Don't take this too seriously... apologies to the list and list owner My Parents and grand parents said "Scots are the people, Scotch is a drink" Not so long ago I was sent in Prestwick by locals including my Great Aunt born 1881 (died aged 105) to buy Mutton Pies from the butchers. She was the Cook the the Earl of Lindsay at Kilconquhar in Fife, and also previously to Lord David Stewart in Rothesay. This is reputedly where I was named after "Lindsay" Mysteriously over the years these pies have become 'Scotch Pies', now they are available in England too, but called this even in Scotland. Thank goodness there is no "Scotch' in them as I hate Whisky. So I take great pleasure going into the butchers and asking for 'Mutton Pies' and them not knowing what they are, or asking them "is there Scotch in those scotch pies?" Of course today most ordinary folk in Scotland just call them "pies" nowadays as it is hard to determine what's in them except the hot fat that runs down your arm when your eating one in a football ground. Have a look in Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_%28disambiguation%29 Lindsay Young -----Original Message----- From: ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ayrshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lowlandscot@aol.com Sent: 10 February 2007 18:11 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com; ayrshire@rootsweb.com; BOYD@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AYR] Scots and Scotch In a message dated 10/02/2007 14:56:29 GMT Standard Time, moments-in-time@houston.rr.com writes: I used to take this position too with a rather hard-headedness until I was "historically corrected". Going back through the literature into the 1600's -1800's the "Scots" were most often referred to as "Scotch". I think the crunch is in the words 'referred to' The Scots didn't call themselves Scotch ..others did...and the Scots found it irritating long before genealogy became popular. Historically names for people of other nationalities and colour are rarely anything other than derogatory so shouldn't be revived. Irene ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AYRSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message