Hi Jean, thanks for replying. I have visited your site many times and appreciate all you have done but I cannot find a street address anywhere. I was hoping there was a directory or something that would give me that info but have not found anything. I found a website that had a voters list for Belfastaround 1912 but couldn't find a Joseph or Margaret and my John would have already been in Canada or on his way. I will keep plugging along but thanks again. If I can help you over here just let me know. Jackie [email protected] wrote: >Hello Jackie, >I have searched the 1901 census for Belfast over a period of eight years. I >ordered the films from my local LDS Family History Centre. There is not an >index for the 1901 census. You would need an address to locate certain >individuals. I just had to wade through hundreds of films but still did not find what >I was looking for. There is quite a lot of information about the 1901 census >on my website including a street directory for Belfast. >If there is anything I can do to help you please just ask. >Kind Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release Date: 16/05/2005

Hello Jackie Just when did your grandfather John leave Ireland for Canada? Was he in Ireland in 1911? Was he married at the time? Was he strongly unionist? I took a quick look and found two John Page entries on the Ulster Covenant of 1911. It is a needle in the haystack solution but it worked for me. Let me know and I will outline the procedure I used to locate my grandfather. Al Valentine Also in Canada Al Valentine Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Serna" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:30 AM Subject: [BELFAST] PAGE/PATTERSON help with brick wall > > > Hello all, I am hoping someone may have some minor little bit of information that could help me break down my stubborn brick wall. With my lack of knowledge of Belfast and the surrounding area I may be asking for impossible help or assistance but if questions not asked, answers never found, they say. > > My grandfather was born John Alexander PAGE Nov 9 1883 and registered in Belfast. His father was Joseph PAGE (railway porter)and mother Margaret PATTERSON. > > I then was able to obtain this information from 22 April 1878 Joymount Church > Joseph Page was a bachelor, over 21, resident at Waringstown, Co. Down, > son of William Page, weaver, and Margaret Patterson was a spinster, over 21, > resident at Castle Dobbs, Carrickfergus, dau. of John Patterson, labourer. > Witnesses were John and Ellen Jane Patterson. > > then a marriage which may be that of Joseph's father. > > 8 August 1854 - Banbridge Registry Office: > William Page, bachelor, over 21, weaver, Mullabrack, son of Thomas Page, farmer, married Martha Geddis, spinster, over 21, weaver, Mullabrack, daughter of Samuel Geddis, farmer. > > > I also came across the marriages of an Alexander Page son of Thomas to > Mary McGlade 12/1/1850 (Tullylish Church of Ireland) and of a Joseph > Page son of Thomas to Margaret Sands 23/4/1852 (Tullylish Church or > Ireland). Perhaps ALexander and Joseph were brothers to William. > > I would really like to find any of these persons in the 1901 census > particularily Joseph, Margaret and John A. but other than Templepatrick > where we were told he was born or Whiteabbey which shows on his > registration I have no idea how to search the 1901 census. Is there > anyway to search by surname like we can here in Canada? > > I am more than willing to return any assistance with research in Ontario. > > Thanks > Jackie in Canada > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release Date: 16/05/2005 > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > Under no circumstances should VIRUS/HOAX/CHAIN warnings/messages be sent to the list. They have nothing to do with genealogy/family history. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

In a message dated 21/05/2005 13:31:17 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hello all, I am hoping someone may have some minor little bit of information that could help me break down my stubborn brick wall. With my lack of knowledge of Belfast and the surrounding area I may be asking for impossible help or assistance but if questions not asked, answers never found, they say. My grandfather was born John Alexander PAGE Nov 9 1883 and registered in Belfast. His father was Joseph PAGE (railway porter)and mother Margaret PATTERSON. I then was able to obtain this information from 22 April 1878 Joymount Church Joseph Page was a bachelor, over 21, resident at Waringstown, Co. Down, son of William Page, weaver, and Margaret Patterson was a spinster, over 21, resident at Castle Dobbs, Carrickfergus, dau. of John Patterson, labourer. Witnesses were John and Ellen Jane Patterson. then a marriage which may be that of Joseph's father. 8 August 1854 - Banbridge Registry Office: William Page, bachelor, over 21, weaver, Mullabrack, son of Thomas Page, farmer, married Martha Geddis, spinster, over 21, weaver, Mullabrack, daughter of Samuel Geddis, farmer. I also came across the marriages of an Alexander Page son of Thomas to Mary McGlade 12/1/1850 (Tullylish Church of Ireland) and of a Joseph Page son of Thomas to Margaret Sands 23/4/1852 (Tullylish Church or Ireland). Perhaps ALexander and Joseph were brothers to William. I would really like to find any of these persons in the 1901 census particularily Joseph, Margaret and John A. but other than Templepatrick where we were told he was born or Whiteabbey which shows on his registration I have no idea how to search the 1901 census. Is there anyway to search by surname like we can here in Canada? I am more than willing to return any assistance with research in Ontario. Thanks Jackie in Canada -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release Date: 16/05/2005 ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== Under no circumstances should VIRUS/HOAX/CHAIN warnings/messages be sent to the list. They have nothing to do with genealogy/family history. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx Hello Jackie, I have searched the 1901 census for Belfast over a period of eight years. I ordered the films from my local LDS Family History Centre. There is not an index for the 1901 census. You would need an address to locate certain individuals. I just had to wade through hundreds of films but still did not find what I was looking for. There is quite a lot of information about the 1901 census on my website including a street directory for Belfast. If there is anything I can do to help you please just ask. Kind Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore

Hello all, I am hoping someone may have some minor little bit of information that could help me break down my stubborn brick wall. With my lack of knowledge of Belfast and the surrounding area I may be asking for impossible help or assistance but if questions not asked, answers never found, they say. My grandfather was born John Alexander PAGE Nov 9 1883 and registered in Belfast. His father was Joseph PAGE (railway porter)and mother Margaret PATTERSON. I then was able to obtain this information from 22 April 1878 Joymount Church Joseph Page was a bachelor, over 21, resident at Waringstown, Co. Down, son of William Page, weaver, and Margaret Patterson was a spinster, over 21, resident at Castle Dobbs, Carrickfergus, dau. of John Patterson, labourer. Witnesses were John and Ellen Jane Patterson. then a marriage which may be that of Joseph's father. 8 August 1854 - Banbridge Registry Office: William Page, bachelor, over 21, weaver, Mullabrack, son of Thomas Page, farmer, married Martha Geddis, spinster, over 21, weaver, Mullabrack, daughter of Samuel Geddis, farmer. I also came across the marriages of an Alexander Page son of Thomas to Mary McGlade 12/1/1850 (Tullylish Church of Ireland) and of a Joseph Page son of Thomas to Margaret Sands 23/4/1852 (Tullylish Church or Ireland). Perhaps ALexander and Joseph were brothers to William. I would really like to find any of these persons in the 1901 census particularily Joseph, Margaret and John A. but other than Templepatrick where we were told he was born or Whiteabbey which shows on his registration I have no idea how to search the 1901 census. Is there anyway to search by surname like we can here in Canada? I am more than willing to return any assistance with research in Ontario. Thanks Jackie in Canada -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release Date: 16/05/2005

Sue Do yu have a copy of the birth certificates? As Margaret was born in 1911 you could get the census for the address on her birth cert. Another item would be email Belfast Library Local History Section for a lookup of street directories. William may be listed under the surname section or if you had a street address they could check that way. I have found that a person may not be listed in both sections. I have a family member that is not listed under the surname section but is listed at an address. The ladies may not have gone to London as there was work in the cotton mills of Lancashire and Liverpool is a crossing point. Also take in to consideration the war years. Glen Alderson

thanks Kay I have the pic now sorry for confusion inprevious email sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grady-Frost Family" <[email protected]> To: "'sos'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:38 AM Subject: RE: [BELFAST] obituaries stevenson > Dear Sue, > > Just received this from a friend in Belfast. His name is Bill Broadhurst, > and he and a friend recently wrote a book, "The Flaming Truth: A History > of > the Belfast Fire Brigade". Our friendship developed through correspondence > between my husband & Bill, as Alan's Grandfather & Uncle were both members > of the Fire Brigade. > > Bill has since met our son, Rob, who was in Belfast in 2004 for the World > Championships of Irish Dance. Bill took him to "Headquarters", introduced > him to the Chief of the Fire Brigade, made sure Rob saw the monument > dedicated to the Firefighters who lost their lives in the line of duty > (His > Gr. Uncle died during WW2 during the Blitz of Belfast), and had a pint of > stout! > > I sent Bill your query, and this was his response: > > Hi Alan, > > I was in Belfast today and went to the newspapers to look up > Margaret Stevenson who died in Feb 1912. > > Attached is a copy from the Belfast Telegraph of her death notice. > > Dundonald cemetary is just past Stormont buildings on the main road to > Dundonald. > > Her husband William Stevenson was born in Glasgow 6th December 1875 and > served > with the Belfast fire brigade from 2nd August 1898 until he himself died > from an > internal haemorrhage on 13th July 1931. > > His address given upon joining the Fire Brigade was 22 White Street, but > at > this stage > I don't know if that was Belfast or Glasgow (I suspect it was Belfast) > His occupation upon joining was given as a Checker. > > It is unfortunate that the information we have doesn't give any real > background to his wife > Margaret. > > But I hope that this will give your wife something to go on with her > friend > Sue in Australia. > > Hope this helps! > Kay Grady Frost > >> sos <[email protected]> wrote: >> hi listers would SKS look up an obit for Margaret Stevenson, died Feb >> 1912 - >> residence, belfast fire brigade >> thanks sue > >

Hi Kay thanks for the info, yes I have a copy of the flaming truth, i started looking thru for references of my ggrandfather and became really interested and read from cover to cover (i know that is what is meant to be ha ha) the book was given to me by a Pauline Burnside from melbourne, whose husband worked in the Belfast fire brigade in the 60's i believe i hear about the book from a cousin in South Carolina who has since given me the reference details for the photos of my ggrandfather William Stevenson thank you again for the info, i look forward to hearing if there is an obit for Margaret Stevenson i have photos of the dundonald cemetery and the info of those interned there - sksouls on this list organised that for me thanks again sue from Perth > Dear Sue, > > > > Just received this from a friend in Belfast. His name is Bill Broadhurst, > and he and a friend recently wrote a book, "The Flaming Truth: A History > of > the Belfast Fire Brigade". Our friendship developed through correspondence > between my husband & Bill, as Alan's Grandfather & Uncle were both members > of the Fire Brigade. > > > > Bill has since met our son, Rob, who was in Belfast in 2004 for the World > Championships of Irish Dance. Bill took him to "Headquarters", introduced > him to the Chief of the Fire Brigade, made sure Rob saw the monument > dedicated to the Firefighters who lost their lives in the line of duty > (His > Gr. Uncle died during WW2 during the Blitz of Belfast), and had a pint of > stout! > > > > I sent Bill your query, and this was his response: > > > > Hi Alan, > > > > I was in Belfast today and went to the newspapers to look up Margaret > Stevenson who died in Feb 1912. > > > > Attached is a copy from the Belfast Telegraph of her death notice. > > > > Dundonald cemetary is just past Stormont buildings on the main road to > Dundonald. > > > > Her husband William Stevenson was born in Glasgow 6th December 1875 and > served with the Belfast fire brigade from 2nd August 1898 until he himself > died from an internal haemorrhage on 13th July 1931. > > > > His address given upon joining the Fire Brigade was 22 White Street, but > at > this stage > > I don't know if that was Belfast or Glasgow (I suspect it was Belfast) His > occupation upon joining was given as a Checker. > > > > It is unfortunate that the information we have doesn't give any real > background to his wife Margaret. > > > > But I hope that this will give your wife something to go on with her > friend > Sue in Australia. > > > > Hope this helps! > > Kay Grady Frost > > > >> sos <[email protected]> wrote: > >> hi listers would SKS look up an obit for Margaret Stevenson, died Feb > >> 1912 - > >> residence, belfast fire brigade > >> thanks sue > > > > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > Comments, suggestions and criticisms regarding list matters should be sent > privately to the List Administrator at ~ > [email protected] > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Dear Sue, Just received this from a friend in Belfast. His name is Bill Broadhurst, and he and a friend recently wrote a book, "The Flaming Truth: A History of the Belfast Fire Brigade". Our friendship developed through correspondence between my husband & Bill, as Alan's Grandfather & Uncle were both members of the Fire Brigade. Bill has since met our son, Rob, who was in Belfast in 2004 for the World Championships of Irish Dance. Bill took him to "Headquarters", introduced him to the Chief of the Fire Brigade, made sure Rob saw the monument dedicated to the Firefighters who lost their lives in the line of duty (His Gr. Uncle died during WW2 during the Blitz of Belfast), and had a pint of stout! I sent Bill your query, and this was his response: Hi Alan, I was in Belfast today and went to the newspapers to look up Margaret Stevenson who died in Feb 1912. Attached is a copy from the Belfast Telegraph of her death notice. Dundonald cemetary is just past Stormont buildings on the main road to Dundonald. Her husband William Stevenson was born in Glasgow 6th December 1875 and served with the Belfast fire brigade from 2nd August 1898 until he himself died from an internal haemorrhage on 13th July 1931. His address given upon joining the Fire Brigade was 22 White Street, but at this stage I don't know if that was Belfast or Glasgow (I suspect it was Belfast) His occupation upon joining was given as a Checker. It is unfortunate that the information we have doesn't give any real background to his wife Margaret. But I hope that this will give your wife something to go on with her friend Sue in Australia. Hope this helps! Kay Grady Frost > sos <[email protected]> wrote: > hi listers would SKS look up an obit for Margaret Stevenson, died Feb > 1912 - > residence, belfast fire brigade > thanks sue

I wonder whether anyone is visiting PRONI and would kindly look up the following for me:- Lisburn, ANT. Christ Church (formerly Nicholson Memorial) - Proni Ref. 185 I am looking for Dunlop names between 1840 and 1870 (especially those in the 1850's) Many thanks and any help is greatly appreciated. Alma Burpengary, Queensland, Australia.

With sincere apologies to the listowner, may I please post the following message? Anyone who has sent me an e-mail in the last week and is waiting for a reply, would you please re-send your message? I have had a major computer meltdown and have lost everything. I will be able to reply to you now on my back-up computer but I will need your messages to refer to. Sincere apologies for any inconvenience caused. Kind Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore

Hello Jean, Many thanks for your reply. I've visited your site many times, but will have another look. I'll check the LDS site out. I've already looked at the LDS Catalogue CD I have here at home, but the online site may have more listed. Bye for now Alma > Hello Alma, > I am sorry that I cannot help you with information about Christ Church > School in Belfast. However, I do know that the LDS do have school records > and > registers for many schools on film. I have searched some of them. Try a > search on > my website at the link below using the search engine and you will find > some > Dunlop names as well as some school records. There are many schools > listed in > the 1901 records on my website too. > I hope that this might be of some help to you. Kind Regards. Jean > McCarthy > nee Moore

Hello Everyone, Could anyone please advise me whether there is/was a school named Christ Church School in Belfast? If so, what part of Belfast and would the school register be available? I am looking for a family of Dunlops who were supposed to have been educated at this school. Two boys in the family (born 1846 and 1853) founded a very successful business in Bradford, Yorkshire in 1881, after working for Messrs. Ward and Hodgkinson, Hackle and Gill Makers of Belfast, when they left school. Hoping someone can help me. Kind regards Alma Willis

Names on my list WARNOCK, MCKISSACK, MELVILLE, MCCONACHY, HARPER ,BURNSIDE. Can anyone help with any of these Many Thanks Pauline Melbourne Australia

In a message dated 17/05/2005 10:00:51 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello Everyone, Could anyone please advise me whether there is/was a school named Christ Church School in Belfast? If so, what part of Belfast and would the school register be available? Hoping someone can help me. Kind regards Alma Willis Hello Alma, I am sorry that I cannot help you with information about Christ Church School in Belfast. However, I do know that the LDS do have school records and registers for many schools on film. I have searched some of them. Try a search on my website at the link below using the search engine and you will find some Dunlop names as well as some school records. There are many schools listed in the 1901 records on my website too. I hope that this might be of some help to you. Kind Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/

To Al, Thanking you kindly for your response, time, and the information on certificates. It is most helpful to know what these may contain. Sincerely grateful for your assistance. Regards, Marina Christchurch, New Zealand.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Marina & Bruce Borland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:47 AM Subject: [BELFAST] DEATH and BIRTH CERTIFICATE DATA > To Al, > > Thanking you kindly for your response, time, and the information on > certificates. It is most helpful to know what these may contain. > Sincerely grateful for your assistance. > > Regards, > > Marina > Christchurch, > New Zealand. > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > ALWAYS ensure your anti-virus software is kept up-to-date. > NEVER open an attachment until you are positive it is safe. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 > >

Can someone please relate what information is likely to be found on death and birth certificates for the era 1870 onwards? Understand there will be variances on certificates. Thanking you. Marina Christchurch New Zealand.

thanks Glen will do sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Alderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] ulster volunteer forces in WW1 > Sue > Do a search for the Public Records Office in Kew England (National > Achives). There are limited service records from the 1st World War due to > bombing and a fire during the 2nd World war. There is a searchable > database of the Medal Index Cards. I have had a look and there is 441 > William Stevenson. Several of these William Stevenson have Irish > connections. > Glen Alderson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sos" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 6:47 PM > Subject: [BELFAST] ulster volunteer forces in WW1 > > >> Hi folks >> >> can anyone tell me if there is an official list of soldiers who fought in >> WW1 and where I could find it online >> >> seeking William Stevenson b 1875 d 1932 - was member of UVF at the >> western front >> >> thanks >> >> Sue fro Perth Western Australia >> >> >> ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== >> Under no circumstances should VIRUS/HOAX/CHAIN warnings/messages be sent >> to the list. They have nothing to do with genealogy/family history. >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to visit the IRL-BELFAST-CITY Website at ~ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jassie/belfast/index.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi Marina and Bruce, Birth certificates generally have and I am copying one from Dublin in 1868 the following information. Superintendent Registrar's District and Registrar's District on the top line. The year is given, the District in the Union of ______in the County of _____ and the city if applicable in Heading. There follows: No.__ Date & Place of Birth ________ Name if any _____ Sex ____ Name & surname & Dwelling Place of Father___ Name & surname & Maiden Name of Mother __ Rank or Profession of Father ____ Signature, Qualification & Residence of Informant (usually the father)______ When registered._____ Signature of Registrar ______ Baptismal name if added after the notification of birth date ______Usually blank because people did not bother to go back and add it in. Death Certificates generally have in addition to the Header information similar to the birth certificate about the District etc. the following specifics. This is from one in Belfast 1914 No. __ Date & Place of Death _____ Sex ___ Condition ____married, widowed etc. Age last birthday _____(can be unreliable) Rank, Profession or Occupation ____ Certified cause of death and duration of illness __ Signature, Qualifications,& Residence of Informant _____ When registered ___ Signature of Registrar ______ Marriage certificates are frustrating as ages are rarely given just The statement "full" although they do have occupations, and names of the fathers of the bride and groom with their occupations and the residences of the bride and groom at the time of the marriage and the place and religion of the ceremony performed. Hope this helps. Al Valentine Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marina & Bruce Borland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 2:04 AM Subject: [BELFAST] DEATH and BIRTH CERTIFICATE DATA > Can someone please relate what information is likely to be found on death and birth certificates for the era 1870 onwards? Understand there will be variances on certificates. > > Thanking you. > > Marina > Christchurch > New Zealand. > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a new e-mail with the word - unsubscribe - as the only one in the body of the message to ~ [email protected] replacing the -L- with a -D- if in 'Digest' mode. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Brian: I just came across your posting and you have some information on the Culbert family. I wondered if you have any connection to this family. Miss Agnes HUNSDALE . Kilmood wife of William Culbert; mother of John b. 1868 & Agnes b. 1869 I think she might be the sister to Hans Hunsdale who would be a gg grandfather in my family. Hope to hear from you. Brenda Anderson Ontario, Canada brian magaoidh wrote: >Bonnie, >Going through some of my own records, I have come across a Richard Culbert, 38 Spinner St, Belfast. My notes say I got it from a list of Belfast Voters, 1885-86. >I also know that a William Culbert lived in Spinner St in l920s +. >Hope this is of some help to you. >Brian > >Bonnie Guerin <[email protected]> wrote: > > >Hi all, >I ask from time to time so here I go again. I'm looking on any information >on Henry Culbert, obits or last known address. Born around 1916 in Belfast >to Richard Culbert & Elizabeth (Lillie Nesbitt) Culbert.Bonnie > > > > >==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== >Don't forget to visit the IRL-BELFAST-CITY Website at ~ >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jassie/belfast/index.html > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > >==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== >The list archives can be searched or browsed at ~ >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-BELFAST-CITY.html > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > >