This is a great idea, how do we make it happen? Mike On 11/13/07, Al Valentine <alvals@mts.net> wrote: > > > The area that is the weakest is that of Irish records, due to many > reasons. What would really be of help would be to have searchable on line > the civil registration indexes of births, marriages and deaths. It will not > give you much but would be an invaluable beginning for sorting out the > "Possibles". The GRO offices already have this but you have to go there and > have them use it on your behalf. They could increase their actual sales of > actual certificates immensely if the indexes were widely available on line. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Your message is not very specific which makes it hard to understand but it sounds to me as though you are trying to find a B Do r M within the period of Registration - is that correct ? The indexes to Civil Registration are available through the LDS. They are also available at my local LDS so if you have a particular request I could look this up for you. The films are by event by year alphabetically in quarters. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford -----Original Message----- From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Al Valentine Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 5:15 AM To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Subject: [BELFAST] Records The area that is the weakest is that of Irish records, due to many reasons. What would really be of help would be to have searchable on line the civil registration indexes of births, marriages and deaths. It will not give you much but would be an invaluable beginning for sorting out the "Possibles". The GRO offices already have this but you have to go there and have them use it on your behalf. They could increase their actual sales of actual certificates immensely if the indexes were widely available on line. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ireland is so wonderfully behind the times! Apart from not being able to search online, Irish folk were so relaxed about spellings - much more so than the English, Scots and Welsh. Whatever databases that do exist, like UHF, are so expensive to use, and incomplete. I've given up with that for both my Irish ancestral lines. My Morgan's seem to have jumped back and forth between Belfast and the shores of the Firth of Forth - no Welsh anywhere. My Hegan ancestors could be Hagan, Hagen, Heggan, Hagin, Higgin or almost anything similar. Access to all of these has defeated me for most of the last 10 years. I've spent time at PRONI with some success (but some of those films are totally illegible), and GRONI have been very helpful. However, without spending months in Belfast and Dublin I doubt I'll ever find more from pre-1860. At least I found the graves of my 4 great-grandparents, but that's where I'm still stuck from 7 years ago. Maybe in another 10 years we'll get co-ordinated - perhaps once the Census project is complete? Chris Morgan Sheffield ----- Original Message ----- From: "R L Young" <rsqyoung@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Records > My reply to Al Valentine's message was on the understanding that > Ireland, (North and South), BMD's need to be indexed in Electronic form > such as FREEBMD in the UK. And I totally agree with him > > Microfiche, paper copies were fine once upon a time, and we are all > grateful to the LDS centres, but in nearly 2008 so much more can be > gained by, index and sorting these electronically in a decent database, > by date. > > People spend hours huddle over microfiches in LDS centre, many folk > duplicating other people efforts, often missing the vital entries. > > Or if anyone is in any doubt about what I mean, the system used in > Edinburgh at New Register House is first class, or not quite so > convenient and expensive Scotlandspeople. > > Lookups done by other folk are fantastic and always gratefully received. > I also do lots too. But these usually only try to answer specific > questions. How often has a query been solved and another two or three > generated by the answer? And browsing indexes usually raises so many > more queries and answers. > > Come on everyone, how does one get the system changed? > > 1. Scotlands got it and linked to certificates. > 2. England and Wales are well behind but have FreeDMD and the likes of > 1837online > 3. Ireland nothing > > RLY

I agree 100%. But I am sure it's a perception that if they did that their revenue stream would dry up. You know what power the bean counters wield. We all know that for every clue we find it drums up another 16 questions to be found . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Valentine" <alvals@mts.net> > To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Records > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:55:27 -0600 > > > Being of Irish parentage, it is my birth right to stir up a hornet's nest > every once in a while. One thing that needs to be emphasized is THE FACT > THAT THESE BMD INDEXES ARE ALREADY IN DIGITISED FORMAT AND HAVE BEEN FOR > YEARS IN THE GRO IN DUBLIN AND GRONI IN BELFAST. > WHY DO THEY NOT PUT THEM ON LINE? > > If anyone is reading this and agrees. Please send an email to both of the > above institutions with a reasoned request to take the necessary steps to > make matters much easier for all of us. After all it is to their advantage, > as they will sell a lot more certificates. > > If you are not in agreement, then please post and tell us your objection. > That way we can get a dialogue going on this topic. > > With respect > Al Valentine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R L Young" <rsqyoung@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:28 AM > Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Records > > > > My reply to Al Valentine's message was on the understanding that > > Ireland, (North and South), BMD's need to be indexed in Electronic form > > such as FREEBMD in the UK. And I totally agree with him > > > > Microfiche, paper copies were fine once upon a time, and we are all > > grateful to the LDS centres, but in nearly 2008 so much more can be > > gained by, index and sorting these electronically in a decent database, > > by date. > > > > People spend hours huddle over microfiches in LDS centre, many folk > > duplicating other people efforts, often missing the vital entries. > > > > Or if anyone is in any doubt about what I mean, the system used in > > Edinburgh at New Register House is first class, or not quite so > > convenient and expensive Scotlandspeople. > > > > Lookups done by other folk are fantastic and always gratefully received. > > I also do lots too. But these usually only try to answer specific > > questions. How often has a query been solved and another two or three > > generated by the answer? And browsing indexes usually raises so many > > more queries and answers. > > > > Come on everyone, how does one get the system changed? > > > > 1. Scotlands got it and linked to certificates. > > 2. England and Wales are well behind but have FreeDMD and the likes of > > 1837online > > 3. Ireland nothing > > > > RLY > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valerie > > Garton > > Sent: 13 November 2007 07:29 > > To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Records > > > > Your message is not very specific which makes it hard to understand but > > it sounds to me as though you are trying to find a B Do r M within the > > period of Registration - is that correct ? > > > > The indexes to Civil Registration are available through the LDS. They > > are also available at my local LDS so if you have a particular request I > > could look this up for you. > > > > The films are by event by year alphabetically in quarters. > > > > Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. > > Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow > > & Wexford > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Al Valentine > > Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 5:15 AM > > To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BELFAST] Records > > > > > > > > The area that is the weakest is that of Irish records, due to many > > reasons. What would really be of help would be to have searchable on > > line the civil registration indexes of births, marriages and deaths. It > > will not give you much but would be an invaluable beginning for sorting > > out the "Possibles". 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My reply to Al Valentine's message was on the understanding that Ireland, (North and South), BMD's need to be indexed in Electronic form such as FREEBMD in the UK. And I totally agree with him Microfiche, paper copies were fine once upon a time, and we are all grateful to the LDS centres, but in nearly 2008 so much more can be gained by, index and sorting these electronically in a decent database, by date. People spend hours huddle over microfiches in LDS centre, many folk duplicating other people efforts, often missing the vital entries. Or if anyone is in any doubt about what I mean, the system used in Edinburgh at New Register House is first class, or not quite so convenient and expensive Scotlandspeople. Lookups done by other folk are fantastic and always gratefully received. I also do lots too. But these usually only try to answer specific questions. How often has a query been solved and another two or three generated by the answer? And browsing indexes usually raises so many more queries and answers. Come on everyone, how does one get the system changed? 1. Scotlands got it and linked to certificates. 2. England and Wales are well behind but have FreeDMD and the likes of 1837online 3. Ireland nothing RLY -----Original Message----- From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valerie Garton Sent: 13 November 2007 07:29 To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Records Your message is not very specific which makes it hard to understand but it sounds to me as though you are trying to find a B Do r M within the period of Registration - is that correct ? The indexes to Civil Registration are available through the LDS. They are also available at my local LDS so if you have a particular request I could look this up for you. The films are by event by year alphabetically in quarters. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford -----Original Message----- From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Al Valentine Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 5:15 AM To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Subject: [BELFAST] Records The area that is the weakest is that of Irish records, due to many reasons. What would really be of help would be to have searchable on line the civil registration indexes of births, marriages and deaths. It will not give you much but would be an invaluable beginning for sorting out the "Possibles". The GRO offices already have this but you have to go there and have them use it on your behalf. They could increase their actual sales of actual certificates immensely if the indexes were widely available on line. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I personally think the old saying of "Born in a cabbage patch, while under the protection of the Witness Protection Program" originated in Ireland. :-P Jackie Christopher Morgan wrote: >Ireland is so wonderfully behind the times! > >Apart from not being able to search online, Irish folk were so relaxed about >spellings - much more so than the English, Scots and Welsh. > >Whatever databases that do exist, like UHF, are so expensive to use, and >incomplete. I've given up with that for both my Irish ancestral lines. My >Morgan's seem to have jumped back and forth between Belfast and the shores >of the Firth of Forth - no Welsh anywhere. My Hegan ancestors could be >Hagan, Hagen, Heggan, Hagin, Higgin or almost anything similar. Access to >all of these has defeated me for most of the last 10 years. I've spent time >at PRONI with some success (but some of those films are totally illegible), >and GRONI have been very helpful. However, without spending months in >Belfast and Dublin I doubt I'll ever find more from pre-1860. At least I >found the graves of my 4 great-grandparents, but that's where I'm still >stuck from 7 years ago. > >Maybe in another 10 years we'll get co-ordinated - perhaps once the Census >project is complete? > >Chris Morgan >Sheffield > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "R L Young" <rsqyoung@blueyonder.co.uk> >To: <irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:28 PM >Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Records > > > > >>My reply to Al Valentine's message was on the understanding that >>Ireland, (North and South), BMD's need to be indexed in Electronic form >>such as FREEBMD in the UK. And I totally agree with him >> >>Microfiche, paper copies were fine once upon a time, and we are all >>grateful to the LDS centres, but in nearly 2008 so much more can be >>gained by, index and sorting these electronically in a decent database, >>by date. >> >>People spend hours huddle over microfiches in LDS centre, many folk >>duplicating other people efforts, often missing the vital entries. >> >>Or if anyone is in any doubt about what I mean, the system used in >>Edinburgh at New Register House is first class, or not quite so >>convenient and expensive Scotlandspeople. >> >>Lookups done by other folk are fantastic and always gratefully received. >>I also do lots too. But these usually only try to answer specific >>questions. How often has a query been solved and another two or three >>generated by the answer? And browsing indexes usually raises so many >>more queries and answers. >> >>Come on everyone, how does one get the system changed? >> >>1. Scotlands got it and linked to certificates. >>2. England and Wales are well behind but have FreeDMD and the likes of >>1837online >>3. Ireland nothing >> >>RLY >> >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Thanks Valerie You are one of the many kind souls that help out others all the time on this list. My point is that it would be so much easier and less time consuming it we could go on line and look up from our home computers these BMD Indexes. Since the work is already done, there should not be any real problem bringing this about. Sun is shining here today in Winnipeg as well. Best Regards Al Valentine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Garton" <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> To: <irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Records > Your message is not very specific which makes it hard to understand but > it sounds to me as though you are trying to find a B Do r M within the > period of Registration - is that correct ? > > The indexes to Civil Registration are available through the LDS. They > are also available at my local LDS so if you have a particular request I > could look this up for you. > > The films are by event by year alphabetically in quarters. > > Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. > Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow > & Wexford > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Al Valentine > Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 5:15 AM > To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BELFAST] Records > > > > The area that is the weakest is that of Irish records, due to many > reasons. What would really be of help would be to have searchable on > line the civil registration indexes of births, marriages and deaths. It > will not give you much but would be an invaluable beginning for sorting > out the "Possibles". The GRO offices already have this but you have to > go there and have them use it on your behalf. They could increase their > actual sales of actual certificates immensely if the indexes were widely > available on line. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Being of Irish parentage, it is my birth right to stir up a hornet's nest every once in a while. One thing that needs to be emphasized is THE FACT THAT THESE BMD INDEXES ARE ALREADY IN DIGITISED FORMAT AND HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS IN THE GRO IN DUBLIN AND GRONI IN BELFAST. WHY DO THEY NOT PUT THEM ON LINE? If anyone is reading this and agrees. Please send an email to both of the above institutions with a reasoned request to take the necessary steps to make matters much easier for all of us. After all it is to their advantage, as they will sell a lot more certificates. If you are not in agreement, then please post and tell us your objection. That way we can get a dialogue going on this topic. With respect Al Valentine ----- Original Message ----- From: "R L Young" <rsqyoung@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Records > My reply to Al Valentine's message was on the understanding that > Ireland, (North and South), BMD's need to be indexed in Electronic form > such as FREEBMD in the UK. And I totally agree with him > > Microfiche, paper copies were fine once upon a time, and we are all > grateful to the LDS centres, but in nearly 2008 so much more can be > gained by, index and sorting these electronically in a decent database, > by date. > > People spend hours huddle over microfiches in LDS centre, many folk > duplicating other people efforts, often missing the vital entries. > > Or if anyone is in any doubt about what I mean, the system used in > Edinburgh at New Register House is first class, or not quite so > convenient and expensive Scotlandspeople. > > Lookups done by other folk are fantastic and always gratefully received. > I also do lots too. But these usually only try to answer specific > questions. How often has a query been solved and another two or three > generated by the answer? And browsing indexes usually raises so many > more queries and answers. > > Come on everyone, how does one get the system changed? > > 1. Scotlands got it and linked to certificates. > 2. England and Wales are well behind but have FreeDMD and the likes of > 1837online > 3. Ireland nothing > > RLY > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valerie > Garton > Sent: 13 November 2007 07:29 > To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Records > > Your message is not very specific which makes it hard to understand but > it sounds to me as though you are trying to find a B Do r M within the > period of Registration - is that correct ? > > The indexes to Civil Registration are available through the LDS. They > are also available at my local LDS so if you have a particular request I > could look this up for you. > > The films are by event by year alphabetically in quarters. > > Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. > Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow > & Wexford > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Al Valentine > Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 5:15 AM > To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BELFAST] Records > > > > The area that is the weakest is that of Irish records, due to many > reasons. What would really be of help would be to have searchable on > line the civil registration indexes of births, marriages and deaths. It > will not give you much but would be an invaluable beginning for sorting > out the "Possibles". The GRO offices already have this but you have to > go there and have them use it on your behalf. They could increase their > actual sales of actual certificates immensely if the indexes were widely > available on line. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could not agree more -----Original Message----- From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Al Valentine Sent: 12 November 2007 18:15 To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Subject: [BELFAST] Records The area that is the weakest is that of Irish records, due to many reasons. What would really be of help would be to have searchable on line the civil registration indexes of births, marriages and deaths. It will not give you much but would be an invaluable beginning for sorting out the "Possibles". The GRO offices already have this but you have to go there and have them use it on your behalf. They could increase their actual sales of actual certificates immensely if the indexes were widely available on line. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The area that is the weakest is that of Irish records, due to many reasons. What would really be of help would be to have searchable on line the civil registration indexes of births, marriages and deaths. It will not give you much but would be an invaluable beginning for sorting out the "Possibles". The GRO offices already have this but you have to go there and have them use it on your behalf. They could increase their actual sales of actual certificates immensely if the indexes were widely available on line.

Thank you for your reply Eddie. Also thank you for pointing out that my signature is now out of date as I have now found that the family moved to Belfast and died there. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford -----Original Message----- From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Edward Connolly Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 11:33 PM To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Belfast Newsletter Valerie There is and index of the Newsletter up to 1800. You can find the details here http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/bnl/ As for the rest... There is no index of BMDs! There are a few listed on my own website and there may be a few elsewhere but what you want cannot be done unless you look through the paper itself. Have you tried contact your National Library? They may be able to get copies of the Newsletter on microfilm. Also... according to your tag you are researching the names in Dublin etc so you would really need to check those papers first. Eddie News Extracts: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~econnolly/ My Genealogy: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/e.connolly/ Street Directory Lookups: http://lookups.eamped.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Valerie Garton <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 11 November, 2007 12:48:07 AM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Belfast Newsletter Births, deaths and marriages for the name CULLODEN from the Alphabetical Index to BDM's from 1801-1863. I would also like to know if the are any records prior to 1801 please ? Thank you very much Edward. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford -----Original Message----- From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Edward Connolly Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 8:41 AM To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Belfast Newsletter Hi Valerie Do you mean the current Newsletter or from the archives? What is it you have written? Eddie News Extracts: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~econnolly/ My Genealogy: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/e.connolly/ Street Directory Lookups: http://lookups.eamped.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Valerie Garton <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> To: IRL-BELFAST-CITY@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 10 November, 2007 9:06:43 PM Subject: [BELFAST] Belfast Newsletter Does anyone know how or where I can get some information from the Belfast Newsletter as I have done some research and can not understand what I have written - sound familiar to anyone ? Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes I know what the years of slogging mean but don't we get a real high when we found something. I am going to the Parramatta LDS this week and could look up the reference needed to get your marriage certificate if you would like ? Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford -----Original Message----- From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Oddie Brown Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 4:26 PM To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BELFAST] BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and HIGGINSON family research ? Thanks Valerie - in answer to your question, I use dozens of resources. Mostly it is years of slogging. I will try another avenue to answer this question. Thanks though, Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada THE SILVER BOWL: http://www.thesilverbowl.com FAMILY TREE: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Garton" <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> To: <irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and HIGGINSON family research ? Hi Sharon Unfortunately I do not have a dial up service long enough to look at your web sites. My manuscript does not go to your timeframe. You are so lucky. Why don't you get the marriage certificate ? Can I ask which reference book you are using for your research as I could possibly recommend a better one ? Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford -----Original Message----- From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Oddie Brown Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 1:23 PM To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BELFAST] BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and HIGGINSON family research ? RE: PINKERTON-Elizabeth MENARY marriage. The religion would be Presbyterian; the time frame is likely around the early 1900s; the townland would be Armabreague, Parish of Lisnadill, Co. Armagh. The family would have been leasehold farmers & possibly weavers. My web site beneath has several MENARY pages under the history links. Thanks, Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada THE SILVER BOWL: http://www.thesilverbowl.com FAMILY TREE: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Garton" <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> To: <irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and HIGGINSON family research ? I have a hand written manuscript of a PINKERTON Pedigree from the National Archives in Dublin which I found on my last visit there. What period of time are you talking about, where a bouts in Ireland i.e. which townland and what religion ? These are the most important facts to have before starting out on Irish research. Also the occupation is important to know where to look for the records. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford -----Original Message----- From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Oddie Brown Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 9:00 AM To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BELFAST] BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and HIGGINSON family research ? DO you know anything of a PINKERTON-Elizabeth MENARY marriage? Ta, Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada THE SILVER BOWL: http://www.thesilverbowl.com FAMILY TREE: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl RE: I am researching the family of CULLODEN who are also connected to the families of: PINKERTON, BEDDY, ROWAN, DYAS & HIGGINSON. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.27/1121 - Release Date: 11/9/2007 7:29 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sharon Unfortunately I do not have a dial up service long enough to look at your web sites. My manuscript does not go to your timeframe. You are so lucky. Why don't you get the marriage certificate ? Can I ask which reference book you are using for your research as I could possibly recommend a better one ? Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford -----Original Message----- From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Oddie Brown Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 1:23 PM To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BELFAST] BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and HIGGINSON family research ? RE: PINKERTON-Elizabeth MENARY marriage. The religion would be Presbyterian; the time frame is likely around the early 1900s; the townland would be Armabreague, Parish of Lisnadill, Co. Armagh. The family would have been leasehold farmers & possibly weavers. My web site beneath has several MENARY pages under the history links. Thanks, Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada THE SILVER BOWL: http://www.thesilverbowl.com FAMILY TREE: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Garton" <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> To: <irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and HIGGINSON family research ? I have a hand written manuscript of a PINKERTON Pedigree from the National Archives in Dublin which I found on my last visit there. What period of time are you talking about, where a bouts in Ireland i.e. which townland and what religion ? These are the most important facts to have before starting out on Irish research. Also the occupation is important to know where to look for the records. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford -----Original Message----- From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Oddie Brown Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 9:00 AM To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BELFAST] BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and HIGGINSON family research ? DO you know anything of a PINKERTON-Elizabeth MENARY marriage? Ta, Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada THE SILVER BOWL: http://www.thesilverbowl.com FAMILY TREE: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl RE: I am researching the family of CULLODEN who are also connected to the families of: PINKERTON, BEDDY, ROWAN, DYAS & HIGGINSON.

Valerie There is and index of the Newsletter up to 1800. You can find the details here http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/bnl/ As for the rest... There is no index of BMDs! There are a few listed on my own website and there may be a few elsewhere but what you want cannot be done unless you look through the paper itself. Have you tried contact your National Library? They may be able to get copies of the Newsletter on microfilm. Also... according to your tag you are researching the names in Dublin etc so you would really need to check those papers first. Eddie News Extracts: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~econnolly/ My Genealogy: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/e.connolly/ Street Directory Lookups: http://lookups.eamped.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Valerie Garton <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 11 November, 2007 12:48:07 AM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Belfast Newsletter Births, deaths and marriages for the name CULLODEN from the Alphabetical Index to BDM's from 1801-1863. I would also like to know if the are any records prior to 1801 please ? Thank you very much Edward. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford -----Original Message----- From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Edward Connolly Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 8:41 AM To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Belfast Newsletter Hi Valerie Do you mean the current Newsletter or from the archives? What is it you have written? Eddie News Extracts: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~econnolly/ My Genealogy: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/e.connolly/ Street Directory Lookups: http://lookups.eamped.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Valerie Garton <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> To: IRL-BELFAST-CITY@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 10 November, 2007 9:06:43 PM Subject: [BELFAST] Belfast Newsletter Does anyone know how or where I can get some information from the Belfast Newsletter as I have done some research and can not understand what I have written - sound familiar to anyone ? Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

I have a hand written manuscript of a PINKERTON Pedigree from the National Archives in Dublin which I found on my last visit there. What period of time are you talking about, where a bouts in Ireland i.e. which townland and what religion ? These are the most important facts to have before starting out on Irish research. Also the occupation is important to know where to look for the records. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford -----Original Message----- From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Oddie Brown Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 9:00 AM To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BELFAST] BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and HIGGINSON family research ? DO you know anything of a PINKERTON-Elizabeth MENARY marriage? Ta, Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada THE SILVER BOWL: http://www.thesilverbowl.com FAMILY TREE: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl RE: I am researching the family of CULLODEN who are also connected to the families of: PINKERTON, BEDDY, ROWAN, DYAS & HIGGINSON. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Births, deaths and marriages for the name CULLODEN from the Alphabetical Index to BDM's from 1801-1863. I would also like to know if the are any records prior to 1801 please ? Thank you very much Edward. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford -----Original Message----- From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Edward Connolly Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 8:41 AM To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Belfast Newsletter Hi Valerie Do you mean the current Newsletter or from the archives? What is it you have written? Eddie News Extracts: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~econnolly/ My Genealogy: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/e.connolly/ Street Directory Lookups: http://lookups.eamped.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Valerie Garton <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> To: IRL-BELFAST-CITY@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 10 November, 2007 9:06:43 PM Subject: [BELFAST] Belfast Newsletter Does anyone know how or where I can get some information from the Belfast Newsletter as I have done some research and can not understand what I have written - sound familiar to anyone ? Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know how or where I can get some information from the Belfast Newsletter as I have done some research and can not understand what I have written - sound familiar to anyone ? Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford

Good morning from sunny Sydney at 5.30 am. This is my first post to this list. I am researching the family of CULLODEN who are also connected to the families of: PINKERTON, BEDDY, ROWAN, DYAS & HIGGINSON. Does anyone have any connections please Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford

Hi Valerie Do you mean the current Newsletter or from the archives? What is it you have written? Eddie News Extracts: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~econnolly/ My Genealogy: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/e.connolly/ Street Directory Lookups: http://lookups.eamped.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Valerie Garton <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> To: IRL-BELFAST-CITY@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 10 November, 2007 9:06:43 PM Subject: [BELFAST] Belfast Newsletter Does anyone know how or where I can get some information from the Belfast Newsletter as I have done some research and can not understand what I have written - sound familiar to anyone ? Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html

Thanks Valerie - in answer to your question, I use dozens of resources. Mostly it is years of slogging. I will try another avenue to answer this question. Thanks though, Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada THE SILVER BOWL: http://www.thesilverbowl.com FAMILY TREE: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Garton" <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> To: <irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and HIGGINSON family research ? Hi Sharon Unfortunately I do not have a dial up service long enough to look at your web sites. My manuscript does not go to your timeframe. You are so lucky. Why don't you get the marriage certificate ? Can I ask which reference book you are using for your research as I could possibly recommend a better one ? Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford -----Original Message----- From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Oddie Brown Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 1:23 PM To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BELFAST] BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and HIGGINSON family research ? RE: PINKERTON-Elizabeth MENARY marriage. The religion would be Presbyterian; the time frame is likely around the early 1900s; the townland would be Armabreague, Parish of Lisnadill, Co. Armagh. The family would have been leasehold farmers & possibly weavers. My web site beneath has several MENARY pages under the history links. Thanks, Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada THE SILVER BOWL: http://www.thesilverbowl.com FAMILY TREE: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Garton" <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> To: <irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and HIGGINSON family research ? I have a hand written manuscript of a PINKERTON Pedigree from the National Archives in Dublin which I found on my last visit there. What period of time are you talking about, where a bouts in Ireland i.e. which townland and what religion ? These are the most important facts to have before starting out on Irish research. Also the occupation is important to know where to look for the records. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford -----Original Message----- From: irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-belfast-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Oddie Brown Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2007 9:00 AM To: irl-belfast-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BELFAST] BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and HIGGINSON family research ? DO you know anything of a PINKERTON-Elizabeth MENARY marriage? Ta, Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada THE SILVER BOWL: http://www.thesilverbowl.com FAMILY TREE: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl RE: I am researching the family of CULLODEN who are also connected to the families of: PINKERTON, BEDDY, ROWAN, DYAS & HIGGINSON. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-BELFAST-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.27/1121 - Release Date: 11/9/2007 7:29 PM