Hi Brenda and Gord, I have a marriage certificate for county Down in 1869. It gives the bride's father's name and surname and underneath the word deceased. In the next column it gives occupations for the fathers and they listed both as farmers, rather than leave the deceased one blank. So the short answer to your query is at least a yes sometimes, although there may be variability with respect to the practice in different areas. Good luck with your search! Al Valentine, Winnipeg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda & Gord Anderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: [BELFAST] Marriage Certificates > I have been trying to find the deaths of certain of my family members - > and wonder of any knows if they would put > Deceased on the Marriage Certificates if the father was dead at the time > of marriage. I have yet to be able to prove this one way or another. I > wonder if anyone can tell me if they have a death before the marriage of > one of the children and what the certificates says. I may be off on my > thinking - but I can't seem to find them after the marriage date so > wonder if it could be before and they are just not saying so. I know > the English ones do? Any help would be appreciated. > Brenda Anderson > Brampton, Ontario > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > NEVER open an attachment unless you are expecting it or you know exactly what it is. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Dear Maureen, I was Happy to hear from you I feel that someone is paying attention to me. Unity St was the next Street to where I lived, I lived in Tyrone St. I left Belfast 57years ago at the age of 21,I have been back but not in the last 6 yrs. I'm sorry I can't recall Murray and Burns, I will be speaking to my brother soon and I will see if he remembers thoes names. I will be in touch with you as soon as I speak to him. Hope I will be able to help you ; ELLEN{BRANIFF}DE SOUTER

I have one that has "deceased" on it for the father; don't know abut the English. Andy

Does anyone on the list have a Margaret, daughter of James Adams and Margaret Swan born 27 June, 1886? If so, please contact me, I have a copy of the Baptism record from St. Anne's. Andy Airriess

Gentle Listers, In addition to my earlier post about those who served and those who died from St. Paul's, I also have a photo of the same category of people from St. Anne's. The St. Anne's roll is easier to read. Please contact me off list if you want a copy. Andy

Howdy all, Thanks to a generous person (and I might say a rather dashing person as well) I was able to go St. Paul's on York Rd. and took a picture of the Roll or Honour showing those from the church who served and those who died in WWI. Combined with a visit to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site (http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/search.aspx) it just might help you figure out what happened to some of those elusive ancestors. Some of the names are hard to read; those whose last names appear early in the alphabet display better. If you would like a copy of the photo let me know off list. It is a rather LARGE photo (4.5MB) and does not shrink well enough to read the names. I also have a photo of memorial commemorating the dead of WWI and a different one for WWII if you would like those too. The list of names are shorter thus the images will shrink better and be smaller for emailing. When I have the time I'll transcribe the names. For now, this is what you get. Andy Airriess McCormick, Boyd, Shaw, Muckle, Ireland, McCartney and more I don't know of yet in Belfast and Environs. I love Belfast and environs even more after visiting. They are populated with the most generous, open, warm people I have ever met. Special thanks to that one guy and those two ladies. Thanks also to that other guy and lady. For reasons of privacy, they choose to remain cloaked in mystery. Rest assured, my wife and I will never, ever forget you and your kindness.

Hello Ellen, I do hope you dont mind me getting in touch, but as you are a Belfast woman you will know how we Belfast ones love a chat.......I was going through my e-mails this morn and came across yours, when I saw Unity St., I jumped in to ask, would you know, in your Mother's time, any Murrays.....I am researching Murray and Burns....my Murrays moved around and were in North Queen St. Unity St, Waterloo St. and heaven only knows where else........the Campbells were really Cutty, and changed to Campbell if you follow my drift, were New Lodge Road.....have you been back to Belfast in the last few years, if you care to reply I would be so pleased to hear from you......Maureen

Hi folks new records have been added to the Lurgan Ancestry Website www.lurganancestry.net all records are free to research and copy regards Martin

Thank you ever so much. Nori Ritchie

Here are a few obits which might interest some of you.. Cara, I could only find David Campbell, in 1934, for you. Irish News August 24 1906: Deaths: KIRKWOOD: August 22, at his residence, Rasharkin, John Kirkwood, aged 65 years. R.I.P.(Funeral tomorrow Saturday) 25th inst. Irish News Sept 26 1906: Deaths: DOHERTY:September 17, at the Dominican Convent, Kingstown, Sister Mary Gertrude Doherty, at the advanced age of 84. DILLON: September 24 at Church Street, holywood, Mary Catherine, only daughter of Edward J Dillon, aged 8 years. R.I.P. M'GRILLEN. September 25, at his residence, 3 Hughes' Terrace, Springfield Road, John M'Grillen (late of Younger & Co. Brewers, Edingburgh) R.I.P. [The remains of my dearly-beloved husband will be removed from above address for internment in Milltown Cemetery on tomorrow ( Thursday) 27th inst. at 2pm] - Helena M'Grillen. Belfast TelegraphJan 25 1912: Deaths: BEATTIE: Jan 24, at his fathers residence, CAHARD, John Beattie. His remains will be removed, for internment, in the family burying ground, Churchyard Saintfield, on tomorrow ( Friday) at 1.00pm. William Hanna Beattie. BELL: January 25 at 6 Seaview Terrace, Whiteabbey, Agnes Bell, widow of the late William bell, formerly of Ballyearl. Funeral to Carnmoney, on Saturday afternoon at 2.30 o'clock. Belfast Telegraph Jan 26 1912: Deaths: DONNELLY: Jan 25 at his parents residence, 30, Waterford St, Ambrose, aged 4 yrs, the dearly beloved son of Ambrose and Minnie Donnelly. His remains will be removed from above address, for internment in Milltown Cemetery on tomorrow ( Sat) at 2pm. Friends will please accept this intimation. Ambrose and Minnie Donnelly. Belfast Telegraph: Jan 31 1934: Deaths: CAMPBELL: Jan 31 1934, at his residence, 27 Mount Street, Donaghadee, David, the beloved husband of Mary Campbell. Funeral to Donaghadee Churchyard on Friday February 2nd at 3 o'clock. No flowers. Deeply regretted by his sorrowing wife; also his son, David, Toronto, Canada. Brian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

We are not Nesmith researchers; however, we found this grave in the Concord Cemetery in the Havana area of Hale County, Alabama (formerly a part of Greene County). The cemetery is located on Alabama Highway 60. My e-mail address is: [email protected] should anyone have any questions. Thank you, Carolyn Strickland Smalley. Margaret Nesmith Who was born in Ireland Near Belfast Jany 20th 1784 Departed this life September 2nd 1852 Aged 68 years 7 months 12 days

All, here are some more listings, some of which may have previously been posted. Belfast Weekly News: August 5 1893: Missing Friends: CLARKE: Mrs Clarke, of Drum, Co Monaghan, is anxious to find the whereabouts of her two sons, George and Joseph James. Last heard from George on 1st December, 1889, from 101 Plymouth Street, Jersey City, America, and from Joseph James on 3rd September, 1891, then residing at 229 Bridge St, Brooklyn, New York. FEENEY: Wanted to know the whereabouts of the sister of Wm. Feeney, maiden name Ann Feeney, but now married, who left Derry for Philadelphia twenty seven years ago.-Wm Feeney, 11 Bouverie Terrace, Port Glasgow. SMITH: Wanted to know the whereabouts of Thomas Smith. When last heard of, was living at 35 North Street, Anderston, Glasgow. Any information will be thankfully received by his brother, Edward Smith, Newtown, Dundalk, Hackball Cross, Ireland. M’KEE.- On the 15th of March a man named Thomas M’Kee was killed on one of the Street Car Lines in Chicago. He has a sister and also a brother who is a Presbyterian minister, and still another brother , who is a doctor, whom he left in County Antrim, near Belfast, when he went into the Ship Yard at Whiteinch, by Glasgow, Scotland. The relatives to communicate with People’s Casulty Claim Adjustment Company, 145 Adams Express Building, 185 Dearborn Street, Chicago, They may hear of something to their advantage. PARK; Information wanted about Andrew Park, or Parks, who was born in the County Antrim about 1745, and died in America in 1781. He seems to have been a weaver, probably engaged in the weaving of linens and woollens in Antrim before he went to United States. Information as to when he left Ireland, facts in connection with the name, or some information as to where the matter could be looked up, will be thankfully received by John S Park, U.S. army, professor, Virginia Military Institute, Lexington, Virginia. RODGERS or WELSH: Wanted to know the whereabouts of Ellen Rodgers ( or Welsh) and Mary Ann Rodgers, last heard of in Montgomery Street, Bridgton, Glasgow, about four years. Any information regarding them will be thankfully received by their mother, Mrs B. Spiers, 165 Back Street, Broxburn, Linlithgowshire, Scotland; late of Drumlamph, Ireland. Belfast Weekly News August 12 1893: Missing Friends. FINLAY: Wanted to know the whereabouts of William John Finlay, who left Whitehouse, near Belfast, about thirteen years ago; last heard of at Chicago, America, about eleven years ago. Any information of him will be thankfully received by Private R.CURRIE, No.2456, 1st Batt. Gordon Highlanders, Subathu, Bengal, India. HAMILTON: - Alex. Fraser Hamilton, 11, Glen Street, Paisley, wants to know the address of his sister, Janet Fechnie Hamilton, farm servant, who left Anderston, Glasgow, thirty-seven years ago; last heard of as residing with Mr Joseph Lee, farmer, in Hobartown, Van Diemen’s Land. SAUNDERSON: -Wanted to know the whereabouts of John Saunderson, ironmoulder, who left Belfast six years ago for Pittsburg; was last heard of at Elizabeth Port, New Zealand. Any information regarding him will be thankfully received by his mother Mrs Saunderson, 23 Valentine Street, Belfast. Belfast Weekly News: August 19 1893: Missing Friends: BEATTIE: The father, mother, and sisters of Ellen Beattie, whose maiden name is Kingswell, a native of Bembridge, Isle of Wight, wish to know where she at present is. She left Bembridge about two years ago, and was last heard of as being in Belfast. Any information will be thankfully received by H.J.Dodd, 84 Fords Park Road, Canning Town, London, E. BENNATT:-A friend wishes to know the whereabouts of Mr Thomas Bennatt; last heard of as carrying on business of salesman in Kender Street, Queens Road, Peckham, London. If Mr Bennatt or any of his friends who notice this would reply to ‘A Friend , Belfast Weekly News, Belfast’ he would hear something to his advantage. FINLEY: Mrs John Alexander Finley, 38 Villas Road, Plumstead ( late of Coleraine, Ireland), is anxious to learn the address of the brothers, or other friends of her husband, who is at present in bad health. Robert, when last heard of was living in Needham Street, Newry, and following the business of coachbuilder; William, a cabinetmaker, has not been heard from since about seven years ago, when he was residing with his mother in Jameson Street, Glasgow. FITZSIMONS: Information wanted regarding the whereabouts of William Fitzsimons, railway worker, who left Belfast about two years ago; was last heard of at Washington Street, Jersey City, New Jersey. Any information about him will be thankfully received by his mother, Mrs Fitzsimons, 16 Arran Street, off Short Strand, Belfast. M’CAVITT: Bernard M’Cavitt, 7 Crossley Street, Mountpottinger, Belfast, would like to know the whereabouts and hear from his brother John, who left Banbridge about the year 1859 or 1860, for New York, while his brother was with his regiment in India. If this should meet his eye will he please write. American papers please copy. M’KNIGHT: Sarah M’Knight ( maiden name Mahood) is sought by her brother James, 82 Cowlairs Road, Springburn Road, Glasgow. She was last heard of about two years ago at Mrs Brien’s, 249 York Street, Jersey City, New Jersey, U.S.A. American papers please copy. REILLY: Mrs Reilly, Glasgow, is desirous of knowing the address of her son Samuel, from whom she has not heard for eleven years. His address at that time was Samuel Reilly, Jane Street, Fortitude Valley, Brisbane, Queensland, and his occupation was that of road or surfaceman. 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In a message dated 7/3/2005 1:56:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: http://www.from-ireland.net/censabstracts/ant/1901/belfast2.htm Dear Jane, I am interested in my family name BRANIFF Of Belfast N Ireland . in your article heads of household index Belfast Co Antrim .N Ireland the streets you listed are where some of my family members lived. I was born in 16 Tyrone St. Belfast Co Antrim I left there in 1948 to live in New York. I have Family in Unity St Belfast / Doran- Mc AULEY/JOHNSTON. Trinity St & Upton St Belfast / KELLY- BRANIFF I would be very thankful if you could give me any information on . ..these 3 Families.The name of 16 Tyrone St is BRANIFF & Doran. I have a large family in Belfast but they are in different Wards . The families in this entry are all Catholic . My daughter had entered all the information on my BRANIFF and who they married which was quite large she also gave me a years subscription to rootsweb and ancestry .com as I am a senior citizen, and I could never get on them so I have to depend on people to help me. I thank you for your time and patience. ELLEN{BRANIFF}DE SOUTER.

Brian, Thank you for all your work. I was happy to see the M'Allister article. Oh to find some more, hopefully 'mine' ! Mick in Tamworth, Staffs > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brian magaoidh" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:04 AM > Subject: Missing Friends July 1893: > > Belfast Weekly News July 22 1893: Missing Friends: > > M'ALLISTER: - Mrs Wm.Reese, St Andrew's Bay, Washington County, Florida, > is anxious to hear from her aunt, Matilda M'Allister, whom she believes to > be at present in Belfast. Any information as to the person mentioned will > be thankfully received at above address. >

Church Photos on my web site at the link below. I have added seven more church photographs to the church photos pages on my web site. These have been kindly donated by David in New Zealand. The new photos are: St Mathews Church of Ireland at Richill, St James Church of Ireland Parish of Carnteel at Aughnacloy (Dates from 1736) Also two interior views of St James, Kildarton Church of Ireland at Kildarton, Ruins of the original Church of Ireland at Loughgall Thank you so very much indeed David for sharing these wonderful photographs with us all. To view David’s page of church photos, click on church photos and you will see the link to David’s page near the top of the page. I have also updated the list of church names whose photos are on my web site. The link to the list is in red text near the top of the first page of Church photos. You can follow the other links to view many other church photos. Kind Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore. Staffordshire, England. My own main names of interest: MOORE, (Ireland, Canada & Australia) BOWDEN, (Ireland, New Zealand, Tasmania & Australia) HAWTHORNE. (Ireland and Pennsylvania) In Co Down, Co Armagh & Co Antrim Ireland: McCALLISTER, McAULEY, FLINN, STRAIN, SPRATT, McCLENAGHAN & KENNEDY. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/

Mick, No problems. Whereabouts in Belfast are your McAllisters from ? Brian Mick <[email protected]> wrote: Brian, Thank you for all your work. I was happy to see the M'Allister article. Oh to find some more, hopefully 'mine' ! Mick in Tamworth, Staffs __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Brian, Thank you for all your work. I was happy to see the Magee article. Donna in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian magaoidh" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Missing Friends July 1893: Belfast Weekly News July1 1893: Deaths: MAGEE: June 26 at Drumnaduff, Upper Ballinderry, James Magee, eldest son of the late James Magee, Old Lodge Road. Belfast Weekly News July 8 1893: Missing Friends: BRADY: Mrs CRAIG, 76 Albertbridge Road, Belfast, Ireland, is very anxious to hear from her daughter, Mrs Maggie Brady, whose address in June 1887 was No.1 Chapmans Terrace, Stuart Street, Dunedin, and whose husband, Patrick Smith Brady, was previous to that in the police force in Dunedin. Belfast Weekly News: July 15 1893: Missing Friends: HARWOOD: Wanted to know the whereabouts of Frederick William Harwood, last heard of in Belfast. Should this meet the eye of any of his friends or himself, would they communicate with his brother, Thomas James Harwood, 33 Lochend Cottages,Glengarnock, Ayrshire. MULHOLLAND or COWAN: Wanted to know the address of friends or relatives of Mary Mulholland or Cowan, who left Ballindery Ireland, about 40 years ago. Any information will be thankfully received by her son, James Cowan, 154 North Woodside Road, Glasgow, Scotland. MCILWRATH: Wanted to know the whereabouts of James McIlwrath; when last heard from was stationmaster at Nepigon, Ontario, Canada. Information will be thankfully received by his mother, Ann McIlwrath, 84 Joseph Street. American papers please copy. SADDLER: Wanted, information concerning Thomas Sellers Saddler, formerly of the 5th Brigade(?) Guards, supposed to be travelling as stud groom with some circus. Any information concerning his whereabouts , dead or alive, will be thankfully received by his wife, Agnes Sellers, 2 Miller Street, Shadehill, Manchester. American and Australian papers please copy. SIMPSON: Wanted to know the whereabouts of Robert Simpson, his last address being New Atlantic Hotel, 207 Montgomery Avenue, San Francisco, California. His parents and family are most anxious to hear from him. Will he kindly communicate with his father, Robert Simpson, Elandariff, Dunmore Post Office, Ballynahinch, County Down, Ireland. American papers please copy. Belfast Weekly News July 22 1893: Missing Friends: M'ALLISTER: - Mrs Wm.Reese, St Andrew's Bay, Washington County, Florida, is anxious to hear from her aunt, Matilda M'Allister, whom she believes to be at present in Belfast. Any information as to the person mentioned will be thankfully received at above address. ------------ An extraordinary egg:- Mr Andrew Martin, 143 Old Lodge Road, Belfast, received on 19th inst from a Liverpool farmer a duck egg weighing over four ounces. Apeculiarity about it was that there was another egg inside it, with shell completely formed. Accident to a Belfastman near Stewartstown.- While Mr Ross Bell, Belfast, was driving from Stewartstown to Dungannon on the 12th his horse bolted, and Mr Bell was thrown out of the machine, sustaining some cuts and bruises in the fall. He was at once driven by his brother, W.H.Bell, Drumard, to Coalisland, where Dr. William C.Armstrong attended to his injuries. Considering the circumstances Mr Bell had a very narrow escape from probably fatal injuries. Rescue from drowning: - A boy named Daniel Watson, while coming from bathing at Gavna, near Dunseverick, has had a very narrow escape from being drowned. He was climbing around the rocks as best he could, and was swept off by the tide into the sea and dahed between two rocks. Archibald Meek, a young man good at swimming, jumped in, and getting hold of Watson brought him ashore in an injured and exhausted state. Belfast Weekly News July 29 1893:Missing Friends: FISHER: Annie Ross, or M'Gill, would like to know the whereabouts of John, James, or Bella Fisher, last heard of in Belfast. Address John Walter M'Gill, 48 , Bell Street, Calton, Glasgow. HUSTON or HEWSTON: Frederick Charles Hewston, Winterton, Ferryhill, Durham, wants to know the address of relatives or friends on his father's side. There were four brothers, namely - Frederick Charles, William, Thomas and John, and also two sisters, one of whom was called Isabella. One of the family left Belfast for America, and some of the brothers were staying in Birmingham for a time, and then left for America about 40 years ago, leaving Robert and his sister, Isabella behind. Robert was a stonemason, and married Anne Price, at Gloucester, in 1842. Any information will be thankfully received at above address. American papers please copy. LANG: James Lang, of East London, South Africa, wishes to know the present whereabouts of either of his brothers - David or Hugh Lang. Shall be glad to hear from any member of the family. THORP or THORPE: Wanted to know the whereabouts of William Thorp or Thorpe, a native of Rock ferry, Cheshire, England; was last heard of about twelve months ago, sailing as donkeyman or fireman, supposed to be sailing from Cardiff. Should this meet the eye of any of his friends or himself, would he communicate with his brother , John Thorp, 103 Canning Street, Birkenhead (who has heard something to his advantage)? - ------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. ______________________________

I've decided on a new format for my Heads of Household indices - some of these streets are already on my web site under the streets beginning with A, B, or C and I apologise for that. I have indexed the names of the Heads of Household as per the enumerator sheets (which are quite often incorrect on first names and spellings of surnames and more) for the following streets in Belfast. These streets are all in County Antrim. You will find the name index at the URL listed below the street names - I do not have the LDS film number/s for this area - or, a PRONI ref.. The DED film ref I give is as per the National Archives in Dublin Jane Alton street - Antrim street - Broadbent - California street - Carrickhill - Carrickhill Court - Carrickhill Place - Cavour - Clifton street - Concord street - Dagmar - Denmark - Hanover - Hartley - Kildare Street Old Lodge Road - Park street - Stanhope street - Sydney street - Trinity street - Tyrone street - Unity street - Upton street - Wall street http://www.from-ireland.net/censabstracts/ant/1901/belfast2.htm

Hello Jane, Most of the LDS and PRONI Film numbers for these streets can be found in the street directory of my web site. Jean McCarthy nee Moore http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/

Thanks Jane for all your hard work, Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada http://www.user.dccnet.com/s.brown/index.html