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Thanks for the suggestion. They were both definitely Irish as I have other members of Benjamin's family and I have anecdotal evident for her being Irish too. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: ANDY AIRRIESS [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2005 9:14 a.m. To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Harland & Woolfe/Weir On behalf of all other listers, I'd like to apologize for the previous remark. Martinatlurgan must be having a bad day. Have you checked Scottish marriages? Just last week I found a couple of children born in Scotland when no record of their birth could be found in Ireland. Andy Airriess ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== Under no circumstances should VIRUS/HOAX/CHAIN warnings/messages be sent to the list. They have nothing to do with genealogy/family history. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Seeking information on Samuel HUNTER who married Jane MORROW(S) 1845 Great George's Street, Belfast. Their son, also named Samuel, was born about 1855 Belfast and came to New Zealand with his wife Dorothea HOLMES 1877. Lyane Kendall

Hello I am trying to trace a Benjamin Weir (born Carlow, 1885), married a Florrie Flood anad worked at Harland & Woolfe as an electrical engineer. I have no further information and have been unable to find a death or marriage in the GRO indexes. If anyone can suggest further avenues of research, I would be grateful. For example, I do not know if there are any records, or where they might be held if there are any, for the employees of Harland & Woolfe. Many thanks Stephen New Zealand

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You may have noticed that you have been unsubscribed. Do not return. Your comments are not welcome. People like you who hide behind a Hotmail account make me sick. Dave Jassie - List Administrator Why not visit 'Gen-Links' - http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~jassie/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Harland & Woolfe/Weir > > Look yourself, sick of all this shit > -------Original Message------- > > From: [email protected] > Date: 19 September 2005 20:43:48 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BELFAST] Harland & Woolfe/Weir > > Hello > > I am trying to trace a Benjamin Weir (born Carlow, 1885), married a > Florrie > Flood anad worked at Harland & Woolfe as an electrical engineer. > > I have no further information and have been unable to find a death or > marriage in the GRO indexes. > > If anyone can suggest further avenues of research, I would be grateful. > For > example, I do not know if there are any records, or where they might be > held > if there are any, for the employees of Harland & Woolfe. > > > Many thanks > Stephen > New Zealand > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > The 'Subject' line of your e-mail will be the first thing others see, so > make it stand out and relevant to your post. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > ALWAYS ensure your anti-virus software is kept up-to-date. > NEVER open an attachment until you are positive it is safe. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

The Public Records Office in Belfast have some of the old records from Harland and Wolfe. Have you tried them. Eddie --- "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Look yourself, sick of all this shit > -------Original Message------- > > From: [email protected] > Date: 19 September 2005 20:43:48 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BELFAST] Harland & Woolfe/Weir > > Hello > > I am trying to trace a Benjamin Weir (born Carlow, > 1885), married a Florrie > Flood anad worked at Harland & Woolfe as an > electrical engineer. > > I have no further information and have been unable > to find a death or > marriage in the GRO indexes. > > If anyone can suggest further avenues of research, I > would be grateful. For > example, I do not know if there are any records, or > where they might be held > if there are any, for the employees of Harland & > Woolfe. > > > Many thanks > Stephen > New Zealand > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > The 'Subject' line of your e-mail will be the first > thing others see, so > make it stand out and relevant to your post. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death > Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > ALWAYS ensure your anti-virus software is kept > up-to-date. > NEVER open an attachment until you are positive it > is safe. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million > records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

My Belfast interests: Greer - Reid Bill - Harvey Harvey - Todd Wilson - Bill Wilson - Heron Greer - Wilson Greer - Steele Areas of interest in Belfast are Oldpark, Legional, Shankill, Ballysillan. Stella Chestnut Cambridge New Zealand

Look yourself, sick of all this shit -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: 19 September 2005 20:43:48 To: [email protected] Subject: [BELFAST] Harland & Woolfe/Weir Hello I am trying to trace a Benjamin Weir (born Carlow, 1885), married a Florrie Flood anad worked at Harland & Woolfe as an electrical engineer. I have no further information and have been unable to find a death or marriage in the GRO indexes. If anyone can suggest further avenues of research, I would be grateful. For example, I do not know if there are any records, or where they might be held if there are any, for the employees of Harland & Woolfe. Many thanks Stephen New Zealand ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== The 'Subject' line of your e-mail will be the first thing others see, so make it stand out and relevant to your post. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Stephen, The children I was talking about: Their parents were Irish, and other children in the family were born in Ireland as well. Two were born in Scotland. In my own family I was unable to find my g-grandparents family in Belfast for the 1901 and was unwilling to check all the rolls of film looking for them. All the members of the family were born in Belfast. To my relief when the 1901 for England came out, the family were in Liverpool and I located them there. We also have an elderly family friend who was born in NI, as were her parents, but she spent a number of her childhood years in Scotland. Can't hurt to check. Andy Airriess

On behalf of all other listers, I'd like to apologize for the previous remark. Martinatlurgan must be having a bad day. Have you checked Scottish marriages? Just last week I found a couple of children born in Scotland when no record of their birth could be found in Ireland. Andy Airriess

Maureen, I would also think that the Belfast O'Preys are probably interconnected. Whereabouts are you from yourself? Are any of your O'Preys connected to Brown or Doherty families? I came across these notices today, which included an O'Prey. Irish News 22 Feb 1904: Birth: GENIN: February 14, at 6 Alexandra Mansions, Willesden Green, London,the wife of Leonard J Genin, of a son. Marriage: JENNINGS - SHIEL: February 16, at Woodford, County Galway, by the Rev. Father Bowes, P.P, P.C. Jennings, second son of John Jennings, Esq. Derrymullen, Ballinasloe, to Mollie, daughter of Michael Shiel, Esq. Woodford, County Galway. Deaths: CUDDIHY: February 18, at Park View, Carrick-on-Suir, Mary, widow of the late Joseph Cuddihy. HAUGHEY: February21, at 21 Glasgow Street, Shore Road, Ellen, beloved wife of Patrick Haughey, and youngest daughter of the late Daniel Magee, Bal****acward(?).-R.I.P. [Her remains will be removed from above address, at 8.45 am to-morrow(Tuesday) morning, for train per B.and N.C.R., at 9.45, to Cookstown, and thence to Lissan Catholic Burying ground.] O'DONNELL: February 7, Vida Elizabeth, wife of J.J.O'Connell, L.R.C.P., and S.I., 65 Judd Street, Brunswick Square, London, W.C, aged 28 years. O'PREY: At his brother's residence, 68 Fleet Street, Belfast, Robert O'Prey, aged 25 years, youngeest son of the late Henry and Roseann O'Prey. R.I.P.[The remins of my beloved brother will be removed from above address, for interment in ,Milltown R.C. Cemetery today, at one o'clock pm. Americanpapers please copy]. William O'Prey. SMITH: February 20, Walter Smith, formerly of Lisburn. R.I.P.[Funeral private]. Mary Anne Douay. [email protected] wrote: Good morning, I was so surprised to see your reply yesterday as its been stalemate with me for some time... There is a biggish connection of O'Preys in Belfast, from the Dock area, in my golf club there is Raymond and Veronica O'Prey, a lovely couple but again they are Dock.....when I see Raymond I say he maybe my nearly cousin but dont think so...There are many many Murrays around Darragh, I recall Bridget, Margaret, Rose.........For now....Maureen --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

Good morning, I was so surprised to see your reply yesterday as its been stalemate with me for some time. There is a biggish connection of O'Preys in Belfast, from the Dock area, in my golf club there is Raymond and Veronica O'Prey, a lovely couple but again they are Dock.....when I see Raymond I say he maybe my nearly cousin but dont think so. There are many many Murrays around Darragh, I recall Bridget, Margaret, Rose.........For now....Maureen

Jean, have you ever received any info on Lynn Memorial in Belfast? My folks met there while singing in the choir. Elise Snoddy Klug

Al; The full legal age for marriage was 21 years of age. If the party marrying was that age or over more often than not the word "Full" would be put in the "Age" column. If the person were not 21 or older the actual age would always be placed in that column. Having looked at hundreds of marriage registrations I've never seen one below 16 with the majority of the underages being 18,19, or 20. And my impresson is that no more than 5% of those i reviewed were under full legal age. Hope this helps. Dick Dunlap ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Valentine" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages > Thanks Dougie, > I still need to know if the legal age to be married at the time was 18, > 16, > or 12 or some other age. That would determine what then would be called > "under age". > Al > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dougie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages > > >> hi >> full age is 21 or over >> regards >> Dougie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Al Valentine" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:58 PM >> Subject: [BELFAST] Marriage Ages >> >> >> > Belfast Listers >> > >> > I have two questions and please don't laugh. I have my great >> > grandfather's wedding certificate from 1858 that states his age as >> > Full. >> > How old do you have to be to qualify as full? >> > Here is the kicker, my great grandmother is listed as under age.How > young >> > do you have to be to be listed as under age? They went on to raise ten >> > children. >> > The answers may be of interest to others on the list. >> > Al Valentine >> > >> > >> > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== >> > Comments, suggestions and criticisms regarding list matters should be > sent >> > privately to the List Administrator at ~ >> > [email protected] >> > >> > ============================== >> > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.23/99 - Release Date: > 12/09/2005 >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.23/99 - Release Date: >> 12/09/2005 >> >> >> ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget to visit the IRL-BELFAST-CITY Website at ~ >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jassie/belfast/index.html >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ==== IRL-BELFAST-CITY Mailing List ==== > The list archives can be searched or browsed at ~ > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-BELFAST-CITY.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

Church Photos on my web site at the link below. Alternatively type Jean McCarthy into the Google search engine for a direct link. I have started a page of miscellaneous church photographs sent to me from all the kind fellow genealogists around the world. The first two photos (and only ones so far) on this page are of Trinity Church Belfast. They were kindly sent to me by Joan in Canada. Actually they are not photographs but seem to be drawings. It is wonderful to receive these images as photographs are not possible any more. Joan tells me that the church was destroyed in the 1940's. Presumably it was destroyed in the Blitz of Belfast in World War II. I expect confirmation of this shortly. Thank you so very much indeed Joan for sharing these wonderful pictures with us all. A fellow lister asked for a photograph of Broughshane First Presbyterian church which I have not got yet. Another kind lister sent a web site address which has the photograph that the first lister was looking for. I have written to the web site owner to ask permission to put the photographs of this church onto my web site. I will let you all know if and when I get a favourable reply. Kind Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore. Staffordshire, England. My own main names of interest: MOORE, (Ireland, Canada & Australia) BOWDEN, (Ireland, New Zealand, Tasmania & Australia) HAWTHORNE. (Ireland and Pennsylvania) In Co Down, Co Armagh & Co Antrim Ireland: McCALLISTER, McAULEY, FLINN, STRAIN, SPRATT, McCLENAGHAN & KENNEDY. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/

Hello Brian, Cant believe my eyes. I have Daniel Murray, my gGran born approx 1841, parents possibly Daniel/Margaret Carrickmannon My Henry O'Prey married Alice McLaughlin 1853. My Ggran was Sexton of Carrickmannon Chapel, his son Robert Burns married Mary Anne O'Prey in 1874. I also have Miskelly, Flynn, McCormick and McRoberts (who had the small Pub in Saintfield) There were Murray cousins in Raffrey, as far as I know they were Builders .This is rather disjointed as I am in a tizzy......Maureen

As I am a halt in my research can anyone help with the above Co Down and Belfast names, Carrickmannon, Darragh Cross and Raffrey and Belfast, I would appreciate any help. Maureen

Maureen, Sarah Annes father was Patrick Murray, farmer.The witnesses to her marriage to John Savage, were John Murray and Sarah Mulholland. The wedding itself took place in St Matthews Belfast, 1 May 1879. However, they must have moved back to Edendarrif, as I found her there in 1901 Census, and just recently I found Sarahs obit in the paper, which stated she died Jan 27 1917, Edendarrif. I have'nt much on O'Prey at the moment, but know that there were some in Belfast. I will check through my stuff, as I think I kept notes on any I came across. Slan Bria [email protected] wrote: Hello Brian, Cant believe my eyes. I have Daniel Murray, my gGran born approx 1841, parents possibly Daniel/Margaret Carrickmannon My Henry O'Prey married Alice McLaughlin 1853. My Ggran was Sexton of Carrickmannon Chapel, his son Robert Burns married Mary Anne O'Prey in 1874. I also have Miskelly, Flynn, McCormick and McRoberts (who had the small Pub in Saintfield) There were Murray cousins in Raffrey, as far as I know they were Builders .This is rather disjointed as I am in a tizzy......Maureen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I have a marriage certificate which I got a while ago while researching my Agnew connection. I dont think this is connected to me but in case someone else might find it useful, here are the details: Marriage solemnized at the Registry Office in the town of Belfast in the District of Belfast, May 7th 1853. Arthur Agnew, aged 21, Bachelor, Labourer. Living in townland of Ballyvessey, Parish of Carnmoney. Fathers name, Isaiah Agnew, Labourer. Ann McCarther, aged 22, Spinster,living in townland of Carnavee(?), Parish of Ballymartin(?), father James McCarther, Labourer. Both Arthur and Ann made their 'mark', and the witnesses were Samuel McMeekin and Mary Craig(who also made her mark). Registar was William McComb. My interest in Agnew comes via my ggmother Esther (Essie) Agnew who married Hugh Magee, Belfast in 1890. Hugh was living at 52 Wall St, Belfast, and his father John was deceased. Esther was living at 22 Bow St, Belfast, and her father Arthur Agnew was also deceased. Witnesses were John Walsh and Eliza Walsh. I think Esther may have been living with the Walshs or there may have been a family connection. Is any one out there connected to either Agnew or Magee families? Many thanks. Brian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com