----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Antrim new & updated pages > > In a message dated 4/29/2005 6:52:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > http://www.from-ireland.net/contents/antrimcont.htm > > > > > Dear Jane > I would be interested to know if on your checking the > information you have listed on 4/29/2005 .if you would remember seeing any BRANIFF > NAMES of CO Down and BELFAST Co Antrim. I would appreciate hearing from you > If by any chance you could give me any leads on contacting any historians > around Downpatrick or Portaferry. My g/g/grandfather James Braniff was a > builder of wooden ships and all types of boats around 1800 circa. His son also > JAMES Braniff B 1831. I guess at the age for working which in those days would > have been 12 or 14 years old. he moved to BELFAST to work in the shipyards > as a ships carpenter. He married in 1856 to Margaret Mitchell they had 4 sons. > WILLIAM who at working age was the harbor pilot. > JAMES {my grandfather} was a rigger for the harbor and also at sea. > DAVID was a bookkeeper for the harbor office. > THOMAS K was a shipwright for the harbor . > They were all born 124 Gt. GEORGES St BELFAST CO ANTRIM . > I am interested in my G/G/Grandfather as I have searched for 7 years on him > and have not been able to find out anything on him or his wife or other > siblings as I have some information on the family from JAMES #2 marriage. > I would appreciate any information you may be able to give me .as at my > age 78 years I am not good on the computer . Thank you for your time and > kindness > ELLEN{BRANIFF}DE SOUTER > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > ALWAYS ensure your anti-virus software is kept up-to-date. > NEVER open an attachment until you are positive it is safe. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 29/04/05 > > Easter Gilmer, 80 head Easter Branniff, 38 (Neice or nephew), married James Branniff, 17 son, grandson?,(Claiment) Margaret 9(claiment) Ballyridley Ardquin Ards Up Co. Down Taken from the 1841/51 Census abstracts, Northern Ireland Any use Ellen Raymond -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 29/04/05

Dear Glen Many thanks for your help . Have a good day ELLEN} De Souter.

In a message dated 4/29/2005 6:52:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: http://www.from-ireland.net/contents/antrimcont.htm Dear Jane I would be interested to know if on your checking the information you have listed on 4/29/2005 .if you would remember seeing any BRANIFF NAMES of CO Down and BELFAST Co Antrim. I would appreciate hearing from you If by any chance you could give me any leads on contacting any historians around Downpatrick or Portaferry. My g/g/grandfather James Braniff was a builder of wooden ships and all types of boats around 1800 circa. His son also JAMES Braniff B 1831. I guess at the age for working which in those days would have been 12 or 14 years old. he moved to BELFAST to work in the shipyards as a ships carpenter. He married in 1856 to Margaret Mitchell they had 4 sons. WILLIAM who at working age was the harbor pilot. JAMES {my grandfather} was a rigger for the harbor and also at sea. DAVID was a bookkeeper for the harbor office. THOMAS K was a shipwright for the harbor . They were all born 124 Gt. GEORGES St BELFAST CO ANTRIM . I am interested in my G/G/Grandfather as I have searched for 7 years on him and have not been able to find out anything on him or his wife or other siblings as I have some information on the family from JAMES #2 marriage. I would appreciate any information you may be able to give me .as at my age 78 years I am not good on the computer . Thank you for your time and kindness ELLEN{BRANIFF}DE SOUTER

Brian The letter looks like a L, a closer look with a glass one can see that it could be a T. You state that you have not heard of Lon Street so it must be Ton. A note has been put in the file and this mistake wi ll not be made in the future. Thanks Bill.

Church Photos on my web site at the link below. Alternatively, type: Jean McCarthy into the GOOGLE search engine for a direct link. I have added eighteen more photographs to the church photos pages on my web site. These have been kindly donated by Roy in the UK, Mary in USA, Christine in Vancouver and Liam in the UK. The new photos are of Ballybay Presbyterian Church, St Patrick’s Parish Church Ballymena, Conner Presbyterian Church, Kells Presbyterian Church, St Saviour’s Parish Church Antrim, Presbyterian Non Subscribing Church Dromore County Down, Christ Church C of I Kilmore, Church of Ireland Parish of Down and Hollymount, St. Baithens RC Church St Johnston County Donegal, R. C. Parish Church Fahan (St Mura's) County Donegal, and St Mary's R. C. Parish Church in Belfast. Very many sincere thanks to Roy, Mary, Christine and Liam who very kindly shared these lovely photos with us all. I have got quite a few more church photos that our fellow listers have kindly sent to me. I would hope to get these onto my web site over the weekend. I think it is wonderful to be able to perhaps see the photos of the church where our ancestors were baptised, married or buried. Particularly if it allows some folks to view the photos who may never get to Ireland to see them in reality. Kindest Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore. Staffordshire, England. My own main names of interest: MOORE, (Ireland, Canada & Australia) BOWDEN, (Ireland, New Zealand, Tasmania & Australia) HAWTHORNE. (Ireland and Pennsylvania) In Co Down, Co Armagh & Co Antrim Ireland: McCALLISTER, McAULEY, FLINN, STRAIN, SPRATT, McCLENAGHAN & KENNEDY. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/

Hi Andy, Thank you for all the information you sent on Ship Street. I lived in Belfast for 22 years in the South End. I have printed all 10 pages of information, Thanks again Louie

William, I have never heard of Lon Street. Did you mean Ton Street, Belfast? Brian william foley <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Liist. Edward FLANAGAN resided at 5 Lon Street, Belfast, 1884. His marriage certificate list his father as Hugh FLANAGAN Any information on Hugh FLANAGAN and his wife would be greatly appreciated. many thanks bill. names of interest. MAGEE -Downoatrick. HAGAN -Ballycutter. FLANAGAN -Belfast, Downpatrick. ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== NEVER open an attachment unless you are expecting it or you know exactly what it is. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less.

Hello Liist. Edward FLANAGAN resided at 5 Lon Street, Belfast, 1884. His marriage certificate list his father as Hugh FLANAGAN Any information on Hugh FLANAGAN and his wife would be greatly appreciated. many thanks bill. names of interest. MAGEE -Downoatrick. HAGAN -Ballycutter. FLANAGAN -Belfast, Downpatrick.

Hello Louis, Ship St. was on the North end of Sailortown. Here is a map: http://www.sailortownbelfast.org/streets.htm You can also find a couple of maps of the Sailortown area on Jean McCarthy's web site at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/index2.html Look for Belfast Maps on the left. Ship St. is about where York St. turns to the left and becomes York Rd or Carrickfergus Rd. Andy Airriess

Hi, I have a Thomas Shields living at 51 Ship Street, Belfast. ( Bookkeeper) This was taken from a Street Directory 1861. Could anyone tell me where Ship Street, was or is. If I have the correct Thomas, He had sons Robert,John & daughters Matilda & Sarah. Any help would be appreciated. Louie, Ontario.

Hello Can I respectfully point out that More on Troon. http://members.lycos.co.uk/troonexiles/troonexilesrecords.htm is nothing to do with Troon in Scotland, it is Troon in Cornwall nearly 600 miles away! My father was born in Troon and I have lots of County Down connections with Troon/Ards but also Belfast comes in. I am aware of many other connections too. Names like Young, Baillie, Mahood, Palmer, Hughes, McCappin, Malone, Milligan, Cassidy. I have a number of Moores in the Ards, but not aware of any in Troon yet, but more connections keep creeping out of the woodwork! My Website www.ladyisle.com deals with Troon and I can usually answer many questions either directly or through my contacts. [email protected] family history society is a useful body too. Regards Lindsay Young -----Original Message----- From: Don Kelly [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 27 April 2005 18:25 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Census Troon 1871 More on Troon. http://members.lycos.co.uk/troonexiles/troonexilesrecords.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Telford-Bailie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:52 AM Subject: [BELFAST] Census Troon 1871 > Hello List > > I have been looking at the 1871 census for Troon, Film number 0103960. I > was surprised at the number of Irish people that were living and working > there, I have only taken note of anyone with the name Moore, so I cannot > add any more than that, but this maybe of use to someone. > > Craig-lea, Troon at the John Colville Household. > Catherine Moore, Domestic servant, age 20 yrs, born Ballymena, Co Antrim > > Downanarf?, Troon, at the Orr Household. > Mary Ann Moore Servant 15 yrs Born Ireland > > Temple Hill, Dundonald, Troon. (This family is from Belfast) > Patrick Moore Head 44 yrs, Coal Trimmer. Born Ireland > Margaret J Moore Wife 45 yrs Born Ireland > Alexander Moore Son 16yrs Ex pupil teacher. Unemployed. Born > Ireland. > Jeanie Moore Daug 7yrs Born Troon > Margaret Daug 2yrs Born Troon > > > If anyone recognises the last lot of names, please contact me. > > Richard > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/05 > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to visit the IRL-BELFAST-CITY Website at ~ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jassie/belfast/index.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== The list archives can be searched or browsed at ~ http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-BELFAST-CITY.html ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Brian, Kathleen, & Joe Commercial Travellers were not door to door peddlers. Rather they represented major products and commodities and often worked for substantial wholesale houses.Essentially they would travel around to retail stores or outlets and arrange for their merchandise to be sold and displayed in those retail establishments. They often had exclusive territories and more often than not would work on a commission basis. They formed their own trade association and had a benefit fund etc. as well as a constitution and links to other branches of similar type throughout the UK. Al Valentine Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Belfast Commercial Travellers 1920 > Brian/Kathleen, > > I believe a commercial traveller was a "door-to-door" salesman, as we would > refer to it . > My great grandfather was a commercial traveller (Robert MCKINSTRY) in > Belfast, according to my grandmother's birth certificate in 1899 (they lived on > Chobham Street) and the ship manifest to Phila in 1922. > > I am guessing that was a tough way to make a living! > > Joe Hunter > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > Under no circumstances should VIRUS/HOAX/CHAIN warnings/messages be sent to the list. They have nothing to do with genealogy/family history. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hello List I have been looking at the 1871 census for Troon, Film number 0103960. I was surprised at the number of Irish people that were living and working there, I have only taken note of anyone with the name Moore, so I cannot add any more than that, but this maybe of use to someone. Craig-lea, Troon at the John Colville Household. Catherine Moore, Domestic servant, age 20 yrs, born Ballymena, Co Antrim Downanarf?, Troon, at the Orr Household. Mary Ann Moore Servant 15 yrs Born Ireland Temple Hill, Dundonald, Troon. (This family is from Belfast) Patrick Moore Head 44 yrs, Coal Trimmer. Born Ireland Margaret J Moore Wife 45 yrs Born Ireland Alexander Moore Son 16yrs Ex pupil teacher. Unemployed. Born Ireland. Jeanie Moore Daug 7yrs Born Troon Margaret Daug 2yrs Born Troon If anyone recognises the last lot of names, please contact me. Richard -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/05

Brian/Kathleen, I believe a commercial traveller was a "door-to-door" salesman, as we would refer to it . My great grandfather was a commercial traveller (Robert MCKINSTRY) in Belfast, according to my grandmother's birth certificate in 1899 (they lived on Chobham Street) and the ship manifest to Phila in 1922. I am guessing that was a tough way to make a living! Joe Hunter

More on Troon. http://members.lycos.co.uk/troonexiles/troonexilesrecords.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Telford-Bailie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:52 AM Subject: [BELFAST] Census Troon 1871 > Hello List > > I have been looking at the 1871 census for Troon, Film number 0103960. I > was surprised at the number of Irish people that were living and working > there, I have only taken note of anyone with the name Moore, so I cannot > add any more than that, but this maybe of use to someone. > > Craig-lea, Troon at the John Colville Household. > Catherine Moore, Domestic servant, age 20 yrs, born Ballymena, Co Antrim > > Downanarf?, Troon, at the Orr Household. > Mary Ann Moore Servant 15 yrs Born Ireland > > Temple Hill, Dundonald, Troon. (This family is from Belfast) > Patrick Moore Head 44 yrs, Coal Trimmer. Born Ireland > Margaret J Moore Wife 45 yrs Born Ireland > Alexander Moore Son 16yrs Ex pupil teacher. Unemployed. Born > Ireland. > Jeanie Moore Daug 7yrs Born Troon > Margaret Daug 2yrs Born Troon > > > If anyone recognises the last lot of names, please contact me. > > Richard > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/05 > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to visit the IRL-BELFAST-CITY Website at ~ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jassie/belfast/index.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 > > >

Kathleen, I am not sure, but I would presume he would have went about different areas trying to sell certain products, either to individuals or shops etc. Brian Kathleen Donnelly <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Brian, my great grandfather on my mothers side was Thomas Matthews. He was listed as a Commercial Travler in my grannies marriage certificate in 1899....they lived in English Street. What exactly would he have done? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian magaoidh" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:30 PM Subject: [BELFAST] Belfast Commercial Travellers 1920 > > Recently, someone asked about a Commercial Travellers association and I > have just came across the following which might help someone. > > > > > > Irish News January 19 1920: > > > > In this issue, there was an article about the 17th Annual General Meeting > of the United Kingdom Commercial Travellers Association, held in the > Central Hall, Rosemary Street, Belfast on Saturday 17th 1920. The > membership had increased to 363 members and the new officers for 1920 were > as follows: > Chairman, Mr John Campbell; vice-chairman, Mr James.V.Gosney; treasurer, > Mr A.Lee Richardson; secretary, Mr Jas.A. M'Geown; hon. Counsel, Mr Henry > Hanna, KC; hon. Solicitor, Mr S.G.Crymble, LLB; representative on chamber > of commerce, Mr W.H.Andrews, JP.; committee, Messrs. H. Russell, Frank > Taylor, J.A Stanfield, A.G.Wallace, H.Faloon, Robt. Green, J.H.Tisley, G. > Cassells, W.G.Stronge, J.R. Marr, W.H.Andrews, JP, W.B.Jones, W Curry, > Hugh Grahame, F.M.Edmundson, George Hutchinson. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > NEVER open an attachment unless you are expecting it or you know exactly > what it is. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== The list archives can be searched or browsed at ~ http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-BELFAST-CITY.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hello Brian, my great grandfather on my mothers side was Thomas Matthews. He was listed as a Commercial Travler in my grannies marriage certificate in 1899....they lived in English Street. What exactly would he have done? Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian magaoidh" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:30 PM Subject: [BELFAST] Belfast Commercial Travellers 1920 > > Recently, someone asked about a Commercial Travellers association and I > have just came across the following which might help someone. > > > > > > Irish News January 19 1920: > > > > In this issue, there was an article about the 17th Annual General Meeting > of the United Kingdom Commercial Travellers Association, held in the > Central Hall, Rosemary Street, Belfast on Saturday 17th 1920. The > membership had increased to 363 members and the new officers for 1920 were > as follows: > Chairman, Mr John Campbell; vice-chairman, Mr James.V.Gosney; treasurer, > Mr A.Lee Richardson; secretary, Mr Jas.A. M'Geown; hon. Counsel, Mr Henry > Hanna, KC; hon. Solicitor, Mr S.G.Crymble, LLB; representative on chamber > of commerce, Mr W.H.Andrews, JP.; committee, Messrs. H. Russell, Frank > Taylor, J.A Stanfield, A.G.Wallace, H.Faloon, Robt. Green, J.H.Tisley, G. > Cassells, W.G.Stronge, J.R. Marr, W.H.Andrews, JP, W.B.Jones, W Curry, > Hugh Grahame, F.M.Edmundson, George Hutchinson. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > NEVER open an attachment unless you are expecting it or you know exactly > what it is. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Belfast Listers: I had an interest as my grandfather, James VALENTINE was secretary of the Belfast Branch of this organization in 1911. I was hoping to find out where the old records of this United Kingdom Commercial Travellers Association, Belfast Branch might be housed today. Membership lists would be great as no less than three of my ancestors were commercial travellers. Some records are on deposit at the Modern Records Office, Warwick University, but not those of the Belfast Branch. If anyone can help, please let me know. Thank you Brian for the news reference for 1920. The organization, I believe lasted late into the 1970s so I am hoping someone may know where the records were deposited. Al Valentine ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian magaoidh" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: [BELFAST] Belfast Commercial Travellers 1920 > > Recently, someone asked about a Commercial Travellers association and I have just came across the following which might help someone. > > > > > > Irish News January 19 1920: > > > > In this issue, there was an article about the 17th Annual General Meeting of the United Kingdom Commercial Travellers Association, held in the Central Hall, Rosemary Street, Belfast on Saturday 17th 1920. The membership had increased to 363 members and the new officers for 1920 were as follows: > Chairman, Mr John Campbell; vice-chairman, Mr James.V.Gosney; treasurer, Mr A.Lee Richardson; secretary, Mr Jas.A. M'Geown; hon. Counsel, Mr Henry Hanna, KC; hon. Solicitor, Mr S.G.Crymble, LLB; representative on chamber of commerce, Mr W.H.Andrews, JP.; committee, Messrs. H. Russell, Frank Taylor, J.A Stanfield, A.G.Wallace, H.Faloon, Robt. Green, J.H.Tisley, G. Cassells, W.G.Stronge, J.R. Marr, W.H.Andrews, JP, W.B.Jones, W Curry, Hugh Grahame, F.M.Edmundson, George Hutchinson. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > NEVER open an attachment unless you are expecting it or you know exactly what it is. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Ellen I am sorry I have material to give me the information that you requested. I was going to lookup the brith Index for a other lister but then found that it was before brith registration started. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Robert James WALKER > Dear Glen > I am taking the liberty of following up on someone mail you > corresponded with. I don't know if you are doing lookups if you are I > would > appreciate if you ever come across Braniff from Portaferry Co Down. > The name > I am searching is JAMES BRANIFF He was a builder of Wooden ships circa > 1800. > He also built all models of boats in that era. > He was my g/g/grandfather I got his name from his sons marriage > licence. > His son also James Braniff born 1831 left the family to work in the > shipyards in Belfast co Antrim . He married 1856 to Margaret Mitchell in > Elington > Presbyterian Church in Belfast N Ireland. > They had 4 sons. > William became the harbor pilot > James [my grandfather] was a rigger for the harbor and also at sea. > David was a bookkeeper for the harbor office > Thomas Kennedy Braniff was a shipwright for the harbor. > I have some information on the family from James #2 wedding, but > nothing > on James #1. > I was wondering if by chance you would know if there is any way I could > get in touch with any historians in Co.Down. I'm really sorry if I am > bothering you , but I have been searching for 7 years with no success. > I > appreciate any help you can give me.as I joined 3 different web sites > with not much > help . > Thank You Ellen{BRANIFF]De SOUTER' > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > ALWAYS ensure your anti-virus software is kept up-to-date. > NEVER open an attachment until you are positive it is safe. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Dear Glen I am taking the liberty of following up on someone mail you corresponded with. I don't know if you are doing lookups if you are I would appreciate if you ever come across Braniff from Portaferry Co Down. The name I am searching is JAMES BRANIFF He was a builder of Wooden ships circa 1800. He also built all models of boats in that era. He was my g/g/grandfather I got his name from his sons marriage licence. His son also James Braniff born 1831 left the family to work in the shipyards in Belfast co Antrim . He married 1856 to Margaret Mitchell in Elington Presbyterian Church in Belfast N Ireland. They had 4 sons. William became the harbor pilot James [my grandfather] was a rigger for the harbor and also at sea. David was a bookkeeper for the harbor office Thomas Kennedy Braniff was a shipwright for the harbor. I have some information on the family from James #2 wedding, but nothing on James #1. I was wondering if by chance you would know if there is any way I could get in touch with any historians in Co.Down. I'm really sorry if I am bothering you , but I have been searching for 7 years with no success. I appreciate any help you can give me.as I joined 3 different web sites with not much help . Thank You Ellen{BRANIFF]De SOUTER'