house on it with all the modern > improvements to bring it within the scope of the new Fund and attract a > substantial tenant. The modernisation of houses by garages, refrigerators, > labour saving kitchens, electric cookers is in my view the most obvious and > civilising line of improvement. > Anyhow, I am quite willing to forego and forgive the arrears if that will > facilitate matters. If the lady can afford to pay ten shillings a week, as > she is doing, she can afford to rent another dwelling place. > Don’t let money stand in the way of a quick and clean settlement. I want > to die destitute as far as Eire is concerned. I can afford it. I can’t > afford bother. > > By the way (if it has any relevance) I am technically an Irish > citizen as well as a British subject with an English domicile. ( signed ) > George Bernard Shaw. > > View Post on Facebook · Edit Email Settings · Reply to this email to add a comment.

Michael I notice in the photograph of the chapel of Carlow College the stations of the cross, these were originally installed in the Cathedral in Carlow in 1966,67 but for some reason moved to the college chapel , does anyone know why? I wonder how many people in Carlow in the 1950/60s knew this chapel existed. or St Joseph's behind the main college building. When was it built what contractor built it ? It looks like a early 1960s edifice. I would like to know if the Air Conditioning system installed in the Cathedral in the mid 1960s is still in the attic, must be how could they get it out. What did it cost ? it could never have worked, it did make a lot of noise! I think its time that more of this complex of Church "owned" buildings was available for the public to visit in detail. What else is stored in the attic.? It seems to me that a lot of Catholic Church construction work was carried out by those in the inner circle and those who would lend their "professional" ? advice on the basis of "God bless you my son" e.g. Concrete roof tiles on Carlow Cathedral! PD On 26 August 2012 19:25, Michael Brennan <[email protected]>wrote: > Some of you may not be aware of the following website which I find > absolutely fascinating. > >

Mick, Thanks for posting this letter! I'm a big GBS fan, so I appreciate this glimpse into his connection to Carlow. Karen.

Transcribed by Selina Lawlor Pat Purcell Papers 1836. The Informations of Nicholas Fitzgerald of Bagenalstown in said County who being duly sworn and examined saith that he seen John Byrne of Bagenalstown coming out of the house of Maria McNamara with a small bag containing Cloths, about nine o’clock on the night of the 8th April saith he saw William Ward in his company a few minutes before - Saith that said John Byrne wanted Nicholas Fitzgerald to watch for him until he would rob Mrs McNamaras house on said night and also wanted Nicholas Fitzgerald to assist to rob Robert Edwards of the loan money saith the said Ward and Byrne told him that they had stolen out of a car at the door of Martin Nowlan of Bagenalstown a bag containing two hundred of herrings, two pairs of shoes and two stone of flour which they sold to Mary Corcoran and Catherine Richardson now in custody, the shoes for one shilling a pair, the herrings for two shillings and the flour for one shilling – saith the said Ward and Byrne wanted Nicholas Fitzgerald to steal two pigs from Thomas Murphy of Bagenalstown, a Stone Cutter and sell them in Kilkenny and told him not to fear and that it was not the first pigs they stole. (signed) Nicholas, his X mark, Fitzgerald. Taken and acknowledged before me on this 11th day of April 1836. (signed) Philip Bagenal. Before signing being truly read to Nicholas Fitzgerald by William Payne, Clerk of Petty Sessions.