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    1. Re: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages
    2. Al Valentine

    3. Thanks Dougie, I still need to know if the legal age to be married at the time was 18, 16, or 12 or some other age. That would determine what then would be called "under age". Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dougie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages > hi > full age is 21 or over > regards > Dougie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Valentine" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:58 PM > Subject: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages > > > > Belfast Listers > > > > I have two questions and please don't laugh. I have my great > > grandfather's wedding certificate from 1858 that states his age as Full. > > How old do you have to be to qualify as full? > > Here is the kicker, my great grandmother is listed as under age.How young > > do you have to be to be listed as under age? They went on to raise ten > > children. > > The answers may be of interest to others on the list. > > Al Valentine > > > > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > > Comments, suggestions and criticisms regarding list matters should be sent > > privately to the List Administrator at ~ > > [email protected] > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.23/99 - Release Date: 12/09/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.23/99 - Release Date: 12/09/2005 > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to visit the IRL-BELFAST-CITY Website at ~ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jassie/belfast/index.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

    09/14/2005 03:40:24
    1. Re: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages
    2. Ann Hunt

    3. Hello Al I may be wrong here - I occasionally am - but I think 'under age' refers to being under 21. Anybody under 21 needed parent or guardians consent to the marriage. A marriage where one of the participants was aged less than the legal requirement would not have been allowed - it would have been illegal and no churchman (priest/vicar/minister) or registrar would have performed the ceremony if they had known one of the parties was under the legal age for marriage. That doesn't stop somebody declaring they are older than they are and being married under age, but it would have been kept secret. In England in 1858 the legal age for marriage was 12 for girls, but I don't know about Ireland. Take care - Ann, Oakerthorpe, Derbyshire Researching WALKER in Belfast 1800-1900 > Thanks Dougie, > I still need to know if the legal age to be married at the time was 18, > 16, > or 12 or some other age. That would determine what then would be called > "under age". > Al > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dougie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages > > >> hi >> full age is 21 or over >> regards >> Dougie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Al Valentine" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:58 PM >> Subject: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages >> >> >> > Belfast Listers >> > >> > I have two questions and please don't laugh. I have my great >> > grandfather's wedding certificate from 1858 that states his age as >> > Full. >> > How old do you have to be to qualify as full? >> > Here is the kicker, my great grandmother is listed as under age.How > young >> > do you have to be to be listed as under age? They went on to raise ten >> > children. >> > The answers may be of interest to others on the list. >> > Al Valentine >> > >> > >> > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== >> > Comments, suggestions and criticisms regarding list matters should be > sent >> > privately to the List Administrator at ~ >> > [email protected] >> > >> > ============================== >> > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.23/99 - Release Date: > 12/09/2005 >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.23/99 - Release Date: >> 12/09/2005 >> >> >> ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget to visit the IRL-BELFAST-CITY Website at ~ >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jassie/belfast/index.html >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > The list archives can be searched or browsed at ~ > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-BELFAST-CITY.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

    09/14/2005 09:51:31
    1. Re: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages
    2. Al Valentine

    3. Hi Ann, Thanks for the info. If it was 12 in England at the time, would it not have been the same for Ireland as they were all under the Westminster Parliament? The same laws would apply throughout the United Kingdom. Maybe some legal listers might let us know. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Hunt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages > Hello Al > > I may be wrong here - I occasionally am - but I think 'under age' refers to > being under 21. Anybody under 21 needed parent or guardians consent to the > marriage. > > A marriage where one of the participants was aged less than the legal > requirement would not have been allowed - it would have been illegal and no > churchman (priest/vicar/minister) or registrar would have performed the > ceremony if they had known one of the parties was under the legal age for > marriage. > > That doesn't stop somebody declaring they are older than they are and being > married under age, but it would have been kept secret. > > In England in 1858 the legal age for marriage was 12 for girls, but I don't > know about Ireland. > > Take care - Ann, Oakerthorpe, Derbyshire > Researching WALKER in Belfast 1800-1900 > > > Thanks Dougie, > > I still need to know if the legal age to be married at the time was 18, > > 16, > > or 12 or some other age. That would determine what then would be called > > "under age". > > Al > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dougie" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages > > > > > >> hi > >> full age is 21 or over > >> regards > >> Dougie > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Al Valentine" <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:58 PM > >> Subject: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages > >> > >> > >> > Belfast Listers > >> > > >> > I have two questions and please don't laugh. I have my great > >> > grandfather's wedding certificate from 1858 that states his age as > >> > Full. > >> > How old do you have to be to qualify as full? > >> > Here is the kicker, my great grandmother is listed as under age.How > > young > >> > do you have to be to be listed as under age? They went on to raise ten > >> > children. > >> > The answers may be of interest to others on the list. > >> > Al Valentine > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > >> > Comments, suggestions and criticisms regarding list matters should be > > sent > >> > privately to the List Administrator at ~ > >> > [email protected] > >> > > >> > ============================== > >> > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >> > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >> > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.23/99 - Release Date: > > 12/09/2005 > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.23/99 - Release Date: > >> 12/09/2005 > >> > >> > >> ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > >> Don't forget to visit the IRL-BELFAST-CITY Website at ~ > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jassie/belfast/index.html > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > > The list archives can be searched or browsed at ~ > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-BELFAST-CITY.html > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > NEVER open an attachment unless you are expecting it or you know exactly what it is. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

    09/14/2005 04:46:01
    1. Re: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages
    2. Dick Dunlap

    3. Al; The full legal age for marriage was 21 years of age. If the party marrying was that age or over more often than not the word "Full" would be put in the "Age" column. If the person were not 21 or older the actual age would always be placed in that column. Having looked at hundreds of marriage registrations I've never seen one below 16 with the majority of the underages being 18,19, or 20. And my impresson is that no more than 5% of those i reviewed were under full legal age. Hope this helps. Dick Dunlap ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Valentine" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages > Thanks Dougie, > I still need to know if the legal age to be married at the time was 18, > 16, > or 12 or some other age. That would determine what then would be called > "under age". > Al > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dougie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages > > >> hi >> full age is 21 or over >> regards >> Dougie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Al Valentine" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:58 PM >> Subject: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages >> >> >> > Belfast Listers >> > >> > I have two questions and please don't laugh. I have my great >> > grandfather's wedding certificate from 1858 that states his age as >> > Full. >> > How old do you have to be to qualify as full? >> > Here is the kicker, my great grandmother is listed as under age.How > young >> > do you have to be to be listed as under age? They went on to raise ten >> > children. >> > The answers may be of interest to others on the list. >> > Al Valentine >> > >> > >> > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== >> > Comments, suggestions and criticisms regarding list matters should be > sent >> > privately to the List Administrator at ~ >> > [email protected] >> > >> > ============================== >> > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.23/99 - Release Date: > 12/09/2005 >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.23/99 - Release Date: >> 12/09/2005 >> >> >> ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget to visit the IRL-BELFAST-CITY Website at ~ >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jassie/belfast/index.html >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > The list archives can be searched or browsed at ~ > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-BELFAST-CITY.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

    09/18/2005 04:23:47