Hello Glen Thank you so much for your kind offer, even though it wasn't possible in the end! Robert and Elizabeth married in Sheffield and I have their marriage certificates which is where I got father John's name from. It will have to be PR's to find a marriage for John WALKER and unknown spouse, I suppose. Thanks very much indeed again for your help and very kind offer. Regards - Ann Hunt, Oakerthorpe, Derbyshire > I was in a little rush. Birth Registation did not start until the 1860s. > The only other way I can think of would be maybe the marriage index. > Marriages were registered starting in 1845. > > Glen Alderson >

Dear Brian, Thank you for your e-mail and for the two web site addresses. What a great idea. I will include the URLS with the next batch of photos I put on my web site. There is always the chance that somebody will find the photos and web site addresses of help to them with their research. Thanks again. It was very thoughtful of you to send the web sites to me. Best wishes. Jean McCarthy nee Moore http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/

Hello List I am searching for the origins of my great grandfather Robert James WALKER, born in Belfast on 29th September 1854 and I would be grateful for some pointers as to where to look.. He went to Sheffield, Yorkshire sometime after 1871 (or he missed the 1871 census). He married Mary Ann SLATER in 1876 in Sheffield. On their marriage certificate Robert's father was named as John Walker, Grocer Robert's sister Elizabeth WALKER, born about 1861, married Mary Ann SLATER's brother Thomas SLATER in Sheffield in 1882. On their marriage certificate Elizabeth's father was named as John Walker, Gentleman. Are there any Grocers' federations or the like, that might have lists of names so I can pinpoint the area of Belfast they came from. I only have their father's name not their mother's name. Though I suspect the mother might possible be Martha as both Robert and Elizabeth named one of their daughters Martha - a name not found in the Slater tree for the past 100 years. Any help would be gratefully received. Regards - Ann in Oakerthorpe, Derbyshire, England

If you are going to be in the North there are a lot of Beatsons in and around the Randalstown Staffordsown area just outside of Belfast Peter Boyle -------------- Original message -------------- > Hello everyone! I am visiting Dublin next month and plan to spend time doing > some research. To be 100% clear before I go, I thought I'd ask the group two > questions... > > 1. Can I view 1901/1911 Census records for Belfast at the National Archives? > 2. Where would be the best place in Dublin to go through Belfast City > Directories (possibly some for Glasgow) say 1890 to 1940? > > If viewing these records proves to be problematic, I might be able to swing a > day trip to Belfast. But staying in Dublin would be ideal. I'm looking for > Belfast records (Falls Road area). > > Many thanks for any advice. > > Dana Beatson > (researching primarily Beatson and M'Gronan) > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > Under no circumstances should VIRUS/HOAX/CHAIN warnings/messages be sent to the > list. They have nothing to do with genealogy/family history. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Recently, someone asked about a Commercial Travellers association and I have just came across the following which might help someone. Irish News January 19 1920: In this issue, there was an article about the 17th Annual General Meeting of the United Kingdom Commercial Travellers Association, held in the Central Hall, Rosemary Street, Belfast on Saturday 17th 1920. The membership had increased to 363 members and the new officers for 1920 were as follows: Chairman, Mr John Campbell; vice-chairman, Mr James.V.Gosney; treasurer, Mr A.Lee Richardson; secretary, Mr Jas.A. M�Geown; hon. Counsel, Mr Henry Hanna, KC; hon. Solicitor, Mr S.G.Crymble, LLB; representative on chamber of commerce, Mr W.H.Andrews, JP.; committee, Messrs. H. Russell, Frank Taylor, J.A Stanfield, A.G.Wallace, H.Faloon, Robt. Green, J.H.Tisley, G. Cassells, W.G.Stronge, J.R. Marr, W.H.Andrews, JP, W.B.Jones, W Curry, Hugh Grahame, F.M.Edmundson, George Hutchinson. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!

Dear Ann I was in a little rush. Birth Registation did not start until the 1860s. The only other way I can think of would be maybe the marriage index. Marriages were registered starting in 1845. Glen Alderson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Hunt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:59 AM Subject: [BELFAST] Robert James WALKER > Hello List > > I am searching for the origins of my great grandfather Robert James > WALKER, born in Belfast on 29th September 1854 and I would be grateful for > some pointers as to where to look.. > > He went to Sheffield, Yorkshire sometime after 1871 (or he missed the 1871 > census). > > He married Mary Ann SLATER in 1876 in Sheffield. On their marriage > certificate Robert's father was named as John Walker, Grocer > > Robert's sister Elizabeth WALKER, born about 1861, married Mary Ann > SLATER's brother Thomas SLATER in Sheffield in 1882. On their marriage > certificate Elizabeth's father was named as John Walker, Gentleman. > > Are there any Grocers' federations or the like, that might have lists of > names so I can pinpoint the area of Belfast they came from. I only have > their father's name not their mother's name. Though I suspect the mother > might possible be Martha as both Robert and Elizabeth named one of their > daughters Martha - a name not found in the Slater tree for the past 100 > years. > > Any help would be gratefully received. > > Regards - Ann in Oakerthorpe, Derbyshire, England > > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > NEVER open an attachment unless you are expecting it or you know exactly > what it is. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Dear Ann You could order a photcopy of the brith certificate from the General Registar Office in Dublin. Check the website. The certificate wll give you the mothers name. I am going the local FHC tonight so I will lookup the index reference for the births and get back to you. Glen Alderson Calgary Alberta Canada

Jane, Is a passport essential or will another form of I.D., such as an electoral card, do? I may try and get to Dublin sometime this year for a first time visit to NAI etc and would hate to be turned away for not having proper I.D. Thanks Brian "Dr. Jane Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: You need to have your passport with you when you visiti the NAI or NLI in orer to get a readers ticket - and best to have a passport sized photo for the NLI, unless you wil only be there for one day - then you'll probably get a day pass. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!

Dana, You can view the 1901 and 1911 census for Belfast in Dublin at the National Archives. The census is not indexed by surname - so you need to know which streets you want to look at. Jean McCarthy has an index on line that deals mainly with the surname she is interested in Moore - but, other people have also contributed their transcripts of either Belfast census to her web site. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/ I have a bit of an index currently on line http://www.from-ireland.net/censabstracts/ant/1901/belfast/a/astreets.htm will lead you to the beginning - I think I only have A and B streets on line so far, I should have more before the end of this month. Jean and I both have search engines on our sites, so, you can use those to check your surname. Belfast directories - then you need to pay a visit to the National Library. You need to have your passport with you when you visiti the NAI or NLI in orer to get a readers ticket - and best to have a passport sized photo for the NLI, unless you wil only be there for one day - then you'll probably get a day pass. You'll also be able to get photocopies of any BMD (CIVIL not parish) records for Belfast pre 1922 at the GRO in Dublin. Roman Catholic parish records - the National Library - NLI Chuirch of Ireland records - the NAtional Archives NAI or else the Chrurch Representative Body Library in Churchtown. Pre 1922 - outside of estate records, you'll probably find most of what is in Belfast in Dublin - somewhere. Jane X-Message: #4 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:54:05 -0400 (EDT) >From: Dana Beatson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Belfast Research in Dublin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Hello everyone! I am visiting Dublin next month and plan to spend time doing some research. To be 100% clear before I go, I thought I'd ask the group two questions... 1. Can I view 1901/1911 Census records for Belfast at the National Archives? 2. Where would be the best place in Dublin to go through Belfast City Directories (possibly some for Glasgow) say 1890 to 1940? If viewing these records proves to be problematic, I might be able to swing a day trip to Belfast. But staying in Dublin would be ideal. I'm looking for Belfast records (Falls Road area).

Hello everyone! I am visiting Dublin next month and plan to spend time doing some research. To be 100% clear before I go, I thought I'd ask the group two questions... 1. Can I view 1901/1911 Census records for Belfast at the National Archives? 2. Where would be the best place in Dublin to go through Belfast City Directories (possibly some for Glasgow) say 1890 to 1940? If viewing these records proves to be problematic, I might be able to swing a day trip to Belfast. But staying in Dublin would be ideal. I'm looking for Belfast records (Falls Road area). Many thanks for any advice. Dana Beatson (researching primarily Beatson and M'Gronan)

Hi Jean, I was in Belfast last summer and took a picture of St. Mary's R C church. How do I send it to you, as an attachment? I have never been able to find any pictures of it on line, so I made a point of getting this shot when I was there. I believe it was built it 1784, so it may be the oldest R C church in Belfast. Please let me know the procedure. Mary in CT, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: Church Photos > > Church Photos on my web site at the link below. > > Alternatively, type: Jean McCarthy into the GOOGLE search engine for a > direct link. > > I have added sixteen more photographs to the church photos page on my > web > site. These have been kindly donated by Walt in Florida, Ruth in County > Armagh > and Denise and Helen who live elsewhere. The new photos are of Tullyallen > Presbyterian and Mountnorris Presbyterian Churches in County Armagh, St. > Michael > ’s Parish Church Belfast (off the Shankill Road), St Annes’s Belfast, > Hillsborough C of I, Hillsborough Presbyterian, St Coleman’s R.C. Church > Dromore > County Down, C of I Cathedral Dromore County Down and the Presbyterian > Church > Dromore County Down. Very many sincere thanks to Walt, Ruth, Denise and > Helen > who very kindly shared these photos with us all. > I hope to add more photos of churches in the future as and when they are > donated for the web site. So if anyone has got any church photos that > they would > like to see on my web site, I will be very happy to post them. I think it > is > wonderful to be able to perhaps see the photos of the church where our > ancestors were baptised, married or buried. Particularly if it allows > some folks > to view the photos who may never get to Ireland to see them in reality. > Kindest Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore. Staffordshire, England. > > My own main names of interest: MOORE, (Ireland, Canada & Australia) > BOWDEN, > (Ireland, New Zealand, Tasmania & Australia) HAWTHORNE. (Ireland and > Pennsylvania) In Co Down, Co Armagh & Co Antrim Ireland: McCALLISTER, > McAULEY, FLINN, > STRAIN, SPRATT, McCLENAGHAN & KENNEDY. > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/ > > ______________________________ >

The Dromore and Banbridge birth records on my website has been updated, Loughbrickland birth records will be updated in a few days time. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/05

Jean McCarthy, From your Belfast board messages, you are researching Kennedys. In my ancestry, I have Kennedys from Urney Parish, County Tyrone. Might they be the same ones? Vern

Church Photos on my web site at the link below. Alternatively, type: Jean McCarthy into the GOOGLE search engine for a direct link. I have added sixteen more photographs to the church photos page on my web site. These have been kindly donated by Walt in Florida, Ruth in County Armagh and Denise and Helen who live elsewhere. The new photos are of Tullyallen Presbyterian and Mountnorris Presbyterian Churches in County Armagh, St. Michael ’s Parish Church Belfast (off the Shankill Road), St Annes’s Belfast, Hillsborough C of I, Hillsborough Presbyterian, St Coleman’s R.C. Church Dromore County Down, C of I Cathedral Dromore County Down and the Presbyterian Church Dromore County Down. Very many sincere thanks to Walt, Ruth, Denise and Helen who very kindly shared these photos with us all. I hope to add more photos of churches in the future as and when they are donated for the web site. So if anyone has got any church photos that they would like to see on my web site, I will be very happy to post them. I think it is wonderful to be able to perhaps see the photos of the church where our ancestors were baptised, married or buried. Particularly if it allows some folks to view the photos who may never get to Ireland to see them in reality. Kindest Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore. Staffordshire, England. My own main names of interest: MOORE, (Ireland, Canada & Australia) BOWDEN, (Ireland, New Zealand, Tasmania & Australia) HAWTHORNE. (Ireland and Pennsylvania) In Co Down, Co Armagh & Co Antrim Ireland: McCALLISTER, McAULEY, FLINN, STRAIN, SPRATT, McCLENAGHAN & KENNEDY. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/

Jean, Seeing as you are adding photos of chapels and churches, have you thought of adding web site links as well? Here are 2 from West Belfast in case you want to use them. http://www.stpeterscathedralbelfast.com/ http://www.clonard.com/default.htm Brian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Belfast Weekly News April 15 1893: Deaths: M�CORMICK: April 7 at her fathers residence, 116(?) Canmore Street, Belfast. Mary Ann, the beloved daughter of James and Annie M�Cormick. American papers please copy� J.M�Cormick. Missing Friends: POGUE: Wanted to know the whereabouts of Robert Pogue, of Lurganbee, Castleblayney, County Monaghan, who left for America 28 years ago. When last heard of he was a railway conductor in New York. � Mary Pogue, Lislea Post Office, County Armagh, Ireland. STEENSON � BURKE: Information wanted of Mary Ann Steenson ( Mrs G. Smith) and S. Burke, natives of Gilford, County Down, Ireland, last heard of as residing at Brisbane about welve years ago. Replies thankfully acknowledged by Mrs John Irwin, Gilford, County Down, Ireland. Australian papers please copy. TAYLOR: Wanted information concerning the same, or any friends of John M�Ilraith, of Ireland. Hugh M�Ilraith, 4 South Shamrock Street, Glasgow. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page

Brian, NOW I remember what the deal is with Raglan St. Here is what comes from the 1901/1911 street index: Falls: 1901 only Odds 1-47, 49-63 Evens 2-28, 30-148 1911 Falls Evens 2-70 Odds 49-63 Smithfield Evens 72-148 Odds 1-47 As you can see, no 106 in either the 1901 or the 1911 9 Pinkerton St. 1911 Bridget Corr 60, Widow, b. Co. Tyrone Read/Write - - - Married 27 years 7 children 6 survived (scratched out) - - - Bridget Corr 20, Daughter, b. Belfast Read/Write both RC.

Hello all, if anyone has any type of directories for Belfast, Templepatrick, Whiteabbey area around 1883 could they please check for PAGE name. Any will do as they are such a brick wall. I do know that John Alexander Page was born Nov 9 1883 and I have his cert. I also know that his parents were Joseph Page son of William and Margaret Patterson daughter of John. They were married in Carrickfergus in 1878. If anyone can help with anything I would be indebted for life :-) Jackie in Canada -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.18 - Release Date: 19/04/2005

Belfast Weekly News April 8 1893: Missing Friends. MACDONALD: Wanted to know the whereabouts of Robert MacDonald, compositor; last heard of in 1889 at Mary�s Lane Dublin. Inquirer.- his brother William, 85(?) Bamber Street, Paddington, Liverpool. M�ELDERRY: Wanted information as to the whereabouts o Annie M�Elderry, last heard of in November 1892 in the employment of Mrs Gilliland, Belfast, as servant. Any information regarding her will be thankfully received by her mother, Mrs Jane Harris(?) Bushmills. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

McKENZIE ~ O'NEIL ~ SULLIVAN ~ SHEEHAN ~ MADDEN ~ DONOVAN DALEY ~ McINTIRE ~ McKENNA ~ McCARTHY ~ McLEOD ~ KENNY ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Greetings Folks , Hope your enjoying the great spring weather. Essential info all on 1st portion of page 1. Looking for listers who can share ship list place name "Ballymoney" (place of residence) Ireland to America via Liverpool, Eng c. 1895. Particularly interested in which Ballymoney (several in Ire) it turned out to be. Good luck and all the best with your family search . . . kind regards, Walt McKenzie-NJ-USA [email protected] www.remember-9-11.com *************************************************************** " Due to immigration, after the 1840's Ireland famine, over 33% of Boston's population were from Ireland & Scotland. By 1870 2.5 million, 1900 over 40% and 5 million today are of Irish ancestors." Ireland 7 million Irish Descent : America 50 million ~ Britain 8 million ~ Australia 3 million Canada ? million 1872-1971 Grandpa Walt McKENZIE, Sr. NJ Shore, USA (b. Boston/Somerville*, MA) *Som. in Middlesex Co. has the most of Irish descent with 400,000. Search priorities : Ire ~ Eng ~ Scot 1681-1895 1873-1907 To 1680 " The marvelous Central NJ Shore area, like Boston, has wonderful Ireland & Scotland roots. The first St. Patrick's holiday was declared 3 / 17 / 1780 by General Washington in Morristown, NJ. Kerny, NJ has a large well-known Scottish community. In 2000, Spring Lake, NJ population was 53% of Irish descent followed by Avon & Sea Girt. Then there is the large annual Belmar, NJ St. Patty's Day parade. Today overall, NJ has 1.4 million or 18% of the population claiming to be of Irish descent." **************************************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.18 - Release Date: 4/19/2005