Dear All on the list, I've been researching my Irish Ancestors in Australia and am needing some new thoughts or hints, hence my email. Until recently, I thought my GG Grandfather was James Oliver born in Crum(b)lin, Antrim, Ireland in about 1847. BUT, He has turned out to be far more complicated. His real name is James Oliver Bryans - unfortunately I can't find his arrival in Australia but according to his death certificate, he would have arrived in Australia about 1865 age 17. I found a brother who arrived in January 1863 - who used the name William Oliver Bryans - they don't seem to have been in contact. I'm a bit confused why my GG would have dropped the Bryans from his name. Could this be because he was just called James Oliver - and it stuck?...I've heard it is an Irish "custom" or trend to call people by their first two names. Is this a possibility? Of course he may have just been hiding and didn't want anyone to know his real name. How difficult is it to access Church Records for baptism or christening records? His parents were William Bryans and Mary Coburn according to his marriage certificate. He married Church of England in Australia, so I am unsure of his religion...his brother married in an Anglican church. Look forward to reading your thoughts. He has been a tricky character! Any help or thoughts will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in anticipation. Su Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline

Su I don't know where you are in Australia, but you should look for Anglican Archives. I visited the Anglican Archives in Brisbane some years ago, and was able to find relevant baptisms. The good thing was they also included dates of birth, a bonus when the births were not in the Index. Bev Su wrote> > How difficult is it to access Church Records for baptism or christening > records? His parents were William Bryans and Mary Coburn according to his > marriage certificate. He married Church of England in Australia, so I am > unsure of his religion...his brother married in an Anglican church.

Suze Where in Australia did your James Oliver die? Do you know if he remained in the same State from his arrivial? I think you may find websites from each of the State Archives on passengers arriving INTO their State. I would try Western Australia and Queensland first. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suze Brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Oliver Bryans - Australia > Dear All on the list, > > I've been researching my Irish Ancestors in Australia and am needing some > new thoughts or hints, hence my email. Until recently, I thought my GG > Grandfather was James Oliver born in Crum(b)lin, Antrim, Ireland in about > 1847. BUT, He has turned out to be far more complicated. His real name > is James Oliver Bryans - unfortunately I can't find his arrival in > Australia but according to his death certificate, he would have arrived in > Australia about 1865 age 17. I found a brother who arrived in January > 1863 - who used the name William Oliver Bryans - they don't seem to have > been in contact. > > I'm a bit confused why my GG would have dropped the Bryans from his name. > Could this be because he was just called James Oliver - and it > stuck?...I've heard it is an Irish "custom" or trend to call people by > their first two names. Is this a possibility? Of course he may have just > been hiding and didn't want anyone to know his real name. > > How difficult is it to access Church Records for baptism or christening > records? His parents were William Bryans and Mary Coburn according to his > marriage certificate. He married Church of England in Australia, so I am > unsure of his religion...his brother married in an Anglican church. > > Look forward to reading your thoughts. He has been a tricky character! > > Any help or thoughts will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in > anticipation. > > Su > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now > http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message