Since they were born in Scotland, can we assume they were Scots the nationality and not Scotch the whiskey? One of my ancestors I know of came to Ireland from Scotland and in his writing he said they were Scots. Thanks for clarifying the oft abused term Scotch. Don Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com>; <ayrshire@rootsweb.com>; <BOYD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:32 PM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Thomas Boyd and Mary Miller of Kilmarnock, Ayrshire > Whole the IGI says that the 14 children were born in Kilmanrock, the > records > from the USA said that the family moved to County Antrim before going to > Albany, in New York State in the spring of 1762. > > 2/138 BOYD OF ALBANY, NY* > > The origins of this family stems from John Boyd who was born in the North > of > Ireland in 1725 of Scotch parentage. (I assume from this comment that his > parents were born in Scotland and moved to Ireland prior to John's birth.) > He was the emigrant ancestor and founder of one of the Albany, New York, > families of that name (Boyd). > > Unfortunately this source does not say how many other Boyd families there > were in Albany but does mention another family who came direct from > Scotland > in 1774, James and Jane Boyd. [NEED TO LIST AS SEPARATE FAMILY CHAPTER - > 3/163] These called the Scotch Boyds while John's family were the Irish > Boyds. In the spring of 1762 John Boyd with his wife Ann Logan and three > children, came to Albany, New York. > > There is a well founded belief that he was one of the Kilmarnock family of > Boyd, descended from a branch that settled in Antrim County, Ireland. Many > family characteristics and traditions testify to this, also the fact that > he > used as his seal the coat of arms of the Kilmarnock Boyds, his descendants > continuing the use of the same to the present time (1912). (This would > appear to be the third family to have a seal of the Kilmarnock family.) > > The following are the possible parents and siblings of John Boyd (R1) > which > came from Doug Brown, USA. > > "Following is my list for the children of Thomas Boyd and Mary Millar > taken > from Scottish Church Records 2.00 at the local LDS church: > > 1. Robert Boyd 1722 Ayr > > 2. Agnes Boyd 1724 Ayr > > 3. John Boyd 1725 Ayr [assumed that this is R1 below from W. P. Boyd's > listing] > > 4. Margaret Boyd 1727 Ayr > > 5. Mary Boyd 1729 Ayr > > 6. Jean Boyd 1731 Ayr > > 7. Thomas Boyd 1733 Ayr > > 8. William Boyd 1735 Ayr > > 9. Hugh Boyd 1738 Ayr > > 10. Anna Boyd 1741 Ayr" > > The International Genealogical Index for the United Kingdom has the > following information on these children for Thomas Boyd and Mary > Miller/Millar. [For ease of setting out I will number these children above > their names.] > > R1 > > Robert Boyd b /7/1722 at Kilmarnock to Thomas Boyd and Mary Miller. > > R2 > > Agnes BOYD (F)............ B: 28 Dec 1723 B: 1 Oct 1946 Ba: 7005510 62 > > Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 11 Dec 1946 ALBER So: > 538352 > > Mother: Mary MILLER SP: 6 Mar 1947 LOGAN > > R3 > > John BOYD (M)............. B: 25 Nov 1725 B: 1 Oct 1946 Ba: 7005510 62 > > Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 7 Nov 1946 ALBER So: > 538352 > > Mother: Mary MILLER SP: 6 Mar 1947 LOGAN > > R4 > > Margaret BOYD (F).......... B: 30 Mar 1727 B: 1 Oct 1945 Ba: 7005510 63 > > Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 11 Dec 1946 ALBER So: > 538352 > > Mother: Mary MILLER SP: 6 Mar 1947 LOGAN > > R5 > > Mary Boyd b 7/6/1729 at Kilmarnock to Thomas Boyd and Mary Miller. > > R6 > > Jean BOYD (F).......... B: 2 Aug 1731 B: 20 Jul 1963 F#: 452941 @ > > Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 11 Jun 1964 LANGE > > Mother: Mary MILLER SP: Pre-1970 O#: 31856 > > Jean BOYD (F)........... B: 2 Aug 1731 B: 20 Jul 1963 Ba: 7005510 63 > > Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 11 Jun 1964 LANGE So: > 538352 > > Mother: Mary MILLER SP: 21 Oct 1965 SLAKE > > R7 > > Elizabeth BOYD (F)........ B: 13 Mar 1733 B: 5 Dec 1970 LANGE Ba: 7005510 > 64 > > Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 29 Apr 1971 LANGE So: > 538352 > > Mother: Mary MILLER SP: 6 Jan 1972 LANGE > > R8 > > Thomas Boyd, C 10/3/1733 at Kilmarnock, F Thomas Boyd, M Mary Miller > > Thomas Boyd, C 18/3/1733 at Kilmarnock, F Thomas Boyd, M Mary Millar > > [IT WOULD APPEAR THAT ELIZABETH AND THOMAS WERE TWINS] > > R9 > > William Boyd, B 3/1/1735 at Kilmarnock, F Thoams Boyd, M Mary Miller > > R10 > > Hugh BOYD (M)............ B: 29 Jan 1738 B: 16 Jan 1971 LANGE Ba: 7005510 > 64 > > Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 17 Jun 1971 LANGE So: > 538352 > > Mother: Mary MILLER SP: 11 Jan 1972 LANGE > > R11 > > Mary Boyd, B 10/6/1738 at Kilmarnock, F Thomas Boyd, M Mary Miller > > [THERE WOULD APPEAR TO BE A CONFLICT WITH DATES FOR THE ABOVE TWO > CHILDREN] - This could be a twin to Hugh, with the wrong dates, and would > also suggest that the first Mary (R5) had died before 1736. [ARE CEMETERY > RECORDS AVAILABLE FOR KILMARNOCK TO PROVE THIS?] > > R12 > > Anna BOYD (F)........... B: 12 Mar 1741 B: 20 Jul 1963 F#: 452941 @ > > Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 19 Jun 1964 LANGE > > Mother: Mary MILLER SP: Pre-1970 O#: 31815 > > Anna BOYD (F)............ B: 1 Mar 1741 B: 5 Dec 1970 LANGE Ba: 7005510 65 > > Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 29 Apr 1971 LANGE So: > 538352 > > Mother: Mary MILLER SP: 6 Jan 1972 LANGE > > Anna BOYD (F)............ C: 15 Mar 1741 B: 20 Jul 1963 Ba: C115974 > > Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 19 Jun 1964 LANGE So: > 1041385, 1041386 > > Mother: Mary MILLAR SP: 21 Oct 1965 SLAKE Pr: 6900234 > > The children between A and Margaret came from the 1994 IGI for the UK, > while > the others came from a hard copy I have of the 1981 IGI for Scotland. > > As I have not yet copied the 1994 IGI for the UK beyond Margaret, I can't > check to see what entries are there for the marriage of Thomas Boyd and > Mary > Miller. From the 1981 IGI for Scotland it has 2 entries at Kilmarnock, > Ayrshire, for the marriage of Thomas and Mary which are:- > > (i) Thomas Boyd married Mary Miller 3 August 1721 > > (ii) Thomas Boyd married Mary Millar 30 August 1721 > >>From the 1981 IGI for Scotland there are eight Thomas Boyd's born between > 1690 and 1700 at Kilmarnock (that is assuming he was born there) [SHOULD I > LIST ALL THESE?] > > On the THEORY that Thomas's eldest son (Robert - R1 - see above) was > called > after his grandfather, ie Thomas's father, you would expect Thomas's > father > to be called Robert. In the list of birth's for Kilmarnock there are three > such candidates for this Robert which are:- > > (i) Thomas Boyd, born to Robert Boyd and Elizabeth Aird, on 24 November > 1700 > at Kilmarnock. > > (ii) Thomas Boyd, bapt. to Robert Boyd and Margaret Connel, on 20 May 1695 > at Kilmarnock. > > (iii) Thomas Boyd, bapt. to Robert Boyd and Jean Connell, on 9 May 1695 at > Kilmarnock. > > Elizabeth Aird was married in 1692 at Kilmarnock > > Margaret Connell there are 4 entries between 1689 and 1691 all at > Kilmarnock > > I could not see a marriage for a Jean Connel, although in the 1670's > children were born to a James Boyd and Janet Connell > > Does anyone know of the origns of this family of Thomas Boyd born in the > early 1700's. > > > > Secondly, did any members of the familystay in County Antrim. If so > where? > > > > Thank you > > > > Mike Boyd > > Historical Committee, HBS > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Well, I'll toss my 2 cents worth into the fray. I used to take this position too with a rather hard-headedness until I was "historically corrected". Going back through the literature into the 1600's -1800's the "Scots" were most often referred to as "Scotch". Indeed, the differentiation that many of us today prefer (Scots = person/nationality, Scotch = liquor) didn't come into much use until just recently (last 50 years in particular) with the interest in genealogy and people wanting/demanding to differentiate between the two. My response to the Englishman correcting me was that languages are living and changing entities and that as such I would prefer to allow the language to evolve and to make the distinction. After all, we don't live in 1607 - it's 2007! Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donal O'Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com>; <ayrshire@rootsweb.com>; <BOYD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Thomas Boyd and Mary Miller of Kilmarnock, Ayrshire > Since they were born in Scotland, can we assume they were Scots the > nationality and not Scotch the whiskey? > > One of my ancestors I know of came to Ireland from Scotland and in his > writing he said they were Scots. > > Thanks for clarifying the oft abused term Scotch. > > Don Kelly > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com>; <ayrshire@rootsweb.com>; > <BOYD@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:32 PM > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Thomas Boyd and Mary Miller of Kilmarnock, Ayrshire > > >> Whole the IGI says that the 14 children were born in Kilmanrock, the >> records >> from the USA said that the family moved to County Antrim before going to >> Albany, in New York State in the spring of 1762. >> >> 2/138 BOYD OF ALBANY, NY* >> >> The origins of this family stems from John Boyd who was born in the North >> of >> Ireland in 1725 of Scotch parentage. (I assume from this comment that his >> parents were born in Scotland and moved to Ireland prior to John's >> birth.) >> He was the emigrant ancestor and founder of one of the Albany, New York, >> families of that name (Boyd). >> >> Unfortunately this source does not say how many other Boyd families there >> were in Albany but does mention another family who came direct from >> Scotland >> in 1774, James and Jane Boyd. [NEED TO LIST AS SEPARATE FAMILY CHAPTER - >> 3/163] These called the Scotch Boyds while John's family were the Irish >> Boyds. In the spring of 1762 John Boyd with his wife Ann Logan and three >> children, came to Albany, New York. >> >> There is a well founded belief that he was one of the Kilmarnock family >> of >> Boyd, descended from a branch that settled in Antrim County, Ireland. >> Many >> family characteristics and traditions testify to this, also the fact that >> he >> used as his seal the coat of arms of the Kilmarnock Boyds, his >> descendants >> continuing the use of the same to the present time (1912). (This would >> appear to be the third family to have a seal of the Kilmarnock family.) >> >> The following are the possible parents and siblings of John Boyd (R1) >> which >> came from Doug Brown, USA. >> >> "Following is my list for the children of Thomas Boyd and Mary Millar >> taken >> from Scottish Church Records 2.00 at the local LDS church: >> >> 1. Robert Boyd 1722 Ayr >> >> 2. Agnes Boyd 1724 Ayr >> >> 3. John Boyd 1725 Ayr [assumed that this is R1 below from W. P. Boyd's >> listing] >> >> 4. Margaret Boyd 1727 Ayr >> >> 5. Mary Boyd 1729 Ayr >> >> 6. Jean Boyd 1731 Ayr >> >> 7. Thomas Boyd 1733 Ayr >> >> 8. William Boyd 1735 Ayr >> >> 9. Hugh Boyd 1738 Ayr >> >> 10. Anna Boyd 1741 Ayr" >> >> The International Genealogical Index for the United Kingdom has the >> following information on these children for Thomas Boyd and Mary >> Miller/Millar. [For ease of setting out I will number these children >> above >> their names.] >> >> R1 >> >> Robert Boyd b /7/1722 at Kilmarnock to Thomas Boyd and Mary Miller. >> >> R2 >> >> Agnes BOYD (F)............ B: 28 Dec 1723 B: 1 Oct 1946 Ba: 7005510 62 >> >> Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 11 Dec 1946 ALBER So: >> 538352 >> >> Mother: Mary MILLER SP: 6 Mar 1947 LOGAN >> >> R3 >> >> John BOYD (M)............. B: 25 Nov 1725 B: 1 Oct 1946 Ba: 7005510 62 >> >> Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 7 Nov 1946 ALBER So: >> 538352 >> >> Mother: Mary MILLER SP: 6 Mar 1947 LOGAN >> >> R4 >> >> Margaret BOYD (F).......... B: 30 Mar 1727 B: 1 Oct 1945 Ba: 7005510 63 >> >> Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 11 Dec 1946 ALBER So: >> 538352 >> >> Mother: Mary MILLER SP: 6 Mar 1947 LOGAN >> >> R5 >> >> Mary Boyd b 7/6/1729 at Kilmarnock to Thomas Boyd and Mary Miller. >> >> R6 >> >> Jean BOYD (F).......... B: 2 Aug 1731 B: 20 Jul 1963 F#: 452941 @ >> >> Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 11 Jun 1964 LANGE >> >> Mother: Mary MILLER SP: Pre-1970 O#: 31856 >> >> Jean BOYD (F)........... B: 2 Aug 1731 B: 20 Jul 1963 Ba: 7005510 63 >> >> Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 11 Jun 1964 LANGE So: >> 538352 >> >> Mother: Mary MILLER SP: 21 Oct 1965 SLAKE >> >> R7 >> >> Elizabeth BOYD (F)........ B: 13 Mar 1733 B: 5 Dec 1970 LANGE Ba: 7005510 >> 64 >> >> Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 29 Apr 1971 LANGE So: >> 538352 >> >> Mother: Mary MILLER SP: 6 Jan 1972 LANGE >> >> R8 >> >> Thomas Boyd, C 10/3/1733 at Kilmarnock, F Thomas Boyd, M Mary Miller >> >> Thomas Boyd, C 18/3/1733 at Kilmarnock, F Thomas Boyd, M Mary Millar >> >> [IT WOULD APPEAR THAT ELIZABETH AND THOMAS WERE TWINS] >> >> R9 >> >> William Boyd, B 3/1/1735 at Kilmarnock, F Thoams Boyd, M Mary Miller >> >> R10 >> >> Hugh BOYD (M)............ B: 29 Jan 1738 B: 16 Jan 1971 LANGE Ba: 7005510 >> 64 >> >> Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 17 Jun 1971 LANGE So: >> 538352 >> >> Mother: Mary MILLER SP: 11 Jan 1972 LANGE >> >> R11 >> >> Mary Boyd, B 10/6/1738 at Kilmarnock, F Thomas Boyd, M Mary Miller >> >> [THERE WOULD APPEAR TO BE A CONFLICT WITH DATES FOR THE ABOVE TWO >> CHILDREN] - This could be a twin to Hugh, with the wrong dates, and would >> also suggest that the first Mary (R5) had died before 1736. [ARE CEMETERY >> RECORDS AVAILABLE FOR KILMARNOCK TO PROVE THIS?] >> >> R12 >> >> Anna BOYD (F)........... B: 12 Mar 1741 B: 20 Jul 1963 F#: 452941 @ >> >> Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 19 Jun 1964 LANGE >> >> Mother: Mary MILLER SP: Pre-1970 O#: 31815 >> >> Anna BOYD (F)............ B: 1 Mar 1741 B: 5 Dec 1970 LANGE Ba: 7005510 >> 65 >> >> Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 29 Apr 1971 LANGE So: >> 538352 >> >> Mother: Mary MILLER SP: 6 Jan 1972 LANGE >> >> Anna BOYD (F)............ C: 15 Mar 1741 B: 20 Jul 1963 Ba: C115974 >> >> Father: Thomas BOYD Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland E: 19 Jun 1964 LANGE So: >> 1041385, 1041386 >> >> Mother: Mary MILLAR SP: 21 Oct 1965 SLAKE Pr: 6900234 >> >> The children between A and Margaret came from the 1994 IGI for the UK, >> while >> the others came from a hard copy I have of the 1981 IGI for Scotland. >> >> As I have not yet copied the 1994 IGI for the UK beyond Margaret, I can't >> check to see what entries are there for the marriage of Thomas Boyd and >> Mary >> Miller. From the 1981 IGI for Scotland it has 2 entries at Kilmarnock, >> Ayrshire, for the marriage of Thomas and Mary which are:- >> >> (i) Thomas Boyd married Mary Miller 3 August 1721 >> >> (ii) Thomas Boyd married Mary Millar 30 August 1721 >> >>>From the 1981 IGI for Scotland there are eight Thomas Boyd's born between >> 1690 and 1700 at Kilmarnock (that is assuming he was born there) [SHOULD >> I >> LIST ALL THESE?] >> >> On the THEORY that Thomas's eldest son (Robert - R1 - see above) was >> called >> after his grandfather, ie Thomas's father, you would expect Thomas's >> father >> to be called Robert. In the list of birth's for Kilmarnock there are >> three >> such candidates for this Robert which are:- >> >> (i) Thomas Boyd, born to Robert Boyd and Elizabeth Aird, on 24 November >> 1700 >> at Kilmarnock. >> >> (ii) Thomas Boyd, bapt. to Robert Boyd and Margaret Connel, on 20 May >> 1695 >> at Kilmarnock. >> >> (iii) Thomas Boyd, bapt. to Robert Boyd and Jean Connell, on 9 May 1695 >> at >> Kilmarnock. >> >> Elizabeth Aird was married in 1692 at Kilmarnock >> >> Margaret Connell there are 4 entries between 1689 and 1691 all at >> Kilmarnock >> >> I could not see a marriage for a Jean Connel, although in the 1670's >> children were born to a James Boyd and Janet Connell >> >> Does anyone know of the origns of this family of Thomas Boyd born in the >> early 1700's. >> >> >> >> Secondly, did any members of the familystay in County Antrim. If so >> where? >> >> >> >> Thank you >> >> >> >> Mike Boyd >> >> Historical Committee, HBS >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Don You are quite correct. This is quoted form someone else work, so I had to go with what they wrote. I suppose that I should have made a footnote that he wrong term was used. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donal O'Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com>; <ayrshire@rootsweb.com>; <BOYD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Thomas Boyd and Mary Miller of Kilmarnock, Ayrshire > Since they were born in Scotland, can we assume they were Scots the > nationality and not Scotch the whiskey? > > One of my ancestors I know of came to Ireland from Scotland and in his > writing he said they were Scots. > > Thanks for clarifying the oft abused term Scotch. > > Don Kelly >