Thanks Chris, It all looks very promising. Agnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Morgan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Belfast Street Maps >> I have a list of streets where my ancestors once lived in Belfast >> (Utility St, Boundary St, > Hopes Place, Melbourne St, Lillyput St, Dayton Street, Richmond St/Sq?, > Tilley St and > Lousia St.) >> Could anyone tell me how I would go about purchasing early street maps to >> show > exactly where, and how far apart the streets are/where from one another? > I could try > PRONI but means I would have to go there in person, any other suggestions? > > Your best bet is Alan Godfrey Maps at http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/ > > Their online catalogue is at http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/acatalog/ > > Ulster maps are at > http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/acatalog/Northern_Ireland.html > > Remember Belfast is mostly in Co. Antrim, but partly in Co. Down. > > These maps are excellent value for money as they show the streets so > accurately, even > showing the individual properties in most streets. At the price it's not > expensive to buy all > the Belfast set. > > Anyone who's really interested in maps and wants to know historical > Belfast may be > interested in the wonderful collection of Belfast maps available from the > Royal Irish > Academy, in association with Belfast City Council. > > They're Irish Historic Towns Atlas project is well advanced, see; > > http://www.ria.ie/shop/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=3&cat=Irish+Historic+Towns+Atlas > > These are not cheap, but excellent for those with an interest in > historical maps as they show > the evolution of the city. I have Irish Historic Towns Atlas No. 12 > Belfast, Part I, to 1840, > and will buy Part II when it's published - and Georgian Belfast, > 1750-1850, when I have > some extra cash! > > Chris Morgan > > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > ALWAYS ensure your anti-virus software is kept up-to-date. > NEVER open an attachment until you are positive it is safe. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > __________ NOD32 1.942 (20041207) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > >

Thank you ever so much I will try the website as suggested. Agnes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANDY AIRRIESS" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: RE: [BELFAST] Belfast Street Maps > > Agnes, > > I know there are some shops online that sell reproductions of various > Belfast area maps, some from the 1930's, some from earlier years. > > Here's one: > http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?exact_match=no&keywordsst=Irish_Map > > eBay also has listings for Belfast maps. Do a search for "Belfast Map" > and you might come up with them. > > Andy Airriess > > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > Tips on list etiquette and how to maximise your chances of receiving help > can be found at ~ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donaghmore1/expectations.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > __________ NOD32 1.942 (20041207) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > >

> I have a list of streets where my ancestors once lived in Belfast (Utility St, Boundary St, Hopes Place, Melbourne St, Lillyput St, Dayton Street, Richmond St/Sq?, Tilley St and Lousia St.) > Could anyone tell me how I would go about purchasing early street maps to show exactly where, and how far apart the streets are/where from one another? I could try PRONI but means I would have to go there in person, any other suggestions? Your best bet is Alan Godfrey Maps at http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/ Their online catalogue is at http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/acatalog/ Ulster maps are at http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/acatalog/Northern_Ireland.html Remember Belfast is mostly in Co. Antrim, but partly in Co. Down. These maps are excellent value for money as they show the streets so accurately, even showing the individual properties in most streets. At the price it's not expensive to buy all the Belfast set. Anyone who's really interested in maps and wants to know historical Belfast may be interested in the wonderful collection of Belfast maps available from the Royal Irish Academy, in association with Belfast City Council. They're Irish Historic Towns Atlas project is well advanced, see; http://www.ria.ie/shop/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=3&cat=Irish+Historic+Towns+Atlas These are not cheap, but excellent for those with an interest in historical maps as they show the evolution of the city. I have Irish Historic Towns Atlas No. 12 Belfast, Part I, to 1840, and will buy Part II when it's published - and Georgian Belfast, 1750-1850, when I have some extra cash! Chris Morgan

I believe it depends on which side of the river you are on. Andy Airriess

Dear All, I have a list of streets where my ancestors once lived in Belfast (Utility St, Boundary St, Hopes Place, Melbourne St, Lillyput St, Dayton Street, Richmond St/Sq?, Tilley St and Lousia St.) Could anyone tell me how I would go about purchasing early street maps to show exactly where, and how far apart the streets are/where from one another? I could try PRONI but means I would have to go there in person, any other suggestions? Thank you in advance, Agnes Matthews Researching Gelston, Moore, Peden, Best and Brawley.

Agnes, I know there are some shops online that sell reproductions of various Belfast area maps, some from the 1930's, some from earlier years. Here's one: http://www.booksulster.com/bookstore.cgi?exact_match=no&keywordsst=Irish_Map eBay also has listings for Belfast maps. Do a search for "Belfast Map" and you might come up with them. Andy Airriess

Hi Brian (from another Brian!) Wonder if you could help me, please, when (and if) you have time? Two of my possible ancestors seem to have met sudden deaths (see excerpts from the Belfast Timeline, below); wonder if you have any "Newsletter" obit records or inquest reports which match. I'm off on holiday for about 3 weeks, so *definitely* no rush - in any case, would be grateful for any help you can provide, however long it takes - I know that you have a lot of requests. Yours Brian LOUGHRIDGE Warwickshire England 1. Feb 1879. "William Gibson died from injuries received from falling into a fire. At the Inquest, the jury returned a verdict of death from burns accidentally received". [I definitely have a Wm Gibson associated with my line who was married 1877 and died between then and 1887]. 2. Jun 1890. "An inquest was held into the death of Ellen Loughridge who died after falling downstairs in a house in Wheeler's Court, Newtownards Road. The jury returned a verdict of accidental death". [This one is a bit more speculative - no Ellen, so far]

Apologies to the list owner for this message. I hope you don't mind but I have no other way of letting Michael know that I have lost his e-mail address. Many thanks. Michael I am very sorry that I could not reply to your e-mail regarding Wolfhill Place in the 1901 Belfast census. I lost your e-mail address during my computer meltdown. If you would contact me again I would be glad to help you in any way that I can. Apologies for any inconvenience caused. Jean McCarthy nee Moore http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/

Hello Rosemary I checked the Bt.com website and there were 10 Cully's listed in the telephone directory for Belfast. Regards Carol Barber Freecen Co-ordinator for Yorkshire, Durham and Westmorland http://freecen.rootsweb.com > Hello, Are there any Cully's still living in Belfast? My grandmother was > Elizabeth Anne Cully who lived in Canada Street. She died in 1950. She > had five children: William John (Johnnie) Robert James (Bob), > Elizabeth (Lizzie, became Mrs. Smyth), David and Sarah Jane,(who became > Mrs. Wallace). I have Bob's descendants in England but would love to fin > some more. Rosemary > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > ALWAYS ensure your anti-virus software is kept up-to-date. > NEVER open an attachment until you are positive it is safe. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Hello, Are there any Cully's still living in Belfast? My grandmother was Elizabeth Anne Cully who lived in Canada Street. She died in 1950. She had five children: William John (Johnnie) Robert James (Bob), Elizabeth (Lizzie, became Mrs. Smyth), David and Sarah Jane,(who became Mrs. Wallace). I have Bob's descendants in England but would love to fin some more. Rosemary

Hi to Brian are you searching for Browns in Belfast? I am descended from Brownes/ Browns Belfast lived in Witham st Belfast in 1894 and 28 Campbell Park Avenue Belmont Belfast 1911. Some of the family I am still searching for. Michelle Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: IRL-BELFAST-CITY-D Digest V05 #163

Michelle, I am searching for James Brown, bootfinisher, who lived in the Lower Falls area of Belfast., mainly Cairns St. However, he left the family home and is supposed to have died on 14 July 1944. His name is on a gravestone in Milltown cemetery, but he is not buried there. Have you came across him? Thanks Brian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

George, Just found an obit yesterday for a Josephine Brown, who moved to Drumaness area and died in 1976. However, I think she moved from Belfast to live with family, her sister Annie Fisher( nee Brown), in the area. It seems that there was a new housing development in the area, and they moved to there from Belfast.I knwo other family moved to Loughinisland. All these areas are in the vicinty of Ballynahinch. Any connections? Brian. PS. I also have Savage connections with the Ballynahinch / Edendarriff area. George Gilliland <[email protected]> wrote: Brian, Thank you for the tip. I'll follow up and inform the list. My Browns are from Ballynahinch, about 20 miles from Belfast--Newcastle direction. Any connection?? George Gilliland Bonita Springs, Florida ----- Original Message ----- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi George, You have a lot of questions but let me tell you what happened to me last summer when I went to the GRO in Dublin. I also had a good size list I amassed at my local FHL here in CT. when I went. And when I got to the GRO I was told I could only get copies of 7 records per day. Luckily my cousin was with me so I got 14. I didn't see a big advantage in going there as apposed to sending for the records by mail. They are relatively inexpensive and I wasn't going to spend more than one day of my vacation in a small hot crowded room! You don't get to look at it first to see if it is your family. You pay first, then get the copy of the record. One advantage of getting it there as apposed to by mail is that they may be able to decipher a copy that is poor quality. Now this is for records dating 1864 to 1914. Can't say what to do for later records. I won't be ordering expensive copies from Belfast at present! Hope this helps Mary in CT, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Gilliland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: B/m/d indices and returns!!!! > Dear Listers, > > Here's my problem. I plan a visit to Belfast this summer and will have > only a short period of time to "do" genealogy. Using the indices from the > Family History Library here in Fort Myers, Florida, I've accumulated a > long list of Birth and Marriage listings for one group of names on my > father's side, GILLILAND, WILLIAMSON, MADILL, LATIMER, DONOHOE and > MARSHALL from the Cootehill district in Co. Monaghan and another group of > names on my mother's side, BROWN, HEANEN, CARLISLE, CROMIE, RITCHIE and > RODGERS from the Downpatrick district of Co. Down. In short, I have the > year, quarter, volume and page number for each listing. > > It seems that I can use the computer indices at the GRO to add to my > listings, as I understand it, indices are available for births in Northern > Ireland from 1922 to 1996, deaths for the same period and marriages from > 1845 to 1997. From the GRO web site, it seems that the actual registers > are available (for the six counties??) for births from 1864 on, deaths > from 1864 on, and marriages from 1922 on in the GRO. Marriage registers > are available at the local District Registrar's Office from 1845 on. > > Questions: > > 1. Is it the only way to convert my index listings to the actual register > entry by ordering the actual certificate from the GRO? > > 2. How does the search engine at GRO work, do you input a last name, or > what?? > > 3. How do things go at the DRO--are they generally amenable to visits from > genealogists? > > Now, the following is available from the Family History Center library: > > > FHC GRO-Belfast > GRO-Dublin > > Birth Indices for all of Ireland 1864-1921 > 1864-1921 1864-1921 > Birth Indices for the Republic of Ireland 1922-1958 > 1922-on > Birth Indices for Northern Ireland 1922-1959 > 1922-1996 > Birth Returns for all of Ireland 1864-1880, > 1900-1914 1864-? (NI only) 1864-1921 > Birth Returns for the Republic of Ireland 1930-1955 > 1922-on > Birth Returns for Northern Ireland 1922-1959 > 1864 on > > > Death Indices for all of Ireland 1864-1921 > 1864-1921 1864-1921 > Death Indices for the Republic of Ireland 1922-1958 > 1922-on > Death Indices for Northern Ireland 1922-1959 > 1922-1996 > Death Returns for all of Ireland 1864-1870 > 1864-? (NI only) 1864-1921 > Death Returns for the Republic of Ireland > 1922-on > Death Returns for Northern Ireland 1922-1959 > 1864 on > > Marriage Indices for all of Ireland 1845-1921 > 1845-? (NI only?) 1845-1921 > Marriage Indices for the Republic of Ireland 1922-1958 > 1922-on > Marriage Indices for Northern Ireland > Marriage Returns for all of Ireland 1845-1870 > 1845 on (NI only?) 1845-1921 > Marriage Returns for the Republic of Ireland > 1922-on > Marriage Returns for Northern Ireland 1922-1959 > 1922 on (NI only?) > > > Now, I realize this is all very complicated--but my question to the group > is: do I have it right?? > > Returns from the GRO-Dublin are priced at L 1.50 or abt $2.75 each. FHC > films are $4.00 where I live with $ .20 /copy. The GRO-Belfast charges L > 10.00 or $18.00. > > > My conclusion is thus: Use the Family History Center for all searches > unless you can get to Salt Lake City, or the GRO-Belfast. Use the > GRO-Belfast or the GRO-Dublin to fill in the 1880-1900 and 1914-1930 Birth > indices gaps. Buy returns for Republic ancestors from the GRO-Dublin, and > order films from the FHC for the Northern Ireland relatives. How's that??? > > > Regards from Sunny Florida > > > George S. Gilliland > > > > ______________________________ >

Be grateful if someone can offer assistance or advice with these two census, please. Looking for at: 21 Cliftonville Avenue - JANE KING, and MARGARET JOSEPHINE KING 14 Kinnaird Street - URSULA MURPHY 43 Fitzroy Avenue - ROBERT KING and CAROLINE URSULA KING. Thanking you. Marina Christchurch New Zealand

Brian, Thank you for the tip. I'll follow up and inform the list. My Browns are from Ballynahinch, about 20 miles from Belfast--Newcastle direction. Any connection?? George Gilliland Bonita Springs, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: brian magaoidh<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] B/m/d indices and returns!!!! George, There is a part time FHC in Belfast on the Holywood Road. I havent got any deatails on me at the moment, but I know they have microfilms of some copies of certicates.If you already have the indices, this will work out a lot cheaper for you.However, before you visit you would need to ring to make sure they were open Brian PS. I am looking for Browns from Belfast. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com<http://mail.yahoo.com/> ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== Comments, suggestions and criticisms regarding list matters should be sent privately to the List Administrator at ~ [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx>

I can confirm the cafe in Bridge St is definitely called Blinkers! I hope you enjoy your stay in Belfast and are lucky with your research. Agnes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike cassidy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Accomodation > > > john burns <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Bonz. I've been doing more reading and it sounds like I should stay > in the Golden Mile area-maybe Helga House? > John > > John > > When I'm in Belfast I try and book into The Old Rectory B.& B, 148 > Malone Road, e-mail [email protected], which I find is reasonably > priced, excellent breakfast and very nice people.That's within walking > distance of PRONI ( just round the corner ) and not far from the city > centre ( I usually walk there, takes about 20 mins) There's plenty of > places in the city serving food, nearly all pubs cater, some till late in > the evening and there's plenty of cafe's, there is a nice one thats open > fairly late in Bridge St, Blinkers, I think it's called, all reasonably > priced, so you didn't go hungry. If you find that you have time on your > hands visit the Linenhall Library very interesting. Whatever you do enjoy > your selve. > > > > > Best Regards > Mike [email protected] > www.geocities.com/mickwork2000 > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > Tips on list etiquette and how to maximise your chances of receiving help > can be found at ~ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donaghmore1/expectations.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > __________ NOD32 1.942 (20041207) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > >

I'm searching for information about my gr gr grandfather, George STEVENSON, and his family. He's listed in the 1852 Belfast Directory as living at Little May Street, and is a horse dealer. Born in Scotland, he came to Belfast sometime in the 1840s, married a woman named Margaret (possibly McAdam) who was born in Ireland, and had the following children born in Belfast: William, George, Margaret, Robert Alexander, Colin, Mary Elison, Aenneas, Charles Mitchell, and Thomas James. Most of the family then moved to Liverpool sometime during the 1860s, and continued working with horses - either as stable workers, horse trainers, or drivers. I'd be grateful for any ideas as to where to find records without actually going to Belfast - which is looking like a better idea each day! Regards, Marny Janson New York

George, There is a part time FHC in Belfast on the Holywood Road. I havent got any deatails on me at the moment, but I know they have microfilms of some copies of certicates.If you already have the indices, this will work out a lot cheaper for you.However, before you visit you would need to ring to make sure they were open Brian PS. I am looking for Browns from Belfast. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Dear Listers, Here's my problem. I plan a visit to Belfast this summer and will have only a short period of time to "do" genealogy. Using the indices from the Family History Library here in Fort Myers, Florida, I've accumulated a long list of Birth and Marriage listings for one group of names on my father's side, GILLILAND, WILLIAMSON, MADILL, LATIMER, DONOHOE and MARSHALL from the Cootehill district in Co. Monaghan and another group of names on my mother's side, BROWN, HEANEN, CARLISLE, CROMIE, RITCHIE and RODGERS from the Downpatrick district of Co. Down. In short, I have the year, quarter, volume and page number for each listing. It seems that I can use the computer indices at the GRO to add to my listings, as I understand it, indices are available for births in Northern Ireland from 1922 to 1996, deaths for the same period and marriages from 1845 to 1997. From the GRO web site, it seems that the actual registers are available (for the six counties??) for births from 1864 on, deaths from 1864 on, and marriages from 1922 on in the GRO. Marriage registers are available at the local District Registrar's Office from 1845 on. Questions: 1. Is it the only way to convert my index listings to the actual register entry by ordering the actual certificate from the GRO? 2. How does the search engine at GRO work, do you input a last name, or what?? 3. How do things go at the DRO--are they generally amenable to visits from genealogists? Now, the following is available from the Family History Center library: FHC GRO-Belfast GRO-Dublin Birth Indices for all of Ireland 1864-1921 1864-1921 1864-1921 Birth Indices for the Republic of Ireland 1922-1958 1922-on Birth Indices for Northern Ireland 1922-1959 1922-1996 Birth Returns for all of Ireland 1864-1880, 1900-1914 1864-? (NI only) 1864-1921 Birth Returns for the Republic of Ireland 1930-1955 1922-on Birth Returns for Northern Ireland 1922-1959 1864 on Death Indices for all of Ireland 1864-1921 1864-1921 1864-1921 Death Indices for the Republic of Ireland 1922-1958 1922-on Death Indices for Northern Ireland 1922-1959 1922-1996 Death Returns for all of Ireland 1864-1870 1864-? (NI only) 1864-1921 Death Returns for the Republic of Ireland 1922-on Death Returns for Northern Ireland 1922-1959 1864 on Marriage Indices for all of Ireland 1845-1921 1845-? (NI only?) 1845-1921 Marriage Indices for the Republic of Ireland 1922-1958 1922-on Marriage Indices for Northern Ireland Marriage Returns for all of Ireland 1845-1870 1845 on (NI only?) 1845-1921 Marriage Returns for the Republic of Ireland 1922-on Marriage Returns for Northern Ireland 1922-1959 1922 on (NI only?) Now, I realize this is all very complicated--but my question to the group is: do I have it right?? Returns from the GRO-Dublin are priced at L 1.50 or abt $2.75 each. FHC films are $4.00 where I live with $ .20 /copy. The GRO-Belfast charges L 10.00 or $18.00. My conclusion is thus: Use the Family History Center for all searches unless you can get to Salt Lake City, or the GRO-Belfast. Use the GRO-Belfast or the GRO-Dublin to fill in the 1880-1900 and 1914-1930 Birth indices gaps. Buy returns for Republic ancestors from the GRO-Dublin, and order films from the FHC for the Northern Ireland relatives. How's that??? Regards from Sunny Florida George S. Gilliland